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....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo

 
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The Two Witnesses were the two men that went into Sodom and Gomorrha and destroyed it (the third man that briefly accompanied them and talked to Abraham, was Jesus).

The two angels guarding the empty grave of Jesus Christ, the Two Witnesses yet again.

Elija and Mose telling Jesus that he will have to go to Jerusalem and die there: the Two Witnesses.

As John the Baptist was Elija, so Mose was none other than Enoch reborn.
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I remember reading one of the Apochrypha books that stated it would be Elijah and Enoch. My guess is one of them is Judah and one is Israel. Maybe it will be them, or maybe they represent who is coming. The bible makes it clear that descendants of Israel are the witnesses.
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Have you read the testament of the 12 patriarchs....it says one from judah a king and one from levi a priest will lead the people in the end-times
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you are a fucking brainwashed religious nutjob^ stupid girl you are so brainwashed by the idiotic catholic religion that you have strayed from the path beyond imagination^ wake the fuck up before its too late!!
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The Two Witnesses were the two men that went into Sodom and Gomorrha and destroyed it (the third man that briefly accompanied them and talked to Abraham, was Jesus).

The two angels guarding the empty grave of Jesus Christ, the Two Witnesses yet again.

Elija and Mose telling Jesus that he will have to go to Jerusalem and die there: the Two Witnesses.

As John the Baptist was Elija, so Mose was none other than Enoch reborn.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47435795


I remember reading one of the Apochrypha books that stated it would be Elijah and Enoch. My guess is one of them is Judah and one is Israel. Maybe it will be them, or maybe they represent who is coming. The bible makes it clear that descendants of Israel are the witnesses.
 Quoting: bigD111


Have you read the testament of the 12 patriarchs....it says one from judah a king and one from levi a priest will lead the people in the end-times
 Quoting: waterman


Thanks, I will check it out! I have a book called the other bible, which is full of these books. I will see if it is in there!
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
Hey Wildhoney! At least you are thinking outside the box!
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[link to www.summascriptura.com]
The Two Witnesses were the two men that went into Sodom and Gomorrha and destroyed it (the third man that briefly accompanied them and talked to Abraham, was Jesus).

The two angels guarding the empty grave of Jesus Christ, the Two Witnesses yet again.

Elija and Mose telling Jesus that he will have to go to Jerusalem and die there: the Two Witnesses.

As John the Baptist was Elija, so Mose was none other than Enoch reborn.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47435795


I remember reading one of the Apochrypha books that stated it would be Elijah and Enoch. My guess is one of them is Judah and one is Israel. Maybe it will be them, or maybe they represent who is coming. The bible makes it clear that descendants of Israel are the witnesses.
 Quoting: bigD111


Have you read the testament of the 12 patriarchs....it says one from judah a king and one from levi a priest will lead the people in the end-times
 Quoting: waterman


Thanks, I will check it out! I have a book called the other bible, which is full of these books. I will see if it is in there!
 Quoting: bigD111


You can find it here;

[link to www.summascriptura.com]
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[link to www.summascriptura.com]
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I remember reading one of the Apochrypha books that stated it would be Elijah and Enoch. My guess is one of them is Judah and one is Israel. Maybe it will be them, or maybe they represent who is coming. The bible makes it clear that descendants of Israel are the witnesses.
 Quoting: bigD111


Have you read the testament of the 12 patriarchs....it says one from judah a king and one from levi a priest will lead the people in the end-times
 Quoting: waterman


Thanks, I will check it out! I have a book called the other bible, which is full of these books. I will see if it is in there!
 Quoting: bigD111


You can find it here;

[link to www.summascriptura.com]
 Quoting: waterman


Thanks dude, I bookmarked it! Got lots going on with cattle right now, but I will check it out!
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09/26/2013 11:05 AM
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
you are a fucking brainwashed religious nutjob^ stupid girl you are so brainwashed by the idiotic catholic religion that you have strayed from the path beyond imagination^ wake the fuck up before its too late!!
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lol, the irony.
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09/26/2013 03:27 PM
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
you are a fucking brainwashed religious nutjob^ stupid girl you are so brainwashed by the idiotic catholic religion that you have strayed from the path beyond imagination^ wake the fuck up before its too late!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38007110

Just a hunch mind you..but Ithink the above poster doesnt agree with my interpretation

I could be wrong though..just a wild guess

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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
Hey Wildhoney! At least you are thinking outside the box!
 Quoting: bigD111


yes ..pretty much outside the box and outside the room..lol

but it honestly makes sense to me
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These are indeed the last days, I think that is why you are being called to study the scriptures. Remember there are lying signs and wonders. The AC will try to deceive many, even the elect, if that were possible
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hf
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
Think whatever you want guys..I understand if you think this is absolute nonsencepeace

from this end..it feels it was an inspiration

I honestly havent a clue how it even occurred to me..and just from that random quote
 Quoting: wildhoney


I think somehow you're high on carrots....
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I didn´t know carrots could get you high..explains a lot

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09/30/2013 05:20 AM
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
bump

Im convinced..ohyeah
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09/30/2013 08:31 PM
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
I think the two witnesses are The Catholic Church and the internet
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
Did you have a garden this year Wildhoney? I was wondering how it was?
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10/01/2013 06:49 AM
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
Did you have a garden this year Wildhoney? I was wondering how it was?
 Quoting: bigD111


Im working on it eyebat

Thank you for asking

and yourself?

how does you garden grow? :)
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
I dont think anyone took this idea of mine seriously..oh well

Im convinced..yup :)
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
My garden was very good this year, except for my corn. It was the same variety as a year ago, but last years was so good and this years tasted like feed corn! lol
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
My garden was very good this year, except for my corn. It was the same variety as a year ago, but last years was so good and this years tasted like feed corn! lol
 Quoting: bigD111


That is wonderful!

