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jesuschrist User ID: 66108131 Mexico 12/16/2014 01:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. OP you think Satan, and his demons, also repent, or get out of the lake of fire? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378 Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Matthew 25:46 ESV / 28 helpful votes Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment. Its day and night..I thought there was NO day and night after the millenium. And "forevers and evers" is senseless grammar...the actual words in that passage say the "age of the ages"..THE millenium. "Forevers and evers" makes no sense. But then half the stuff that has to be twisted out of all recognition to turn God into a sadistic merciless torturing monster who will spend eternity tomenting most of his creation would have to make NO sense..unless it was in a twisted sadistic satanic sort of way. But thats whats happenned. And I notice no one has addressed most of what I wrote ..like how they turned the GOD OF LOVE into a GOD OF MERCILESS SPITE FILLED REVENGE..utterly twisating those passage about what LOVE IS to suit THEIR satanic opposite..you know..all the sorts of mannerisms one would EXPECT from a VERY dark creature.. But then thats what the deception really is isnt it?? To turn the most loving compassionae giving and forgiving being who owns runs and maintains all of creation into a heartless beast. And christians BUY it...bothe mentally and with LOTS of CASH..HELL SELLS because FEAR SELLS...and as a result they become what they think God is..thus their pride and hate and arrogance and constant condemnation of all those who do not bow to them or their point of view...much like they think God is..who they say and teach will torture without mercy in the most horrifically and satanic way possible ALL those who do not bow to HIS. But really..its just satans point of view they asre pushing..because their fruit gives them away. Debunk failed..if anything..you have only called jesus a liar because I also notice you did not even attempt to address his own words which debunks what YOU teach. Why? Its because you cant. No one can gainsay the SON OF GOD! Especially not hell bent accusing christians who are yet to realise their God LOVES them and is NOT a monster.. But keep looking..and start thinking..because you have been TRICKED..TERRIBLY! BREAK FREE. I see you completely ignore the second verse, I presented: Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment. It actually means "Age lasting"..the age of the ages. The millenium. The rightous get to rule and reign during the millenium..the AGE LASTING life..given only to overcomers and the bride. The age lasting punishment is NOT being part of that. And at the second ressurection at the end of the millenuim..all those who had to die the second death and go through the "Fire" are never allowed into the Holy city. But I have already explained all this. Why are people so terrified and afraid to let go of a monstrous torture inflicting God? I know why..because I used to think the same way. Its based on out ALL TOO HUMAN NEED to see our "enemies" suffer and PAY. But Jesus didnt teach THAT eather...he was all about CORRECTION..NOT pointless revenge. God cannot be an asshole like satan is. Its impossible. Satan is hate and revenge and force and therefore evil. Its black and white. Good and evil. Jesus defined "Good". The opposite is evil. Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. This^^^^is "Good" Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. This is what christians preach^^^ Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; This^^^is "Good" and shows patience and love. Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. He Loves both the good and the evil and makes no discrimination in how he treats them. Its is the essence of "Good" Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? This is what christians do. The hang around eachother patting eachother on the back at how "Holy" they think they are but curse and hate and condemn everyone else all the time. That is "Evil" Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? As I said above its "Evil" Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. So perfect must not mean quoting scriptures or being all self rightous as they do but it means not being an asshole to everyone else. Because Gods not an asshole. the bible is a great book to date there are over 3500 mistranslations acknowledged by scholars and experts in linguistics as technology [translating/cryptology/entomology] and knowledge of ancient tongues increases NEW mistranslations are being discovered everyday. this is verified by a quick search so textual sources aren't the best after all the biblical jesus got it directly from god as should everyone this was the great teaching of Christ is the divinity of man, not a power elite they were humiliated by my words disgraced, and ashamed like herod who sold out his ppl to Rome. remember Masada ... better off dead that to be touched by the impure. what you can find in the bible are numerological codes hidden within the texts, smartspeak [encrypted/parable/metaphorical] insider subliminal messages and duality [conquer from within] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55871743 United States 12/16/2014 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. I had an experience over 20 years ago that's difficult to describe, but it wasn't an NDE, nor induced by drugs. I was fully lucid. One minute I'm in traffic at a red light, the next, I'm in a beautiful glade sparkling like diamonds. I didn't see any beings or a tunnel. I can't put the rest into words well enough to do it justice. The important thing is that God IS Love. With Love, there is no judgment but rather, the most perfect healing and union. There is no kind of love that even comes close, even if they were all combined. Every day I wish that the whole world could experience what I experienced. Love isn't complicated or conditioned with rules and consequences. Fear is not part of the equation. Our True Love will indeed wipe away all your tears so that all the grief, disappointment (in others and oneself), anger, stress or anything else that weighs on your hearts will be burnt off with Love. So, love and be loved. That is all that matters. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1580547 United States 12/16/2014 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. You're 100% right that hell is not eternal burning. However you are wrong that they will all of a sudden become repentant and saved. They will be DESTROYED, KILLED, DEAD by the flames of hell. A death where there is never an opportunity of resurrection. That's why hell is called the second death. Sinners destroyed there will be GONE... FOREVER more! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1580547 United States 12/16/2014 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. I hope, for the sake of all humanity that this is the truth. I can't imagine being happy in heaven if my lost loved ones are suffering for eternity. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65048823 And they won't be suffering for eternity. They will be destroyed by the fires of hell and nevermore shall they be anymore. "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch... And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts." Malachi 4:1, 3 Nothing left of the lost but ashes after root (satan) and branch (the lost) are destroyed. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6445557 United States 12/16/2014 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. the book of Enoch states that those on the good side will be able to pray their loved ones out of hell, or something to that affect. That is why they have always tried to discredit that book, or at least one of the reasons. Who knows for sure, I don't. Quoting: bigD111 Don't you understand anything? Christian fundamental concept is forgiveness for individual honest conversion from evil to unselfish goodness to all of Gods creation. Prodigal son and all that. BEING LOST, THEN FOUND is the goal. Not insincerity, not ritual, not intercession, not tricks and loopholes but spiritual awareness and ascension of the individual spirit. GOT THAT? Its up to you how many times you want to take the same shit tour down here on earth before you get what it takes to make it home. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6445557 United States 12/16/2014 10:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. I hope, for the sake of all humanity that this is the truth. I can't imagine being happy in heaven if my lost loved ones are suffering for eternity. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65048823 And they won't be suffering for eternity. They will be destroyed by the fires of hell and nevermore shall they be anymore. "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch... And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts." Malachi 4:1, 3 Nothing left of the lost but ashes after root (satan) and branch (the lost) are destroyed. The old testament fire and brimstone was for one thing only: Destruction of gentiles. There is no other judgement, there is NO PERFORMANCE STANDARD FOR THE TRIBE, NONE. This should be obvious if you actually read it but none of you have and the official Cliffs notes are designed to prevent you from learning the truth that that book serves only to sanction and justfy and encourage repeatedly the eternal effort to exterminate all others. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60457028 United States 12/27/2014 08:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. :grizzy: Stick with what the bible says, not with what you would like it to say. Quoting: Judethz THIS WAS YOUR LIFE!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] But thats the point of the thread..WHAT THE BIBLE says.. You didnt read it did you? Most christians DONT actually READ their bibles..they read chick tracts..books..utube vids and sermons BASED on those things..and taken out of context and twisted into something dark and fear filled. But rarely do they actually READ whats in the bible for themselves. I was the same too. I was a hell screamer rapture tard for 30 years..beleiving all the tracts and books and speakers and utubes..I KNOW how the system works. One day I sat down and read the book objectivly..JUST to see if what was IN it compared to what we were told (Due to a challenge I recieved right here at GLP) Someone said "Have you ever actually READ that book?..objectivly?..or have you just bought into whats been SAID about it by the ones at the top who make all the cash from your FEAR?" So..being a good "berean"..I accepted the "Challenge"..and studied all the points they brought up..line by line//precept by precept.. And lo and behold..found we have all be SATANICALLY and TERRIBLY DECIVED! And that deception actually makes sense.. because if I was Satan...the very first thing on my agenda would be to make god LOOK like everything I in fact was..a worship demanding merciless self absorbed tyrant who cares nothing about torturing trillions. THATS satan for ya..NOT GOD. Now throw those illuminati sponsored tracts away Judethz and THINK! Ok, do not want to take over your thread. Maybe you can help me. On Christmas I received a letter from a neighbor & friend I have know for many years. In the letter was 2 tracts, one is IF WE KNEW JESUS WOULD COME TONIGHT & THIS WAS YOUR LIFE. I will share a few excerpts from the letter so as not to be too lengthy. The letter was one page & hand written & full of assumptions & judgements. "The Lord truly loves you. He's the one whole has had me helping your out. He impressed me to do so for you. But now He says if you don't want him in your life just tell Him. He would love to save your soul, but you continue pushing him away then He will be forced to let you go to hell. " Ending the letter with "and when you talk to the Lord about this, then we can continue being the best of friends." A little background, this old neighbor now lives in a nursing home. I go and pick her up, take her on her errands, buy her lunch, bought her several sweaters for