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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47695140  Japan10/02/2013 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| SteamrolledGobias
User ID: 46787476 United States10/02/2013 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China holds only about 7% of the total US Debt. Quoting: Nexus-9 Its the Federal Reserve that holds the most debt, for which the American taxpayer is on the hook to repay. Many Americans do not know the Fed is a private banking cartel but when tax rates skyrocket they will start to ask "who is the Fed, really?" and is there any way to tell who the class A stockholders are in the Federal Reserve system? I know it's based on percentages of charter banks like Citi, JPM, Golman Sachs, etc. but I find it odd that we cannot determine who actually owns the majority percentage within this bank. clearly it's not a public institution if the shareholder's names are not even public. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20669764 United States10/02/2013 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China holds only about 7% of the total US Debt. Quoting: Nexus-9 Its the Federal Reserve that holds the most debt, for which the American taxpayer is on the hook to repay. Many Americans do not know the Fed is a private banking cartel but when tax rates skyrocket they will start to ask "who is the Fed, really?" And most of our national parks, as collateral for debt. |
| Widespread Franklin
User ID: 25646874 United States10/02/2013 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China holds only about 7% of the total US Debt. Quoting: Nexus-9 Its the Federal Reserve that holds the most debt, for which the American taxpayer is on the hook to repay. Many Americans do not know the Fed is a private banking cartel but when tax rates skyrocket they will start to ask "who is the Fed, really?" and is there any way to tell who the class A stockholders are in the Federal Reserve system? I know it's based on percentages of charter banks like Citi, JPM, Golman Sachs, etc. but I find it odd that we cannot determine who actually owns the majority percentage within this bank. clearly it's not a public institution if the shareholder's names are not even public.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34284054  Mexico10/02/2013 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the FED paying China? If it is paying in dollars then China is no better off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27586925 If it is paying in gold - where is the FED getting the gold? China is buying gold directly from mines and refiners, also quite likely directly via the LBMA - though we're not privy to that info. Have a look at gold imports for the last few years... and that's just the "official" numbers. China is also the largest domestic gold producer and they don't export any of it. China produces more gold than any other country, according to every international analyst I have ever seen, even though they are suspected of grossly under-reporting their production. Stop and think about that for a minute... who would benefit more from a Gold Standard than China? NOBODY Who has the US and NATO gone after for trading gold directly for oil, rather than brokering all deals in USD? Iran, Iraq, Libya, and Syria, so far... As oil becomes more scarce and more valuable, every play for power will focus on this one resource, and the means for securing it. Nat.Gas, solar, geothermal, barking frogs... anything that produces energy is good, but there is still no replacement for OIL as fuel for wholesale transportation of goods... WITHOUT OIL, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INTERNATIONAL ECONOMY So if the world returns to gold as it's standard currency, then China will have first claim on much of the world's oil, because they will be able to pay the "going rate" - hell, they'll be able to SET the going rate. The only nations which will be able to fight their dominance will be Russia and the US. We are the only two nations with sufficient domestic oil, and the military to use it to project force internationally, to compete against China on en economic playing field defined by GOLD. If the US collapses economically, then China's biggest competitor will essentially be "out of business"... So, if they play this correctly, China could be in control of 75% of all international trade within 20 years. Don't think they haven't contemplated this scenario... . Any questions? ------------------------------------------------------------ Yes, I have a small but important question. ¿What would happen if the proyected metheor (to fall in the north of atlantic ocean) moves all the oil resour- ces contained in USA and Uk? Or in fact ¿all of oil reserves of north western first world? ¿Is it possible they would become to catastrofic countries right away? And ¿What would the communists (China + Russia) would conquer at all? If they are willing to conquer catastro- fic lands ¿Could they raise them up to be usefull for their communist purposes? Or in any case: ¿Then would China close his fronteir lines for another 3 to 4,000 thousand years? Thank you ----------------------------------------------------------- |
| Gypsy Priest
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| dawnie
