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works falsehood.

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What you wrote is not what my Lord spoke
into me
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Do you think
whatever you think
is what The Lord spoke?
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my Lord speaks to me often in remote areas as seems to be a pattern in the Bible also
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How?
Whatever you think?
What is your standard for declaring that The Lord is Speaking to you?
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Never answered... but still saying the same thing anyway
because all that matters is what Cliff says...
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A fool also multiplies words.
No man knows what is to be;


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Exactly how many times is The Lord supposed to forgive you for presumptuously speaking falsely in His Name?
Exactly how many times is The Lord supposed to forgive you for self-righteously condemning those attempting to correct you with The Truth as fools?
HOW MANY MORE TIMES?
Do you have any respect for God?
Do you have any fear of God?
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Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

Romans 2:4
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For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves,
what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication!
In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.


2Corinthians 7:10,11


in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.


2Timothy 2:25,26
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It's all about Jesus.



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'But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak,
or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.'

And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'—

when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass,
that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.



Deuteronomy 18:20-22
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Do you fear God?
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Bayou Ice,

What do you now say will happen on February 22, 2021 ?

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So they took the bull which was given them, and they prepared it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even till noon, saying, "O Baal, hear us!" But there was no voice; no one answered. Then they leaped about the altar which they had made.

And so it was, at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, "Cry aloud, for he is a god; either he is meditating, or he is pissing, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened."

So they cried aloud, and cut themselves, as was their custom, with knives and lances, until the blood gushed out on them.

And when midday was past, they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice. But there was no voice; no one answered, no one paid attention.



1Kings 18:26-29
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Ten years ago, different specifics, same exact bullshit.
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How is this not some sort of mental illness?

It is not of God.

It co opts God in this person's head

for no good reason...
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How could Jesus tell you are wrong for doing this constantly and to stop?
How could Jesus tell you that?

Jesus IS NOT telling you to constantly post false dates for no reason.
Jesus is not telling you to do that.
It is not of Jesus Christ.
It is not Scriptural.
It is all YOU all this time.

How could Jesus Christ Himself validate to you what I am saying to you?

Imagine if you devoted this much time and effort to preaching the Good News of The Gospel of Jesus Christ to people instead!

Who, Cliff, would be delighted to have you post all day every day about dates that come and go

instead of preaching the Good News Gospel of Jesus Christ?

devil6

All Satan needs to do is whisper in your ear how great you are
and there you go again....

Am I wrong to tell you Cliff
or the only one who cares about you?

Because I tell you the truth, have I therefore become your enemy?

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Well PJ I did intend to respond to your accusations against me. But as I returned to your comments about "What S-wordlike wrote" it dawned upon me I pretty well answered most of your questions already.

I don't think I actually realized how superficial you actually were in your understanding scripture and void of discerning simple comprehension until I began reading your responses to my post.

Actually you have no concept of the body/soul/spirit of mankind's make-up and what it consist of.

Apparently from reading your statement you believe God's spirit is the portion that is of man's spirit. And I am assuming your reasoning consist of the soul of man and the spirit are the same dual make-up of the element within the flesh of an individual. In other-words you believe the soul and spirit of man is one of the same.

Wow! No wonder you consist of confusing statements and baffling beliefs in your post. If you haven't even the basic concept toward understanding man in his creators image; and doesn't even hold the same example of that same image as that of his creator, in body/soul (mind)/ and spirit. You would have a tendency to have a misconception of the bigger picture of a myriad of things relating to scripture.

God's Spirit doesn't live in man's body! He may dwell therein if invited. But he is never invited in the lives of nonbelievers. Yet, like all men they all have a spirit of their own, as well as a soul and a body. God's spirit can never constitute man's spirit within himself.

The only difference for the believer is the non-believer's spirit is asleep and will remain so throughout his/her life unless awakened by the grace of our Lord. Whereas, in the life of the believer it is awakened. Not just for the lone purpose to being awake but in the hope of awakening those who remain asleep!

This is the reason Enoch in the Ethiopian version of the Book of (1 Enoch.39:6) in Enoch's visitation to heaven he declares:

(1 Enoch.39:6) And in that place mine eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and faith.


Now, we must pause here for a moment to dispel what most have always been taught and believed. That the Elect One is always talking about Jesus Christ! Well, no, not really!

First of all Jesus could never be considered the Elect One. For as Enoch will reveal later in his book within the passages. The elect were at one time of a sinful nature, and thus also, so would have been the Elect One. Jesus never had a sinful nature, and was neither born into this world with such a nature. For unlike all others, all mankind were blood-born subjects to their Father after sin. For their Father Satan had a claim to everyone through the fall of Adam to the bondage of sin.

Nevertheless, Jesus was not subject to a fleshly bondage but born after the spirit and came forth a free man from his Father of Righteousness.

So Jesus could never be categorized as the Elect One. For of all the endeavors he undertook either in his earthly conquest or the heavenly realm, Jesus as the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God. He was never elected to do anything. He chose to be our savior, not elected to be. He chose to give his life for us, not because he was elected to do so. He did all that he did by his own choosing and decisions. Not as someone elected to some office. Jesus is a King not someone Elected!

Thus, that Elect One, that servant, in (Isa.42:1KJV) is not the Father speaking of his Son Jesus, as men of little understanding has taught other foolish men. But Jesus is speaking about his spiritual son his loyal servant.

How do we know that it is Jesus speaking and declaring his servant and not the Father speaking about Jesus. Because the word declares who it is that is speaking about his Elect One and who it is that is speaking in the following verses

The Word declares it is Jesus speaking about this servant, his Elect One, and the purpose of that Elect One/servant in the end days, throughout chapters (Isa.40-49KJV).

Thus to make it understandable, the Word declares the speaker as the following individual:

The one who is the King of Jacob (Isa41:21KJV).
The Holy one of Israel, thy savior (Isa 43:3KJV).
The Lord your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel (Isa.43:14KJV).
I am the Lord your Holy One of Israel, Your King (Isa. 43:15KJV).
Thus, saith the Lord, thy Redeemer and that formed thee from the womb, I am the lord that makes all things, that stretches forth the heavens alone: that spreads abroad the earth by myself (Isa.44:24KJV).

Now all theses verses and different passages speaks clearly as to this one being called the Redeemer; (Only Jesus has that title (Redeemer), for he alone paid the price. This one speaking claims to be the creator of all things, and stretched out the heavens and spread abroad the earth by himself This is the one who is called the Word who came in the flesh. Even the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Even the Word was in the beginning and he created all things, even/only Jesus (John 1:1-14KJV). The king of Jacob/Israel, only Jesus holds that title. The Word seeks to make it clear the speaker here is not the Father but the Son (Jesus) who is declaring his Elect One.

YET, TO MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER JESUS ALSO DECLARES HIS ELECT ONE, SERVANT, HIDDEN ONE IN (ISA.49:2KJV). AND THAT HE HAS HID HIM IN THE SHADOW OF HIS HAND(work). Making it very clear that of the Godhead only Jesus has the ability to cast a shadow to hid someone. Because of the trinity only Jesus consist of the bodily make-up of flesh and bone after his resurrection; and thus able to cast a shadow. And these passages are speaking of a distant future at the time of its writings and an end time happening.

Now we know according to scripture, the Word cannot contradict itself. Thus, the Word declares that God the Father of lights has no shadow, neither a shadow of turning (James.1:17KJV) For the Father is of Spirit and light and thus is not able to cast shadows, neither that of the Holy Spirit because again he is of spirit and not of flesh.

So according to scripture there is an Elect, hidden, servant hidden for the end days; but it isn't Jesus. And no man can see him or understand his coming or those that be with him until the daytime (light of revelation), (2 Esdras.13:52KJV). And who can see what Jesus has hidden. And who has helped concealed this evidence from those uninformed. Men of tradition and false understandings; claiming to know not what they themselves cannot see within God's Word.

So Enoch in his vision sought to understand and desired the placement the Elect one was seated. And Enoch sought to rest in that place and dwell beneath that lofty place beneath the wings of the Lord of spirits even the (Most High).

Now what Enoch saw was a high place of order; a dwelling therein by on who is called the Elect One, the son of man, the chosen one, the righteous one, the hidden one. And Enoch desired that place. Now Enoch knew this was not the seating place of one of the Godhead's for in so knowing he would never sought such a position. But he knew that it was the highest order of a mortal man. The preeminent one amongst the chosen, called, patriots and the saints of God, who would rule in his age (1 Enoch.39:6).

Enoch was promised a portion of where that man sat. Enoch could not understand how he could be given a portion of that which he so desired. But later Enoch when he ask who was that son of man, he was told it was himself.

Now what Enoch was told is the it was himself setting in that lofty place and he was that man he had beheld. Although Enoch would one day fulfill that position (portion) in part, as was promised to him. Enoch could not understand, he was in part beholding himself but in/of his spirit only. He didn't recognize the body or the soul of that man therein upon that throne. For it was that Enoch to come forth for the end days and show himself that he was beholding and he didn't recognize the facial features, for only that one’s spirit was of Enoch.

S-wordlike.
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What’s the difference between a Jacob and an Israel? An Israel is and always was a firstborn....a Jacob is a second born whose name is changed to Israel and receives the firstborn blessing of the birthright. A Jacob started out as a second born....Israel’s started out as first borns and remain unchanged ......that is what the grafting in of the second born is about....you have to have a firstborn and a separate second born who will both have dominion.....Adam was never a Jacob/second born who had to have a name change to become a firstborn Israel as he already was an Israel. It’s the second borns who need the name change to become Israel’s not the actual firstborns as they already have that title. The problem the firstborns have is they don’t know the second borns get the birthright in order to have dominion over the priesthood on earth.....firstborns are kings ....second borns use the birthright to be the earthly high priest in order to bring salvation to the jues and armeghedon gentiles during the millennium.....but that is for another time at a future date in another realm...lol....til then have a good journey.


Ezekiel 37:22:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.......you can’t have 2 kingdoms/two families/two nations without having 2 representatives ......and with the reunification one representative isn’t going to take the other representatives dominion....because one representative is the king and the other representative is the high priest therefore when the reunification happens both representative will keep their dominion only the reunification will allow them to have dominion over both kingdoms...one king and the other high priest.
:leftrightkingpri:

Until you realize there are 2 Israel’s ....a firstborn israel and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel then your understanding will be stunted because Jesus is not only king of the firstborn but also of the second born.....which the volume of the book is about the separation and reunification of the firstborn Israel and second born Jacob whose name will be changed to Israel ....to bring forth the unification/marriage of the two kingdoms/families/representatives to make the two to become one.

In a marriage/unification who receives the name change? The feminine as the masculine already has the name. The kingship is the spiritual masculine...the priesthood is the spiritual feminine...The spiritual masculine is the firstborn...the spiritual feminine is the second born. Therefore Jacob the 2nd born is the spiritual feminine as Jacob gets the name change and uses the birthright to have dominion over the spiritual feminine position of the priesthood.

:Joseph and Judah:


Ask yourself if you were the representative of one of the two kingdoms and the reunification was happening would you say to the other representative take my dominion and I’ll just become one of your subjects? No one would give up a kingdom given to them and give all dominion to another. If they do then they never respected the privilege of having the dominion they were given.

:adameveside1:

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PJ.. Toward your reply concerning your desire to display a form of intellectual grasp of scripture and its comprehensible meaning; you have of course once again failed.

You claim that the resurrection of mankind is not complete until the last day. That is true. Yet this subject matter being discuss in your post has nothing even close to the point that was being projection against your argument. You only speak of the final victory of mankind's purpose in body/soul/spirit. But you leave us no explanation of other reasons Elijah again appears or Enoch is translated but never returns as of yet.

You're a common example of all cult leaders/false prophets/and fake teachers through the years that desire to take God's Word out of context and apply/twist it to your own reasoning and interpretation. And I have studied many and ran into a few for myself. Your concepts are veiled as has been all false teachers having such desires over the ages, from Satan's time until foolish men begin to first appear.

Your example in (John.6:39KJV) is of the full joint make-up of all three elements of man in the last day description of his body/soul/and spirit.

This concept has nothing to do with the soul or spiritual portion of God's perspective of man's overall condition/final arrangement. There are more than one aspect toward the advancement of reaching that final goal.

For the believer it must start with rebirth. Next requires the advancement within that birth whether it be toward glory or shame at his appearing.. For few are made-up after the example of the gold/silver/and precious jewels.

Next is the walk and finally our death. But this is not the last days for us in this death but a holding place whether believers or non-believers. For the believer our place is obvious declared in (2 Cor.5:8KJV) To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Thus, your theory of laying in death for ages before that last days is contrary to the Word and holds no truth as toward the way you express/interpret it. This meaning only applies to the body/flesh of man, (John.6:39KJV). But not to the spirit or the soul of man.

How can a believer's spirit die once it is made alive by God's Spirit? Although beforehand it was asleep, as is the non-believers now. In Christ it lives and comprehends truth!

As toward the unbeliever; Jesus gave us an example through his parable concerning the rich man, (Luke.16:19-31KJV), And at his death he was summarily in Sheol/Hades, in soul/spirit and a form of his body. Yet his carcass remained in the dust of the ground. And he was reaping the evil excesses in his life he had sown in the land of his living.

But your biggest folly excludes the fact our example as believers must be in conformity to the example of our Lord and his transformation at his death. (Rom.8:29KJV) For whom he first foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren.

Thus, Christ gives us an example that he is a risen Christ, alive and living. And not some body waiting in the grave, died in body/spirit/and soul. Thus being Unable to respond to God or others.

If we as believers are to be conformed in his Son's image as God commands (Rom.8:29KJV). How shall we remain in such a lifeless state at the time of our death?

And shall not those patriots that rose up with Christ at the time of his death/calling should have also remained in that permanent state of death, as you claim until the last day. Instead we read they rose from their graves walking about the city of Jerusalem after they had been dead, (Matt.27:52-53KJV), and according to you PJ could not have possibly return until the last day.

I have many other things to say to you PJ, about other misconceptions of your interpretations of scripture and your general lack of understanding the meaning of the Word. As for the promise men of faith had not yet found their purpose (Heb.11:39-40KJV). You once again, as you do with most of scripture take its meaning completely out of context. It was their home they sought for, not their purpose. Their faith constituted their purpose. You speak as if they sought their bodies it was not so.

I will discuss these things in another post soon. But I have only so much time. I will respond to all the charges you wrongly claim against me. And will again and again reveal the arrogance of your beliefs

In the meantime I would suggest you start studying the Word of God and not just reading it. Apparently you lack so in understanding it, in just reading it.

Greetings to you as well.
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And I am banned from answering your devilish lies, though my true words cannot be refuted by or any other devil.

You may gloat some time still but hell is waitig for you,
for I, God's true witness, swear it in God's Holy Name.

Let it be known, for truth can not be defeated for ever.

Whoever I am
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Well PJ I did intend to respond to your accusations against me. But as I returned to your comments about "What S-wordlike wrote" it dawned upon me I pretty well answered most of your questions already.

I don't think I actually realized how superficial you actually were in your understanding scripture and void of discerning simple comprehension until I began reading your responses to my post.

Actually you have no concept of the body/soul/spirit of mankind's make-up and what it consist of.

Apparently from reading your statement you believe God's spirit is the portion that is of man's spirit. And I am assuming your reasoning consist of the soul of man and the spirit are the same dual make-up of the element within the flesh of an individual. In other-words you believe the soul and spirit of man is one of the same.

Wow! No wonder you consist of confusing statements and baffling beliefs in your post. If you haven't even the basic concept toward understanding man in his creators image; and doesn't even hold the same example of that same image as that of his creator, in body/soul (mind)/ and spirit. You would have a tendency to have a misconception of the bigger picture of a myriad of things relating to scripture.

God's Spirit doesn't live in man's body! He may dwell therein if invited. But he is never invited in the lives of nonbelievers. Yet, like all men they all have a spirit of their own, as well as a soul and a body. God's spirit can never constitute man's spirit within himself.

