A thread for former Christians.

Correction....it was not about Agnostics, but Gnostics. But I think you already knew that. I plan to watch more.

Last Edited by zip50 on 09/11/2013 01:27 PM

The whole story falls apart under scrutiny. For years I didn't allow myself to truly question what I believed out of fear because "who can know the mind of God?" and "God works in mysterious ways". As if it's a sin to expect god's actions to be logical in any way.

There are too many to go into detail here since I'm supposed to be working right now anyway, but... For instance, why blood sacrifice to atone for sins? Why does he require that? Even before Jesus was crucified Yahweh preferred blood sacrifice as opposed to what Cain had offered.

Is it ridiculous to think that an all powerful god can simply CHOOSE to forgive sins if he so desires without the need to kill his own son? He setup the system right? Is blood sacrifice a rule/requirement that exists outside of God that he is a slave to? Of course not, so he must have created that system. What kind of sick sadistic asshole would implement such a system?

I love the way your mind works. Great questions! I appreciate your input. Maybe when you get off of work you could add to that list. What you listed has also occurred to me. Thank you!

Archeological evidence suggests something quite sinister happened about 6,000 years ago. That's when the patriarch system hijacked the world and has plunged us into ever more hatred and warfare. Prior to that there was a matriarch system and the world lived in peace. There are now several "digs" that seem to suggest the same thing. Here's just one of them;

[link to quest4nexus.com]

The killing spree just doesn't seem to ever come to an end. And what was this outright hatred for women?

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I was always reminded to "never question the word of God." I used to accept that till one day I said to myself - If I'm intelligent enough to have meaningful questions, then I am also entitled to be given meaningful answers. Of course, the answers were never offered by the clergy for good reason.

I have a sneaky suspicion it has something to do with the Sophia myth.

I am a Christian of many years and I hate to see you have decided to worship Satan. I know you don't think you are but he is an angel of light. When you stand in front of God on judgement day and don't have Jesus for your your "attorney" you'll have satan. There is a reason his name means accuser. Have fun but as for me I'll have peace, joy, love, patience, kindness, and the fruits of the spirit.

were you baptized? if so, your still a christian, even if you denounce it

I have never been overly religious but was raised as a Christian. Stopped attending church because the people seemed like hypocrites, including the pastors, who passed around the collection plates several times, were sharply dressed and drove fancy cars while doing little to help the poor. I vowed one day to actually read the bible and figure things out for myself.

15 or so years later, once I started to wake up to the realities and evil things going on in the world, I decided it was time to study the bible and figure out how civilization got on the wrong track.

During my studies I learned that Christian traditions are totally at odd with the scriptures. That lead me to the discovery of how Christianity was corrupted with pagan influences by Constantine and the Roman Catholic Church. Modern Christian traditions, such as keeping Christmas and Easter, as well as Sunday worship, are all pagan, sun-god traditions.

So I no longer claim to be Christian (or any other man-made religious group) because it seems to violate several of the commandments. Instead, I focus on keeping the commandments. This is not to say that I don't believe in Jesus, because I do. I just don't subscribe to man-made religions, especially those that have pagan traditions like modern day Christianity. And Jesus' followers did NOT call themselves Christians, they were Hebrews or Isrealites, and they kept the traditions that God dictated, including Sabbath, Passover, feast of trumpets, feast of first fruits, etc. Not Christmas, not Easter, not Halloween, not Sunday worship, all of which would be considered an abomination in God's eyes.

The bible is filled with stories about people that made God happy and people that displeased God. I try to live my life like the people that made God happy. Those people kept the commandments, respected God's creation (the earth and its inhabitants) and tried to live a holy, set apart life. Still working on the latter but doing my best.

Last Edited by dawnie on 09/11/2013 03:06 PM

Thanks for starting this thread, OP.

I had an awakening in 2008. I describe it has something that happened to me vs. me seeking such. I’ve since come to realize that it is part of my soul journey and I’m so grateful. It’s been a bit of a painful and lonely journey at times, but I’m blissfully content now that I’ve adjusted. I am a voracious student of what consciousness has to teach me.

I remember being dragged to church at 8yrs of age. I had extreme disdain for it at such a tender age and felt that it was completely wrong. I eventually acquiesced and accepted that having religion in my life meant living in fear of hell and trying to mold myself to the faith that so many preached about. It never felt good or right. I never found comfort in Christianity. I eventually set every belief and tradition that I had ever been taught aside and made a commitment to myself. I took time to explore every rabbit hole and question everything I was ever taught knowing full well that I could wrap myself in labels and belief systems when finished if needed after my exploration. I never went back. I shed every tradition and belief in which I had been raised.