User ID: 46617826 United States10/02/2013 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the FED paying China? If it is paying in dollars then China is no better off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27586925 If it is paying in gold - where is the FED getting the gold? Using dollars to buy gold. China is using the $toilet paper to buy real money- gold. Last Edited by dawnie on 10/02/2013 07:35 PM A flag flown upside down is a symbol of a country in distress. As a result of the many traitors and enemies inside our own government and the many unconstitutional acts, legislation and atrocities passed and/or committed against our lives, liberty and property, as well as a reckless foreign policy meant to enrich and empower an already wealthy group of 'elites' while wreaking havoc around the globe and committing atrocities against large numbers of innocent peoples in the name of 'spreading democracy', the United States is no longer a free country and the lives of its citizens as well as the lives of our brothers and sisters around the globe, are in dire danger and distress. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47784967 United States10/02/2013 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another dumb ass. There is this little thing called the M.A.D card which means if China attempts to disrupt the status quo, its game over for them and the rest of the world as well. Ever hear of the "Solomon option" that Israel has? It's like that except financially, and globally. Canada is in. Mexico is in. Half of South America is in. All of Europe is in. 25% of Africa is in. 75% of Asia is in. Nice try but youre off by years. The game ends in 7 years. Thats when the real shit starts flying. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42765307 United States10/02/2013 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you! This was reported 18 months ago - China can now bypass Wall Street when buying U.S. government debt and go straight to the U.S. Treasury, in what is the Treasury’s first-ever direct relationship with a foreign government, according to documents viewed by Reuters. The relationship means the People’s Bank of China buys U.S. debt using a different method than any other central bank in the world. The other central banks, including the Bank of Japan, which has a large appetite for Treasuries, place orders for U.S. debt with major Wall Street banks designated by the government as primary dealers. Those dealers then bid on their behalf at Treasury auctions… But so far, I seem to be the only person who has connected the dots and come to this conclusion... Interesting theory, but we don't know if it's a two-way line or not. They can buy, but can they sell? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37842596 United States10/02/2013 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Buying gold is not the answer. People will shoot you for it if they find out you have it assuming the government doesn't raid you're house and seize everything themselves. Instead you are better off stocking up on valuable goods like toilet paper, soap and other cleaning supplies because THOSE will be very valuable in the coming months especially during a SHTF scenario. People will actually pay you gold or barter something valuable in exchange for a bar of soap when they go over a month without it or even toilet paper as these things will run out quick when the economy crashes and stores that do have them long lines will spill out the door in which you'll be controlled how much you can buy. The FEDS won't let you buy enough to last long. When China was more stricter on communism instead of being lax like they are now the stores and markets over there had long lines and supplies were rationed until the 90s when they allowed limited ownerships of businesses if you agree to the rules of the Communist Party. |
| davvi
User ID: 3677166 United States10/02/2013 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Secret talks going on this week in China - Insider speaks of worthless dollar in 3-4 weeks (Page 2) Quoting: LT Prepper I called this 18 months ago when I stated - The secure direct link (between US FED and BoC) is not so that China can buy US securities at a discount, or to hide their purchasing activities from the rest of the world, as has been suggested elsewhere. The primary purpose of this private, secure link is so that China can sell bonds which it already owns *back to the FED* quietly and directly, so as not to cause panic in the greater market. [link to ncrenegade.com] Yeah, the Chinese don't want to be left standing when the music stops... and neither do the treasonists in Washington DC, so they brokered a deal. We give you a main-line to cash in on before it all goes down, and you give us either 1) troops to help us quell the rebellion, or 2) safe passage out of the country so we can maintain a "government in exile", or some such crap.  They said that China would never stop buying our debt. China stopped buying our debt. They said China will never dumb our debt...LOL Don't ever give up your guns... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47784967 United States10/02/2013 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Secret talks going on this week in China - Insider speaks of worthless dollar in 3-4 weeks (Page 2) Quoting: LT Prepper I called this 18 months ago when I stated - The secure direct link (between US FED and BoC) is not so that China can buy US securities at a discount, or to hide their purchasing activities from the rest of the world, as has been suggested elsewhere. The primary purpose of this private, secure link is so that China can sell bonds which it already owns *back to the FED* quietly and directly, so as not to cause panic in the greater market. [link to ncrenegade.com] Yeah, the Chinese don't want to be left standing when the music stops... and neither do the treasonists in Washington DC, so they brokered a deal. We give you a main-line to cash in on before it all goes down, and you give us either 1) troops to help us quell the rebellion, or 2) safe passage out of the country so we can maintain a "government in exile", or some such crap. They said that China would never