Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.3 and the Branch

Oh im sorry, did i not use your King James-watchamacallit version ??

Greek ? You mean that place near where John wrote Revelation in the first place?

There are 2 Lords in Revelation, dummy. the One seated on the throne and the one worthy to take the scroll from Him. There is one LIKE unto the Son of Man, and the words of the Lord Christ. It doesnt take a rocket scientist buddy !! Go and read Enoch or something.

EXCELLENT!

YOU WILL NOTICE THAT HE IS NOT NOW ENTITLING HIMSELF PROPHET.

THAT IS ALL THAT WAS DEMANDED OF YOU MARK TAYLOR.

WELL DONE.

YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SPEAK...

Why do you apply a Greek name for yourself without understanding that I read the original language Greek and am in no need of having recourse to English!

No, in the text that you applied there is just one Lord, not 2 Lords, for "Christ himself" is used in apposition to the word Lord.

PehJeshuah

nope. 'our Lord' is said by a christian. christian's Lord is Christ. 'his' messiah is the ancient of days. go and read enoch and stop being a moron. its bad enough you people kicked it out of everything but the ethiopian bible. pretty clear the 'son of man' goes with the ancient of days, which is not christ :


Enoch Ch.XLVI

"And there I saw One who had a head of days,
And His head was white like wool,
And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,
And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels.

2. And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that Son of Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and)
why he went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:

This is the son of Man who hath righteousness,
With whom dwelleth righteousness,
And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden,

Because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen him,
And whose lot hath the pre-eminence before the Lord of Spirits in uprightness for ever."

Enoch Ch.XLVIII

" And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,
And his name before the Head of Days.
Yea, before the sun and the signs were created,
Before the stars of the heaven were made,
His name was named before the Lord of Spirits."

"...And the name of Michael was on all their garments, and every angel pronounced his name, and no angel was allowed to descend to the earth unless the name of Michael was written upon his raiment to protect him from the Devil."

"...Michael bloweth the seventh trumpet, and dew then falleth and maketh the fruits of the earth to increase."

"...and the Angel Michael, wearing a girdle of gold, came forth..."

Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 1:13 and among the lampstands was One like the Son of Man, dressed in a long robe, with a golden sash around His chest.
 Quoting: abbaton713


from Greek.

Did you not see it before you flung out your stupid guesses?

PJ
 Quoting: Wrong translation 78983430



Oh im sorry, did i not use your King James-watchamacallit version ??

Greek ? You mean that place near where John wrote Revelation in the first place?

There are 2 Lords in Revelation, dummy. the One seated on the throne and the one worthy to take the scroll from Him. There is one LIKE unto the Son of Man, and the words of the Lord Christ. It doesnt take a rocket scientist buddy !! Go and read Enoch or something.
 Quoting: abbaton713


Why do you apply a Greek name for yourself without understanding that I read the original language Greek and am in no need of having recourse to English!

No, in the text that you applied there is just one Lord, not 2 Lords, for "Christ himself" is used in apposition to the word Lord.

PehJeshuah
 Quoting: Stop you idiot 78981900


nope. 'our Lord' is said by a christian. christian's Lord is Christ. 'his' messiah is the ancient of days. go and read enoch and stop being a moron. its bad enough you people kicked it out of everything but the ethiopian bible. pretty clear the 'son of man' goes with the ancient of days, which is not christ :


Enoch Ch.XLVI

"And there I saw One who had a head of days,
And His head was white like wool,
And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,
And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels.

2. And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that Son of Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and)
why he went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:

This is the son of Man who hath righteousness,
With whom dwelleth righteousness,
And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden,

Because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen him,
And whose lot hath the pre-eminence before the Lord of Spirits in uprightness for ever."

Enoch Ch.XLVIII

" And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,
And his name before the Head of Days.
Yea, before the sun and the signs were created,
Before the stars of the heaven were made,
His name was named before the Lord of Spirits."
rev911 bitch

My answer;
First of all, Abbaton, what I reacted against in your writing was this:

“the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,”

And when you said that there are TWO Lords, which is just false teaching. The Book of Enoch is a specious book, such as cannot be trusted by people who read the Bible, for it contradicts the Bible, the TANAKH. Just one example: in chapter LXIX verse 4 it is said that the first angel who led the sons of God astray was Jeqôn, who brought them down to the earth, and led them astray through the daughters of men. Nevertheless, the angel who led Eve astray was not that first angel but the third angel, whose name was Gâdreêl. According to the Bible it was Satan who led Eve astray, and he is called in Holy Scripture “the father of lies”. Read John 8:44:

“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and the father of lies.”
In Psalm 110:1 the Bible says that it is Yahweh who says to my Lord, and not that the Lord says to my Lord, so therefore you are wrong in claiming that there are two Lords while writing this from Rev 11:15: the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah.”