The only difference for the believer is the non-believer's spirit is asleep and will remain so throughout his/her life unless awakened by the grace of our Lord. Whereas, in the life of the believer it is awakened. Not just for the lone purpose to being awake but in the hope of awakening those who remain asleep!

This is the reason Enoch in the Ethiopian version of the Book of (1 Enoch.39:6) in Enoch's visitation to heaven he declares:

(1 Enoch.39:6) And in that place mine eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and faith.


Now, we must pause here for a moment to dispel what most have always been taught and believed. That the Elect One is always talking about Jesus Christ! Well, no, not really!

First of all Jesus could never be considered the Elect One. For as Enoch will reveal later in his book within the passages. The elect were at one time of a sinful nature, and thus also, so would have been the Elect One. Jesus never had a sinful nature, and was neither born into this world with such a nature. For unlike all others, all mankind were blood-born subjects to their Father after sin. For their Father Satan had a claim to everyone through the fall of Adam to the bondage of sin.

Nevertheless, Jesus was not subject to a fleshly bondage but born after the spirit and came forth a free man from his Father of Righteousness.

So Jesus could never be categorized as the Elect One. For of all the endeavors he undertook either in his earthly conquest or the heavenly realm, Jesus as the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God. He was never elected to do anything. He chose to be our savior, not elected to be. He chose to give his life for us, not because he was elected to do so. He did all that he did by his own choosing and decisions. Not as someone elected to some office. Jesus is a King not someone Elected!

Thus, that Elect One, that servant, in (Isa.42:1KJV) is not the Father speaking of his Son Jesus, as men of little understanding has taught other foolish men. But Jesus is speaking about his spiritual son his loyal servant.

How do we know that it is Jesus speaking and declaring his servant and not the Father speaking about Jesus. Because the word declares who it is that is speaking about his Elect One and who it is that is speaking in the following verses

The Word declares it is Jesus speaking about this servant, his Elect One, and the purpose of that Elect One/servant in the end days, throughout chapters (Isa.40-49KJV).

Thus to make it understandable, the Word declares the speaker as the following individual:

The one who is the King of Jacob (Isa41:21KJV).
The Holy one of Israel, thy savior (Isa 43:3KJV).
The Lord your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel (Isa.43:14KJV).
I am the Lord your Holy One of Israel, Your King (Isa. 43:15KJV).
Thus, saith the Lord, thy Redeemer and that formed thee from the womb, I am the lord that makes all things, that stretches forth the heavens alone: that spreads abroad the earth by myself (Isa.44:24KJV).

Now all theses verses and different passages speaks clearly as to this one being called the Redeemer; (Only Jesus has that title (Redeemer), for he alone paid the price. This one speaking claims to be the creator of all things, and stretched out the heavens and spread abroad the earth by himself This is the one who is called the Word who came in the flesh. Even the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Even the Word was in the beginning and he created all things, even/only Jesus (John 1:1-14KJV). The king of Jacob/Israel, only Jesus holds that title. The Word seeks to make it clear the speaker here is not the Father but the Son (Jesus) who is declaring his Elect One.

YET, TO MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER JESUS ALSO DECLARES HIS ELECT ONE, SERVANT, HIDDEN ONE IN (ISA.49:2KJV). AND THAT HE HAS HID HIM IN THE SHADOW OF HIS HAND(work). Making it very clear that of the Godhead only Jesus has the ability to cast a shadow to hid someone. Because of the trinity only Jesus consist of the bodily make-up of flesh and bone after his resurrection; and thus able to cast a shadow. And these passages are speaking of a distant future at the time of its writings and an end time happening.

Now we know according to scripture, the Word cannot contradict itself. Thus, the Word declares that God the Father of lights has no shadow, neither a shadow of turning (James.1:17KJV) For the Father is of Spirit and light and thus is not able to cast shadows, neither that of the Holy Spirit because again he is of spirit and not of flesh.

So according to scripture there is an Elect, hidden, servant hidden for the end days; but it isn't Jesus. And no man can see him or understand his coming or those that be with him until the daytime (light of revelation), (2 Esdras.13:52KJV). And who can see what Jesus has hidden. And who has helped concealed this evidence from those uninformed. Men of tradition and false understandings; claiming to know not what they themselves cannot see within God's Word.

So Enoch in his vision sought to understand and desired the placement the Elect one was seated. And Enoch sought to rest in that place and dwell beneath that lofty place beneath the wings of the Lord of spirits even the (Most High).

Now what Enoch saw was a high place of order; a dwelling therein by on who is called the Elect One, the son of man, the chosen one, the righteous one, the hidden one. And Enoch desired that place. Now Enoch knew this was not the seating place of one of the Godhead's for in so knowing he would never sought such a position. But he knew that it was the highest order of a mortal man. The preeminent one amongst the chosen, called, patriots and the saints of God, who would rule in his age (1 Enoch.39:6).

Enoch was promised a portion of where that man sat. Enoch could not understand how he could be given a portion of that which he so desired. But later Enoch when he ask who was that son of man, he was told it was himself.

Now what Enoch was told is the it was himself setting in that lofty place and he was that man he had beheld. Although Enoch would one day fulfill that position (portion) in part, as was promised to him. Enoch could not understand, he was in part beholding himself but in/of his spirit only. He didn't recognize the body or the soul of that man therein upon that throne. For it was that Enoch to come forth for the end days and show himself that he was beholding and he didn't recognize the facial features, for only that one’s spirit was of Enoch.

S-wordlike.
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What’s the difference between a Jacob and an Israel? An Israel is and always was a firstborn....a Jacob is a second born whose name is changed to Israel and receives the firstborn blessing of the birthright. A Jacob started out as a second born....Israel’s started out as first borns and remain unchanged ......that is what the grafting in of the second born is about....you have to have a firstborn and a separate second born who will both have dominion.....Adam was never a Jacob/second born who had to have a name change to become a firstborn Israel as he already was an Israel. It’s the second borns who need the name change to become Israel’s not the actual firstborns as they already have that title. The problem the firstborns have is they don’t know the second borns get the birthright in order to have dominion over the priesthood on earth.....firstborns are kings ....second borns use the birthright to be the earthly high priest in order to bring salvation to the jues and armeghedon gentiles during the millennium.....but that is for another time at a future date in another realm...lol....til then have a good journey.


Ezekiel 37:22:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.......you can’t have 2 kingdoms/two families/two nations without having 2 representatives ......and with the reunification one representative isn’t going to take the other representatives dominion....because one representative is the king and the other representative is the high priest therefore when the reunification happens both representative will keep their dominion only the reunification will allow them to have dominion over both kingdoms...one king and the other high priest.
:leftrightkingpri:

Until you realize there are 2 Israel’s ....a firstborn israel and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel then your understanding will be stunted because Jesus is not only king of the firstborn but also of the second born.....which the volume of the book is about the separation and reunification of the firstborn Israel and second born Jacob whose name will be changed to Israel ....to bring forth the unification/marriage of the two kingdoms/families/representatives to make the two to become one.

In a marriage/unification who receives the name change? The feminine as the masculine already has the name. The kingship is the spiritual masculine...the priesthood is the spiritual feminine...The spiritual masculine is the firstborn...the spiritual feminine is the second born. Therefore Jacob the 2nd born is the spiritual feminine as Jacob gets the name change and uses the birthright to have dominion over the spiritual feminine position of the priesthood.

:Joseph and Judah:


Ask yourself if you were the representative of one of the two kingdoms and the reunification was happening would you say to the other representative take my dominion and I’ll just become one of your subjects? No one would give up a kingdom given to them and give all dominion to another. If they do then they never respected the privilege of having the dominion they were given.

:adameveside1:

:tree123::tree123:
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PJ
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that you stupidly think that when the person that God has chosen according to His Holy Scripture is so "weak" as to be banned he cannot be God's witness.

Let me tell you this, that God gives you the opportunity to show on what side you are, Satan's or God's, so He lets your rules play for some time to let you prove yourselves just, for afterwards, i.e. when God's true witnesses are public you can in no way dominate them anymore.

Your unrightheous treatment will then be seen by the whole world of those who care about what prophecy tella, the rest can go to hell as they decide.

God's power is coming, so you great country of world mission shall be seen for what you are!

Greetings
God's true witness

And you, S-wordlike (who is just like and not real) shall burn in hell for all eternity if you do not realise that it is indeed God's foretold last time witness who speaks to you!

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Well PJ I did intend to respond to your accusations against me. But as I returned to your comments about "What S-wordlike wrote" it dawned upon me I pretty well answered most of your questions already.

I don't think I actually realized how superficial you actually were in your understanding scripture and void of discerning simple comprehension until I began reading your responses to my post.

Actually you have no concept of the body/soul/spirit of mankind's make-up and what it consist of.

Apparently from reading your statement you believe God's spirit is the portion that is of man's spirit. And I am assuming your reasoning consist of the soul of man and the spirit are the same dual make-up of the element within the flesh of an individual. In other-words you believe the soul and spirit of man is one of the same.

Wow! No wonder you consist of confusing statements and baffling beliefs in your post. If you haven't even the basic concept toward understanding man in his creators image; and doesn't even hold the same example of that same image as that of his creator, in body/soul (mind)/ and spirit. You would have a tendency to have a misconception of the bigger picture of a myriad of things relating to scripture.

God's Spirit doesn't live in man's body! He may dwell therein if invited. But he is never invited in the lives of nonbelievers. Yet, like all men they all have a spirit of their own, as well as a soul and a body. God's spirit can never constitute man's spirit within himself.

The only difference for the believer is the non-believer's spirit is asleep and will remain so throughout his/her life unless awakened by the grace of our Lord. Whereas, in the life of the believer it is awakened. Not just for the lone purpose to being awake but in the hope of awakening those who remain asleep!

This is the reason Enoch in the Ethiopian version of the Book of (1 Enoch.39:6) in Enoch's visitation to heaven he declares:

(1 Enoch.39:6) And in that place mine eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and faith.


Now, we must pause here for a moment to dispel what most have always been taught and believed. That the Elect One is always talking about Jesus Christ! Well, no, not really!

First of all Jesus could never be considered the Elect One. For as Enoch will reveal later in his book within the passages. The elect were at one time of a sinful nature, and thus also, so would have been the Elect One. Jesus never had a sinful nature, and was neither born into this world with such a nature. For unlike all others, all mankind were blood-born subjects to their Father after sin. For their Father Satan had a claim to everyone through the fall of Adam to the bondage of sin.

Nevertheless, Jesus was not subject to a fleshly bondage but born after the spirit and came forth a free man from his Father of Righteousness.

So Jesus could never be categorized as the Elect One. For of all the endeavors he undertook either in his earthly conquest or the heavenly realm, Jesus as the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God. He was never elected to do anything. He chose to be our savior, not elected to be. He chose to give his life for us, not because he was elected to do so. He did all that he did by his own choosing and decisions. Not as someone elected to some office. Jesus is a King not someone Elected!

Thus, that Elect One, that servant, in (Isa.42:1KJV) is not the Father speaking of his Son Jesus, as men of little understanding has taught other foolish men. But Jesus is speaking about his spiritual son his loyal servant.

How do we know that it is Jesus speaking and declaring his servant and not the Father speaking about Jesus. Because the word declares who it is that is speaking about his Elect One and who it is that is speaking in the following verses

The Word declares it is Jesus speaking about this servant, his Elect One, and the purpose of that Elect One/servant in the end days, throughout chapters (Isa.40-49KJV).

Thus to make it understandable, the Word declares the speaker as the following individual:

The one who is the King of Jacob (Isa41:21KJV).
The Holy one of Israel, thy savior (Isa 43:3KJV).
The Lord your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel (Isa.43:14KJV).
I am the Lord your Holy One of Israel, Your King (Isa. 43:15KJV).
Thus, saith the Lord, thy Redeemer and that formed thee from the womb, I am the lord that makes all things, that stretches forth the heavens alone: that spreads abroad the earth by myself (Isa.44:24KJV).

Now all theses verses and different passages speaks clearly as to this one being called the Redeemer; (Only Jesus has that title (Redeemer), for he alone paid the price. This one speaking claims to be the creator of all things, and stretched out the heavens and spread abroad the earth by himself This is the one who is called the Word who came in the flesh. Even the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Even the Word was in the beginning and he created all things, even/only Jesus (John 1:1-14KJV). The king of Jacob/Israel, only Jesus holds that title. The Word seeks to make it clear the speaker here is not the Father but the Son (Jesus) who is declaring his Elect One.

YET, TO MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER JESUS ALSO DECLARES HIS ELECT ONE, SERVANT, HIDDEN ONE IN (ISA.49:2KJV). AND THAT HE HAS HID HIM IN THE SHADOW OF HIS HAND(work). Making it very clear that of the Godhead only Jesus has the ability to cast a shadow to hid someone. Because of the trinity only Jesus consist of the bodily make-up of flesh and bone after his resurrection; and thus able to cast a shadow. And these passages are speaking of a distant future at the time of its writings and an end time happening.

Now we know according to scripture, the Word cannot contradict itself. Thus, the Word declares that God the Father of lights has no shadow, neither a shadow of turning (James.1:17KJV) For the Father is of Spirit and light and thus is not able to cast shadows, neither that of the Holy Spirit because again he is of spirit and not of flesh.

So according to scripture there is an Elect, hidden, servant hidden for the end days; but it isn't Jesus. And no man can see him or understand his coming or those that be with him until the daytime (light of revelation), (2 Esdras.13:52KJV). And who can see what Jesus has hidden. And who has helped concealed this evidence from those uninformed. Men of tradition and false understandings; claiming to know not what they themselves cannot see within God's Word.

So Enoch in his vision sought to understand and desired the placement the Elect one was seated. And Enoch sought to rest in that place and dwell beneath that lofty place beneath the wings of the Lord of spirits even the (Most High).

Now what Enoch saw was a high place of order; a dwelling therein by on who is called the Elect One, the son of man, the chosen one, the righteous one, the hidden one. And Enoch desired that place. Now Enoch knew this was not the seating place of one of the Godhead's for in so knowing he would never sought such a position. But he knew that it was the highest order of a mortal man. The preeminent one amongst the chosen, called, patriots and the saints of God, who would rule in his age (1 Enoch.39:6).

Enoch was promised a portion of where that man sat. Enoch could not understand how he could be given a portion of that which he so desired. But later Enoch when he ask who was that son of man, he was told it was himself.

Now what Enoch was told is the it was himself setting in that lofty place and he was that man he had beheld. Although Enoch would one day fulfill that position (portion) in part, as was promised to him. Enoch could not understand, he was in part beholding himself but in/of his spirit only. He didn't recognize the body or the soul of that man therein upon that throne. For it was that Enoch to come forth for the end days and show himself that he was beholding and he didn't recognize the facial features, for only that one’s spirit was of Enoch.

S-wordlike.
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What’s the difference between a Jacob and an Israel? An Israel is and always was a firstborn....a Jacob is a second born whose name is changed to Israel and receives the firstborn blessing of the birthright. A Jacob started out as a second born....Israel’s started out as first borns and remain unchanged ......that is what the grafting in of the second born is about....you have to have a firstborn and a separate second born who will both have dominion.....Adam was never a Jacob/second born who had to have a name change to become a firstborn Israel as he already was an Israel. It’s the second borns who need the name change to become Israel’s not the actual firstborns as they already have that title. The problem the firstborns have is they don’t know the second borns get the birthright in order to have dominion over the priesthood on earth.....firstborns are kings ....second borns use the birthright to be the earthly high priest in order to bring salvation to the jues and armeghedon gentiles during the millennium.....but that is for another time at a future date in another realm...lol....til then have a good journey.