stop buying our debt. China stopped buying our debt. They said China will never dumb our debt...LOL Don't ever give up your guns... And they won't. Again, all you wanna-be financial experts here have no idea what you are talking about. The best character and example of that here is that wanna-be banker or ex-banker who sticks his middle finger at everyone. What a moron. The closest he ever got to being a banker was working as a greeter at your local bank trying to give you a free refrigerator magnet with every new account. The fact is there are protocols in place, globally, just to prevent this sort of thing so no one nation steps out of place. They know there are big GUNS backing that treaty they signed. The financial system as you know it will continue for at least 7 years more and probably longer when the new protocols are signed in 2020. Then there might be a major shift in power and petro dollar status. Until then its all speculation and fear mongering.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47777138  Canada10/02/2013 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yah...all short term liguid bonds...been going on for years now OP US is paying like 2% on the dollar and only (barely) paying off the interest on trade imbalance and the prospect for the patient aren't looking like they are going back to work anytime soon Currency war, deflation, outright default on debt..then war maybe 5 years out |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47777138 Canada10/02/2013 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yah...all short term liguid bonds...been going on for years now OP Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47777138 US is paying like 2% on the dollar and only (barely) paying off the interest on trade imbalance and the prospect for the patient aren't looking like they are going back to work anytime soon Currency war, deflation, outright default on debt..then war maybe 5 years out like the lousy brother/family member that keeps on borrowing but will cut you a new check or pay you next week for sure this time need a new big screen TV- you know I'm good for it |
| No More Lies
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 13773128 United States10/02/2013 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another dumb ass. There is this little thing called the M.A.D card which means if China attempts to disrupt the status quo, its game over for them and the rest of the world as well. Ever hear of the "Solomon option" that Israel has? It's like that except financially, and globally. Canada is in. Mexico is in. Half of South America is in. All of Europe is in. 25% of Africa is in. 75% of Asia is in. Nice try but youre off by years. The game ends in 7 years. Thats when the real shit starts flying. Uh, are you trying to think independently? |
| LT Prepper
(OP) User ID: 47767845 United States10/02/2013 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China and others have already moved from long-term to short-term treasuries. This alone signals we're nearing the endgame. Now, whoever gets out of ST Ts first gets the most benefit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45522689 Once it starts then only the Fed will be left to buy, which is also already pretty much happening. If a debt dump starts, it could all happen rather quickly. At that point confidence would be gone and it escalates fast. If China is indeed dumping, then they apparently have decided they have enough gold to make up for their losses on US debt. Of course this means gold would have to be MUCH higher, and it will be when the dust settles. ^^^^^ GETS IT ^^^^^ |
| LT Prepper
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 41205751 United States10/02/2013 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Counting reservists, and all available and potential persons to enlist, China has a army of 200 million. We have 1.6 million and a population of mind controlled, over weight zombies unfit for any kind of duty. 67 percent of people polled yesterday, had no idea what Obamacare was. Checkmate. aircraft carriers became obsolete a while ago. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47574966 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 41205751 United States10/02/2013 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Counting reservists, and all available and potential persons to enlist, China has a army of 200 million. We have 1.6 million and a population of mind controlled, over weight zombies unfit for any kind of duty. 67 percent of people polled yesterday, had no idea what Obamacare was. Checkmate. aircraft carriers became obsolete a while ago. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47574966 they dont need an army, they own us with 2 trillion worthn of bonds |
| LT Prepper
(OP) User ID: 47767845 United States10/02/2013 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the FED paying China? If it is paying in dollars then China is no better off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27586925 If it is paying in gold - where is the FED getting the gold? Using dollars to buy gold. No, "leasing" gold to China at a 'preferred rate' in return for China purchasing USTs at our ZIRP rate. When we default, China will claim the gold as couter-party security to the junk bonds. Bet on it... |
| hIndsIght2020
User ID: 20069010 United States10/02/2013 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see everybody has their doom goggles on. Just remember with the import/export reality between China & the US, our economies are practically intertwined, so it wouldn't be in the Chinese best interest to do anything that would seriously disrupt that relationship. |
| LT Prepper
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