WHAT WAS SO SPECIAL ON THE WORLD SCENE 2000 YEARS AGO THAT WARRANTED JESUS PERSONAL INTERVENTION?

I dont think it was the timing of then..It had to coincide time wise with now..so in order to do that..it had to happen precisely at that time

The destruction of the 2nd Temple and Jerusalem.

now? why now? what is so special about now?
and why not in 1943 when his people were being exterminated by Hitler for no reason?
or in 1493 during the horrible times of the Spanish inquisition and persecution from his Christian church?

that would have made more sense than coming 2000 years ago for no apparent reason whatsoever?

Yes.

It was all about the detruction of the pharisees.

And the revealing of the TRUTH

And he will be back shortly to do it AGAIN because they have taken over the church and turned the truth into a blackmailing hate filled money making LIE..like the pharisees before them.

Thread: You KNOW them by their FRUITS. Evil ALWAYS has some very easily seen telltale signs..FEAR and HATE being formost.

this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I myself am against you, Jerusalem, and I will inflict punishment on you in the sight of the nations. Ezekiel 5:8

... Son of man, set your face against Jerusalem and preach against the sanctuary. Prophesy against the land of Israel Ezekiel 21:2

Central point of Gods chronometer

So what do you think will happen when you get disavowed?

it had to do with magnetics




seeding at the right time for a jump in consciousness




to anchor it in time, cemented

One can only go by what Jesus and the word says right?

Lests see what HE said and what the WORD says.

No more mens books or vids or anything.

Just scripture.


Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.


Notice he said "TILL" the debt was paid...clearly stating that it COULD and WOULD be paid.

Christians teach it to mean..

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, and even after he should pay all that was due unto him he would never be let out and writhe in torture forever..

And again he said.

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

So what it means is to work things out NOW while you have life and an easy chance to do so.

Otherwise if you dont deal with things now while its "Easy" to do so, you will have to pay for it the hard way.

But notice he still menationed it was "UNTIL" the last farthing was paid, and that he would NOT get out "UNTIL" it was paid in full.

In other words there is a limit to the the price you pay commesurate with what you owed.

But christians teach it like this.


Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, And even after you have paid you will never get out.

They like to teach the exact opposite to what Jesus said.

Its very clear.

How can anyone miss it??

But it sells books and makes money and keeps everyone in contant fear and easlily controlled.

The LAKE OF FIRE is NOT torture..its LOVE!!!!

Like flame melts the coldest of ice the lake of fire will melt and soften even the hardest of hearts.

There you will be surrounded by pure love and holiness.

This would be torment to a dark and evil heart and there they remail till all the evil in them is burt away.

Evil is death. Thats why death gets destroyed in the lake.

It cannot survive pure love.

So those in the lake will face the results of every evil action they ever committed and they will wail and gansh their teeth, as they feel the pain they caused others but not in "Revenge" state as is taught, but in a "Corrective" state.

They will finally understand at last their true state and that they are loved so deeply that they will be ashamed and eventually be purified of all their evil.

Im not talking about the catholic "Purgatory" where they are tortured for tortures sake in sadistic ways.

Its more like they get flooded and saturated by pure love itself and in their final understanding of what Love is they have all their hate and evil burnt out of them.

Because it happens in the PRESENCE of the LAMB (So much for it being a SEPERATION from him)


Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,(WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CORRECTION NOT POITNLESS CRUELTY) which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Death dies because evil dies.

What is left at the end is just themselves...finally repentant and educated in the ways of mercy and love..all their hate and evil destroyed.\

The price they pay for doing things the "Hard" way is they hold themselves in everlasting contempt and shame and are never allowed into the holy city.

The will forever be on the "Outside" looking in.

But in no way screaming in torture forever.

Instead at the end when all is said and done every one of them will bow before their creator and confess "Jesus is Lord" and mean it because to do so they will have "Learnt: rightousness and been granted the Holy Spirit in order to be able to make that confession.

And that confession will be to the "Glory" of the Father.

How can the father get much "Glory" if they are all making that Meaningful heartfelt confession if they arew doing so under torture and duress?

IN the end LOVE wins because it cant LOSE.

It never fails.

And according to scripture..

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

om_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

AND..they CANT make this confession UNLESS..