Ezekiel 37:22:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.......you can’t have 2 kingdoms/two families/two nations without having 2 representatives ......and with the reunification one representative isn’t going to take the other representatives dominion....because one representative is the king and the other representative is the high priest therefore when the reunification happens both representative will keep their dominion only the reunification will allow them to have dominion over both kingdoms...one king and the other high priest.
:leftrightkingpri:

Until you realize there are 2 Israel’s ....a firstborn israel and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel then your understanding will be stunted because Jesus is not only king of the firstborn but also of the second born.....which the volume of the book is about the separation and reunification of the firstborn Israel and second born Jacob whose name will be changed to Israel ....to bring forth the unification/marriage of the two kingdoms/families/representatives to make the two to become one.

In a marriage/unification who receives the name change? The feminine as the masculine already has the name. The kingship is the spiritual masculine...the priesthood is the spiritual feminine...The spiritual masculine is the firstborn...the spiritual feminine is the second born. Therefore Jacob the 2nd born is the spiritual feminine as Jacob gets the name change and uses the birthright to have dominion over the spiritual feminine position of the priesthood.

:Joseph and Judah:


Ask yourself if you were the representative of one of the two kingdoms and the reunification was happening would you say to the other representative take my dominion and I’ll just become one of your subjects? No one would give up a kingdom given to them and give all dominion to another. If they do then they never respected the privilege of having the dominion they were given.

:adameveside1:

:tree123::tree123:
 Quoting: waterman


PJ
 Quoting: Lies from you 79807111


that you stupidly think that when the person that God has chosen according to His Holy Scripture is so "weak" as to be banned he cannot be God's witness.

Let me tell you this, that God gives you the opportunity to show on what side you are, Satan's or God's, so He lets your rules play for some time to let you prove yourselves just, for afterwards, i.e. when God's true witnesses are public you can in no way dominate them anymore.

Your unrightheous treatment will then be seen by the whole world of those who care about what prophecy tella, the rest can go to hell as they decide.

God's power is coming, so you great country of world mission shall be seen for what you are!

Greetings
God's true witness

And you, S-wordlike (who is just like and not real) shall burn in hell for all eternity if you do not realise that it is indeed God's foretold last time witness who speaks to you!

Whoever I am
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had been operated by honest people who don't meddle with spiritual things they do not understand, then I would be given the opportunity to prove you S-wordlike to what is nothing else than satanic!!!

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What’s the difference between a Jacob and an Israel? An Israel is and always was a firstborn....a Jacob is a second born whose name is changed to Israel and receives the firstborn blessing of the birthright. A Jacob started out as a second born....Israel’s started out as first borns and remain unchanged ......that is what the grafting in of the second born is about....you have to have a firstborn and a separate second born who will both have dominion.....Adam was never a Jacob/second born who had to have a name change to become a firstborn Israel as he already was an Israel. It’s the second borns who need the name change to become Israel’s not the actual firstborns as they already have that title. The problem the firstborns have is they don’t know the second borns get the birthright in order to have dominion over the priesthood on earth.....firstborns are kings ....second borns use the birthright to be the earthly high priest in order to bring salvation to the jues and armeghedon gentiles during the millennium.....but that is for another time at a future date in another realm...lol....til then have a good journey.


Ezekiel 37:22:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.......you can’t have 2 kingdoms/two families/two nations without having 2 representatives ......and with the reunification one representative isn’t going to take the other representatives dominion....because one representative is the king and the other representative is the high priest therefore when the reunification happens both representative will keep their dominion only the reunification will allow them to have dominion over both kingdoms...one king and the other high priest.
:leftrightkingpri:

Until you realize there are 2 Israel’s ....a firstborn israel and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel then your understanding will be stunted because Jesus is not only king of the firstborn but also of the second born.....which the volume of the book is about the separation and reunification of the firstborn Israel and second born Jacob whose name will be changed to Israel ....to bring forth the unification/marriage of the two kingdoms/families/representatives to make the two to become one.

In a marriage/unification who receives the name change? The feminine as the masculine already has the name. The kingship is the spiritual masculine...the priesthood is the spiritual feminine...The spiritual masculine is the firstborn...the spiritual feminine is the second born. Therefore Jacob the 2nd born is the spiritual feminine as Jacob gets the name change and uses the birthright to have dominion over the spiritual feminine position of the priesthood.

:Joseph and Judah:


Ask yourself if you were the representative of one of the two kingdoms and the reunification was happening would you say to the other representative take my dominion and I’ll just become one of your subjects? No one would give up a kingdom given to them and give all dominion to another. If they do then they never respected the privilege of having the dominion they were given.

:adameveside1:

:tree123::tree123:
 Quoting: waterman


PJ
 Quoting: Lies from you 79807111


that you stupidly think that when the person that God has chosen according to His Holy Scripture is so "weak" as to be banned he cannot be God's witness.

Let me tell you this, that God gives you the opportunity to show on what side you are, Satan's or God's, so He lets your rules play for some time to let you prove yourselves just, for afterwards, i.e. when God's true witnesses are public you can in no way dominate them anymore.

Your unrightheous treatment will then be seen by the whole world of those who care about what prophecy tella, the rest can go to hell as they decide.

God's power is coming, so you great country of world mission shall be seen for what you are!

Greetings
God's true witness

And you, S-wordlike (who is just like and not real) shall burn in hell for all eternity if you do not realise that it is indeed God's foretold last time witness who speaks to you!

Whoever I am
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had been operated by honest people who don't meddle with spiritual things they do not understand, then I would be given the opportunity to prove you S-wordlike to what is nothing else than satanic!!!

God's witness spoke
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people, that in Hab 3:5 God foretells you and us that His great work will begin after a great pestilence.

So when Corona is over it will be starting!

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PJ
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that you stupidly think that when the person that God has chosen according to His Holy Scripture is so "weak" as to be banned he cannot be God's witness.

Let me tell you this, that God gives you the opportunity to show on what side you are, Satan's or God's, so He lets your rules play for some time to let you prove yourselves just, for afterwards, i.e. when God's true witnesses are public you can in no way dominate them anymore.

Your unrightheous treatment will then be seen by the whole world of those who care about what prophecy tella, the rest can go to hell as they decide.

God's power is coming, so you great country of world mission shall be seen for what you are!

Greetings
God's true witness

And you, S-wordlike (who is just like and not real) shall burn in hell for all eternity if you do not realise that it is indeed God's foretold last time witness who speaks to you!

Whoever I am
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had been operated by honest people who don't meddle with spiritual things they do not understand, then I would be given the opportunity to prove you S-wordlike to what is nothing else than satanic!!!

God's witness spoke
 Quoting: If this site 79807111


people, that in Hab 3:5 God foretells you and us that His great work will begin after a great pestilence.

So when Corona is over it will be starting!

Whoever I am
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I choose, either life or destrucktion, for my words are terribly true.

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The Gospel of Jesus Christ and The Kingdom of God

Matthew 6:33 - New English Translation (2005)
33. But above all pursue his kingdom and righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

and righteousness

The fear of a Holy God

1 Peter 4:17-19 - New English Translation (2005)
17. For it is time for judgment to begin, starting with the house of God. And if it starts with us, what will be the fate of those who are disobedient to the gospel of God? 18. And if the righteous are barely saved, what will become of the ungodly and sinners? 19. So then let those who suffer according to the will of God entrust their souls to a faithful Creator as they do good.


1 Peter 1:13-16 - New English Translation (2005)
13. Therefore, get your minds ready for action by being fully sober, and set your hope completely on the grace that will be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed. 14. Like obedient children, do not comply with the evil urges you used to follow in your ignorance, 15. but, like the Holy One who called you, become holy yourselves in all of your conduct, 16. for it is written, "You shall be holy, because I am holy."


Jesus said

Revelation 3:4 - New English Translation (2005)
4. But you have a few individuals in Sardis who have not stained their clothes, and they will walk with me dressed in white, because they are worthy.

2 groups find the Kingdom

144,000 with clean clothes and in Rev 3:10 those alive at that moment are taken and keep during the time of the hour of testing

The many that are refined by fire in the hour of testing

They all show up at the 1st resurrection

This is both groups that come out of the 1st resurrection

Then the 2nd witness shows up for those in the Holy City

All the promises given to the Holy people called out by God in the OT will live under a new King in the Holy city

Ezekiel 43:1-5 - New English Translation (2005)
1. Then he brought me to the gate that faced toward the east. 2. I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east; the sound was like that of rushing water; and the earth radiated his glory. 3. It was like the vision I saw when he came to destroy the city, and the vision I saw by the Kebar River. I threw myself face down. 4. The glory of the LORD came into the temple by way of the gate that faces east. 5. Then a wind lifted me up and brought me to the inner court; I watched the glory of the LORD filling the temple.


The 2nd resurrection has judgment - life vs death

Revelation 20:11-15 - New English Translation (2005)
11. Then I saw a large white throne and the one who was seated on it; the earth and the heaven fled from his presence, and no place was found for them. 12. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne. Then books were opened, and another book was opened the book of life. So the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to their deeds. 13. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each one was judged according to his deeds. 14. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death the lake of fire. 15. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, that person was thrown into the lake of fire.

The first resurrection - spirit - the rewards of the Kingdom of God - spirit birth

The Second resurrection - flesh - the reward of the second resurrection - life vs death
 Quoting: Bayou Ice


2/24/21 - 5:15 in Baton Rouge

the call to the 7 churches for repentance

the 7 seals

the 7 trumpets

the closing 7 bowls

then Armageddon

The 1st resurrection - spirit - Jesus calls out His Kingdom

2 groups

Those that have clean clothes those walking with no stains

Revelation 3:4 - New English Translation (2005)
4. But you have a few individuals in Sardis who have not stained their clothes, and they will walk with me dressed in white, because they are worthy.

they are worthy walking in wisdom - deeds and obedience with faith unto salvation being born again into the faith and walking out the faith

1 Corinthians 3:1-4 - New English Translation (2005)
1. So, brothers and sisters, I could not speak to you as spiritual people, but instead as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. 2. I fed you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready. In fact, you are still not ready, 3. for you are still influenced by the flesh. For since there is still jealousy and dissension among you, are you not influenced by the flesh and behaving like unregenerate people? 4. For whenever someone says, "I am with Paul," or "I am with Apollos," are you not merely human?


Without spirit Father of the faith we end up with soul teaching that explains to us our life of sin. You will sin and you can't over-come sin.

You will not be perfect until you cross over the Jordan and walk out the perfection of Christ

Now in this teaching there is truth for when we do take on the fullness that which comes our way we will be more but there is still a standard to be found worthy

you have a few individuals in Sardis who have not stained their clothes, and they will walk with me dressed in white, because they are worthy.

Matthew 25:1-4 - New English Translation (2005)
1. "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2. Five of the virgins were foolish, and five were wise. 3. When the foolish ones took their lamps, they did not take extra olive oil with them. 4. But the wise ones took flasks of olive oil with their lamps.

A lamp is worthless with no oil

A lamp is worthy with oil

It is that simple

The reason I go over this over and over it happens soon.

The man-child goes up

The spirit is taken to a place prepared by God for 1260 days

Satan is given 1260 days

Then on a day that only God knows the ones worthy the First Fruits that are alive on that day are gathered and taken to a place keep from the hour of testing

The 7 seals are the story of the hour of testing and Satan and those that stand with him in Heaven being thrown out at the arrival of the man-child

They are used as a refining tool the in 5 of the seals - the 6th and 7th seals are ending events of the 7 seals

When mother spirit the mother of all born again is taken out of the way to a place prepared by God no new soul will be born again. The number is set

Those with clean clothes are keep

Those with stained clothes go into the refining fire to clean their clothes by obedience even unto death

Revelation 7:9-17 - New English Translation (2005)
9. After these things I looked, and here was an enormous crowd that no one could count, made up of persons from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb dressed in long white robes, and with palm branches in their hands. 10. They were shouting out in a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God, to the one seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!" 11. And all the angels stood there in a circle around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they threw themselves down with their faces to the ground before the throne and worshiped God, 12. saying, "Amen! Praise and glory, and wisdom and thanksgiving, and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!" 13. Then one of the elders asked me, "These dressed in long white robes who are they and where have they come from?" 14. So I said to him, "My lord, you know the answer." Then he said to me, "These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb! 15. For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them. 16. They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat, 17. because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."

For this reason - what reason ?

They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!

No one gets saved during the hour of testing

They repent of disobedience

1 Peter 4:17-18 - New English Translation (2005)
17. For it is time for judgment to begin, starting with the house of God. And if it starts with us, what will be the fate of those who are disobedient to the gospel of God? 18. And if the righteous are barely saved, what will become of the ungodly and sinners?

The ending of the seals

The 6th seal is Matt 24

Matthew 24:29-31 - New English Translation (2005)
29. "Immediately after the suffering of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken. 30. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all nopes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man arriving on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus Christ the 1st witness as Lord King of Kings gathers His Kingdom - the Sons of God

The 7th seal

After the 6th seal the 7th seal are events that take place before the blowing of the 1st trumpet

These events include the coming for of the 2nd witness

after the 6 seal - the time of the 630 day witness of the 2nd witness comes forth a witness to the living and the calling out of the 144,000 J-wish souls the 12,000 of each tribe of Jacob

Jesus moved in the spirit Father

the man-child will move in the spirit of Jesus Christ

The 2nd witness comes forth in the 7th chapter

Revelation 7:1-3 - New English Translation (2005)
1. After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so no wind could blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2. Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, who had the seal of the living God. He shouted out with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given permission to damage the earth and the sea: 3. "Do not damage the earth or the sea or the trees until we have put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."

This is the man-child

Ezekiel 9:2 - New English Translation (2005)
2. Next, I noticed six men coming from the direction of the upper gate which faces north, each with his war club in his hand. Among them was a man dressed in linen with a writing kit at his side. They came and stood beside the bronze altar.

a man dressed in linen - the is the 2nd witness - Jesus/man-child

Blessings

more later
 Quoting: Bayou Ice


2/25/21 - 5:52 am

Good morning and Blessings

will post Trumpets and closing Bowls to Armageddon

will explain the timeline given - Dan to Matt 24

then will explain the fullness of the timeline with understanding being given to me since Feb 7, 2021

Blessings

Trumpets

Revelation 8:1-6 - New English Translation (2005)
1. Now when the Lamb opened the seventh seal there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2. Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. 3. Another angel holding a golden censer came and was stationed at the altar. A large amount of incense was given to him to offer up, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar that is before the throne. 4. The smoke coming from the incense, along with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel's hand. 5. Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it on the earth, and there were crashes of thunder, roaring, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. 6. Now the seven angels holding the seven trumpets prepared to blow them.


We have seen the ending to the call of repentance to the 7 churches

Rev 3 to Rev 4

Now we are seeing the end of the age of the 1st resurrection and the starting of the age of the 2nd resurrection

The ending of the witness of the 1st witness - Jesus standing the Father

To the start of the witness of the 2nd witness - the man-child standing in Jesus Christ

The man-child standing in Jesus Christ was a long issue for me seeing - took much time -

The 2nd witness

Zechariah 6:12-13 - New English Translation (2005)
12. Then say to him, 'The LORD who rules over all says, "Look here is the man whose name is Branch, who will sprout up from his place and build the temple of the LORD. 13. Indeed, he will build the temple of the LORD, and he will be clothed in splendor, sitting as king on his throne. Moreover, there will be a priest with him on his throne and they will see eye to eye on everything.

Look here is the man whose name is Branch,

who will sprout up from his place

and build the temple of the LORD. 13.

Indeed, he will build the temple of the LORD, and he will be
clothed in splendor, sitting as king on his throne.

there will be a priest with him on his throne and they will see eye to eye on everything.

1st - a man

2nd - he will sprout up from his place

3rd - he will build the temple of the Lord

4th - he will be clothed in splendor

Zechariah 3:2-4 - New English Translation (2005)
2. The LORD said to Satan, "May the LORD rebuke you, Satan! May the LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Isn't this man like a burning stick snatched from the fire?" 3. Now Joshua was dressed in filthy clothes as he stood there before the angel. 4. The angel spoke up to those standing all around, "Remove his filthy clothes." Then he said to Joshua, "I have freely forgiven your iniquity and will dress you in fine clothing."


