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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/27/2013 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think platinum will once again signal the end of the perceived deflation and the commodities reflation trade will be reborn. Take a look at the arc on platinum. It bottoms out of the washout crash in 2008 and then rises up into a nice bounce which has been rolling over since commodities topped out in 2011. If you trace the highs of the arc from left to right you can see they point to mid+ 2014 for bottoming. [link to finviz.com] A theory for how it could play out is we continue this commodity downtrend for another quarter or two and then we finally get a much needed broad market sell off in stocks ( just a serious correction) that causes the baby to get thrown out with the bath water so to speak and that could mark the true bottom in the metals. When and if that happens I doubt people will run for safety in metals as much as they are currently despised. So they'll be sold too. But even after that bottom we could have subsequent bounces and retests that linger for another year thereafter. That actually sets us up nicely for Armstrongs gold rally at the end of 2015 and on into 2017+. Last Edited by Chucklebutt on 11/27/2013 03:29 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45181384 United States 11/27/2013 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If they can tax it or take it or remove you away from it, its not really yours, is it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48918939 I suppose they could try, but humans are pretty resourceful. They will find a way around confiscation or taxation. Realistically, no different than....... [link to www.telegraph.co.uk] Life always finds a way. |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/27/2013 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you go to the Daily Job Cuts website and look at Nov 26, two big mining companies just announced major job cuts due to the dropping price of gold....When more mining operations go belly up the supply will diminish and then its Game On! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50299858 This will eventually play out in our favor. It'll be fuel for the next reflation. Right now, I ignore all the manipulation/ shortage propaganda and focus on where platinum finds bottom. Its coming in spite of the stories. Besides, I'm too busy researching the cycles of commodities to read about stuff I can't control. I plan to be positioned as best I can when the bottom comes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29080459 Netherlands 11/27/2013 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been thinking of scoring some silver coins monthly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48759025 Thinking about the Canadian maple leaf 1 ounce coin. Anyway my question is this... If the dollar crashed what do you think silver would climb too?? Reason I say that is this video I watched about what may come to pass on sept 13th 2015. [link to m.youtube.com] Thanks if your money turns 10 times less valuable and your gain from the silver would be 10 times more than you putt into it then youd still only be able to buy the same ammount of stuff you would be able to buy from your money now (still better than at that time having 10 times less to spend) i guess what im trying to say is that if it really crashes you shouldnt sell it for dollars. does that make sense? seems logic to me altho i am not sure lol maybe i should sell dollars now and buy them back when it crashes? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29080459 Netherlands 11/27/2013 04:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok but what if im buying it in euros? also. what if i were to sell off dollars now, buy them back when theyve dropped in price and than use the money id make of that to buy silver in euros? that would double the money, not? Who knows? The only thing for certain is that countries around the world are devaluing their currencies intentionally so that their exports remain strong and their inflation goes abroad. That being the case, there is no safe currency to hop into, just a carousel of currencies that are worth less than they were the day before. Strength is relative when you are racing to the bottom. China has expanded its financial balance sheet by 50% more than the assets of all global central banks combined, but they are snatching up gold as fast as they can. It would seem to me obvious what the endgame is. It is the same endgame everytime you try to clip coins or print to infinity. Trust is lost, and at that point all that really matters are things of real tangible and fungible value. Paper is a promise. so what you are saying is i shouldnt even mather about trading. rather just invest as much as possible into hard currency like presiouse metals because in the end all money will crash? is that correct? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29080459 Netherlands 11/27/2013 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok but what if im buying it in euros? also. what if i were to sell off dollars now, buy them back when theyve dropped in price and than use the money id make of that to buy silver in euros? that would double the money, not? saw a commercial on one of the business channels this morning, and i have to say, it really has me thinking and trying to put a bunch of pieces together. it was for old uncirculated silver dollars that were stored away for decades and are now selling them 20 at a time for 20 dollars each with a 21st for only a buck. now from what i understand, there are more contracts on each piece of silver than there are on gold, silver has more than 10,000 industrial uses, and there is much less above ground metal that meets demand. i am left wondering that if the price of metals is supposed to skyrocket, why is the general impetus to sell all silver, and not hoard knowing what the upside should be? is there new technology that no longer needs silver? is there a comet on the way making money useless, let alone any of earth's resources? is this the greatest wealth transfer in history? if everyone knows the true value of silver, you have to ask yourself why larger brokers would sell in this market. in my opinion, something wicked cometh. don't get me wrong, i have my own silver. I 100% agree with you. Just looking around at what is happening the last couple of years it seems like everyone is selling out, raping all thats left. why? is it just because thats how it evolved or is there more? have we just collectively given up? Something is up. all i could think off without involving doom is a new blobal way of currency. and it is obviouse. we used to have countrys with currencies, now we probably have many companys that are by themselfs bigger and financialy stronger than some countries. I mean something has to change some time. What if some already know it is coming and before it happenes they want to get all that is left out of this system? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23138750 United States 11/28/2013 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok but what if im buying it in euros? also. what if i were to sell off dollars now, buy them back when theyve dropped in price and than use the money id make of that to buy silver in euros? that would double the money, not? Who knows? The only thing for certain is that countries around the world are devaluing their currencies intentionally so that their exports remain strong and their inflation goes abroad. That being the case, there is no safe currency to hop into, just a carousel of currencies that are worth less than they were the day before. Strength is relative when you are racing to the bottom. China has expanded its financial balance sheet by 50% more than the assets of all global central banks combined, but they are snatching up gold as fast as they can. It would seem to me obvious what the endgame is. It is the same endgame everytime you try to clip coins or print to infinity. Trust is lost, and at that point all that really matters are things of real tangible and fungible value. Paper is a promise. so what you are saying is i shouldnt even mather about trading. rather just invest as much as possible into hard currency like presiouse metals because in the end all money will crash? is that correct? That's my thought. I try to keep about 6 months of living expenses in USD, cash, outside the reach of banks or anybody but me. Beyond that, I invest in toilet paper, ammunition, other supplies, some additional long term food storage now and then, and THEN silver and gold. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4396096 United States 11/28/2013 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still looking for $1000 gold/ $15 silver, give or take 10% before we really turn around these markets. Any fellow PM tards left? lol Quoting: Punk-A$$ets I'm not sure we'll ever see that again. 1200 gold and 20 silver, maybe. And then i might have a little shopping spree. 1200 gold and 20 silver maybe you say? You might want to check the price of silver and gold as silver is less than $20 and gold is in the 1200 range now. |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/29/2013 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the more than a year old downtrend remains in place and we dont get an immediate waterfall crash, we could see a rally up to the $1300 level due at the end of December 2013 before resuming the downtrend again. Take a straight edge and draw a line on the tops of the rallies since last oct: [link to finviz.com] However, if we get that next downtrend after another month, its coming awfully close to the $1200 level. So that sets us up for an end of Jan $1180 retest? It'll be interesting! Last Edited by Chucklebutt on 11/29/2013 08:11 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24824817 United States 11/29/2013 08:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If(?) all the data is being manipulated. How can you keep referring to things like Staunch Support, Robust Support, draw a line, use this data? Looks to me like they are dragging you and the rest of us around with the "Data Matters" string. The Data is manipulated. Do not use it. punked |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/29/2013 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Punk, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24824817 If(?) all the data is being manipulated. How can you keep referring to things like Staunch Support, Robust Support, draw a line, use this data? Looks to me like they are dragging you and the rest of us around with the "Data Matters" string. The Data is manipulated. Do not use it. punked Because its there for anyone to see. Aside from short term movements in gold and silver, I dont believe in the manipulation stories and dont follow them. I think its just nonsense from sore PM investors to make themselves feel better about the current situation. The major chart support is at $1000 and even stronger support at $700. If a short term manipulation can get us to the bottom faster, I say great. I detached myself from the dogma long ago. So gold can go up for 13 years straight but not a have a down year or 2? C'mon man, that just sounds like whining. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1700323 United States 11/29/2013 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Punk, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24824817 If(?) all the data is being manipulated. How can you keep referring to things like Staunch Support, Robust Support, draw a line, use this data? Looks to me like they are dragging you and the rest of us around with the "Data Matters" string. The Data is manipulated. Do not use it. punked Because its there for anyone to see. Aside from short term movements in gold and silver, I dont believe in the manipulation stories and dont follow them. I think its just nonsense from sore PM investors to make themselves feel better about the current situation. The major chart support is at $1000 and even stronger support at $700. If a short term manipulation can get us to the bottom faster, I say great. I detached myself from the dogma long ago. So gold can go up for 13 years straight but not a have a down year or 2? C'mon man, that just sounds like whining. Don't believe in manipulation? No way that 40 billion a month pumped via fiat into the market is used to short metals. That would be crazy. Just because each ounce is leveraged 60 to 1 doesn't mean its manipulated. just because the bank of China is using the trillions in dollas it has to drive down the paper price yet vacuuming the phiz from the west- no manipulation here! |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/29/2013 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take a look at this 10 year chart of gold: [link to www.kitco.com] Look at the 1st time we went to the 700 level back in mid 2005. We retested it 2.5 years later in late 2008. 1000 gold has NEVER been back tested. Thats why I think we're headed back to at least $1100 if not $900. That'd be enough to convince everyone we're going down to $650 or $700. How many gold mines could survive $700 gold? This will all be fuel for the next leg up. Why would I worry about BS manipulation given all this real data? |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/29/2013 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Punk, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24824817 If(?) all the data is being manipulated. How can you keep referring to things like Staunch Support, Robust Support, draw a line, use this data? Looks to me like they are dragging you and the rest of us around with the "Data Matters" string. The Data is manipulated. Do not use it. punked Because its there for anyone to see. Aside from short term movements in gold and silver, I dont believe in the manipulation stories and dont follow them. I think its just nonsense from sore PM investors to make themselves feel better about the current situation. The major chart support is at $1000 and even stronger support at $700. If a short term manipulation can get us to the bottom faster, I say great. I detached myself from the dogma long ago. So gold can go up for 13 years straight but not a have a down year or 2? C'mon man, that just sounds like whining. Don't believe in manipulation? No way that 40 billion a month pumped via fiat into the market is used to short metals. That would be crazy. Just because each ounce is leveraged 60 to 1 doesn't mean its manipulated. just because the bank of China is using the trillions in dollas it has to drive down the paper price yet vacuuming the phiz from the west- no manipulation here! Knock yourself out worrying about it. What can you do about it except whine? It wont make a bit of difference when the gold price breaks down again and that right soon. It's just shoveling shit against the tide. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 48090126 United States 11/29/2013 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just for shits and giggles I call a possible bottom for gold and silver and commodities summer/fall of 2014. Why? Quoting: Punk-A$$ets I think platinum will once again signal the end of the perceived deflation and the commodities reflation trade will be reborn. Take a look at the arc on platinum. It bottoms out of the washout crash in 2008 and then rises up into a nice bounce which has been rolling over since commodities topped out in 2011. If you trace the highs of the arc from left to right you can see they point to mid+ 2014 for bottoming. [link to finviz.com] A theory for how it could play out is we continue this commodity downtrend for another quarter or two and then we finally get a much needed broad market sell off in stocks ( just a serious correction) that causes the baby to get thrown out with the bath water so to speak and that could mark the true bottom in the metals. When and if that happens I doubt people will run for safety in metals as much as they are currently despised. So they'll be sold too. But even after that