My experiences with the universe and the creator have been a joy. Many teachers have been brought into my life including some that don’t dwell in our 3D reality. IMO and experience, religion is a form of fear based control. I won’t bore you with all of the details of my journey, but, there are many of us out here like you.

I attempt at all times to meet others where they are on their journey to consciousness. I have no desire to convert or persuade any soul to my path or convince anyone that my path is the right one. I do not live in fear. I am free.

One more thing: The alien component.

I remember being a child and standing at the edge of my yard at dusk imploring 'them' to come back and get me. Most of us are not from here and starting to awaken to that reality.

FWIW.

The worst thing about being a "Christian" for three decades was the contant "Fear" and the pressure to conform and be a robot.

All I ever heard was "Hell this" and "Doom that" and repetive chantlike "Worship" songs most of which centered aroung what we could "Get" out of God.

"More love..more power..more of you in my life" etc..

"Rain on me fill me" blah blah..

Chanted over and over every sunday.

The hungry stayed hungry and the rich and fat got richer and fatter.

All about "SELF" and doom and hell for everyone else.

One day I decided to see what Jesus said in the bible about it all.

I just stuck to what HE said..not what Paul or anyone else said but that HE said..
And I realised that what was being taught was the opposite of what Jesus taught.

Especially about this high pressure mind numbing "eternal hell" garbage.

Here is what I found..


Jesus did NOT teach "eternal" hell.

In fact he taught the very opposite.

Here is proof.


Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.


Notice he said "TILL" the debt was paid...clearly stating that it COULD and WOULD be paid.

Christians teach it to mean..

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, and even after he should pay all that was due unto him he would never be let out and writhe in torture forever..

And again he said.

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

So what it means is to work things out NOW while you have life and an easy chance to do so.

Otherwise if you dont deal with things now while its "Easy" to do so, you will have to pay for it the hard way.

But notice he still menationed it was "UNTIL" the last farthing was paid, and that he would NOT get out "UNTIL" it was paid in full.

In other words there is a limit to the the price you pay commesurate with what you owed.

But christians teach it like this.


Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, And even after you have paid you will never get out.

They like to teach the exact opposite to what Jesus said.

Its very clear.

How can anyone miss it??

But it sells books and makes money and keeps everyone in contant fear and easlily controlled.

The LAKE OF FIRE is NOT torture..its LOVE!!!!

Like flame melts the coldest of ice the lake of fire will melt and soften even the hardest of hearts.

There you will be surrounded by pure love and holiness.

This would be torment to a dark and evil heart and there they remail till all the evil in them is burt away.

Evil is death. Thats why death gets destroyed in the lake.

It cannot survive pure love.

So those in the lake will face the results of every evil action they ever committed and they will wail and gansh their teeth, as they feel the pain they caused others but not in "Revenge" state as is taught, but in a "Corrective" state.

They will finally understand at last their true state and that they are loved so deeply that they will be ashamed and eventually be purified of all their evil.

Im not talking about the catholic "Purgatory" where they are tortured for tortures sake in sadistic ways.

Its more like they get flooded and saturated by pure love itself and in their final understanding of what Love is they have all their hate and evil burnt out of them.

Because it happens in the PRESENCE of the LAMB (So much for it being a SEPERATION from him)


Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,(WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CORRECTION NOT POITNLESS CRUELTY) which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Death dies because evil dies.

What is left at the end is just themselves...finally repentant and educated in the ways of mercy and love..all their hate and evil destroyed.\

The price they pay for doing things the "Hard" way is they hold themselves in everlasting contempt and shame and are never allowed into the holy city.

The will forever be on the "Outside" looking in.

But in no way screaming in torture forever.

Instead at the end when all is said and done every one of them will bow before their creator and confess "Jesus is Lord" and mean it because to do so they will have "Learnt: rightousness and been granted the Holy Spirit in order to be able to make that confession.

And that confession will be to the "Glory" of the Father.

How can the father get much "Glory" if they are all making that Meaningful heartfelt confession if they arew doing so under torture and duress?

IN the end LOVE wins because it cant LOSE.

It never fails.

And according to scripture..

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

om_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

AND..they CANT make this confession UNLESS..

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

And to HAVE the Holy Ghost requires REPENTANCE..

And therefore ALL who confess this AT the end MUST have God dwelling iN them DUE to repentance..

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In other words they paid the last farthing..have learnt their lesson..have repented and are now able to make this confession and mean it.

Those whose names were not found written in the book of life and had to die the "Second death" were never allowed into the city..

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And after they have paid the last farthing in the lake of the fire of His pure love he will..

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So sorrow and pain and agony and tears HAVE AN END.

Its the opposite of what is taught where they say that those very things will continue on forever in a place sustained BY God.

But at the end even the hardests of sinners will be made whole and have all their tears wiped away.

But they can never enter the city. They were not among the ones who "Took care of busines" on the way to court.