5th - there will be a priest with him on his throne and they will see eye to eye on everything.

Rev 3
21. I will grant the one who conquers permission to sit with me on my throne

Hebrews 7:15-17 - New English Translation (2005)
15. And this is even clearer if another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek, 16. who has become a priest not by a legal regulation about physical descent but by the power of an indestructible life. 17. For here is the testimony about him: "You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek."



I post this to gain the understanding I have been given

The 1st witness Jesus Christ my Lord and I pray my Lord is your Lord

The 1st witness has a much Higher calling from the Father than the 2nd witness

My Lord Jesus Christ is calling out the Sons of God

Revelation 20:4-6 - New English Translation (2005)
4. Then I saw thrones and seated on them were those who had been given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. These had not worshiped the beast or his image and had refused to receive his mark on their forehead or hand. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished.) This is the first resurrection.

6. Blessed and holy is the one who takes part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

The 1st resurrection
The 2nd resurrection

At the gathering in Matt 24 which is the 6th seal you have the ending of the time or age of the 1st resurrection

It lasted 2000 years with the mystery of the church age

You can not blend with one understanding both the 1st and 2nd resurrection

Now as we start the study of Trumpets we also start the witness of the 2nd witness that will last 1000 years until the 2nd resurrection

Blessings more later
 Quoting: Bayou Ice


Revelation 7:1-3 - New English Translation (2005)
1. After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so no wind could blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2. Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, who had the seal of the living God. He shouted out with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given permission to damage the earth and the sea:
3. "Do not damage the earth or the sea or the trees until we have put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."

Ezekiel 9:1-4 - New English Translation (2005)
1. Then he shouted in my ears, "Approach, you who are to visit destruction on the city, each with his destructive weapon in his hand!" 2. Next, I noticed six men coming from the direction of the upper gate which faces north, each with his war club in his hand. Among them was a man dressed in linen with a writing kit at his side. They came and stood beside the bronze altar. 3. Then the glory of the God of Israel went up from the cherub where it had rested to the threshold of the temple. He called to the man dressed in linen who had the writing kit at his side. 4. The LORD said to him, "Go through the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of the people who moan and groan over all the abominations practiced in it."

both of these verse reflect the coming forth of the 2nd witness to begin his 1000 year witness

Just as Jesus came forth shared a witness from heaven and died and after 3 days rose from the dead

The man-child will come forth share a witness from heaven and died after 3 days he will rise from death

So the man-child goes up and triggers Satan being cast out of heaven and then Satan knows he only has a short season left in fact it's 1260 days

Then the woman is sent to a place prepared by God for 1260 days

Then things heat up as the man-child is spoken into by the Lord God of heaven - made clean - given new clothes - the man-child being clean is made worthy and filled with the power of Jesus Christ Himself - the man-child will walk in the Glory of God seen as God Himself by Heaven but on Earth like Jesus darkness will not see the Glory of Heaven

As the seals are being opened the stage is set for the hour of testing - before the hour of testing begins - Rev 3:10 gathering of all First Fruits alive will be taken - those that have a walk of unstained clothes - they are found worthy

They are taken to a place waiting for the 6th seal to be open and the dead in Christ to rise

Then those alive at that moment are gathered with those that have been keep since Rev 3:10 from the hour of testing

Trumpets

Revelation 8:1-13 - New English Translation (2005)
1. Now when the Lamb opened the seventh seal there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2. Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. 3. Another angel holding a golden censer came and was stationed at the altar. A large amount of incense was given to him to offer up, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar that is before the throne. 4. The smoke coming from the incense, along with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel's hand. 5. Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it on the earth, and there were crashes of thunder, roaring, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake.

6. Now the seven angels holding the seven trumpets prepared to blow them.

7. The first angel blew his trumpet, and there was hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was thrown at the earth so that a third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

8. Then the second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain of burning fire was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea became blood, 9. and a third of the creatures living in the sea died, and a third of the ships were completely destroyed.

10. Then the third angel blew his trumpet, and a huge star burning like a torch fell from the sky; it landed on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. 11. (Now the name of the star is Wormwood.) So a third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from these waters because they were poisoned.

12. Then the fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. And there was no light for a third of the day and for a third of the night likewise. 13. Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying directly overhead, proclaiming with a loud voice, "Woe! Woe! Woe to those who live on the earth because of the remaining sounds of the trumpets of the three angels who are about to blow them!"

The 1st 4 mean just what is written

The 5th Trumpet - much has been revealed and open to me since

Feb 7, 2021

Blessings
 Quoting: Bayou Ice


I am doing this out of obedience

my hope that the few seeking might come across this

Blessings to those reading my heart as I share that given

Much love your way and the hope of Heaven and to be found to be in Him at His coming with clean clothes

I will post the rest of Trumpets and break in down by verse

I had NO full understanding pre-Oct 26, 2020 - my understanding of how my Lord moves grows daily and how limited my own understanding was

Our soul do not move as Heaven moves - our soul understanding and inspired thought are not even close to each other

A soul asked me about the dead sea scrolls which I have only looked into a little

I have had the same Bible in front of me my entire life and never did I have any understanding of the man-child with no teaching on the man-child and not much on the 2 witnesses

The reason - not much in the Bible about either and much of the understanding was sealed. It was sealed in my life when my Lord started speaking into me on Oct 7, 2018.

I am headed out to pray and spend some isolated time with my Lord. I wanted to share a little from my heart since I rarely just post any more.

When I was 13 my Lord moved over me twice - 1st time He showed me a vision with Him standing with His hand on the back of an empty throne - all that meant little to me as a 13 year old because I was looking at Jesus and with-in seconds as a preacher was preacher was preaching I needed to get saved I just ran to the alter

2nd - a vessel came to me much like this one in my 13th year

Ezekiel 1:1 - New English Translation (2005)
1. In the thirtieth year, on the fifth day of the fourth month, while I was among the exiles at the Kebar River, the heavens opened and I saw a divine vision.

It was my 13th year but what I saw was not a vision

Ezekiel 1:4 - New English Translation (2005)
4. As I watched, I noticed a windstorm coming from the north an enormous cloud, with lightning flashing, such that bright light rimmed it and came from it like glowing amber from the middle of a fire.

This is what I saw and 4 other souls saw it with me that evening

Then on Oct 7, 2018 and Dec 2, 2018

These 4 events happened to me - truth

I have shared much on what happened on Oct 7 and Dec 2

What my Lord has revealed to me since Oct 7 moves from that date until Dec 2, 2024

He has shared all major event dates with in the timeline except for Rev 3:10 gathering

The final 1260 days - Satan is thrown down and knows he has a short season

630 days of the 1st witness
630 days of the 2nd witness

The sudden going up of the man-child

The casting out of heaven - Satan

The coming down of the man-child

The starting of the Seals and Trumpets

The timing of the 1st resurrection

The timing of the 2nd witness coming back to earth

The timing of the death of the 2nd witness

The timing of the going up from the dead of the 2nd witness

The witness of the 2nd witness before Armageddon

The timing of Armageddon

This is what I share from my heart - I had no study I would share at all on any of this until it was given to me.

All I can do is make that statement

Events that happen that you can say - wow he was right

They will happen as you read your Bible - Matt 24 says when you see but you have to be careful what you are looking for based on the understanding of the timeline

In your soul you have a timeline now - most that study the Bible do. I would say that just about 100% of what you expect to happen based on your on soul study is wrong except for the one most important thing

Jesus is Lord and you have no hope outside of Jesus Christ

And we all believe in Matt 24:29

Matthew 24:29-31 - New English Translation (2005)
29. "Immediately after the suffering of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken. 30. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all nopes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man arriving on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


But - read what I have said about clean clothes

Revelation 3:4-5 - New English Translation (2005)
4. But you have a few individuals in Sardis who have not stained their clothes, and they will walk with me dressed in white, because they are worthy. 5. The one who conquers will be dressed like them in white clothing, and I will never erase his name from the book of life, but will declare his name before my Father and before his angels.

We have had little teaching on the Holy Way and walking in His obedience

Revelation 7:14 - New English Translation (2005)
14. So I said to him, "My lord, you know the answer." Then he said to me, "These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!

We as a people have had little teaching on anything other than knowing the name of Jesus Christ and praying the sinners prayer

Blessings over all that preach Jesus Christ and the power of His name

but

if you hear but do not do

Matthew 7:24-27 - New English Translation (2005)
24. "Everyone who hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25. The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, but it did not collapse because it had been founded on rock. 26. Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27. The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, and it collapsed; it was utterly destroyed!"

Matthew 7:21 - New English Translation (2005)
21. "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the kingdom of heaven only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.


Matthew 7:22-23 - New English Translation (2005)
22. On that day, many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?' 23. Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!'



lawbreakers

that would be fools walking in disobedience

I am sharing with you in obedience and out of love

Much comes this way soon

Blessings
 Quoting: Bayou Ice


2/25/21 - 6:17 pm

Blessings

The 5th trumpet

Jude 1:6 - New English Translation (2005)
6. You also know that the angels who did not keep within their proper domain but abandoned their own place of residence, he has kept in eternal chains in utter darkness, locked up for the judgment of the great Day.

angels who did not keep within their proper domain

kept in eternal chains in utter darkness

Revelation 11:7 - New English Translation (2005)
7. When they have completed their testimony, the beast that comes up from the abyss will make war on them and conquer them and kill them.

Revelation 9:1 - New English Translation (2005)
1. Then the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the abyss.

Revelation 9:11 - New English Translation (2005)
11. They have as king over them the angel of the abyss, whose name in nope is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.

Apollyon is a very evil fallen angel

Genesis 6:2-4 - New English Translation (2005)
2. the sons of God saw that the daughters of humankind were beautiful. Thus they took wives for themselves from any they chose. 3. So the LORD said, "My spirit will not remain in humankind indefinitely, since they are mortal. They will remain for 120 more years." 4. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days (and also after this) when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind, who gave birth to their children. They were the mighty heroes of old, the famous men.

when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind

You also know that the angels who did not keep within their proper domain but abandoned their own place of residence,

After Apollyon is released from the abyss

things get very bad and it is the evil that is set-in place

The opening of the abyss is a very big deal and much evil is release up to the killing of the 2nd witness

7. When they have completed their testimony, the beast that comes up from the abyss will make war on them and conquer them and kill them.

Revelation 9:11-12 - New English Translation (2005)
11. They have as king over them the angel of the abyss, whose name in nope is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. 12. The first woe has passed, but two woes are still coming after these things!

The first woe has passed

Blessings
 Quoting: Bayou Ice


I pray a Blessing over this day and those reading the flow of my heart as I post in obedience to my Lord God Jesus Christ

Blessing be with you in the midst of this day as I move into the darkness of the night

I pray you return on 2/26/21 as I share more on Trumpets and the coming events that will bring forth the Sons of God in truth during Matt 24:29-31

We are at the ending events of this age as we move toward the age of peace that will last 1000 years

Blessings
 Quoting: Bayou Ice


2/26/21 - 5:28 am

Blessings in the midst of this day as I wait to see the Glory of the light given as the sun will rise to drive the darkness of the night, to move my day into the midst of the Glory of that light given to me by my Lord Jesus Christ.

The living water of this day for this life

John 3:6-7 - New English Translation (2005)
6. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must all be born from above.'

what is flesh is flesh

what is born of the Spirit is spirit

1 John 5:8 - New English Translation (2005)
8. the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement.

John 4:9-10 - New English Translation (2005)
9. So the Samaritan woman said to him, "How can you a nope ask me, a Samaritan woman, for water to drink?" (For get lost use nothing in common with Samaritans.) 10. Jesus answered her, "If you had known the gift of God and who it is who said to you, 'Give me some water to drink,' you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water."

you would drink of this living water

That we can come to the life of heaven given by our Lord Jesus Christ

What is life if it is not finding my Lord in the midst of this moment that I have been given

This day comes forth and what is that I will find myself doing but enjoying the moment of life walking with my Lord Jesus Christ as I walk out that given in this new life.

1 John 5:4 - New English Translation (2005)
4. because everyone who has been fathered by God conquers the world. This is the conquering power that has conquered the world: our faith.


You see we just went through the call to repentance of the 7 churches

1

Revelation 2:7 - New English Translation (2005)
7. The one who has an ear had better hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers, I will permit him to eat from the tree of life that is in the paradise of God.'

2

Revelation 2:11 - New English Translation (2005)
11. The one who has an ear had better hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will in no way be harmed by the second death.'

3

Revelation 2:16-17 - New English Translation (2005)
16. Therefore, repent! If not, I will come against you quickly and make war against those people with the sword of my mouth. 17. The one who has an ear had better hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers, I will give him some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and on that stone will be written a new name that no one can understand except the one who receives it.'

4

Revelation 2:26-29 - New English Translation (2005)
26. And to the one who conquers and who continues in my deeds until the end, I will give him authority over the nations 27. he will rule them with an iron rod and like clay jars he will break them to pieces, 28. just as I have received the right to rule from my Father and I will give him the morning star. 29. The one who has an ear had better hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'

5

Revelation 3:5-6 - New English Translation (2005)
5. The one who conquers will be dressed like them in white clothing, and I will never erase his name from the book of life, but will declare his name before my Father and before his angels. 6. The one who has an ear had better hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'

6

Revelation 3:12-13 - New English Translation (2005)
12. The one who conquers I will make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never depart from it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from my God), and my new name as well. 13. The one who has an ear had better hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'

7

Revelation 3:21-22 - New English Translation (2005)
21. I will grant the one who conquers permission to sit with me on my throne, just as I too conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22. The one who has an ear had better hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"

I pray you as any soul that reads this post will slow down and ponder the Glory of life given

What is your day outside of the will of God - nothing but a vapor

What is your day in Jesus Christ born again into His Glorious Kingdom - everything

1 John 5:11-12 - New English Translation (2005)
11. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12. The one who has the Son has this eternal life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have this eternal life.


this life is in His Son


1 John 5:18-20 - New English Translation (2005)
18. We know that everyone fathered by God does not sin, but God protects the one he has fathered, and the evil one cannot touch him. 19. We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. 20. And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us insight to know him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God and eternal life.


To know Jesus is to know in your on life that you have been born out of sin into His righteousness given.

everyone father by God does not sin

sin is simple to express - to walk out of obedience into
disobedience

Don't make it something that it is not

Make it the feeling of being in Him walking in His spirit of truth

If you have not experienced the Glory of being in Jesus and only know His name you need the more of His spirit

Acts 2:1-4 - New English Translation (2005)
1. Now when the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. 2. Suddenly a sound like a violent wind blowing came from heaven and filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3. And tongues spreading out like a fire appeared to them and came to rest on each one of them. 4. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit, and they began to speak in other languages as the Spirit enabled them.


Soul teaching turns this early experience into a teaching on speaking in tongues

This is being filled with Heaven and the water promised to the woman at the well

I will given you water that you will never thirst again

the blood and the spirit

How can you say you have been filled with the spirit if you do not walk in the spirit

How can you say you are in Him if you still struggle with the sin of disobedience

Do you walk in the first Adam or do you walk in the second Adam

Life vs Death

obedience vs disobedience

Blessings

I hope to spend much time today posting - we shall see what the day brings forth

Blessings
 Quoting: Bayou Ice


Before I leave the teaching of the 5th Trumpet I must add some understanding of timing my Lord has revealed to me since
Feb 7, 2021

My Lord on Oct 7, 2020 started giving me a timeline

That timeline is as follows

May 15, 1948 to May 15, 2017 = 69 years

May 15, 2017 to Feb 4, 2019 = 630 days

Feb 4, 2019 to April 8, 2024 = 1890 days

May 15, 2017 to Oct 26, 2020 = 1260 days

Oct 26, 2020 to April 8, 2024 = 1260 days

May 15, 2017 to April 8, 2024 = 2520 days

I now see this as the Daniel timeline

My Lord changed this timeline for me starting on Dec 4, 2019
by adding 56 days but I didn't see - I had limited understanding

I have been praying for years for understanding of the following

Daniel 12:7 - New English Translation (2005)
7. Then I heard the man clothed in linen who was over the waters of the river as he raised both his right and left hands to the sky and made an oath by the one who lives forever: "It is for a time, times, and half a time. Then, when the power of the one who shatters the holy people has been exhausted, all these things will be finished."

