What is Coming, and What we Must Do

Why will millions die? I can see that in a grid down situation, but this scenario you describe means at the very least a takeover of some sort. Not even the govt can maintain control with what you describe.

There are far too many rich an elite who live here who also won't have food, right?

I just can't put it together enough to think that what you describe is plausible.

Millions will die because:

1. when the currency becomes worthless, ALL those without preps will be at a massive disadvantage. Those whose "storehouse of value" is all bits in a bank's computer will be worst off, whether that "value" is an EBT card, or the debit card for their bank account which recently had a six-figure balance in it. The typical suburban family with all of their assets in the bank will be no better off than the "welfare family" across town.

2. without a valid currency, those "jobs" which don't actually produce anything will be worthless. The people who have no means of producing some good or service of *real value* will be incapable of sustaining themselves and their families. Bankers, insurance salespeople, web designers, and university professors (among many others) will all be worthless to society, unless they can immediately transition into a line of useful work.

3. without a valid currency, government funded services such as police, fire, and EMS will quite likely fall apart. Some areas will fare better than others in this regard, but it will come to pass at the city and county level, and should be an important factor in choosing your place to hunker down.


Now stop, go back, and read #1 again. Think about this for a moment, and personalize it so that you really understand what that means, how it will affect that average "person in the street". There will be many, many desperate people; and we know where that leads.

The above three factors are the defining points for a massive shift in society which will coincide with the beginning of the coming war between the "haves" and the "have nots". It may be precipitated by many things, but the progression will stabilize into one of only a few stable models as the series of events progresses.

Regardless of scenario, ALL the models have a rather large death toll within 50-100 miles of the major US urban centers. It's a demographic issue, and a hard gimbal against which other factors will revolve as events unfold. #1, above, is the pinion of the gimbal - the urban poor aren't going to understand that their recently-wealthy neighbors five blocks away are now just as dispossessed and despondent as they are...and the recently-wealthy denizens of the urban landscape are suddenly going to have no choice but to protect what little they may have - this is the conflict in it's atomic form; the atmosphere ripe for conflagration; that the urban poor will come to take what the urban middle class no longer has, and thus cannot surrender. This is the seed of uncontrollable violence in the urban jungle which cannot be prevented from sprouting when events unfold.

This will not be a polite war; and it will not be a "modern war" by any definition. This conflict will more closely resemble a high-frequency form of viking raids, with both sides fighting for their very sustenance - yet these skirmishes will be fought with modern weapons, and the collateral damage will thus be profoundly high amongst the population, some 90% of which are totally unprepared to face even casual violence, let alone a prolonged existential battle in their own homes and communities.

Because this is becoming more evident as time goes on. And it's not just in the US, either. Europe, China, and Venezuela are all headed for the cliff, as we are...

Thanks for all your insight, I value your opinion on these matters!

Last Edited by Thinking out loud on 03/10/2014 09:22 PM

Study and be vigilant, teach what you know, and speak what you believe; by this, all the days of your life shall be made full of goodness. In this simple directive is the root of all nobility.

Tho I don't necessarily believe your time line...or your causation....I agree that "something wicked this way comes..."

The biggest indicator...in my minds eye is the collapsing middle class, the rising price of food, the plummeting value of the dollar to buy goods...

As confidence in "the system" falters, the Powers That Be will desperately try to prop it up. They might have some limited success in getting some "goons" to protect them for a tiny slice of the pie..."You do as I say and you and your family will have food and shelter"...

But it will only be a temporary fix...eventually...as the fields dry up and there isn't enough to go around...the elite's slaves will turn o the even as the rich turn on each other...

Yep, its a'commin'. Details are not nearly as important as the consequences.

Consider this as an alternate trigger - Thread: A Scenario (Financial False Flag)

This scenario is not likely to happen at all. It is written not from the perspective of an American, but that of a socialist. Americans, true Americans, not the welfare class or dependent class is not dependent upon the government for their livelihood.

Lets say the situation develops just like as written. In the very first week, there will be two Americas. The dependent class will riot and start tearing up their own neighborhoods in protest because their govbment check did not show up on time, and they are running out of weed or something else and withdrawals are kicking in. The second America will be joining together to protect themselves, gather resources, growing food, form clinics to take care of the sick or injured. The last thing this America will want is the illegitimate government showing up to restore order in their way.

Why do I call the government illegitimate? Because if a economic collapse happens under the decisions made by this same government, the full faith and credit of that government is completely already lost and they have not credibility or authority unless it comes from the barrel of a gun. This is what we prepare for...

Definitely not written by a socialist. Look at the described "split" between urban and rural in the description. The urban represents the socialist side of the split, and what the outcome will be for their way of life.

But after a few weeks of "batten down the hatches", the rural folks are already rebuilding their local economy with barter, sustaining their communities with real charity, and rebuilding. The implication here is that the urbanites are signing their own death warrants by supporting the socialist government, economy, and mindset... and that in the aftermath, it will be rural America that arises to restore our nation to freedom on the foundation of self-sustaining communities.

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That was doomtastic. I suppose I should stop jerking off and start preparing for this as it will eventually take shape.

All this is about GOLD fanatics.
Gold is a metallic object. You can't eat it for bodily sustenance, you can't have enough to shelter yourself from the elements. It will not be worth anything at all as long and unless as others are willing to believe in it. Same as paper fiat. In truth GOLD is as much a fiat currency as any other currency. So , the world of finance is what we all want to believe it is.

It is not going to end until the end of everything, sorry but get your head wrapped around it.

