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AFFORDABLE CARE? Right -- read on... 9.5% of income plus -- evil, evil, evil

 
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AFFORDABLE CARE? Right -- read on... 9.5% of income plus -- evil, evil, evil
So, how many out there think paying 9.5% of your income for healthcare (and that's just the premiums) is AFFORDABLE? This all is insanity, this will destroy our country and do nothing for the citizens. Costs of drugs and healthcare need addressed, not taking the country and its citizens into even worse debt.

This three ring circus was thought up by insurance companies, big pharma/hospitals, and idiotic and/or evil liberals.

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Q. Can I buy health insurance on the exchange if I already have insurance through an employer?

A. Yes, but it may not make financial sense. You can qualify for subsidized coverage on the exchange if your employer-sponsored plan is deemed unaffordable, which the law defines as a plan with premium costs exceeding 9.5 percent of your household income. Or, if the coverage your employer provides does not meet minimum value standards set by the Affordable Care Act. Since most employers pick up anywhere from 50-90 percent of premium costs and already provide comprehensive plans for their employees, it is unlikely that a significant portion of the approximately 60 percent of Ohioans who have insurance through an employer will qualify for subsidies to lower their monthly premiums.
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Q. How much will I have to spend to buy coverage on the exchange?

A. Premium costs will vary depending on your age, the type of coverage you select and where you live. But the health care law limits the amount individuals and families must pay for subsidized coverage to no more than 9.5 percent of household income.

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Note: Under the health care law, insurance providers cannot charge more due to pre-existing conditions or gender. But they can charge more if you smoke. Smokers can be charged up to 1.5 times the premiums of those who don’t use tobacco in most states, including Ohio.

Q. What kind of coverage options can I expect to find on the exchange?

A. Subsidized coverage will be offered in four tiers — bronze, silver, gold and platinum — reflecting the actuarial value of the health plans, or the percentage of expected medical costs that each plan will cover. Bronze plans will have the lowest value, while platinum plans will cover the most medical costs and will be the most expensive. The exchanges will also offer catastrophic plans, but they will not be eligible for subsidies. To give Ohioans some idea of what to expect, the price-comparison website ValuePenguin.com calculated rates and subsidies, based on age and income, for the second-lowest-cost silver plan approved for Ohio’s exchange. The second-lowest-cost silver plan will be the benchmark plan in every state used to calculate the actual amount of your tax credit. According to ValuePenguin’s online premium calculator, a 40-year-old, non-smoker living in Montgomery County and earning $30,000 a year would have a monthly premium of $273.11 for the benchmark plan with a subsidy of $129.04. The final cost to buy coverage would be $144.07 per month.

Note: Even though premiums can vary by age — with older adults with higher medical costs generally seeing the highest premiums — the oldest adult on the exchange cannot be charged more than three times the premium of the
youngest adult under the law....


Q. Will I be eligible for any other cost savings on the exchange?

A. Perhaps. In addition to premium subsidies, people earning less than 250 percent of the federal poverty level — or $28,725 for a single person and $58,875 for a family of four — are eligible for extra subsidies to offset out-of-pocket costs, such as deductibles and co-payments. In 2014, the out-of-pocket limits for most plans will be $6,350 for an individual and $12,700 for a family, but the cost-sharing subsidies will only be available to people enrolling in silver plans.

Note: The Obama administration has delayed implementing the cap on out-of-pocket costs for employer-sponsored insurance plans, but the cap still applies to exchange plans...
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Where is all the money coming from???




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Q. How do I know if I qualify for the exchange?

A. Anyone not eligible for Medicaid or Medicare can apply for individual or family coverage through the exchange, although tax credit subsidies to help defray the cost of insurance will be available only to those enrollees with incomes ranging from 100 percent to 400 percent of the federal poverty level. That’s a maximum of $45,960 for an individual or $94,200 for a family of four this year. FamiliesUSA estimates that more than 900,000 Ohioans will be eligible for subsidies, which are available on the exchanges.