In reading 2 Pet 1:11 you will see the biblical truth clearly, where it is said: “the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

The expression “Lord of spirits” is also wrong when used about Yahweh, for Jesus says in John 4:24 that “God is spirit” instead of God are spirits (which would be polytheism)!

The only to be found “Lord of spirits” is called Satan.

Therefore, when Isa 11:2 mentions what most people misunderstand to be spirits of God somebody ought to tell them that what is said in the Hebrew Bible is that the one spirit of God will be wisdom, counsel and might, as well as knowledge and true fear of God.

With all this said, I will also tell you the historical fact that when Tertullian (so-called churchfather) made up the term tripartite God he did great harm to true Christianity. In that way he divided Christianity’s one God into three parts and thus violated the very truth of God’s being, namely that He is nothing less that a great WONDER.

PehJeshuah

Brother you're more mixed up than a bunch of casseroles in a junkyard!

You're sayin that Enoch, the man who "walked with God Almighty" AND was taken by "The Lord" gave reverence to Satan, AND claimed that Satan chose Christ to be the Son of righteousness ?!

You need help brother.

Best start with NOT condemning Gnostics, or Abaddon is gonna wipe the floor with you real bad...

wrote that Book of Enoch, or else, eat your own words!

What you put in my mouth are your own words and not mine, so how stupid can you be?

PehJeshuah

your stupity and blindness, so I must say that those people who taught you their fallacies have made you as Jesus says in Mat 23:15 "twice as much a son of hell as themselves"!

Did not my quotes from the Book of Enoch reveal that it contradicts the Bible?

PehJeshuah

I wanted to expand on my comment as nothing can be related as truth unless it is accordance with Holy Scripture. Pertaining to the Two Witnesses of Rev. 11.3, this is what Scripture tells us:

Revelation 11.3:
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

This coincides with Zechariah 3 & 4:

Zechariah 3
3 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? 3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. 4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. 5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by. 6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,
7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by. 8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch. 9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. 10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

Zechariah 4
4 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep.
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
8 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

Additionally, the Two Witnesses of Rev.11.3 are symbolized by the the two cherubim in the inner temple. I will discuss this more in depth on my next post.

As I began to delve into a deep discipline of reading, meditating on, and praying about Holy Scripture, I began to notice the importance of BOTH the Old Testament and the New Testament. I pray you will also see this significance.

May God Bless you,
RockyMtnLady

The Bible is made up of parables which means stories with a hidden and deeper meaningS

The reason people can’t figure out if the two anointed are Moses and Elijah or Joshua and zerrubbabel or Moses and Aaron etc is because all these stories all are shadows of the two anointed because one anointed will be the earthly civil leader and the other anointed will be the earthly high priest during the millennium

If you study your bible you will know the millennial kingdom on earth is a davidic levitic kingdom which means separation of kingship and the priesthood....this is why Jesus can not rule from earth during the millenium due to separation of kingship and priesthood...therefore the need for the two anointed to fill these two offices on earth as the millennium is to deal with the salvation of the Jues....the bride and tribulation saints will be reigning with Jesus from heaven during the millennium....that is why there is a need for two anointed to have reign on earth and to work with the salvation of the Jues as the Jues asked for an earthly king therefore God will give them what they ask for for 1000 year millennium until the new heaven and new earth where Jesus will rule from forevermore

Remember Jesus himself stated “my kingdom is not of this earth”....also Jesus stated there is no end to his kingdom....we know this earths kingdom does come to an end after the millennium when the new earth is created.