bottom we could have subsequent bounces and retests that linger for another year thereafter. That actually sets us up nicely for Armstrongs gold rally at the end of 2015 and on into 2017+. Somewhat agree, I say they announce (for the effect) somekind of taper while they pump the economy "off book" to hammer the price of the metals With the up coming BIS basel rule change for tier assets they will need to shake the weak hands. Then we will get a skyrocket in the metals prices to "stop out" all the weakies. |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/29/2013 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just for shits and giggles I call a possible bottom for gold and silver and commodities summer/fall of 2014. Why? Quoting: Punk-A$$ets I think platinum will once again signal the end of the perceived deflation and the commodities reflation trade will be reborn. Take a look at the arc on platinum. It bottoms out of the washout crash in 2008 and then rises up into a nice bounce which has been rolling over since commodities topped out in 2011. If you trace the highs of the arc from left to right you can see they point to mid+ 2014 for bottoming. [link to finviz.com] A theory for how it could play out is we continue this commodity downtrend for another quarter or two and then we finally get a much needed broad market sell off in stocks ( just a serious correction) that causes the baby to get thrown out with the bath water so to speak and that could mark the true bottom in the metals. When and if that happens I doubt people will run for safety in metals as much as they are currently despised. So they'll be sold too. But even after that bottom we could have subsequent bounces and retests that linger for another year thereafter. That actually sets us up nicely for Armstrongs gold rally at the end of 2015 and on into 2017+. Somewhat agree, I say they announce (for the effect) somekind of taper while they pump the economy "off book" to hammer the price of the metals With the up coming BIS basel rule change for tier assets they will need to shake the weak hands. Then we will get a skyrocket in the metals prices to "stop out" all the weakies. Yep. China gold imports steadily rising not because they expect the long term trend to be down. People wont believe it when gold rises above $2k and then $3k etc. What do you think about silvers low and then also about where its headed? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24824817 United States 11/29/2013 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aw cmon Punk, i aint whining we know the LIBOR is manipulated we know the Unemployment Data is manipulated we know the DOW is manipulated, plunge protection team im in for buy low, sell high, but why keep using THEIR manipulated data? i dont care why silver goes down, i buy it |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/29/2013 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aw cmon Punk, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24824817 i aint whining we know the LIBOR is manipulated we know the Unemployment Data is manipulated we know the DOW is manipulated, plunge protection team im in for buy low, sell high, but why keep using THEIR manipulated data? i dont care why silver goes down, i buy it I didnt say I didnt believe in manipulation. But we had a blow off top in 2011 and we're in a genuine bear market. I just dont believe that kind of trend can be anything but natural. Small, multi month manipulations that countertrend? Sure. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 43698054 Germany 11/29/2013 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are a few of us left standing. not freaked at all. last time i checked my stack had not changed. still the same number of ounces. when i was growing up a 16oz coke cost .10 cents, a pack of smokes .25 cents, a half pint of milk .05 cents, a fill up at the gas station cost 4 bucks, whole chickens cost .19 cents a pound and a brand new ford mustang cost 3k. saving in fiat is for suckers. now the banksters are talk'n bout charging a fee to deposit money into an account. they say that savings are outpacing investments so there is excess savings. tptb don't like excess savings sitting in the banks, they want you to spend it to increase the velocity of money. the bankesters then say people will just hoard their cash at home to avoid the deposit fee. tptb have said that's not a problem, we will just transition to a cashless economy so the sheep are forced to carry a bank balance that the banksters can rape at will. it's all about enriching the banksters and screwing the average citizen. not worried at all. keep stacking. |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/29/2013 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The way some have bought PM's they should Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50762493 be buying Bitcoins today. Buy High. What an incredible phenomenon this bitcoin. I have no history to gauge its performance. Therefore I'll stand aside. FIAT Money this to shall pass (fail) I def think this will either be shut down or heavily regulated to chase people away. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50761599 United States 11/29/2013 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The way some have bought PM's they should Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50762493 be buying Bitcoins today. Buy High. What an incredible phenomenon this bitcoin. I have no history to gauge its performance. Therefore I'll stand aside. FIAT Money this to shall pass (fail) I def think this will either be shut down or heavily regulated to chase people away. The bankers will always have a new ponzi scheme in the works! Hope you nice day yesterday! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 48250869 United States 11/29/2013 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because its there for anyone to see. Aside from short term movements in gold and silver, I dont believe in the manipulation stories and dont follow them. I think its just nonsense from sore PM investors to make themselves feel better about the current situation. The major chart support is at $1000 and even stronger support at $700. If a short term manipulation can get us to the bottom faster, I say great. I detached myself from the dogma long ago. So gold can go up for 13 years straight but not a have a down year or 2? C'mon man, that just sounds like whining. Quoting: Punk-A$$ets So maybe you're indeed a shill after all... even Feds and JPM admitted it indirectly (in the name of national security), Asian bankers know about it, and now you're saying it's just market... |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/29/2013 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are a few of us left standing. not freaked at all. last time i checked my stack had not changed. still the same number of ounces. when i was growing up a 16oz coke cost .10 cents, a pack of smokes .25 cents, a half pint of milk .05 cents, a fill up at the gas station cost 4 bucks, whole chickens cost .19 cents a pound and a brand new ford mustang cost 3k. saving in fiat is for suckers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43698054 now the banksters are talk'n bout charging a fee to deposit money into an account. they say that savings are outpacing investments so there is excess savings. tptb don't like excess savings sitting in the banks, they want you to spend it to increase the velocity of money. the bankesters then say people will just hoard their cash at home to avoid the deposit fee. tptb have said that's not a problem, we will just transition to a cashless economy so the sheep are forced to carry a bank balance that the banksters can rape at will. it's all about enriching the banksters and screwing the average citizen. not worried at all. keep stacking. I'm definitely still stacking. Every month like clockwork. No one knows when this thing turns back up. Its all a guess. I use the price of bread to gauge inflation. It doubles every 10 years like clock work give or take 10%. Admittingly, I invest the trend though so I am waiting for the low in the PMs to get the bulk of our savings repositioned. I dont know what I'll do if we get neg rates. Thats just the craziest thing ever. These fools will surely cause a catastrophe will the implementation of those plans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50011811 United Kingdom 11/29/2013 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree. I think if we can just get down to the true bottoms the tide will turn in a big way. Roughly $1000 seems to be the real target. Quoting: Punk-A$$ets www.finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=GC&p=w1 I'm actually going to be concentrating on silver for this new reflation. IMO Its going to be one for the history books. You're so full of shit. Your predictions are way off. |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/29/2013 11:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because its there for anyone to see. Aside from short term movements in gold and silver, I dont believe in the manipulation stories and dont follow them. I think its just nonsense from sore PM investors to make themselves feel better about the current situation. The major chart support is at $1000 and even stronger support at $700. If a short term manipulation can get us to the bottom faster, I say great. I detached myself from the dogma long ago. So gold can go up for 13 years straight but not a have a down year or 2? C'mon man, that just sounds like whining. Quoting: Punk-A$$ets So maybe you're indeed a shill after all... even Feds and JPM admitted it indirectly (in the name of national security), Asian bankers know about it, and now you're saying it's just market... Its your world boss. Maybe tomorrow we can find the yeti and bigfoot. Or we can make a net and trap some pixies. Do you really believe the broad stokes of those multi decade charts are fake? Do you really think these bankers and govts can successfully rig markets? If that was the case the banks would never need bailouts and govts wouldnt fall. You give way too much credit to these people. |
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(OP) User ID: 30559668 United States 11/29/2013 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree. I think if we can just get down to the true bottoms the tide will turn in a big way. Roughly $1000 seems to be the real target. Quoting: Punk-A$$ets www.finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=GC&p=w1 I'm actually going to be concentrating on silver for this new reflation. IMO Its going to be one for the history books. You're so full of shit. Your predictions are way off. Last Edited by Chucklebutt on 11/29/2013 12:00 PM |