All good and well when the SHTF and you have been prepping. Will you be willing to kill to defend your stash.
If you do have that mentality and you are one of the ones left to rebuild society, wont you just be rebuilding the exact same society that lead us to this state?

Where is gold mentioned, even once, in the OP???

I'm not a gold-tard, although I do own some. In point of fact, f*^k the money, because you're absolutely correct - all currency is limited to an arbitrated value, and if the arbitration fails, then the currency fails. Gold, dollars, bitcoins - all have weaknesses as currencies. That wasn't the point... it's about people.

It's about the collapse of the illusion of money as a store of value, and how the collapse of that system will ruin many LIVES. It's about being ready for the change - physically, mentally, and spiritually.

When you arent allowed to file a tax return because you dont have health insurance, you will be arrested for tax evasion-tax fraud.

Thats what they nailed Al Capone for.

What will all the 40 somethings (like me) do when faced with this dilemma?

15 yrs in klink with bubba or?....

I hear what you all are saying, but its more immediate than that.

Yes, we'll defend ourselves and our preps. It would be pointless, otherwise.

Ad for rebuilding, if we can but restore what our Founding Fathers gave us, perhaps we will not make the same mistakes with our new, new beginning...

History will always be this...

"...rural folks...rebuilding...arises to restore...nation.."

"..urban represents the socialist side..."


The major flaw (when visualizing this scenerio) is the hundreds of thousands of urban SPRAWL into the BETTER NEIGHBORHOODS...but they are STILL HOODS.

The middle class primarily LIVES IN URBAN SPRAWL...

Take a look around; drive around...EVERYWHERE there is SPRAWL (the so-called 'better' homes/schools/services/neighborhoods/parks/amenities) that the MIDDLE CLASS PROPPED UP...is in these 'sprawling middle class subdivisions...'

THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE JUST AS DESPERATE, JUST AS HASTY AND NASTY as the 'urban EBT dependants' et al.

The REAL problem will be that there were WAY TOO FEW PREPPERS...

While everyone else was TOO BUSY HAVING FUN, WATCHING TV, CLUBBING, BUYING JUNK...the preppers watched the news and saw the writing on the wall.

No matter HOW MANY TIMES we WARNED EVERYONE, they JUST DID NOT CARE...

There will be NO rural revitalization because ALL OF THOSE HORDES of nonpreppers are gona mow those places down.

Not unless you're WAY WAY WAY out there. OUT of sight and OUT of mind.

You will be KILLED for your sh#t.

BEST thing to do is GET VIGILANT and go to social media sites (Topix: African-American, Facebook: everyone, LInked, etc etc), and KEEP PUSHING PEOPLE TO GET PREPPED.

Now that the MSM has leaked the Fukushima radiation coming, people will start buzzing about it...

Have your plans. HElp as many as you can. Then gtfo.

Analysts at the apex run these scenarios constantly, and thousands of variations. WHEN they choose a final collapse playbook, it will be swift and I guarantee won't last very long. They'll come in pretty fast with their Global solution, and after seeing riots and violence in the major cities, rural majorities will jump at anything to keep the monsters away.

I agree with every part but the restoration... there will be none..

"As scary as it sounds, the ruling elites won't let this happen"

You are right. The proof is the fact that all banks have made obtaining loans a literal impossibility unless you have the money and asset liquidity in full already available to them.

Thus they will loan you the money if you already have the money available and a near perfect credit score. These flush investing class people are looking for yield and not finding much opportunity because of general deflation and shortened investment maturity time spans.

Second, all QE money has been going directly to the banks and literally saved to backstop the inevitable crash. What is loaned out is secured by matching assets.

So banks wont fail, they will just close for a short period of time. Max 6 months if your scenario evolves. They collectively have a few trillion in cash to backstop banking runs after the fact and probably at some discount.

Third, banking regulations were put into place making profitability impossible for the entire banking industry short of the biggest banks taking large bets on risky investments (to control commodities and countries). Loan portfolio profitability is also impossible due to banks not being able to make loans under new regulations.

Fourth, you cant foreclose on a home for a minimum of 6 months of non payment. You cannot contact the homeowner during that period of time. (These are new laws that just took effect.)

This implies a deflationary scenario and also support a slow grinding reset that could span decades.

Your apocalyptic scenario is not going to happen. All ai models support this because they will be telling TPTB that any hard collapse will cause them to lose control and power. This is something they will not give up easily.

Your scenario is too easy. Yet in some ways it would be the best thing to ever happen to the people should they work together rather than fight each other.

That is also something you are not considering.

The propaganda though supports an elysium type of realty. But in those movies the collapse is permanent and the elite have a paradise set aside. I do not see any evidence of this paradise yet in place.

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I hate to bring more doom.....not! But i think it will be much much worse than what even the OP is telling you. WHile everything is breaking loose, evil will also be unleashed at the same time. What has been veiled will be unveiled.

Up until now we heave seen evil among men. Wait until God gives these spirits freedom to roam as they choose.

Yes and it won't be the collapse of the economy. Something is coming from space that is huge and horrendous. Evidently it will rip away the atmosphere while causing terrible cataclysms to the entire planet. Forget politics and economy. The real terror is coming from space. God be with us all.

Good points. You have to ask the question, "Who benefits from the status quo?" The answer is obvious.

2007-2008

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= 2014-2015

Sept 2014

I didn't apply that aspect because many would ignore the entire premise if I did include it, but yes - pure unadulterated evil will be manifest if this is the time of Apocalypse...