The two anointed will sit on the left and right of Jesus on the new earth as a reminder of the former davidic levitic kingdom of the former earth for eternity.....pretty simple to see the position of the two anointed


:leftrightkingpri:

The Bible is made up of parables which means stories with a hidden and deeper meaningS

The reason people can’t figure out if the two anointed are Moses and Elijah or Joshua and zerrubbabel or Moses and Aaron etc is because all these stories all are shadows of the two anointed because one anointed will be the earthly civil leader and the other anointed will be the earthly high priest during the millennium

If you study your bible you will know the millennial kingdom on earth is a davidic levitic kingdom which means separation of kingship and the priesthood....this is why Jesus can not rule from earth during the millenium due to separation of kingship and priesthood...therefore the need for the two anointed to fill these two offices on earth as the millennium is to deal with the salvation of the Jues....the bride and tribulation saints will be reigning with Jesus from heaven during the millennium....that is why there is a need for two anointed to have reign on earth and to work with the salvation of the Jues as the Jues asked for an earthly king therefore God will give them what they ask for for 1000 year millennium until the new heaven and new earth where Jesus will rule from forevermore

Remember Jesus himself stated “my kingdom is not of this earth”....also Jesus stated there is no end to his kingdom....we know this earths kingdom does come to an end after the millennium when the new earth is created.

The two anointed will sit on the left and right of Jesus on the new earth as a reminder of the former davidic levitic kingdom of the former earth for eternity.....pretty simple to see the position of the two anointed


:leftrightkingpri:

The Bible is made up of parables which means stories with a hidden and deeper meaningS

The reason people can’t figure out if the two anointed are Moses and Elijah or Joshua and zerrubbabel or Moses and Aaron etc is because all these stories all are shadows of the two anointed because one anointed will be the earthly civil leader and the other anointed will be the earthly high priest during the millennium

If you study your bible you will know the millennial kingdom on earth is a davidic levitic kingdom which means separation of kingship and the priesthood....this is why Jesus can not rule from earth during the millenium due to separation of kingship and priesthood...therefore the need for the two anointed to fill these two offices on earth as the millennium is to deal with the salvation of the Jues....the bride and tribulation saints will be reigning with Jesus from heaven during the millennium....that is why there is a need for two anointed to have reign on earth and to work with the salvation of the Jues as the Jues asked for an earthly king therefore God will give them what they ask for for 1000 year millennium until the new heaven and new earth where Jesus will rule from forevermore

Remember Jesus himself stated “my kingdom is not of this earth”....also Jesus stated there is no end to his kingdom....we know this earths kingdom does come to an end after the millennium when the new earth is created.

The two anointed will sit on the left and right of Jesus on the new earth as a reminder of the former davidic levitic kingdom of the former earth for eternity.....pretty simple to see the position of the two anointed


:leftrightkingpri:

Enoch Ch. LXII:

And thus the Lord commanded the kings and the mighty and the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth, and said: 'Open your eyes and lift up your horns if ye are able to recognize the Elect One.'

2. And the Lord of Spirits seated him on the throne of His glory,

Nevertheless that Lord of Spirits will so press them
That they shall hastily go forth from His presence,
And their faces shall be filled with shame,
And the darkness grow deeper on their faces.
11. And He will deliver them to the angels for punishment,
To execute vengeance on them because they have oppressed His children and His elect
12. And they shall be a spectacle for the righteous and for His elect:
They shall rejoice over them,
Because the wrath of the Lord of Spirits resteth upon them,
And His sword is drunk with their blood.

And the Lord of Spirits will abide over them,
And with that Son of Man shall they eat
And lie down and rise up for ever and ever.

And they shall have been clothed with garments of glory,
16. And these shall be the garments of life from the Lord of Spirits:
And your garments shall not grow old,
Nor your glory pass away before the Lord of Spirits.



there ya go idiot

The book of enoch doesnt contradict shit. You're too stubborn to admit that you dont know anything about how God works. Christ doesnt just pass off his 'word' to a bunch of previous emperors and aristocrats and inquisitors and let them dictate who comes to god and who has proper literature in the faith. Enoch is proven thru ARCHAEOLOGY and SECULAR MANUSCRIPT to be one and the same with the Emerald Tablets. Much older than biblical canon, and far proven in academia... Like i said, your "christian fore fathers" were nothing more than a bunch of sumerian and egyptian royalty giving rise to 12 Tribes of ONE GOD amongst a pantheon. So sad for you that Christ said what he did in MARK 15:34 but truth be told, morons like you will get whats coming to you for doubting in gnostic apocrypha and angelic aeons... all authority of the sphere of earth was relinquished to a middle man you care nought for, and these will be the reasons for the hardships of the Nations.

