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Lady Jane Smith
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47705711 United Kingdom 10/24/2013 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, the use of that one word I find deeply worrisome.. It, and the notion of Utopia was coined by a guy who was also quite happy to kill (read burn at a stake) those who thought differently to him.. So for me, Utopia represents a society where all those who think differently are killed to ensure only certain thoughts are allowed.. I can't help but feel such a society is actually bad.. |
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darkwolf007
User ID: 17118957 United States 10/24/2013 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sadly that is accurate. For most people these days, an ideal utopia is entirely Corrupt, vicious, and evil... much like the U.S. is today. Though the utopia that Atlantis' best leader had before Lucifer stole the Office from that leader from what my research has shown, thus far, that utopian society was at least the very best and damn near literally perfect for all species. Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker. A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us." -- St. Anthony The Great Social Credit Loser here. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47539498 Germany 10/24/2013 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Curious on Peoples point of views or Ideas as to why...Especially considering an utopian society is VERY possible today, and is the only option long term for our planet and our people to co-exist on an advanced technical level. Quoting: Enki 1551413 Yet people often call taboo on the idea thinking it more as communistic ideas than Practical needs to adapt and survive. Its time to Live in a star trek esq. World. Yeah, it's a real Utopia, until you realize you are the one who has to clean the shit out of the sewer each day. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 37478943 United States 10/24/2013 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many reasons.... 1. They can't comprehend (no imagination) 2. They don't want it (they are corrupt) 3. They are afraid. If you can't perceive it, it's not going to happen. Most of the comments in here up to this post prove this point. I'm not exactly sure where a utopian society means you would kill people who have different THOUGHTS (that sounds a lot like a NWO police state and not a utopia). |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1551413 United States 10/24/2013 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Utopian in this Definitive Phrase would be for "Perfection" An ideally perfect place, especially in its social, political, and moral aspects. Towns and homes Built and Equipped with Self sustaining Energy machines aka tesla coils, Solar panels or both. Homes Built and equipped with Green houses to self sustain Nutritional foods. Education systems that focus on the aspects of Nature, Farming and Advanced technology and its requirements to be Green and economically safe long term not and short term. Vehicles that leave the disgusting Fossil fueled combustion engines to rot in museums. Non of this is Hard to accomplish all the technology and knowledge is there. This is no communism, corrupt social reform or NWO bullshit..this is Mandatory for long term co-existence with this planet. Money would be damn near meaningless or most likely an advance no bullshit credit system for currency. (that alone is going to happen no matter what give or take the no bs part). Ego, greed, and ignorance keeps man down. change it. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1551413 United States 10/24/2013 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many reasons.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37478943 1. They can't comprehend (no imagination) 2. They don't want it (they are corrupt) 3. They are afraid. If you can't perceive it, it's not going to happen. Most of the comments in here up to this post prove this point. I'm not exactly sure where a utopian society means you would kill people who have different THOUGHTS (that sounds a lot like a NWO police state and not a utopia). Thank you, you saved me from ranting about the inability to comprehend such a feasible idea that most people seem to be suffering with. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32515097 United Kingdom 10/24/2013 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Curious on Peoples point of views or Ideas as to why...Especially considering an utopian society is VERY possible today, and is the only option long term for our planet and our people to co-exist on an advanced technical level. Quoting: Enki 1551413 Yet people often call taboo on the idea thinking it more as communistic ideas than Practical needs to adapt and survive. Its time to Live in a star trek esq. World. I'm against it because Utopianism has to be IMPOSED, by ruthless men with guns. I prefer anarcho-capitalism. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34216426 United States 10/24/2013 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay Apparently people here tend to Assume the money we use to fund stuff is limited that is false due to the current corrupt Profit mongering corporate societys we live in today that I understand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1551413 Utopian in this Definitive Phrase would be for "Perfection" An ideally perfect place, especially in its social, political, and moral aspects. Towns and homes Built and Equipped with Self sustaining Energy machines aka tesla coils, Solar panels or both. Homes Built and equipped with Green houses to self sustain Nutritional foods. Education systems that focus on the aspects of Nature, Farming and Advanced technology and its requirements to be Green and economically safe long term not and short term. Vehicles that leave the disgusting Fossil fueled combustion engines to rot in museums. Non of this is Hard to accomplish all the technology and knowledge is there. This is no communism, corrupt social reform or NWO bullshit..this is Mandatory for long term co-existence with this planet. Money would be damn near meaningless or most likely an advance no bullshit credit system for currency. (that alone is going to happen no matter what give or take the no bs part). Ego, greed, and ignorance keeps man down. change it. You can do all of this right now, yourself, without involving anyone else. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32069520 United States 10/24/2013 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Curious on Peoples point of views or Ideas as to why...Especially considering an utopian society is VERY possible today, and is the only option long term for our planet and our people to co-exist on an advanced technical level. Quoting: Enki 1551413 Yet people often call taboo on the idea thinking it more as communistic ideas than Practical needs to adapt and survive. Its time to Live in a star trek esq. World. This happened. [link to townhall.com] What goes unappreciated is that socialists and communists have produced the greatest evil in mankind's history. You say, "Williams, what in the world are you talking about? Socialists, communists and their fellow travelers care about the little guy in his struggle for a fair shake! They're trying to promote social justice." Let's look at some of the history of socialism and communism. Nazism is a form of socialism. In fact, Nazi stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party. Nazis murdered 20 million of their own people and in nations they captured. The unspeakable acts of Adolf Hitler's Socialist Workers' Party pale in comparison to the horrors committed in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin and their successors murdered, or were otherwise responsible for the deaths of, 62 million of their own people. Between 1949 and 1987, Mao Tse-tung and his successors were responsible for the deaths of 76 million Chinese. The most authoritative tally of history's most murderous regimes is in a book by University of Hawaii's Professor Rudolph J. Rummel, "Death by Government." A wealth of information is provided at his website. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23764026 United States 10/24/2013 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My idea of a Utopian society is one that absolutes no longer exist therefore, in the existence of my Utopia, the idea of a Utopia would no longer exist, and thus it would no longer be a Utopia, but a way people were living and trying to get by. The same as it has been sense the creation of this human comedy. Utopia is a word that a$$holes use to sell idiots on an idea that will get them to do what they want. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34216426 United States 10/24/2013 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2226485 Does this society include running tap water that is clean and safe to drink? Pure h20 distilled water no mineral bs no fluoride, PERFECTION. Again, you can do all of this yourself. Yet, here you are, seeking to recruit and draft labor and resources into your "movement". |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2226485 United States 10/24/2013 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2226485 Does this society include running tap water that is clean and safe to drink? Pure h20 distilled water no mineral bs no fluoride, PERFECTION. Good...provide that to the entire planet and then report back to me with the next step in your little plan and we'll talk. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 48858888 United Kingdom 10/24/2013 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My idea of a Utopian society is one that absolutes no longer exist therefore, in the existence of my Utopia, the idea of a Utopia would no longer exist, and thus it would no longer be a Utopia, but a way people were living and trying to get by. The same as it has been sense the creation of this human comedy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23764026 Utopia is a word that a$$holes use to sell idiots on an idea that will get them to do what they want. yep, normally Commies too |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34216426 United States 10/24/2013 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Curious on Peoples point of views or Ideas as to why...Especially considering an utopian society is VERY possible today, and is the only option long term for our planet and our people to co-exist on an advanced technical level. Quoting: Enki 1551413 Yet people often call taboo on the idea thinking it more as communistic ideas than Practical needs to adapt and survive. Its time to Live in a star trek esq. World. This happened. [link to townhall.com] What goes unappreciated is that socialists and communists have produced the greatest evil in mankind's history. You say, "Williams, what in the world are you talking about? Socialists, communists and their fellow travelers care about the little guy in his struggle for a fair shake! They're trying to promote social justice." Let's look at some of the history of socialism and communism. Nazism is a form of socialism. In fact, Nazi stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party. Nazis murdered 20 million of their own people and in nations they captured. The unspeakable acts of Adolf Hitler's Socialist Workers' Party pale in comparison to the horrors committed in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin and their successors murdered, or were otherwise responsible for the deaths of, 62 million of their own people. Between 1949 and 1987, Mao Tse-tung and his successors were responsible for the deaths of 76 million Chinese. The most authoritative tally of history's most murderous regimes is in a book by University of Hawaii's Professor Rudolph J. Rummel, "Death by Government." A wealth of information is provided at his website. Stop mucking up the thread with your insistence on including the NSDAP in every fucking post you make, you fake right wing Israel-first piece of shit. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1551413 United States 10/24/2013 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Curious on Peoples point of views or Ideas as to why...Especially considering an utopian society is VERY possible today, and is the only option long term for our planet and our people to co-exist on an advanced technical level. Quoting: Enki 1551413 Yet people often call taboo on the idea thinking it more as communistic ideas than Practical needs to adapt and survive. Its time to Live in a star trek esq. World. Yeah, it's a real Utopia, until you realize you are the one who has to clean the shit out of the sewer each day. True water distillation plants, fecal matter used for Fertilization over water contamination. just a whole re design of the system is all it takes....and to those who say impossible.....look at america it needs it its sewage system Failed short term and long term. Money is not an issue and never has been to those with the blue prints at hand. |
Lady Jane Smith
Forum Administrator User ID: 12757985 Spain 10/24/2013 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sadly that is accurate. For most people these days, an ideal utopia is entirely Corrupt, vicious, and evil... much like the U.S. is today. Though the utopia that Atlantis' best leader had before Lucifer stole the Office from that leader from what my research has shown, thus far, that utopian society was at least the very best and damn near literally perfect for all species. The "Matrix" was supposedly a Utopia. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32069520 United States 10/24/2013 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Curious on Peoples point of views or Ideas as to why...Especially considering an utopian society is VERY possible today, and is the only option long term for our planet and our people to co-exist on an advanced technical level. Quoting: Enki 1551413 Yet people often call taboo on the idea thinking it more as communistic ideas than Practical needs to adapt and survive. Its time to Live in a star trek esq. World. This happened. [link to townhall.com] What goes unappreciated is that socialists and communists have produced the greatest evil in mankind's history. You say, "Williams, what in the world are you talking about? Socialists, communists and their fellow travelers care about the little guy in his struggle for a fair shake! They're trying to promote social justice." Let's look at some of the history of socialism and communism. Nazism is a form of socialism. In fact, Nazi stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party. Nazis murdered 20 million of their own people and in nations they captured. The unspeakable acts of Adolf Hitler's Socialist Workers' Party pale in comparison to the horrors committed in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin and their successors murdered, or were otherwise responsible for the deaths of, 62 million of their own people. Between 1949 and 1987, Mao Tse-tung and his successors were responsible for the deaths of 76 million Chinese. The most authoritative tally of history's most murderous regimes is in a book by University of Hawaii's Professor Rudolph J. Rummel, "Death by Government." A wealth of information is provided at his website. Stop mucking up the thread with your insistence on including the NSDAP in every fucking post you make, you fake right wing Israel-first piece of shit. Whatever you say racist baby killer libtard. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47705711 United Kingdom 10/24/2013 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many reasons.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37478943 1. They can't comprehend (no imagination) 2. They don't want it (they are corrupt) 3. They are afraid. If you can't perceive it, it's not going to happen. Most of the comments in here up to this post prove this point. I'm not exactly sure where a utopian society means you would kill people who have different THOUGHTS (that sounds a lot like a NWO police state and not a utopia). Sir Thomas Moore gave us the word in his book Utopia. [link to en.wikipedia.org] So, you assume the creator of the word, and author of the book would be in reality quite the Utopian. However, in reality he still burned those at the stake for crimes such a thinking differently to him.. This is the base foundation of Utopia.. a land where one view can prevail and all others removed on pain of death/torture. Utopia? at what cost? |
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Lady Jane Smith
Forum Administrator User ID: 12757985 Spain 10/24/2013 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many reasons.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37478943 1. They can't comprehend (no imagination) 2. They don't want it (they are corrupt) 3. They are afraid. If you can't perceive it, it's not going to happen. Most of the comments in here up to this post prove this point. I'm not exactly sure where a utopian society means you would kill people who have different THOUGHTS (that sounds a lot like a NWO police state and not a utopia). An easy read on the man who initially defined Utopia: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Ill advised to cross him during his lifetime. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1551413 United States 10/24/2013 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2226485 Does this society include running tap water that is clean and safe to drink? Pure h20 distilled water no mineral bs no fluoride, PERFECTION. Again, you can do all of this yourself. Yet, here you are, seeking to recruit and draft labor and resources into your "movement". your inability to comprehend anything is not surprising. Here I am asking why people are against it in no way was I asking for people to Join or in anyway am I recruiting...Sad Take some DMT smoke some THC have a nice convo with your inner self and get re attached with reality. Egotistical thoughts many of you have. |