"It is for a time, times, and half a time.

1 year + 2 years + 1/2 year - a year 360 days

3 x 360 = 1080
.5 x 360 = 180

180 + 1080 = 1260 or 3 1/2 years or 42 months = 30 days each

This is basic 70 weeks math

but

Daniel 12:11-12 - New English Translation (2005)
11. From the time that the daily sacrifice is removed and the abomination that causes desolation is set in place, there are 1,290 days. 12. Blessed is the one who waits and attains to the 1,335 days.

Through my life I have prayed much about the 1290 days and the
1335 days

Jesus speaks of this abomination of desolation or the A.O.D.

Matthew 24:15-17 - New English Translation (2005)
15. "So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken about by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16. then those in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17. The one on the roof must not come down to take anything out of his house,

The many teach a temple will be built during the 7 years of the taught tribulation and in the middle of the 7 years the AOD would be when the anti-christ the one who signed a 7 year peace deal would come to this temple stop the daily sacrifice and state he was God that this would be the A.O.D.

I stop believing this 20 years ago

The abomination I thought would be Satan being thrown down to earth

But Satan is not thrown down to earth - he is thrown out of heaven that only leaves Earth a place where he has been the price of the air since the 1st Adam gave him the right to reign as Adam walked into disobedience and the 1st Adam had no new covenant given

Daniel 9:27 - New English Translation (2005)
27. He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. But in the middle of that week he will bring sacrifices and offerings to a halt.

1 week in the 70 weeks of Daniel is 7 years 360 days x 7 = 2,520 days

My Lord has been confirming this new covenant in the new birth through the mother spirit of this new convent since the cross even until now.

At His death my Lord made the Temple of the old covenant void of worth no longer needed - the veil tore top to bottom

1260 days was given to my Lord 2000 years ago and the 2 witnesses promised to come

Revelation 11:3 - New English Translation (2005)
3. And I will grant my two witnesses authority to prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.

The voice of the 1st witness at this moment is the very spirit of God

John 16:5-11 - New English Translation (2005)
5. But now I am going to the one who sent me, and not one of you is asking me, 'Where are you going?' 6. Instead your hearts are filled with sadness because I have said these things to you. 7. But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I am going away. For if I do not go away, the Advocate will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you. 8. And when he comes, he will prove the world wrong concerning sin and righteousness and judgment 9. concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10. concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will see me no longer; 11. and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been condemned.


So follow this

This has to do with the first witness

May 15, 2017 to Oct 26, 2020 = 1260 days but my Lord started with me on Oct 7, 2018 and Dec 2, 2018 with 2 measure assignments

I was given 56 days and 63 days - 56 + 63 = 119 days

Slow down and just read to understand

I didn't understand the fullness of the 56 and 63 until just a few weeks ago

In Oct of 2020 the only thing I saw was the Daniel timeline

This also has to do with the 5th trumpet but that will be on my next post

1260 day from May 15, 2017 ended on Oct 26, 2020 - I expected much to happen on that day - nothing

On Dec 4th, 2019 my Lord had told me to add 56 days to Nov 18, 2019 which was the 343 day count to Oct 26, 2020.

I added 56 days and it came to Jan 13, 2020 which was 287 days until Oct 26, 2020. 287 was the only number I got.

As Oct 26, 2020 came I moved into serious prayer because of all that my Lord had moved over me since Oct 7, 2018.

The number 1204 came over me a couple of times - 1204 meant something to other dear souls but nothing to me.

But I saw 1204 + 56 = 1260

I then add 56 days to Oct 26, 2020 and got Dec 21, 2020

Now understand this - on July 10th, 2020 my Lord gave me a sign at my cross location but it had no understanding

Then of July 26, 2020 as I was leaving my cross prayer location my Lord spoke into me Isaiah 38:7 and that was it and I told my Lord I would look it up when I got home.

Isaiah 38:7 - New English Translation (2005)
7. Isaiah replied, "This is your sign from the LORD confirming that the LORD will do what he has said:

I had no real understanding of that either

So between Oct 26, 2020 and Dec 21, 2020 (I posted most of this during that time) my Lord moved over me with 1141 / 56 and 63 / 56+63 = 119

Then my Lord moved this over me

July 10th, 2020 add 119 days = Nov 6, 2020 my birthday

Then take 1141 days back from Nov 6, 2020

From and including: Saturday, September 23, 2017
To and including: Friday, November 6, 2020
Result: 1141 days

My birthday back to the sign of the woman - Sept 23, 2017

Revelation 12:1-2 - New English Translation (2005)
1. Then a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars. 2. She was pregnant and was screaming in labor pains, struggling to give birth.

Now if you look at it this way

May 15, 2017 add 56 days =

From Monday, May 15, 2017
Added 56 days
Result: Monday, July 10, 2017

July 10, 2017 add 119 days =

From Monday, July 10, 2017
Added 119 days
Result: Monday, November 6, 2017

Nov 6, 2017 add 1141 days =

From Monday, November 6, 2017
Added 1141 days
Result: Monday, December 21, 2020

This was the sign promised in Isaiah 38:7

I said yes Lord was humble and broken before Him and slowed down my soul always trying to understand and started waiting for understanding as given.

My Lord then told me after Dec 21, 2020 the winter solstice to add 63 days to Dec 21, 2020

From Monday, December 21, 2020
Added 63 days
Result: Monday, February 22, 2021

This is lots of numbers - now that I have all this posted I am going to update and come back later to pull it all together

You know a little study in the midst of your day moving toward the Kingdom of God is a very good thing

Those of you that blow all this off - my prayer is that for you that you would allow yourself just to open just a little to something that is a little odd and I know it is.

It was odd for me standing at my mail box and hear a voice say
"did you know it's 777 step to the church on the corner"

But after my wife and I measured it off together and we both saw 777 feet it was even more odd.

I had no understanding and it took a year just to have a little understanding of what I knew was me hearing from God but my soul understanding was lacking - was lacking big time !!!

Blessings
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I know what I just posted was a great deal of calendar math

Look at the numbers

lots of 343 / 56 / 63 / 1141 / I left off 119

in what is coming its 119 / 287 / 343

Time is short and what I have coming will express that

Blessings
 Quoting: Bayou Ice


Blessings

This will take time this post

I want to assure and be careful with each word I post

Blessings

Revelation 11:1-3 - New English Translation (2005)
1. Then a measuring rod like a staff was given to me, and I was told, "Get up and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and the ones who worship there.

2. But do not measure the outer courtyard of the temple; leave it out, because it has been given to the Gentiles, and they will trample on the holy city for forty-two months.

3. And I will grant my two witnesses authority to prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.

42 months and 42 months

42 x 30 = 1260 days x 2

I was given a get up and measure on Oct 7, 2018 after my Lord told me "did you know it's 777 steps to the corner church"

On Sunday Oct 7, 2018 I did nothing but look down toward the corner church that I can't see from my house and just go - hmmm.

The next day I couldn't get that voice out of my head and on my way home I stopped at the back parking lot of the church and walked off my 2 step 5 foot pace and spoke out loud.

My Lord how long is this step? 1 foot

My Lord where do I start? your front propety line

My Lord where do I stop? this step that I was standing close to

Then I said well that is all I need-I went to Home Depot and bought a wheel measure unit and came home. I talked to my wife and told her she needed to be my witness.

We both walked it off and as the measure unit hit the bottom step - the step I was told - we both looked down and saw 777

It was 777.7 feet

For me it was hard to believe but it was what it was

Then on Dec 2, 2018 at the local dog park very early allowing my Lab to run around in and out of the park woods.

As I was sitting on the bench watching my Lab my Lord starting speaking into me about days of prayer and fasting on and off.

3 days on / 3 days off / 7 days on / 7 days off

I used my smart phone and it ended on Feb 4, 2019

I was thinking wow - that was some detail and I was trying to understand what my Lord was doing with me.

Then I got into my truck and started driving of my Lord spoke into me - measure the length of my main road the leads to the corner church where I turn and go down 777 feet to my house but my Lord wanted me to measure the full length of that road.

So I went to the end of it and turned around hit my trip meter and measured the full length. 2.5 miles and as soon as I said 2.5 miles out loud my Lord said - that's right and I said what is right?

I went home and as soon as I get through my back door my Lord told me to get a calculator and I did.

I did not catch the full math that I did on my own calculator but I was looking at 1890.

My Lord said to take 1890 days back from April 8, 2024.

From Monday, April 8, 2024
Subtracted 1890 days
Result: Monday, February 4, 2019

I was amazed - Feb 4, 2019 again

What did it mean ? no idea

I worked the math to find what I had done with my Lord

1260 x 2.5 = 3150
3150 - 1260 = 1890

Feb 4, 2019 came - nothing

I share this story again to make those things fresh to me and fresh to you

After Oct 26, 2020 with nothing happening my Lord used a series of number to give me the sign He promised on July 26, 2020. I have just posted that today.

to make it fresh

So between Oct 26, 2020 and Dec 21, 2020 (I posted most of this during that time) my Lord moved over me with 1141 / 56 and 63 / 56+63 = 119

Then my Lord moved this over me

July 10th, 2020 add 119 days = Nov 6, 2020 my birthday

Then take 1141 days back from Nov 6, 2020

From and including: Saturday, September 23, 2017
To and including: Friday, November 6, 2020
Result: 1141 days

My birthday back to the sign of the woman - Sept 23, 2017

Revelation 12:1-2 - New English Translation (2005)
1. Then a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars. 2. She was pregnant and was screaming in labor pains, struggling to give birth.

Now if you look at it this way

May 15, 2017 add 56 days =

From Monday, May 15, 2017
Added 56 days
Result: Monday, July 10, 2017

July 10, 2017 add 119 days =

From Monday, July 10, 2017
Added 119 days
Result: Monday, November 6, 2017

Nov 6, 2017 add 1141 days =

From Monday, November 6, 2017
Added 1141 days
Result: Monday, December 21, 2020

This was the sign promised in Isaiah 38:7

I said yes Lord was humble and broken before Him and slowed down my soul always trying to understand and started waiting for understanding as given.

My Lord then told me after Dec 21, 2020 the winter solstice to add 63 days to Dec 21, 2020

From Monday, December 21, 2020
Added 63 days
Result: Monday, February 22, 2021

I am going to post this and start a new post

Blessings
 Quoting: Bayou Ice


What my Lord started speaking to me often since Feb 7, 2021

Blessings
 Quoting: Bayou Ice



Many, many, many, many, many, many words

to say what?

Does anyone know

or is this truly madness?




So for how long have you thought that everything you think is Jesus speaking to you in your head

and that you alone have all the correct interpretations of all of these things?

Is this also too much to ask?
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Can you please start a thread where you will honestly deal with honest challenges to the things you say?

No prophet of The Almighty could possibly have a fear of this.
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Well PJ I did intend to respond to your accusations against me. But as I returned to your comments about "What S-wordlike wrote" it dawned upon me I pretty well answered most of your questions already.

I don't think I actually realized how superficial you actually were in your understanding scripture and void of discerning simple comprehension until I began reading your responses to my post.

Actually you have no concept of the body/soul/spirit of mankind's make-up and what it consist of.

Apparently from reading your statement you believe God's spirit is the portion that is of man's spirit. And I am assuming your reasoning consist of the soul of man and the spirit are the same dual make-up of the element within the flesh of an individual. In other-words you believe the soul and spirit of man is one of the same.

Wow! No wonder you consist of confusing statements and baffling beliefs in your post. If you haven't even the basic concept toward understanding man in his creators image; and doesn't even hold the same example of that same image as that of his creator, in body/soul (mind)/ and spirit. You would have a tendency to have a misconception of the bigger picture of a myriad of things relating to scripture.

God's Spirit doesn't live in man's body! He may dwell therein if invited. But he is never invited in the lives of nonbelievers. Yet, like all men they all have a spirit of their own, as well as a soul and a body. God's spirit can never constitute man's spirit within himself.

The only difference for the believer is the non-believer's spirit is asleep and will remain so throughout his/her life unless awakened by the grace of our Lord. Whereas, in the life of the believer it is awakened. Not just for the lone purpose to being awake but in the hope of awakening those who remain asleep!

This is the reason Enoch in the Ethiopian version of the Book of (1 Enoch.39:6) in Enoch's visitation to heaven he declares:

(1 Enoch.39:6) And in that place mine eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and faith.


Now, we must pause here for a moment to dispel what most have always been taught and believed. That the Elect One is always talking about Jesus Christ! Well, no, not really!

First of all Jesus could never be considered the Elect One. For as Enoch will reveal later in his book within the passages. The elect were at one time of a sinful nature, and thus also, so would have been the Elect One. Jesus never had a sinful nature, and was neither born into this world with such a nature. For unlike all others, all mankind were blood-born subjects to their Father after sin. For their Father Satan had a claim to everyone through the fall of Adam to the bondage of sin.

Nevertheless, Jesus was not subject to a fleshly bondage but born after the spirit and came forth a free man from his Father of Righteousness.

So Jesus could never be categorized as the Elect One. For of all the endeavors he undertook either in his earthly conquest or the heavenly realm, Jesus as the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God. He was never elected to do anything. He chose to be our savior, not elected to be. He chose to give his life for us, not because he was elected to do so. He did all that he did by his own choosing and decisions. Not as someone elected to some office. Jesus is a King not someone Elected!

Thus, that Elect One, that servant, in (Isa.42:1KJV) is not the Father speaking of his Son Jesus, as men of little understanding has taught other foolish men. But Jesus is speaking about his spiritual son his loyal servant.

How do we know that it is Jesus speaking and declaring his servant and not the Father speaking about Jesus. Because the word declares who it is that is speaking about his Elect One and who it is that is speaking in the following verses

The Word declares it is Jesus speaking about this servant, his Elect One, and the purpose of that Elect One/servant in the end days, throughout chapters (Isa.40-49KJV).

Thus to make it understandable, the Word declares the speaker as the following individual:

The one who is the King of Jacob (Isa41:21KJV).
The Holy one of Israel, thy savior (Isa 43:3KJV).
The Lord your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel (Isa.43:14KJV).
I am the Lord your Holy One of Israel, Your King (Isa. 43:15KJV).
Thus, saith the Lord, thy Redeemer and that formed thee from the womb, I am the lord that makes all things, that stretches forth the heavens alone: that spreads abroad the earth by myself (Isa.44:24KJV).

Now all theses verses and different passages speaks clearly as to this one being called the Redeemer; (Only Jesus has that title (Redeemer), for he alone paid the price. This one speaking claims to be the creator of all things, and stretched out the heavens and spread abroad the earth by himself This is the one who is called the Word who came in the flesh. Even the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Even the Word was in the beginning and he created all things, even/only Jesus (John 1:1-14KJV). The king of Jacob/Israel, only Jesus holds that title. The Word seeks to make it clear the speaker here is not the Father but the Son (Jesus) who is declaring his Elect One.

YET, TO MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER JESUS ALSO DECLARES HIS ELECT ONE, SERVANT, HIDDEN ONE IN (ISA.49:2KJV). AND THAT HE HAS HID HIM IN THE SHADOW OF HIS HAND(work). Making it very clear that of the Godhead only Jesus has the ability to cast a shadow to hid someone. Because of the trinity only Jesus consist of the bodily make-up of flesh and bone after his resurrection; and thus able to cast a shadow. And these passages are speaking of a distant future at the time of its writings and an end time happening.