They had to pay it all in full to the last stripe..

And this includes christians who dont do what the Lord asked..they get the SAME punishment as the "Unbeleivers"

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

There is no discrimination made here.

A Christian who treats his fellows badly will get the SAME punishment even if he did "Beleive"

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Notice it didnt say "INFINITE" Stripes but "Many".

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So once again He is clearly saying that there IS AN END and a LIMIT to how one paid their debt and that "Christians" who are ratbags to others get the SAME punishment in the SAME place as the "UNBELEIVERS"...who of course get FEWER stripes because they DID NOT KNOW.

But christians teach it to mean..once again the OPPOSITE

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with INFINITE stripes.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with INFINITE STRIPES as well. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Instead of bashing all of the Christianity and going to different sects, maybe you should seek the true Christianity -> the Orthodox Christianity (majority in Russia, Romania, Greece with Mount Athos, Bulgaria).

Thread: Eastern Orthodox Christianity Miracle

Unbelievable. SMH... Now I have heard it all. You are wrong. Dead wrong.

Beautiful!! Now that sounds a lot like me! I would LOVE more details...no way I would be bored.

Here we go again!! No free will?????

I would like to add something and see if anyone noticed this after leaving Christianity and exploring spirituality.

During my experience, I felt a knowing that I was not separate from the creator but one with the creator. This had a profound and lasting effect on me. Christianity made me feel separate and unworthy and that I had to gain God's approval by good behavior and worship. With Spirituality I feel loved and accepted no matter what. Did anyone else feel this way?

Thank you. Do you mind if I ask what started your awakening?

Yes.

Because as it turns out..god is NOT a self obsessed worship demanding egotistical angry unforgiving heartless torturer with nothing but eternal revenge and spite on hin mind like christianity teaches.

Thats what satan is..NOT God.

"I would like to add something and see if anyone noticed this after leaving Christianity and exploring spirituality.

During my experience, I felt a knowing that I was not separate from the creator but one with the creator. This had a profound and lasting effect on me. Christianity made me feel separate and unworthy and that I had to gain God's approval by good behavior and worship. With Spirituality I feel loved and accepted no matter what. Did anyone else feel this way?"
Quoting: zip50


Yes! Most definitely.

Yes.

How long ago did you have this experience (if you don't mind me asking)?

Concious Seeker, to quote a post properly just go to the post in question and in the upper right hand corner of the post box, just click on that first little icon that looks like a circle with 3 dots inside.

Ah! Merci.

It was around 5 years ago. I had been working on taming my ego and shutting up the constant inner chatter in my head. I was learning to live in the present moment. That alone had a great calming effect on me. One day I was driving down the road and had an overwhelming good feeling. It came out of nowhere. The thought came to my mind that I am one with my creator, not separate. I can't explain this in words adequately but I KNEW it was true. Not a "HMMM I wonder" I KNEW it to the very core. I knew at the moment everything was fine, that I had nothing to worry about anymore.
And, my friend, as you know, I have had a couple of rough years lately. But I am learning from it and turning it into a positive experience. I know it is just a part of life and learning lessons.
So, is your experience at all close to mine?

Weirdest part of all - it was a dream or at least that's the best explanation I can come up with. All I know is I woke up very early the next morning and started frantically trying to find the truth. It didn't start with religion - that came later. I was always a news junkie but was a sheep, watching main stream news. In 2007-8 when the housing market collapsed I thought we were in trouble but I bought the story of recovery initially. That's what I learned first, how deeply in trouble the country still was. That was the beginning for me. First it was the financial situation, which led to the FED, which led to the truth about the wars, which led to 9/11- going down the rabbit hole. It was like peeling an onion. I started questioning everything I had ever learned and promised to look at everything with an open mind. It was frightening at first and I tried talking to my spouse about it but I got a brick wall and a lot of criticism. He thought I'd lost my mind! I gave up trying to convince him eventually but he knew I was still at it based on what I was reading and listening to and it really caused a lot of friction because he wanted me to stop. He didn't understand - once you take the red pill, there's no going back!

Wow that is very interesting that you just woke up that way. Mine started quickly that way. Suddenly I was obsessed with finding the truth. I still am. I read everyday looking for it. It is an obsession and has been for years. I think the spiritual awakening and the obsession for the truth go hand in hand. One sparked the other.

I know the feeling! I'm obsessed too, not as much as before but I do stay on top of current events and still do lots of reading and research. I don't like not knowing the truth. I was angry at first when I realized everything I thought was true was a lie but I've made peace with all now largely because of the spiritual aspect.

The realization that God isn't a bastard disturbs many. Believe what you want my God isn't.

I was so sad. Then I got angry. I started telling everyone I could. I found out very quickly that you can't really wake someone else up. I also got over my anger and made peace with it.