The book of enoch doesnt contradict shit. You're too stubborn to admit that you dont know anything about how God works. Christ doesnt just pass off his 'word' to a bunch of previous emperors and aristocrats and inquisitors and let them dictate who comes to god and who has proper literature in the faith. Enoch is proven thru ARCHAEOLOGY and SECULAR MANUSCRIPT to be one and the same with the Emerald Tablets. Much older than biblical canon, and far proven in academia... Like i said, your "christian fore fathers" were nothing more than a bunch of sumerian and egyptian royalty giving rise to 12 Tribes of ONE GOD amongst a pantheon. So sad for you that Christ said what he did in MARK 15:34 but truth be told, morons like you will get whats coming to you for doubting in gnostic apocrypha and angelic aeons... all authority of the sphere of earth was relinquished to a middle man you care nought for, and these will be the reasons for the hardships of the Nations.

you like, 77739671,

I don’t care about it whether or not “Enoch is proven thru ARCHAEOLOGY and SECULAR MANUSCRIPT to be one and the same with the Emerald Tablets, for there is no doubt that it contradicts the Bible. I gave the example that chapter LXIX, verse 4, tells us that among the angels the first one to lead all the sons of God astray, was Jeqôn, whereas Eve was led astray by the third angel, whose name is Gâdreâl. This means that according to the Book of Enoch (who was not the author) Satan is not the father of lies, as said in the Bible, but instead Gâdreâl. I believe the Bible and the words of Jesus and not what is said in specious books.


And to say that there are TWO Lords is simply false teaching. The Book of Enoch is a specious book, such as cannot be trusted by people who read the Bible, for it contradicts the Bible, the TANAKH. Read what Jesus says in John 8:44:

“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and ”the father of lies”.

In Psalm 110:1 the Bible says that it is Yahweh who says to my Lord, and not that the Lord says to my Lord, so therefore every double Lord doctrine is just human fiction. Therefore every translation of Rev 11:15 that says: “ the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah” is false.

PehJeshuah

you dont actually believe that...

YHWH the great, defender of roman emperors but executioner of the word of great prophets like Enoch.

Abraham was from SUMER.

Moses? Egyptian royalty, well schooled in egypt's magicks.

get a clue soon, or abaddons gonna slap you over the walls, for gog and magog.

you sir, are a joke among jokes !!

The apostolic fathers had more Faith and Courage in their pinky finger's nail cuticle than you have mustered all your life, thru any planting of your own mustard seed !!

To deny Enoch or insinuate he was a devil worshiper is an offense so grand i hesitate to think where you will be in the coming years, save for christ alone.

You will be ashamed and have plenty of time to reflect when He is nowhere to be found and THE LORD OF SPIRITS places the Ancient of Days here instead, until the Valley..

Did I ever insinuate that Enoch was a devil worshipper? Did I not instead say that Enoch was a prophet of God Almighty? What I did criticize was the Book of Enoch, which is definitely spurious, and not Enoch. Stop lying!

There must be something wrong in your head since you keep twisting my words without any GOOD reason.

Let me tell you that the Ancient of days is God Almighty, so your lord of spirits cannot place the Ancient of days anywhere, for the Ancient of days is from eternity while the lord of spirits has a beginning. Are you really claiming that those spirits who fell away and left God Almighty still have Him as their Lord?

Since you deny that the lord of spirits is not the devil I will tell you that God Almighty is much greater than just a lord of spirits, for He is "the Lord of lords", namely the Lord of your lord of spirits included. Read Deut 10:17:

"For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the bLord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe."

PehJeshuah

Abbaton, left me without answering to my honest and devastating questions to him I will now accuse all of you devilish so-called true expounders of Revelation, for you make me really mad at yourselves when you so stupidly proclaim that God's true two witnesses will be working during what you call the tribulation period.

How rude and stupid can you sons of the devil be in spite of me, God Almighty's true witness, telling you that since the great tribulation is the III worldwar, there will be no way for anybody to testify anything.

If you do not now want to believe me, since you hate my claim, then go instead to Isa 24 and realize how lost you are, and if you remain stubborn to what I as God's true witness do tell you then go instead to hell, if that is what you prefer in your hatred of my true words!

PehJeshuah

to every single person on this earth that I am indeed chosen by God Almighty to fight all your lies and twistings of His Holy Scripture, so there will be not even one of you left who dares hatefully test my true words, if I am indeed what I claim to be, when the time of my serious testimony is ended.

I have laid down my life in the name of God Almigthy in the hope that my testimony should help you see what you ought to see and follow in order to be accepted by God, so if you will rather hate me for doing what God called me to do, then do so, and take then yourselves the brunt of being eternally judged to hell!

Don't accuse me of your choice.

PehJehshuah