Now we know according to scripture, the Word cannot contradict itself. Thus, the Word declares that God the Father of lights has no shadow, neither a shadow of turning (James.1:17KJV) For the Father is of Spirit and light and thus is not able to cast shadows, neither that of the Holy Spirit because again he is of spirit and not of flesh.

So according to scripture there is an Elect, hidden, servant hidden for the end days; but it isn't Jesus. And no man can see him or understand his coming or those that be with him until the daytime (light of revelation), (2 Esdras.13:52KJV). And who can see what Jesus has hidden. And who has helped concealed this evidence from those uninformed. Men of tradition and false understandings; claiming to know not what they themselves cannot see within God's Word.

So Enoch in his vision sought to understand and desired the placement the Elect one was seated. And Enoch sought to rest in that place and dwell beneath that lofty place beneath the wings of the Lord of spirits even the (Most High).

Now what Enoch saw was a high place of order; a dwelling therein by on who is called the Elect One, the son of man, the chosen one, the righteous one, the hidden one. And Enoch desired that place. Now Enoch knew this was not the seating place of one of the Godhead's for in so knowing he would never sought such a position. But he knew that it was the highest order of a mortal man. The preeminent one amongst the chosen, called, patriots and the saints of God, who would rule in his age (1 Enoch.39:6).

Enoch was promised a portion of where that man sat. Enoch could not understand how he could be given a portion of that which he so desired. But later Enoch when he ask who was that son of man, he was told it was himself.

Now what Enoch was told is the it was himself setting in that lofty place and he was that man he had beheld. Although Enoch would one day fulfill that position (portion) in part, as was promised to him. Enoch could not understand, he was in part beholding himself but in/of his spirit only. He didn't recognize the body or the soul of that man therein upon that throne. For it was that Enoch to come forth for the end days and show himself that he was beholding and he didn't recognize the facial features, for only that one’s spirit was of Enoch.

S-wordlike.
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What’s the difference between a Jacob and an Israel? An Israel is and always was a firstborn....a Jacob is a second born whose name is changed to Israel and receives the firstborn blessing of the birthright. A Jacob started out as a second born....Israel’s started out as first borns and remain unchanged ......that is what the grafting in of the second born is about....you have to have a firstborn and a separate second born who will both have dominion.....Adam was never a Jacob/second born who had to have a name change to become a firstborn Israel as he already was an Israel. It’s the second borns who need the name change to become Israel’s not the actual firstborns as they already have that title. The problem the firstborns have is they don’t know the second borns get the birthright in order to have dominion over the priesthood on earth.....firstborns are kings ....second borns use the birthright to be the earthly high priest in order to bring salvation to the jues and armeghedon gentiles during the millennium.....but that is for another time at a future date in another realm...lol....til then have a good journey.


Ezekiel 37:22:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.......you can’t have 2 kingdoms/two families/two nations without having 2 representatives ......and with the reunification one representative isn’t going to take the other representatives dominion....because one representative is the king and the other representative is the high priest therefore when the reunification happens both representative will keep their dominion only the reunification will allow them to have dominion over both kingdoms...one king and the other high priest.
leftrightkingpri

Until you realize there are 2 Israel’s ....a firstborn israel and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel then your understanding will be stunted because Jesus is not only king of the firstborn but also of the second born.....which the volume of the book is about the separation and reunification of the firstborn Israel and second born Jacob whose name will be changed to Israel ....to bring forth the unification/marriage of the two kingdoms/families/representatives to make the two to become one.

In a marriage/unification who receives the name change? The feminine as the masculine already has the name. The kingship is the spiritual masculine...the priesthood is the spiritual feminine...The spiritual masculine is the firstborn...the spiritual feminine is the second born. Therefore Jacob the 2nd born is the spiritual feminine as Jacob gets the name change and uses the birthright to have dominion over the spiritual feminine position of the priesthood.

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Ask yourself if you were the representative of one of the two kingdoms and the reunification was happening would you say to the other representative take my dominion and I’ll just become one of your subjects? No one would give up a kingdom given to them and give all dominion to another. If they do then they never respected the privilege of having the dominion they were given.

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Waterman has a need to conjure up an individual that has no existence in Scripture. No two individuals are named Jacob and Israel. Only one is so named; Jacob who God named Israel (meaning prince) are both the same man/individual. There are not two men separate in themselves meant to be called Israel and another Jacob.

This is only another fantasy of his own version of some homemade scripture that he seeks to consecrate within his own paradox. Yet, in other examples Jacob and Israel can be construed as two subject matters when applied to nations/tribal positions, and of course misinterpretations of its meaning. But it is never meant to be used as two separate individuals.

As far as Waterman spewing out his version of traditional examples of the past projections of old things and old ways. He fails to heed scripture and the Words declared clearly in Scripture.

(Mark.7:13KJV) Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.

Thus, instead of following what the Word declares now that Christ has exampled a new thing and put to death traditional examples. We have most who still follow tradition and not the ways of Christ. Even to believing that the Temple is the example of God's dwelling place. When in reality they shall form such a monstrosity for the setting of the anti-Christ. For men seek not the true Temple of God and those who dwell therein. For they look for the old things and failed traditions and the old ways!

But such traditional things are now contradictory to the Word and the confirmation of the final actions of our God. And above all the example of our affirmative actions as his example. For through Jesus' actions all traditions are nullified and all ways become a new example of past and old ways.

(2 Cor.5:7KJV) "Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature (creation):Old things are passed away; all things are become new (even traditions)."

Thus, what is our obligation in this scenario. Our obligation is to conform to the ways of his Son not following after old traditions. Men who follow not the examples of Christ, are bound to follow traditions, and are as dead as their inward being. Thus, they follow after sight and hold onto nothing after the example of faith. And they build buildings of false worship to view and examples of silly traditions of non-conforming toward God's own command. For we walk by faith not by sight (2 Cor..5:7KJV).

(Rom.8:9KJV) But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

(Rom.8:29KJV) "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren."


We are called to conform to the Image of his Son; not to follow some silly tradition. Of course traditional observance was appropriate in its time and after its example. And it was required in its time to follow the ways of a dual office fulfilled by two different individual. One a royal position the other a priestly one.

And if one sought to fill the others position the wrath of God would surely descend. Not that the two position was not meant to be fulfilled by a single individual eventually, to eliminate that tradition. But that Individual had to accomplish the greater task of fulfilling both his position as king and priest through a sacrificial death.

Afterwards, then that dual position was meant to be one office, both in heaven and on earth as our example of our conforming to his Son; as God desires (Rom.8:29KJV).

Now some, like Waterman, say this is meant at some future date even long after the millennial reign, when we all will be in heaven. No for the Word must never contradict itself.

Now we are told that we as believers in (1 Pet.2:9KJV):

(1Pet.2:9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.


If Peter were addressing only those who one day end up in heaven; and not believers here and now on earth. Why would he say we are a peculiar people? In heaven we wouldn't be peculiar but would blend in with all the other Saints. No he is speaking to the believers of his day and the future generation /followers in Christ on earth.

So during those and these days the royal office and the priesthood seems to blend into one (a royal Priest-hood). No not sometime somewhere in heaven, but on earth!

This is why the prince of/in Israel shall be of a royal nature, (a prince) (Ezek.44:3KJV). And also the same man of a priestly figure in (Ezek.46:2KJV). This individual called a prince throughout these chapters (Ezek.44-47KJV) are speaking of the same individual as certified by all Scholars, Theologians, and Rabbis that look at his name in scripture as (NASI). Thus, meaning a governor/ruler/king president/leader, it is but one individual fulfilling both offices during the millennial age, and not two individuals in two different offices!

Thus, PJ if you are concurring with waterman's version as it seems you are. You might be as confused as him in comprehending the deeper things of Scriptural meanings and the more lucid purpose of its sole endeavors.
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PJ.. Toward your reply concerning your desire to display a form of intellectual grasp of scripture and its comprehensible meaning; you have of course once again failed.

You claim that the resurrection of mankind is not complete until the last day. That is true. Yet this subject matter being discuss in your post has nothing even close to the point that was being projection against your argument. You only speak of the final victory of mankind's purpose in body/soul/spirit. But you leave us no explanation of other reasons Elijah again appears or Enoch is translated but never returns as of yet.

You're a common example of all cult leaders/false prophets/and fake teachers through the years that desire to take God's Word out of context and apply/twist it to your own reasoning and interpretation. And I have studied many and ran into a few for myself. Your concepts are veiled as has been all false teachers having such desires over the ages, from Satan's time until foolish men begin to first appear.

Your example in (John.6:39KJV) is of the full joint make-up of all three elements of man in the last day description of his body/soul/and spirit.

This concept has nothing to do with the soul or spiritual portion of God's perspective of man's overall condition/final arrangement. There are more than one aspect toward the advancement of reaching that final goal.

For the believer it must start with rebirth. Next requires the advancement within that birth whether it be toward glory or shame at his appearing.. For few are made-up after the example of the gold/silver/and precious jewels.

Next is the walk and finally our death. But this is not the last days for us in this death but a holding place whether believers or non-believers. For the believer our place is obvious declared in (2 Cor.5:8KJV) To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Thus, your theory of laying in death for ages before that last days is contrary to the Word and holds no truth as toward the way you express/interpret it. This meaning only applies to the body/flesh of man, (John.6:39KJV). But not to the spirit or the soul of man.

How can a believer's spirit die once it is made alive by God's Spirit? Although beforehand it was asleep, as is the non-believers now. In Christ it lives and comprehends truth!

As toward the unbeliever; Jesus gave us an example through his parable concerning the rich man, (Luke.16:19-31KJV), And at his death he was summarily in Sheol/Hades, in soul/spirit and a form of his body. Yet his carcass remained in the dust of the ground. And he was reaping the evil excesses in his life he had sown in the land of his living.

But your biggest folly excludes the fact our example as believers must be in conformity to the example of our Lord and his transformation at his death. (Rom.8:29KJV) For whom he first foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren.

Thus, Christ gives us an example that he is a risen Christ, alive and living. And not some body waiting in the grave, died in body/spirit/and soul. Thus being Unable to respond to God or others.

If we as believers are to be conformed in his Son's image as God commands (Rom.8:29KJV). How shall we remain in such a lifeless state at the time of our death?

And shall not those patriots that rose up with Christ at the time of his death/calling should have also remained in that permanent state of death, as you claim until the last day. Instead we read they rose from their graves walking about the city of Jerusalem after they had been dead, (Matt.27:52-53KJV), and according to you PJ could not have possibly return until the last day.

I have many other things to say to you PJ, about other misconceptions of your interpretations of scripture and your general lack of understanding the meaning of the Word. As for the promise men of faith had not yet found their purpose (Heb.11:39-40KJV). You once again, as you do with most of scripture take its meaning completely out of context. It was their home they sought for, not their purpose. Their faith constituted their purpose. You speak as if they sought their bodies it was not so.

I will discuss these things in another post soon. But I have only so much time. I will respond to all the charges you wrongly claim against me. And will again and again reveal the arrogance of your beliefs

In the meantime I would suggest you start studying the Word of God and not just reading it. Apparently you lack so in understanding it, in just reading it.

Greetings to you as well.
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And I am banned from answering your devilish lies, though my true words cannot be refuted by or any other devil.

You may gloat some time still but hell is waitig for you,
for I, God's true witness, swear it in God's Holy Name.

Let it be known, for truth can not be defeated for ever.

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How are you banned from answering my questions? Please give more details..Thank you.

As far as hell waiting for me. I cannot disagree with you more. I have been assured long ago that I would never go there. That I and all my siblings one day shall be gathered together around the Lord's throne on that day. This promise was give me by him who my only trust rest in. So I believe you have been misinformed if you believe this lie about me.
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Well PJ I did intend to respond to your accusations against me. But as I returned to your comments about "What S-wordlike wrote" it dawned upon me I pretty well answered most of your questions already.

I don't think I actually realized how superficial you actually were in your understanding scripture and void of discerning simple comprehension until I began reading your responses to my post.

Actually you have no concept of the body/soul/spirit of mankind's make-up and what it consist of.

Apparently from reading your statement you believe God's spirit is the portion that is of man's spirit. And I am assuming your reasoning consist of the soul of man and the spirit are the same dual make-up of the element within the flesh of an individual. In other-words you believe the soul and spirit of man is one of the same.

Wow! No wonder you consist of confusing statements and baffling beliefs in your post. If you haven't even the basic concept toward understanding man in his creators image; and doesn't even hold the same example of that same image as that of his creator, in body/soul (mind)/ and spirit. You would have a tendency to have a misconception of the bigger picture of a myriad of things relating to scripture.

God's Spirit doesn't live in man's body! He may dwell therein if invited. But he is never invited in the lives of nonbelievers. Yet, like all men they all have a spirit of their own, as well as a soul and a body. God's spirit can never constitute man's spirit within himself.

The only difference for the believer is the non-believer's spirit is asleep and will remain so throughout his/her life unless awakened by the grace of our Lord. Whereas, in the life of the believer it is awakened. Not just for the lone purpose to being awake but in the hope of awakening those who remain asleep!

This is the reason Enoch in the Ethiopian version of the Book of (1 Enoch.39:6) in Enoch's visitation to heaven he declares:

(1 Enoch.39:6) And in that place mine eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and faith.


Now, we must pause here for a moment to dispel what most have always been taught and believed. That the Elect One is always talking about Jesus Christ! Well, no, not really!

First of all Jesus could never be considered the Elect One. For as Enoch will reveal later in his book within the passages. The elect were at one time of a sinful nature, and thus also, so would have been the Elect One. Jesus never had a sinful nature, and was neither born into this world with such a nature. For unlike all others, all mankind were blood-born subjects to their Father after sin. For their Father Satan had a claim to everyone through the fall of Adam to the bondage of sin.

Nevertheless, Jesus was not subject to a fleshly bondage but born after the spirit and came forth a free man from his Father of Righteousness.

So Jesus could never be categorized as the Elect One. For of all the endeavors he undertook either in his earthly conquest or the heavenly realm, Jesus as the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God. He was never elected to do anything. He chose to be our savior, not elected to be. He chose to give his life for us, not because he was elected to do so. He did all that he did by his own choosing and decisions. Not as someone elected to some office. Jesus is a King not someone Elected!

Thus, that Elect One, that servant, in (Isa.42:1KJV) is not the Father speaking of his Son Jesus, as men of little understanding has taught other foolish men. But Jesus is speaking about his spiritual son his loyal servant.

How do we know that it is Jesus speaking and declaring his servant and not the Father speaking about Jesus. Because the word declares who it is that is speaking about his Elect One and who it is that is speaking in the following verses

The Word declares it is Jesus speaking about this servant, his Elect One, and the purpose of that Elect One/servant in the end days, throughout chapters (Isa.40-49KJV).

Thus to make it understandable, the Word declares the speaker as the following individual:

The one who is the King of Jacob (Isa41:21KJV).
The Holy one of Israel, thy savior (Isa 43:3KJV).
The Lord your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel (Isa.43:14KJV).
I am the Lord your Holy One of Israel, Your King (Isa. 43:15KJV).
Thus, saith the Lord, thy Redeemer and that formed thee from the womb, I am the lord that makes all things, that stretches forth the heavens alone: that spreads abroad the earth by myself (Isa.44:24KJV).

Now all theses verses and different passages speaks clearly as to this one being called the Redeemer; (Only Jesus has that title (Redeemer), for he alone paid the price. This one speaking claims to be the creator of all things, and stretched out the heavens and spread abroad the earth by himself This is the one who is called the Word who came in the flesh. Even the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Even the Word was in the beginning and he created all things, even/only Jesus (John 1:1-14KJV). The king of Jacob/Israel, only Jesus holds that title. The Word seeks to make it clear the speaker here is not the Father but the Son (Jesus) who is declaring his Elect One.

