"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" WTF?!

Okay dokey,

lets have the other side.

show us that this is not a real statement,

or show us where he contridicted himself.

There is coming a time in the near future when the choice to follow or not follow Christ will spiritually divide households by the sword of the spirit...if it has not already done so.

Choosing whom your true Father is will set you apart, cut away, from your earthly father if the earthly father does not believe that Jesus is the Way, the truth and the Life.

67344,

Sorry I missed the part where you disagree with Sunpar's statement,

I saw where you threatened with fear.

So I guess that is your way of agreeing with Sunpar, but not admitting to it.

oh so its the sword of the spirit now? if that is what jesus meant why didn't he say it? why are some things taken literally in the bible by christians and others metaphorically? perhaps they entire bible is metaphor.

Probably not a single one of the messiah's/prophets who became the composite "Jesus Christ" actually ever taught that. It sits out alone by itself and looks like it was inserted, by Constantine's people I'm sure, to justify their enforcing the new Catholic/Universal religion by conquest, war, and penalty of death throughout the Roman Empire.

I am right here to say that I can "change" my perceptions from day to day. That's what "will" is all about and I exercise it.

I put this out there because there are many contradictions that we run into in our everyday lives. I see this right now being played out by a person in power, and you know who I mena. He thinks that by his sword that he shall bring peace to the world. Is this where he got his "farce" of an idea? It could happen.

It's time for people to speak their individual truths! Yes, individual - which in this statement alone means that we are not a people of one truth - we are separate in that your truth is your truth and it is your right to express it. The fact is that if any one wants to force their truth on another by the sword, then this is thwarting our free will to choose. So, you can be WHOLE in this truth, yet separate with your individual actions. This is where people unite. It's all part of the same breath.

Sunpar

Wotif

If you seek the truth...... turn your thoughts inward..... not towards your desires and afflictions, but toward your spiritual thoughts...... thoughts that tell you there is a purpose and a reason for every moment that you live, thoughts that give credense to an eternal continuation..... There you will find answers to questions you may not have even asked yet.


One Truth.... many realities

scimita,

thank you!

Inward march!

*S*

put this out there because there are many contradictions that we run into in our everyday lives. I see this right now being played out by a person in power, and you know who I mena. He thinks that by his sword that he shall bring peace to the world. Is this where he got his "farce" of an idea? It could happen.

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I think you people should read the entire book instead of trying to peice it together by your own ability to understand.

The only One who ever walked this earth and fulfilled this scripture spoken above is Christ. And He spoke of this scripture in the spiritual sense and pertaining to the spiritual side of humanity. If you understood the entire chapter you would plainly see this is what Jesus meant. It has nothing to do with the physical realm of earthly wars and battles that we perceive. Nor does what Jesus spoke have anything to do with causing physical harm to others.

2 Corinthians 6:13-15

13 As a fair exchange—I speak as to my children—open wide your hearts also.

14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?

15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?

This is so fucking ridiculous. If we were only to listen to Jesus words, then why the fuck are there 66 books in the bible and many more if you count the ones not deemed fit to be put there. The bible only sets in motion confusion and that's what we get. Interpretation is the manifestation of this book and that was it's purpose….. so interpret away I shall!

Sunpar

SunPar....


IMHO..... I believe there is a way things ARE, even in the absence of human consciousness..... that is Truth.

The construct of human consciousness reveals that REALITY is what individuals, based on the information their senses provide them and their reasoning capabilities, create from their own reference...... this may or may not over lap with elements of the Truth.

If existence is infinite then the extent of truth is infinite, therefore we do not have the capability to know and comprehend the entire Truth..... only small pieces......IMHO

That's my reality


One Truth..... many realities

There is no conflict in Truth....
Only in individual realities.

"If existence is infinite then the extent of truth is infinite, therefore we do not have the capability to know and comprehend the entire Truth..... only small pieces......" (scimita)

That's why we are always "works in progress - realities in process."

Thanks.

Sunpar

Some work harder than others.....He He

What up sunny!