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

And to HAVE the Holy Ghost requires REPENTANCE..

And therefore ALL who confess this AT the end MUST have God dwelling iN them DUE to repentance..

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In other words they paid the last farthing..have learnt their lesson..have repented and are now able to make this confession and mean it.

Those whose names were not found written in the book of life and had to die the "Second death" were never allowed into the city..

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And after they have paid the last farthing in the lake of the fire of His pure love he will..

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So sorrow and pain and agony and tears HAVE AN END.

Its the opposite of what is taught where they say that those very things will continue on forever in a place sustained BY God.

But at the end even the hardests of sinners will be made whole and have all their tears wiped away.

But they can never enter the city. They were not among the ones who "Took care of busines" on the way to court.

They had to pay it all in full to the last stripe..

And this includes christians who dont do what the Lord asked..they get the SAME punishment as the "Unbeleivers"

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

There is no discrimination made here.

A Christian who treats his fellows badly will get the SAME punishment even if he did "Beleive"

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Notice it didnt say "INFINITE" Stripes but "Many".

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So once again He is clearly saying that there IS AN END and a LIMIT to how one paid their debt and that "Christians" who are ratbags to others get the SAME punishment in the SAME place as the "UNBELEIVERS"...who of course get FEWER stripes because they DID NOT KNOW.

But christians teach it to mean..once again the OPPOSITE

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with INFINITE stripes.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with INFINITE STRIPES as well. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

But Why did Jesus die you may ask if everyone "Repents" at the end??

He died so you would not HAVE to experience the second death.

If you want to experience it..and it probably wont be fun..keep preaching fear and terror..you know..the very OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught.

Read the post again..see what HE TAUGHT!

And if you do..you will realise that NOT EVERYONE gets to HEAVEN..as Heaven IS the New Jerusalem.

The ones that had to die the "Second death" ..are forever denied entrance or any authority in the Kindom.

They themselves are saved..but they sure did SUFFER LOSS..and will hold themselves in "Everlasting" contempt..for being so foolish as to have NOT done things the easy way when they had the chance.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Notice it said "ANY MAN"..no discrimination here again.

Notice the "FIRE"?..Thats his PURE LOVE..and it will BURN UP DROSS..and everything NOT DONE in love will BURN.

But the person..even if they were evil to the core..will lose EVERYTHING..ALL rewards..but they themselves WILL be saved..but,,are never allowed into the city..EVER.[/

Jesus was the voice of God, not God.

Also, didnt it take like 500 years for his teachings to be even passed on, or accepted?

Jesus is the literal son of God, born into mortality
without mortal father. His timing had more to do with
an overall need as evidenced in the passage 'other sheep
I have not of this fold' (John 10:16) and a schedule set
before the world was, like his second coming will be.

After Christ was gone, his apostles were killed off within
a few years by the same movement that established the
Catholic church by organizing into the force that brought
about the Spanish Inquisition.

There were pockets of followers, but for the most part
they were also killed off,
his teachings were hidden, literacy outlawed, as the
papacy fastened itself on the necks of monarchies, having
a form of christianity but in celebration of his death,
not his resurrection and promise for mankind.

Catholicism extracted money for grace, and assumed control
of repentance with priests and rosaries and punishments
for sin.

Martin Luther began the restoration of the message of
Jesus Christ in 1422? I think. Google for yourselves.

Good time to propogate a new meme. There was widespread communication and literacy but not as much control as that which came later. It allowed the ideas to spread and become tradition with minimal distortion. Of course it was distorted but it would have been distorted worse at another time.

God mapped out history long before humans were created.

God knew the world of today would disintegrate enough that it would require the return of part of Himself; His son.

The Big piece has always been and always will be the Mark of the Beast.


Like no other time in history, our world has the technology to put this all together.

I believe God appeared on the scene in the first century so that he could return for OUR time.

The Mark of the Beast is soon to this world.

This is all SILLY, STOP being controlled

Jesus was no more a god than you and I, he was however very one with his spiritual being.

At the very least historically he was a member of the zealots, an anti-roman rebel group. Remember the ear? Some of his followers carried swords.

His 'teachings' were written down 100-200 years AFTER his death. Yes, oral tradition along with the slow growth of a new 'Christian' community did occur during this time period.