YET, TO MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER JESUS ALSO DECLARES HIS ELECT ONE, SERVANT, HIDDEN ONE IN (ISA.49:2KJV). AND THAT HE HAS HID HIM IN THE SHADOW OF HIS HAND(work). Making it very clear that of the Godhead only Jesus has the ability to cast a shadow to hid someone. Because of the trinity only Jesus consist of the bodily make-up of flesh and bone after his resurrection; and thus able to cast a shadow. And these passages are speaking of a distant future at the time of its writings and an end time happening.

Now we know according to scripture, the Word cannot contradict itself. Thus, the Word declares that God the Father of lights has no shadow, neither a shadow of turning (James.1:17KJV) For the Father is of Spirit and light and thus is not able to cast shadows, neither that of the Holy Spirit because again he is of spirit and not of flesh.

So according to scripture there is an Elect, hidden, servant hidden for the end days; but it isn't Jesus. And no man can see him or understand his coming or those that be with him until the daytime (light of revelation), (2 Esdras.13:52KJV). And who can see what Jesus has hidden. And who has helped concealed this evidence from those uninformed. Men of tradition and false understandings; claiming to know not what they themselves cannot see within God's Word.

So Enoch in his vision sought to understand and desired the placement the Elect one was seated. And Enoch sought to rest in that place and dwell beneath that lofty place beneath the wings of the Lord of spirits even the (Most High).

Now what Enoch saw was a high place of order; a dwelling therein by on who is called the Elect One, the son of man, the chosen one, the righteous one, the hidden one. And Enoch desired that place. Now Enoch knew this was not the seating place of one of the Godhead's for in so knowing he would never sought such a position. But he knew that it was the highest order of a mortal man. The preeminent one amongst the chosen, called, patriots and the saints of God, who would rule in his age (1 Enoch.39:6).

Enoch was promised a portion of where that man sat. Enoch could not understand how he could be given a portion of that which he so desired. But later Enoch when he ask who was that son of man, he was told it was himself.

Now what Enoch was told is the it was himself setting in that lofty place and he was that man he had beheld. Although Enoch would one day fulfill that position (portion) in part, as was promised to him. Enoch could not understand, he was in part beholding himself but in/of his spirit only. He didn't recognize the body or the soul of that man therein upon that throne. For it was that Enoch to come forth for the end days and show himself that he was beholding and he didn't recognize the facial features, for only that one’s spirit was of Enoch.

S-wordlike.
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What’s the difference between a Jacob and an Israel? An Israel is and always was a firstborn....a Jacob is a second born whose name is changed to Israel and receives the firstborn blessing of the birthright. A Jacob started out as a second born....Israel’s started out as first borns and remain unchanged ......that is what the grafting in of the second born is about....you have to have a firstborn and a separate second born who will both have dominion.....Adam was never a Jacob/second born who had to have a name change to become a firstborn Israel as he already was an Israel. It’s the second borns who need the name change to become Israel’s not the actual firstborns as they already have that title. The problem the firstborns have is they don’t know the second borns get the birthright in order to have dominion over the priesthood on earth.....firstborns are kings ....second borns use the birthright to be the earthly high priest in order to bring salvation to the jues and armeghedon gentiles during the millennium.....but that is for another time at a future date in another realm...lol....til then have a good journey.


Ezekiel 37:22:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.......you can’t have 2 kingdoms/two families/two nations without having 2 representatives ......and with the reunification one representative isn’t going to take the other representatives dominion....because one representative is the king and the other representative is the high priest therefore when the reunification happens both representative will keep their dominion only the reunification will allow them to have dominion over both kingdoms...one king and the other high priest.
leftrightkingpri

Until you realize there are 2 Israel’s ....a firstborn israel and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel then your understanding will be stunted because Jesus is not only king of the firstborn but also of the second born.....which the volume of the book is about the separation and reunification of the firstborn Israel and second born Jacob whose name will be changed to Israel ....to bring forth the unification/marriage of the two kingdoms/families/representatives to make the two to become one.

In a marriage/unification who receives the name change? The feminine as the masculine already has the name. The kingship is the spiritual masculine...the priesthood is the spiritual feminine...The spiritual masculine is the firstborn...the spiritual feminine is the second born. Therefore Jacob the 2nd born is the spiritual feminine as Jacob gets the name change and uses the birthright to have dominion over the spiritual feminine position of the priesthood.

Joseph and Judah


Ask yourself if you were the representative of one of the two kingdoms and the reunification was happening would you say to the other representative take my dominion and I’ll just become one of your subjects? No one would give up a kingdom given to them and give all dominion to another. If they do then they never respected the privilege of having the dominion they were given.

adameveside1

tree123tree123
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PJ
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that you stupidly think that when the person that God has chosen according to His Holy Scripture is so "weak" as to be banned he cannot be God's witness.

Let me tell you this, that God gives you the opportunity to show on what side you are, Satan's or God's, so He lets your rules play for some time to let you prove yourselves just, for afterwards, i.e. when God's true witnesses are public you can in no way dominate them anymore.

Your unrightheous treatment will then be seen by the whole world of those who care about what prophecy tella, the rest can go to hell as they decide.

God's power is coming, so you great country of world mission shall be seen for what you are!

Greetings
God's true witness

And you, S-wordlike (who is just like and not real) shall burn in hell for all eternity if you do not realise that it is indeed God's foretold last time witness who speaks to you!

Whoever I am
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I will know and recognize when the true other last day witness speaks to me. And I can testify in all truth it differently is not you PJ.
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Well PJ I did intend to respond to your accusations against me. But as I returned to your comments about "What S-wordlike wrote" it dawned upon me I pretty well answered most of your questions already.

I don't think I actually realized how superficial you actually were in your understanding scripture and void of discerning simple comprehension until I began reading your responses to my post.

Actually you have no concept of the body/soul/spirit of mankind's make-up and what it consist of.

Apparently from reading your statement you believe God's spirit is the portion that is of man's spirit. And I am assuming your reasoning consist of the soul of man and the spirit are the same dual make-up of the element within the flesh of an individual. In other-words you believe the soul and spirit of man is one of the same.

Wow! No wonder you consist of confusing statements and baffling beliefs in your post. If you haven't even the basic concept toward understanding man in his creators image; and doesn't even hold the same example of that same image as that of his creator, in body/soul (mind)/ and spirit. You would have a tendency to have a misconception of the bigger picture of a myriad of things relating to scripture.

God's Spirit doesn't live in man's body! He may dwell therein if invited. But he is never invited in the lives of nonbelievers. Yet, like all men they all have a spirit of their own, as well as a soul and a body. God's spirit can never constitute man's spirit within himself.

The only difference for the believer is the non-believer's spirit is asleep and will remain so throughout his/her life unless awakened by the grace of our Lord. Whereas, in the life of the believer it is awakened. Not just for the lone purpose to being awake but in the hope of awakening those who remain asleep!

This is the reason Enoch in the Ethiopian version of the Book of (1 Enoch.39:6) in Enoch's visitation to heaven he declares:

(1 Enoch.39:6) And in that place mine eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and faith.


Now, we must pause here for a moment to dispel what most have always been taught and believed. That the Elect One is always talking about Jesus Christ! Well, no, not really!

First of all Jesus could never be considered the Elect One. For as Enoch will reveal later in his book within the passages. The elect were at one time of a sinful nature, and thus also, so would have been the Elect One. Jesus never had a sinful nature, and was neither born into this world with such a nature. For unlike all others, all mankind were blood-born subjects to their Father after sin. For their Father Satan had a claim to everyone through the fall of Adam to the bondage of sin.

Nevertheless, Jesus was not subject to a fleshly bondage but born after the spirit and came forth a free man from his Father of Righteousness.

So Jesus could never be categorized as the Elect One. For of all the endeavors he undertook either in his earthly conquest or the heavenly realm, Jesus as the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God. He was never elected to do anything. He chose to be our savior, not elected to be. He chose to give his life for us, not because he was elected to do so. He did all that he did by his own choosing and decisions. Not as someone elected to some office. Jesus is a King not someone Elected!

Thus, that Elect One, that servant, in (Isa.42:1KJV) is not the Father speaking of his Son Jesus, as men of little understanding has taught other foolish men. But Jesus is speaking about his spiritual son his loyal servant.

How do we know that it is Jesus speaking and declaring his servant and not the Father speaking about Jesus. Because the word declares who it is that is speaking about his Elect One and who it is that is speaking in the following verses

The Word declares it is Jesus speaking about this servant, his Elect One, and the purpose of that Elect One/servant in the end days, throughout chapters (Isa.40-49KJV).

Thus to make it understandable, the Word declares the speaker as the following individual:

The one who is the King of Jacob (Isa41:21KJV).
The Holy one of Israel, thy savior (Isa 43:3KJV).
The Lord your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel (Isa.43:14KJV).
I am the Lord your Holy One of Israel, Your King (Isa. 43:15KJV).
Thus, saith the Lord, thy Redeemer and that formed thee from the womb, I am the lord that makes all things, that stretches forth the heavens alone: that spreads abroad the earth by myself (Isa.44:24KJV).

Now all theses verses and different passages speaks clearly as to this one being called the Redeemer; (Only Jesus has that title (Redeemer), for he alone paid the price. This one speaking claims to be the creator of all things, and stretched out the heavens and spread abroad the earth by himself This is the one who is called the Word who came in the flesh. Even the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Even the Word was in the beginning and he created all things, even/only Jesus (John 1:1-14KJV). The king of Jacob/Israel, only Jesus holds that title. The Word seeks to make it clear the speaker here is not the Father but the Son (Jesus) who is declaring his Elect One.

YET, TO MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER JESUS ALSO DECLARES HIS ELECT ONE, SERVANT, HIDDEN ONE IN (ISA.49:2KJV). AND THAT HE HAS HID HIM IN THE SHADOW OF HIS HAND(work). Making it very clear that of the Godhead only Jesus has the ability to cast a shadow to hid someone. Because of the trinity only Jesus consist of the bodily make-up of flesh and bone after his resurrection; and thus able to cast a shadow. And these passages are speaking of a distant future at the time of its writings and an end time happening.

Now we know according to scripture, the Word cannot contradict itself. Thus, the Word declares that God the Father of lights has no shadow, neither a shadow of turning (James.1:17KJV) For the Father is of Spirit and light and thus is not able to cast shadows, neither that of the Holy Spirit because again he is of spirit and not of flesh.

So according to scripture there is an Elect, hidden, servant hidden for the end days; but it isn't Jesus. And no man can see him or understand his coming or those that be with him until the daytime (light of revelation), (2 Esdras.13:52KJV). And who can see what Jesus has hidden. And who has helped concealed this evidence from those uninformed. Men of tradition and false understandings; claiming to know not what they themselves cannot see within God's Word.

So Enoch in his vision sought to understand and desired the placement the Elect one was seated. And Enoch sought to rest in that place and dwell beneath that lofty place beneath the wings of the Lord of spirits even the (Most High).

Now what Enoch saw was a high place of order; a dwelling therein by on who is called the Elect One, the son of man, the chosen one, the righteous one, the hidden one. And Enoch desired that place. Now Enoch knew this was not the seating place of one of the Godhead's for in so knowing he would never sought such a position. But he knew that it was the highest order of a mortal man. The preeminent one amongst the chosen, called, patriots and the saints of God, who would rule in his age (1 Enoch.39:6).

Enoch was promised a portion of where that man sat. Enoch could not understand how he could be given a portion of that which he so desired. But later Enoch when he ask who was that son of man, he was told it was himself.

Now what Enoch was told is the it was himself setting in that lofty place and he was that man he had beheld. Although Enoch would one day fulfill that position (portion) in part, as was promised to him. Enoch could not understand, he was in part beholding himself but in/of his spirit only. He didn't recognize the body or the soul of that man therein upon that throne. For it was that Enoch to come forth for the end days and show himself that he was beholding and he didn't recognize the facial features, for only that one’s spirit was of Enoch.

S-wordlike.
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What’s the difference between a Jacob and an Israel? An Israel is and always was a firstborn....a Jacob is a second born whose name is changed to Israel and receives the firstborn blessing of the birthright. A Jacob started out as a second born....Israel’s started out as first borns and remain unchanged ......that is what the grafting in of the second born is about....you have to have a firstborn and a separate second born who will both have dominion.....Adam was never a Jacob/second born who had to have a name change to become a firstborn Israel as he already was an Israel. It’s the second borns who need the name change to become Israel’s not the actual firstborns as they already have that title. The problem the firstborns have is they don’t know the second borns get the birthright in order to have dominion over the priesthood on earth.....firstborns are kings ....second borns use the birthright to be the earthly high priest in order to bring salvation to the jues and armeghedon gentiles during the millennium.....but that is for another time at a future date in another realm...lol....til then have a good journey.


Ezekiel 37:22:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.......you can’t have 2 kingdoms/two families/two nations without having 2 representatives ......and with the reunification one representative isn’t going to take the other representatives dominion....because one representative is the king and the other representative is the high priest therefore when the reunification happens both representative will keep their dominion only the reunification will allow them to have dominion over both kingdoms...one king and the other high priest.
leftrightkingpri

Until you realize there are 2 Israel’s ....a firstborn israel and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel then your understanding will be stunted because Jesus is not only king of the firstborn but also of the second born.....which the volume of the book is about the separation and reunification of the firstborn Israel and second born Jacob whose name will be changed to Israel ....to bring forth the unification/marriage of the two kingdoms/families/representatives to make the two to become one.

In a marriage/unification who receives the name change? The feminine as the masculine already has the name. The kingship is the spiritual masculine...the priesthood is the spiritual feminine...The spiritual masculine is the firstborn...the spiritual feminine is the second born. Therefore Jacob the 2nd born is the spiritual feminine as Jacob gets the name change and uses the birthright to have dominion over the spiritual feminine position of the priesthood.

Joseph and Judah


Ask yourself if you were the representative of one of the two kingdoms and the reunification was happening would you say to the other representative take my dominion and I’ll just become one of your subjects? No one would give up a kingdom given to them and give all dominion to another. If they do then they never respected the privilege of having the dominion they were given.

adameveside1

tree123tree123
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PJ
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Waterman has a need to conjure up an individual that has no existence in Scripture. No two individuals are named Jacob and Israel. Only one is so named; Jacob who God named Israel (meaning prince) are both the same man/individual. There are not two men separate in themselves meant to be called Israel and another Jacob.

This is only another fantasy of his own version of some homemade scripture that he seeks to consecrate within his own paradox. Yet, in other examples Jacob and Israel can be construed as two subject matters when applied to nations/tribal positions, and of course misinterpretations of its meaning. But it is never meant to be used as two separate individuals.

As far as Waterman spewing out his version of traditional examples of the past projections of old things and old ways. He fails to heed scripture and the Words declared clearly in Scripture.

(Mark.7:13KJV) Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.

Thus, instead of following what the Word declares now that Christ has exampled a new thing and put to death traditional examples. We have most who still follow tradition and not the ways of Christ. Even to believing that the Temple is the example of God's dwelling place. When in reality they shall form such a monstrosity for the setting of the anti-Christ. For men seek not the true Temple of God and those who dwell therein. For they look for the old things and failed traditions and the old ways!

But such traditional things are now contradictory to the Word and the confirmation of the final actions of our God. And above all the example of our affirmative actions as his example. For through Jesus' actions all traditions are nullified and all ways become a new example of past and old ways.

(2 Cor.5:7KJV) "Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature (creation):Old things are passed away; all things are become new (even traditions)."

Thus, what is our obligation in this scenario. Our obligation is to conform to the ways of his Son not following after old traditions. Men who follow not the examples of Christ, are bound to follow traditions, and are as dead as their inward being. Thus, they follow after sight and hold onto nothing after the example of faith. And they build buildings of false worship to view and examples of silly traditions of non-conforming toward God's own command. For we walk by faith not by sight (2 Cor..5:7KJV).

(Rom.8:9KJV) But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

(Rom.8:29KJV) "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren."