Corinthians 6:13-15

13 As a fair exchange—I speak as to my children—open wide your hearts also.

14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?

15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
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Fisrt of all jesus didn't write what you have posted here, or anything else in the bible for that matter. It wasn't even claimed that the other characters marc and luke, mattew or john wrote these words. They are attributed to Paul in his address to the corinthians. Not one WORD in the bible new or old testament was written by jesus((not one))- so it stands that they are ALL translation, subject to interpretation, with all the biases/lies/misunderstandings that that implies.

As for the poster that said "you people shpuld read the whole bible", you need to allow people their own trasnlation of that disjointed book.

If we were only to listen to Jesus words, then why the fuck are there 66 books in the bible and many more if you count the ones not deemed fit to be put there. The bible only sets in motion confusion and that's what we get. Interpretation is the manifestation of this book and that was it's purpose….. so interpret away I shall!
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The Word of God is Jesus Christ. And it isn't that what Jesus spoke is any more God's Word to humanity than the rest of the scriptures. Jesus instead fulfills the Word of God, which is life, and truth and freedom to whoever receives His grace.

This is spiritual, and in order to receive the Word of God, a person MUST recieve Christ. Only then will the truth be implanted in your spirit, by the authority and power of the HOly Spirit, resurrecting us spiritually to life from death.

The Word of God is Jesus Christ. And it isn't that what Jesus spoke is any more God's Word to humanity than the rest of the scriptures. Jesus instead fulfills the Word of God, which is life, and truth and freedom to whoever receives His grace.

This is spiritual, and in order to receive the Word of God, a person MUST recieve Christ. Only then will the truth be implanted in your spirit, by the authority and power of the HOly Spirit, resurrecting us spiritually to life from death.
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Listen, just because you were sold a bill of goods does not mean that everyone else has to buy it. This is what you have been sold or believe, however, it is just that-a belief-and a belief in and of itself, by its very nature, is an expression of uncertainty.

Hey mathmatician! Call me!

What up sunny!

Corinthians 6:13-15

13 As a fair exchange—I speak as to my children—open wide your hearts also.

14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?

15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
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Fisrt of all jesus didn't write what you have posted here, or anything else in the bible for that matter.
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You missed the entire purpose of the scripture I shared.

Jesus is the light, and there is no harmony between the light of Christ and the darkness of the world. Whoever is not in Christ is in darkness. And Jesus is bringig His sword of Justice to the darkness of this world. He has defeated and destroyed the stronghold of death and darkness the reigned over the world. So in order for the righteousness of God to reign, the authority of satan and death upon this world needs to be destroyed. This is what Cherist has done, so yes He did not come to make peace with the world in its state of darkness and death, He came to destroy it. And whoever is not with Him is against Him.

"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"

75563
Again!

This is what you have been sold or believe, however, it is just that-A BELEIF-and a BELIEF in and of itself, by its very nature, is an expression of uncertainty.

Listen, just because you were sold a bill of goods does not mean that everyone else has to buy it. This is what you have been sold or believe, however, it is just that-a belief-and a belief in and of itself, by its very nature, is an expression of uncertainty.
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The only uncertainty is in your own ignorance. Because that is all you have is uncertainty. And all you have any ability to do is cast your own doubt upon others. You offer no certainty in your own doubt.

By the way, no one can sell you a bill of goods, regarding to the truth. You either have been given the free gift of the Holy Spirit by receiving Christ or you haven't. If you have, then you know He is the Truth. If you haven't then you are unable to discern that Jesus is nothing more than a fable.

But who is really trying to feed someone a bill of goods in this converation. You or Me?

Because I see you as the culprit who is trying to sell doubt. Trying to sell something that you don't have any knowledge of.

it is just that-A BELEIF-and a BELIEF in and of itself, by its very nature, is an expression of uncertainty.
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And here is the difference between us. You see a belief as uncertainty and I know in Whom I believe. There is no uncertainty in my belief, because my belief is based on substance which has gone beyond the norm as belief is viwed and has moved ito the greater ceratinty of faith.