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Re: AFFORDABLE CARE? Right -- read on... 9.5% of income plus -- evil, evil, evil
A friend of mine works in a very large dermatology office. They report that no extra spending is occurring while the dr.'s wait to see what happens with Obamacare-less. Says the dr.'s are not happy about the impacts it will have on their business nor on themselves, their employees nor their patients.

It appears that only pharma, hospitals, liberals and dumbed-down people are excited about the implementation.
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Re: AFFORDABLE CARE? Right -- read on... 9.5% of income plus -- evil, evil, evil
A friend of mine works in a very large dermatology office. They report that no extra spending is occurring while the dr.'s wait to see what happens with Obamacare-less. Says the dr.'s are not happy about the impacts it will have on their business nor on themselves, their employees nor their patients.

It appears that only pharma, hospitals, liberals and dumbed-down people are excited about the implementation.
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Nonsense,
More insured = more patients
Nothing changes for people with employeer provided insurance, what
changes is that individuals can now buy real insurance themselves.
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09/22/2013 09:19 AM
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I'd like to see $10 gal gasoline to pay for universal health care for all.
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Re: AFFORDABLE CARE? Right -- read on... 9.5% of income plus -- evil, evil, evil
According to ValuePenguin’s online premium calculator, a 40-year-old, non-smoker living in Montgomery County and earning $30,000 a year would have a monthly premium of $273.11 for the benchmark plan with a subsidy of $129.04. The final cost to buy coverage would be $144.07 per month.


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$1730 a year?

I have spent less than $275 in the last 20 years, including prescriptions, in doctor visits.


But, then I try to take care of myself and don't fill it with shit.
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According to ValuePenguin’s online premium calculator, a 40-year-old, non-smoker living in Montgomery County and earning $30,000 a year would have a monthly premium of $273.11 for the benchmark plan with a subsidy of $129.04. The final cost to buy coverage would be $144.07 per month.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40043935


$1730 a year?

I have spent less than $275 in the last 20 years, including prescriptions, in doctor visits.


But, then I try to take care of myself and don't fill it with shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46316420


That's admirable that you try to take care of yourself but that is no guarantee you won't get sick. With the air, water and food contaminated with pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, GMO-altered, imported, etc. - most bodies won't be able to survive the onslaught without some harm.

Are you single? If not, then the premium is higher. Plus, I don't think most people like paying taxes to give a subsidy of $129.04 a month to cover you when the real issue is cost of healthcare -- pharmaceuticals & hospitals.
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Re: AFFORDABLE CARE? Right -- read on... 9.5% of income plus -- evil, evil, evil
A friend of mine works in a very large dermatology office. They report that no extra spending is occurring while the dr.'s wait to see what happens with Obamacare-less. Says the dr.'s are not happy about the impacts it will have on their business nor on themselves, their employees nor their patients.

It appears that only pharma, hospitals, liberals and dumbed-down people are excited about the implementation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40043935


Nonsense,
More insured = more patients
Nothing changes for people with employeer provided insurance, what
changes is that individuals can now buy real insurance themselves.
 Quoting: Fred 23476865


Not nonsense and I should ignore your post because I don't believe you believe what you wrote but that you are just trying to stir the pot.

More insured may equate to more patients, but not better health care. Doctors are pushing people through office visits as it is because the gov't run (also what exchanges will be) programs dictate that they have to see so many patients per day. They have to report on the number of Medicare and Medicaid patient count and they get reimbursed for said care only a small percentage of the actual cost. You had better believe the same will occur for exchange patients.

Everything changes for the employer provided insurance. Employers are moveing people to part-time to void the insurance, so these people will not be keeping the employer healthcare and some companies are dropping health coverage for anyone but the actual employee - so looks like the spouse can kids can now go on exchanges - that will be like HMO's and they will only see doctors in their networks - mostly doctors who speak barely intelligible English and who know from where they were educated.

Another friend of mine worked in A/P for a firm of Indian doctors (not saying all Indian doctors are like this but - . She said they would run in every hour to see how much money they were making each day. Now, if a doctor is so concerned about their finances every hour, I don't see them as being concerned about their patients. And, an Indian doctor (for example) may think a given amount of money is very good because they come from a society that is very different from the U.S.





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