CHRISTIAN is the wrong term however. Early Christianity was composed of many sects, who did not always agree and, in fact rarely did, upon what the actual tenets of their 'new' faith were. We have to remember that Christianity, Especially early Christianity, is an outcropping of Judaism. Oddly enough, the situation for Christians in America Today is similar.

Notwithstanding, the Roman Empire and its Emperor, the society which ours is most based upon and that we mirror to a great extent today, 'adopted' Christianity as the religion of the state because the original sayings of Jesus, a revolutionary, had created communities that were no longer produced for the empire. This adoption occurred via the council of Nicea(SP), where the Emperor convened all of the early church fathers, along with his own advisers, and had them compile what is today the BIBLE.

You see must see then, from the outset to today, 'Christianity' as we know it has been a religion of state control. This is not to mention its current state of affairs, as it props up a warmongering nation and a depraved culture.

Please, know that Jesus was a good man who had known the Universal One. But he is not above you. You can be him too.

The mark like the antichrist has been active spiritually since the were first exposed, the time of deeper more physical manifestation is as you suggest , upon us, Look up brethren, He approaches in the clouds of heaven not earth, the clouds of earth will depart before him, the clouds from heaven are made up of His flocks, part of His body.

The Jews were about to be scattered across the Nations for two thousand years. Jesus gave them one last chance to avoid it but they declined him.

Could have been a strategic ploy to piggy-back the Gospels across the Roman Empire while it was at its height?

This is a good question, to get an inkling of the answer one must look at the Old Terstament Book of Daniel, the statue has a head of gold, torso of silver etc.

The hips of Iron is the Roman empire that splits into two legs, the timing of Yahushua is just before the split between the Western kingdom based on Rome and the Eastern kingdom based on Constantinople (Istambul).

Rome was invaded by pagans, as eventually was Constaninople, hence the feet of Iron and clay,

So one foot is Roman Catholicism, the other is Islam, But both have had the opportunity to understand Yahushua, but both have rejected him and chosen to kill his followers in vast numbers.

'Jesus' is a Roman pagan concept invented by Constantine, Messiah's name was Yehushua, a Hebrew name....

For more on this:- [link to mike93c.com]

Last Edited by Taruwah on 09/29/2013 06:47 AM

People did as they believed was right and followed the law and used animal sacrifice to atone for their sins.

Jesus left us with the Holy Spirit to both comfort and convict us and He Himself is our forever sacrifice.

When He is taken out of the way (which is happening soon) the man of lawlessness will be revealed.


It happened that way because it needed to.

Good question,that's when his Mother was born.The Immaculate Conception.

It was the to fulfill the prophecy of the 70 weeks of the book of Daniel. If people hadn't twisted this prophecy so bad, every Christian would understand it. But it been twisted beyond recognition.

the god returns to the island every 19 years, the Greeks(who use) the 19 year system are not cheated of the truth- Diodorus Siculus


Jerome, in his book Chronicon, under the "year of Abraham 1968" (i.e., 49 BC), writes, "Diodorus of Sicily, a writer of Greek history, became illustrious"

The time had fully come and the fields were ripe for harvest. What farmer takes the fruit before it is fully ripe?

All things were written before and the scriptures must be fulfilled; as genesis 2 declares, "these are the generations of the heavens and of the earth BEFORE..."

Your setup is based on a lot of bad presumptions. I can't even sort through them all.

You've got different sets of characters and you're trying to reconcile them all to have the same agenda at the same time.

Strange.

it is eternal, meaning it occurs over and over again

40 weeks vs 38 weeks


New Years Day

Had he done as you suggest, you wouldn't be here typing this.

My guess is......

1.– A number of human beings must be completed at some point in time.

2.– The Roman Empire is the cornerstone of modern society, ergo it is only fitting for Him to have descended to us in that time.

There were quite a few people considered to be jewish saviors.
But none had Paul to revise and extend the message and publicize.
Paul changed christianity completely from being the "Jesus Bunch" for jews to Jesus for the gentiles too.
Once all the rules about what you can eat and the whacking of the foreskin were gone, it was a lot more appealing.

Good question,that's when his Mother was born.The Immaculate Conception.




of course!!! if it wasn't for Joseph and Mary Jesus would not have existed.

hey there was plenty of free nets there then

made doing what he did easier