So in order for the righteousness of God to reign, the authority of satan and death upon this world needs to be destroyed. This is what Cherist has done, so yes He did not come to make peace with the world in its state of darkness and death, He came to destroy it. And whoever is not with Him is against Him.

"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"
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This translates into doing away with all unbelievers, even if they are of your own family, since anyone who is not of Christ is of Satan, even it is just "unbelief", not evil & selfish actions, that separate them. Unbelief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is considered "unrighteousness" by Christians. So it equated in history to enforcing the Christian religion, or "God's righteousness" on people by violence. And that is why the US Constitution was drawn up to have a separation of Church and Government, so that the Church could not use the Government to enforce its brand of truth on everyone else. We call those times the Dark Ages, when Christianity ruled the Western World through the power of government.

If Mathematician chooses to use the numbers of his equations to deal with life, so be it.


Everyone has a master that they are slave to.

The Sacred Prostitute, the Beast, and the Goddess Energy. You think?

This is to be about the "judgment" of the whore who sets upon the many "waters." She sits on the clues of many a different faith or belief system.

She has been fucked with by the rulers of this system and as the result of her prostituting herself, all of humanity has been made as if they are drunk - they have lost their senses to the truth before them.

In his vision, John was carried to the far country or as it was referred to, the wilderness. There he would bear witness to this woman sitting upon a scarlet colored beast who's seven heads represented the seven major beliefs and the ten horns represented the ten major governments of this age in time.

This woman is the Sacred Prostitute and she rides the beast of the Goddess Energy holding knowledge of all religions in the chalice. And with this information shall you be released from the muck and mud of this old order; the filthy and corrupt system who believes that war is an end to the means.

Upon her forehead her name was written as a mystery. She was still the Mother and she was ruthless. But because of her mystery, this great one (this great energy - this Sacred Prostitute - this Goddess energy) was held in extreme disgust and hatred by the far county's inhabitants. She was so misunderstood.

And when John witnessed this, he held the mystery woman in high regard. He saw that she was full with knowledge from drinking from the chalice of saints and that of Jesus, the one whom he had come to know to have great wisdom.

The angel looked at him and asked him "what the fuck is wrong with you? Why do you admire this whore and the beast of which she is riding?

The angel went on to say, "The beast that you have witness is no more than a figment of your imagination. It represents the ultimate illusion. It has risen from man's rule, man's so-called democracy and has now been exposed and rendered obsolete - it is very pissed."

The seven heads represent the seven major belief systems, which are shown to be seven mountains. These are the paths that the people of the far country climb to attain their very own self realization.

Five rulers have fallen, one still is, yet there is still one to come who will continue until all is revealed.
The Goddess energy is the energy of Sophia or the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit. Day eight is her day. The eighth day has begun. But it is really day one of the new cosmic cycle, therefore will be rendered obsolete once recognized.

The controllers of the present governments and governing religions of the eighth day will remain for a brief time. Their days are numbered as in the "hour of the beginning of the cycle." Soon they will dissipate and no longer retain power over earth's people. Truth runs in the veins of the beastly Goddess Energy. No stone will be left unturned. All will be revealed in this hour.

(To be continued - maybe.)

© Sunpar 5-15-06

whatever you want to believe you can find in the bible.

one of the reasons christianity is so popular and has spread faster than other religions is because it is open to intrepretation. now I know many so called "christians" wouldn't agree. but it's the truth. what other major religion besides hinduism, has hundreds perhaps thousands of different churches/sect? none. the bible is great for cherry picking relgiious types.

If you believe in and LOVE Jesus
Whole-heartedly.. You will know what to
do. If you do this, You will never say
he contradicts himself.. He did everything for YOU. YOU must beleive this.

We call those times the Dark Ages, when Christianity ruled the Western World through the power of government.
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This is all dependent upon what you consider is Christian or not.

Being a Christian, I cannot say that there has ever been a Christian governement in any century. The very thought of this is impossible and this is the separation that Jesus was talking about bringing to enmity with His Word.