Most corn in the US is GM though so I have Heard..try to get the non GM maybe if you havent already?

Corn is delicious..I like it non cooked too

The wonderful positive energy that comes from nature hf
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
Our growing season is over now. We had a freeze last week. Actually, that was a late freeze for Montana! It was a great year for berries, tomatoes, potatoes, green beans, cucumbers and carrots.
I think the witnesses have to be human because they are killed and will be on display for 3.5 days, then are taken to heaven. That is probably why your idea was not popular! imho
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
Our growing season is over now. We had a freeze last week. Actually, that was a late freeze for Montana! It was a great year for berries, tomatoes, potatoes, green beans, cucumbers and carrots.
I think the witnesses have to be human because they are killed and will be on display for 3.5 days, then are taken to heaven. That is probably why your idea was not popular! imho
 Quoting: bigD111


That sounds beautiful..must be great to have horses and just go riding long distance..

I dont have a horse...yet..:)

Yes..its understandable..

But I think there is a symbiosis between the two cloths and the body and miraculous nature of Christ

so the two Cloths..not only wrapped the body..but because they contained His Blood..became one with the body..in characteristics..attributes and happenings

so as the body rose from the dead...the cloths did too

and were no longer testimony to a death and makeshift burial...which never was

but witnesses to life and to a resurrection that always is
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Private interpretation?
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Re: ....I think the two witnesses are...The Holy Shroud and the Sudarium Of Oviedo
Our growing season is over now. We had a freeze last week. Actually, that was a late freeze for Montana! It was a great year for berries, tomatoes, potatoes, green beans, cucumbers and carrots.
I think the witnesses have to be human because they are killed and will be on display for 3.5 days, then are taken to heaven. That is probably why your idea was not popular! imho
 Quoting: bigD111


That sounds beautiful..must be great to have horses and just go riding long distance..

I dont have a horse...yet..:)

Yes..its understandable..

But I think there is a symbiosis between the two cloths and the body and miraculous nature of Christ

so the two Cloths..not only wrapped the body..but because they contained His Blood..became one with the body..in characteristics..attributes and happenings

so as the body rose from the dead...the cloths did too

and were no longer testimony to a death and makeshift burial...which never was

but witnesses to life and to a resurrection that always is
 Quoting: wildhoney


I used to ride like that when I was a youngster, haven't been on a pleasure ride in years! Too busy! lol
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Private interpretation?
 Quoting: Harbinger Of Truth


yes of course..just an idea ..or as you say private interpretation

But most interpretations start off as private ones till they are approved

not saying mine will

or that I would even want it to..or consider it should be

just wanted to share it and get feed back
hf
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5 more days til the arrival of Elijah October 6 2013

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5 more days til the arrival of Elijah October 6 2013

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See, lots of different ideas out there, so it is good to share them Wildhoney! We receive 120 pounds of honey a year for letting the apiary place their hives here. Such good honey!
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5 more days til the arrival of Elijah October 6 2013

:womanmoonsun:
 Quoting: waterman


See, lots of different ideas out there, so it is good to share them Wildhoney! We receive 120 pounds of honey a year for letting the apiary place their hives here. Such good honey!
 Quoting: bigD111


oh I amgetting my own beehive too..ha ha

cheer

just one though

thats wonderful..it must be so beautiful there..like in the cowboy movies cheer
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Now these two cloths are closely associated with Christ..they contain His Blood..for believers

therefore indirectly they contain His essence

now lets continue reading

it mentions fire..fire consuming the enemies of the TWO WITNESSES

starngely indeed..but the Shroud..was almost destroyed..yes precisely by FIRE on various occasions..and in one occasion has the burn marks to prove it..but they didnt succeed in trying to destroy it

odd coincidence huh?
 Quoting: wildhoney


That is the God of Fire, Hephaestus who is Vulcan in Rome and Tubal Cain of Catholicism and Freemasonry. This witness comes back and pounds swords into ploughshares with his hammer.
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Now these two cloths are closely associated with Christ..they contain His Blood..for believers

therefore indirectly they contain His essence

now lets continue reading

it mentions fire..fire consuming the enemies of the TWO WITNESSES

starngely indeed..but the Shroud..was almost destroyed..yes precisely by FIRE on various occasions..and in one occasion has the burn marks to prove it..but they didnt succeed in trying to destroy it

odd coincidence huh?
 Quoting: wildhoney


That is the God of Fire, Hephaestus who is Vulcan in Rome and Tubal Cain of Catholicism and Freemasonry. This witness comes back and pounds swords into ploughshares with his hammer.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


huh?

damned

mind you it seems a good idea to change swords into ploughshares doesnt it?
:)
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But when does Christ say it is these two?





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