Christmas & even drove her around to see Christmas lights. When at my house, she went & turned down Elvis Blue Christmas & claimed Elvis is immoral & does not like to listen to him. I do not believe in heavy judgement of anyone. Elvis' sins were just more public & open for scrutiny than the rest of us. There is a PS about the church I am attending as well. I am so insulted someone whom I have known & helped would even think to send me this on no less Christmas. Of course no thank you for the sweaters. Is this typical behavior for mainstream christians? I cannot stand these tracts, the narrow minded negativity and all the ongoing fear of living, fear of dying and fear of hell. It is difficult to believe that someone who claims they are christian is forcing me to think & do as they do. Help me understand. Am I missing something? I don't think I could even talk to her again. I think she has lost her mind. Or for that matter any christian with public declarations & judgements. Any insights? |
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SunLion User ID: 66441784 United States 12/27/2014 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. I hope, for the sake of all humanity that this is the truth. I can't imagine being happy in heaven if my lost loved ones are suffering for eternity. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65048823 Judgement is much more nuanced than we've been taught. People will not be condemned for petty misdemeanors as preached by the fear-mongers wearing robes. The only ones who will be condemned are those who KNOW they are evil and like it. It's for the worst of the worst. Justice actually is fair and certain crimes are pardonable. Remorse and repentance goes a long long way. |
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User ID: 67516232 Switzerland 02/04/2015 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. Its mostly the catholic church who teaches wrong things because they are the wolf in sheepclothing. And people follow then that stuff, and also the false prophet, antichrist pope, whose goal is to push people away from faith with wrong doctrines or to make them belive and practice the faith wrong. or mingle it with islam. thats why people still belive hell is eternal instead of reading and understanding the bible themselves. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67815592 Canada 02/08/2015 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. [ Satan is hate and revenge and force and therefore evil. first of all, write down all the evil acts committed by the bible characters and compare the numbers. There you will find who the true perpetrator of evil is.This is just a rough estimate- god "1000" evil acts - satan "0" evil acts and to prove me wrong all you have to do is find one evil act committed by satan in the whole bible |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70650868 Australia 10/25/2015 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. The lake of fire you will be surrounded by pure love and holiness lmao couldn't read past that lost all credibility Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59078291 I dunno about that. can you imagine how it would feel to be a hateful spiteful person who spent their life killing and hating and seeking revenge suddenly finding themselves immersed in pure love and light? ever seen roaches scatter when you turn on a light? they LOVE darkness....light is torment to them. so shall it be with mankind who even god admits LOVES darkness more than light. they will be like roaches trapped in a bright room with nothing to hide under. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3989074 United States 10/25/2015 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. Whats really interesting is why people think that words never even spoken by Jesus are included in so-called Christianity. why would words from other sources and varioys anon people being included into Christianity. If you believe his deity you would have to believe he said and did all you need to know and all the garbage included from others is unnecessary and potentially harmful. if you think gospels and books which expand beyond the words and acts of the one that the religion is named after are valid simply because they were included between the same book covers you dont know anything. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3989074 United States 10/25/2015 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. Whats really interesting is why people think that words never even spoken by Jesus are included in so-called Christianity. why would words from other sources and varioys anon people being included into Christianity. If you believe his deity you would have to believe he said and did all you need to know and all the garbage included from others is unnecessary and potentially harmful. if you think gospels and books which expand beyond the words and acts of the one that the religion is named after are valid simply because they were included between the same book covers you dont know anything. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3989074 United States 10/25/2015 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. The believers, some say the authors of the old testament dont believe in a hell, a heaven, a devil or any afterlife because theres no specific, direct mention of any of it. So, if its not in there for them that wrote it, where did it come from for the rest of you imagining that its in there? ? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70176822 United States 10/25/2015 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell. The believers, some say the authors of the old testament dont believe in a hell, a heaven, a devil or any afterlife because theres no specific, direct mention of any of it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3989074 So, if its not in there for them that wrote it, where did it come from for the rest of you imagining that its in there? ? Corrupt $pin from whatever faction took the reigns in about the 5th century. You scare peasants, they're pretty easy to control. |