We are called to conform to the Image of his Son; not to follow some silly tradition. Of course traditional observance was appropriate in its time and after its example. And it was required in its time to follow the ways of a dual office fulfilled by two different individual. One a royal position the other a priestly one.

And if one sought to fill the others position the wrath of God would surely descend. Not that the two position was not meant to be fulfilled by a single individual eventually, to eliminate that tradition. But that Individual had to accomplish the greater task of fulfilling both his position as king and priest through a sacrificial death.

Afterwards, then that dual position was meant to be one office, both in heaven and on earth as our example of our conforming to his Son; as God desires (Rom.8:29KJV).

Now some, like Waterman, say this is meant at some future date even long after the millennial reign, when we all will be in heaven. No for the Word must never contradict itself.

Now we are told that we as believers in (1 Pet.2:9KJV):

(1Pet.2:9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.


If Peter were addressing only those who one day end up in heaven; and not believers here and now on earth. Why would he say we are a peculiar people? In heaven we wouldn't be peculiar but would blend in with all the other Saints. No he is speaking to the believers of his day and the future generation /followers in Christ on earth.

So during those and these days the royal office and the priesthood seems to blend into one (a royal Priest-hood). No not sometime somewhere in heaven, but on earth!

This is why the prince of/in Israel shall be of a royal nature, (a prince) (Ezek.44:3KJV). And also the same man of a priestly figure in (Ezek.46:2KJV). This individual called a prince throughout these chapters (Ezek.44-47KJV) are speaking of the same individual as certified by all Scholars, Theologians, and Rabbis that look at his name in scripture as (NASI). Thus, meaning a governor/ruler/king president/leader, it is but one individual fulfilling both offices during the millennial age, and not two individuals in two different offices!

Thus, PJ if you are concurring with waterman's version as it seems you are. You might be as confused as him in comprehending the deeper things of Scriptural meanings and the more lucid purpose of its sole endeavors.
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I don’t know which is the greater conundrum to be able to see the other anointed and he can’t see you or to be the other anointed who can’t find the other anointed. Quite a quandary indeed.

The broken brotherhood a dual purpose it certainly serves.

Who can see who and who can see what will tell a lot ....lol

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What’s the difference between a Jacob and an Israel? An Israel is and always was a firstborn....a Jacob is a second born whose name is changed to Israel and receives the firstborn blessing of the birthright. A Jacob started out as a second born....Israel’s started out as first borns and remain unchanged ......that is what the grafting in of the second born is about....you have to have a firstborn and a separate second born who will both have dominion.....Adam was never a Jacob/second born who had to have a name change to become a firstborn Israel as he already was an Israel. It’s the second borns who need the name change to become Israel’s not the actual firstborns as they already have that title. The problem the firstborns have is they don’t know the second borns get the birthright in order to have dominion over the priesthood on earth.....firstborns are kings ....second borns use the birthright to be the earthly high priest in order to bring salvation to the jues and armeghedon gentiles during the millennium.....but that is for another time at a future date in another realm...lol....til then have a good journey.


Ezekiel 37:22:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.......you can’t have 2 kingdoms/two families/two nations without having 2 representatives ......and with the reunification one representative isn’t going to take the other representatives dominion....because one representative is the king and the other representative is the high priest therefore when the reunification happens both representative will keep their dominion only the reunification will allow them to have dominion over both kingdoms...one king and the other high priest.
leftrightkingpri

Until you realize there are 2 Israel’s ....a firstborn israel and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel then your understanding will be stunted because Jesus is not only king of the firstborn but also of the second born.....which the volume of the book is about the separation and reunification of the firstborn Israel and second born Jacob whose name will be changed to Israel ....to bring forth the unification/marriage of the two kingdoms/families/representatives to make the two to become one.

In a marriage/unification who receives the name change? The feminine as the masculine already has the name. The kingship is the spiritual masculine...the priesthood is the spiritual feminine...The spiritual masculine is the firstborn...the spiritual feminine is the second born. Therefore Jacob the 2nd born is the spiritual feminine as Jacob gets the name change and uses the birthright to have dominion over the spiritual feminine position of the priesthood.

Joseph and Judah


Ask yourself if you were the representative of one of the two kingdoms and the reunification was happening would you say to the other representative take my dominion and I’ll just become one of your subjects? No one would give up a kingdom given to them and give all dominion to another. If they do then they never respected the privilege of having the dominion they were given.

adameveside1

tree123tree123
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PJ
 Quoting: Lies from you 79807111


Waterman has a need to conjure up an individual that has no existence in Scripture. No two individuals are named Jacob and Israel. Only one is so named; Jacob who God named Israel (meaning prince) are both the same man/individual. There are not two men separate in themselves meant to be called Israel and another Jacob.

This is only another fantasy of his own version of some homemade scripture that he seeks to consecrate within his own paradox. Yet, in other examples Jacob and Israel can be construed as two subject matters when applied to nations/tribal positions, and of course misinterpretations of its meaning. But it is never meant to be used as two separate individuals.

As far as Waterman spewing out his version of traditional examples of the past projections of old things and old ways. He fails to heed scripture and the Words declared clearly in Scripture.

(Mark.7:13KJV) Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.

Thus, instead of following what the Word declares now that Christ has exampled a new thing and put to death traditional examples. We have most who still follow tradition and not the ways of Christ. Even to believing that the Temple is the example of God's dwelling place. When in reality they shall form such a monstrosity for the setting of the anti-Christ. For men seek not the true Temple of God and those who dwell therein. For they look for the old things and failed traditions and the old ways!

But such traditional things are now contradictory to the Word and the confirmation of the final actions of our God. And above all the example of our affirmative actions as his example. For through Jesus' actions all traditions are nullified and all ways become a new example of past and old ways.

(2 Cor.5:7KJV) "Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature (creation):Old things are passed away; all things are become new (even traditions)."

Thus, what is our obligation in this scenario. Our obligation is to conform to the ways of his Son not following after old traditions. Men who follow not the examples of Christ, are bound to follow traditions, and are as dead as their inward being. Thus, they follow after sight and hold onto nothing after the example of faith. And they build buildings of false worship to view and examples of silly traditions of non-conforming toward God's own command. For we walk by faith not by sight (2 Cor..5:7KJV).

(Rom.8:9KJV) But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

(Rom.8:29KJV) "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren."


We are called to conform to the Image of his Son; not to follow some silly tradition. Of course traditional observance was appropriate in its time and after its example. And it was required in its time to follow the ways of a dual office fulfilled by two different individual. One a royal position the other a priestly one.

And if one sought to fill the others position the wrath of God would surely descend. Not that the two position was not meant to be fulfilled by a single individual eventually, to eliminate that tradition. But that Individual had to accomplish the greater task of fulfilling both his position as king and priest through a sacrificial death.

Afterwards, then that dual position was meant to be one office, both in heaven and on earth as our example of our conforming to his Son; as God desires (Rom.8:29KJV).

Now some, like Waterman, say this is meant at some future date even long after the millennial reign, when we all will be in heaven. No for the Word must never contradict itself.

Now we are told that we as believers in (1 Pet.2:9KJV):

(1Pet.2:9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.


If Peter were addressing only those who one day end up in heaven; and not believers here and now on earth. Why would he say we are a peculiar people? In heaven we wouldn't be peculiar but would blend in with all the other Saints. No he is speaking to the believers of his day and the future generation /followers in Christ on earth.

So during those and these days the royal office and the priesthood seems to blend into one (a royal Priest-hood). No not sometime somewhere in heaven, but on earth!

This is why the prince of/in Israel shall be of a royal nature, (a prince) (Ezek.44:3KJV). And also the same man of a priestly figure in (Ezek.46:2KJV). This individual called a prince throughout these chapters (Ezek.44-47KJV) are speaking of the same individual as certified by all Scholars, Theologians, and Rabbis that look at his name in scripture as (NASI). Thus, meaning a governor/ruler/king president/leader, it is but one individual fulfilling both offices during the millennial age, and not two individuals in two different offices!

Thus, PJ if you are concurring with waterman's version as it seems you are. You might be as confused as him in comprehending the deeper things of Scriptural meanings and the more lucid purpose of its sole endeavors.
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I don’t know which is the greater conundrum to be able to see the other anointed and he can’t see you or to be the other anointed who can’t find the other anointed. Quite a quandary indeed.

The broken brotherhood a dual purpose it certainly serves.

Who can see who and who can see what will tell a lot ....lol

Joseph and Judah
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Don't put all your eggs in one basket. If that is all the confirmation you have..you lack.

Blindness is in the eyes of the beholder my friend. And thus giving directions to others leads all in the same ditch. We both know for sure one is a witness; but never convinced by both that the other is. Wishing for something doesn't make it so.

Let's not discuss this on this thread it serves no purpose toward either of our purposes. Be content we believe what we do and leave it at that.
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Waterman has a need to conjure up an individual that has no existence in Scripture. No two individuals are named Jacob and Israel. Only one is so named; Jacob who God named Israel (meaning prince) are both the same man/individual. There are not two men separate in themselves meant to be called Israel and another Jacob.

This is only another fantasy of his own version of some homemade scripture that he seeks to consecrate within his own paradox. Yet, in other examples Jacob and Israel can be construed as two subject matters when applied to nations/tribal positions, and of course misinterpretations of its meaning. But it is never meant to be used as two separate individuals.

As far as Waterman spewing out his version of traditional examples of the past projections of old things and old ways. He fails to heed scripture and the Words declared clearly in Scripture.

(Mark.7:13KJV) Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.

Thus, instead of following what the Word declares now that Christ has exampled a new thing and put to death traditional examples. We have most who still follow tradition and not the ways of Christ. Even to believing that the Temple is the example of God's dwelling place. When in reality they shall form such a monstrosity for the setting of the anti-Christ. For men seek not the true Temple of God and those who dwell therein. For they look for the old things and failed traditions and the old ways!

But such traditional things are now contradictory to the Word and the confirmation of the final actions of our God. And above all the example of our affirmative actions as his example. For through Jesus' actions all traditions are nullified and all ways become a new example of past and old ways.

(2 Cor.5:7KJV) "Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature (creation):Old things are passed away; all things are become new (even traditions)."

Thus, what is our obligation in this scenario. Our obligation is to conform to the ways of his Son not following after old traditions. Men who follow not the examples of Christ, are bound to follow traditions, and are as dead as their inward being. Thus, they follow after sight and hold onto nothing after the example of faith. And they build buildings of false worship to view and examples of silly traditions of non-conforming toward God's own command. For we walk by faith not by sight (2 Cor..5:7KJV).

(Rom.8:9KJV) But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

(Rom.8:29KJV) "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren."


We are called to conform to the Image of his Son; not to follow some silly tradition. Of course traditional observance was appropriate in its time and after its example. And it was required in its time to follow the ways of a dual office fulfilled by two different individual. One a royal position the other a priestly one.

And if one sought to fill the others position the wrath of God would surely descend. Not that the two position was not meant to be fulfilled by a single individual eventually, to eliminate that tradition. But that Individual had to accomplish the greater task of fulfilling both his position as king and priest through a sacrificial death.

Afterwards, then that dual position was meant to be one office, both in heaven and on earth as our example of our conforming to his Son; as God desires (Rom.8:29KJV).

Now some, like Waterman, say this is meant at some future date even long after the millennial reign, when we all will be in heaven. No for the Word must never contradict itself.

Now we are told that we as believers in (1 Pet.2:9KJV):

(1Pet.2:9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.


If Peter were addressing only those who one day end up in heaven; and not believers here and now on earth. Why would he say we are a peculiar people? In heaven we wouldn't be peculiar but would blend in with all the other Saints. No he is speaking to the believers of his day and the future generation /followers in Christ on earth.

So during those and these days the royal office and the priesthood seems to blend into one (a royal Priest-hood). No not sometime somewhere in heaven, but on earth!

This is why the prince of/in Israel shall be of a royal nature, (a prince) (Ezek.44:3KJV). And also the same man of a priestly figure in (Ezek.46:2KJV). This individual called a prince throughout these chapters (Ezek.44-47KJV) are speaking of the same individual as certified by all Scholars, Theologians, and Rabbis that look at his name in scripture as (NASI). Thus, meaning a governor/ruler/king president/leader, it is but one individual fulfilling both offices during the millennial age, and not two individuals in two different offices!

Thus, PJ if you are concurring with waterman's version as it seems you are. You might be as confused as him in comprehending the deeper things of Scriptural meanings and the more lucid purpose of its sole endeavors.
 Quoting: S-wordlike



I don’t know which is the greater conundrum to be able to see the other anointed and he can’t see you or to be the other anointed who can’t find the other anointed. Quite a quandary indeed.

The broken brotherhood a dual purpose it certainly serves.

Who can see who and who can see what will tell a lot ....lol

Joseph and Judah
 Quoting: waterman


Don't put all your eggs in one basket. If that is all the confirmation you have..you lack.

Blindness is in the eyes of the beholder my friend. And thus giving directions to others leads all in the same ditch. We both know for sure one is a witness; but never convinced by both that the other is. Wishing for something doesn't make it so.

Let's not discuss this on this thread it serves no purpose toward either of our purposes. Be content we believe what we do and leave it at that.
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Certainly one is a witness and that witness will be David the earthly king in a davidic/levitic kingdom as scriptures state. It would have been a great place to tell us he will also be the earthly high priest but no such mention...if it did then it wouldn’t be a levitic kingdom it would be a melchelzedek kingdom.


Hosea 3:5:


King James Bible
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.





David is the son of David so you just run up the line to see which of the 12 sons blessings this David will receive and as we know it is the blessings of Judah which is the sceptre. There is no mention of the priesthood coming from Judah as hebs. tells us

As we know the 12 sons of Israel were 12 princes therefore Judah is a prince and Joseph is a prince.....makes it easier to know which prince is being spoken of if you know David/Judah does the kingly dominion and Joseph does the high priest duties

Numbers 1:44:

Numbers 1:44
King James Version
44 These are those that were numbered, which Moses and Aaron numbered, and the princes of Israel, being twelve men: each one was for the house of his fathers





There is only one of two lines the high priest can come from. Levi but as we know from Ezekiel 45 & 46 the prince who is high priest owns land and Levites can’t own land so the only other line the high priest can come from is the birthright line which is the line of Joseph...therefore one anointed is Judah and the other is Joseph....hence 1 chronicles 5:2 Judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s.

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Waterman has a need to conjure up an individual that has no existence in Scripture. No two individuals are named Jacob and Israel. Only one is so named; Jacob who God named Israel (meaning prince) are both the same man/individual. There are not two men separate in themselves meant to be called Israel and another Jacob.

This is only another fantasy of his own version of some homemade scripture that he seeks to consecrate within his own paradox. Yet, in other examples Jacob and Israel can be construed as two subject matters when applied to nations/tribal positions, and of course misinterpretations of its meaning. But it is never meant to be used as two separate individuals.

As far as Waterman spewing out his version of traditional examples of the past projections of old things and old ways. He fails to heed scripture and the Words declared clearly in Scripture.

(Mark.7:13KJV) Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.

Thus, instead of following what the Word declares now that Christ has exampled a new thing and put to death traditional examples. We have most who still follow tradition and not the ways of Christ. Even to believing that the Temple is the example of God's dwelling place. When in reality they shall form such a monstrosity for the setting of the anti-Christ. For men seek not the true Temple of God and those who dwell therein. For they look for the old things and failed traditions and the old ways!

But such traditional things are now contradictory to the Word and the confirmation of the final actions of our God. And above all the example of our affirmative actions as his example. For through Jesus' actions all traditions are nullified and all ways become a new example of past and old ways.

(2 Cor.5:7KJV) "Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature (creation):Old things are passed away; all things are become new (even traditions)."

Thus, what is our obligation in this scenario. Our obligation is to conform to the ways of his Son not following after old traditions. Men who follow not the examples of Christ, are bound to follow traditions, and are as dead as their inward being. Thus, they follow after sight and hold onto nothing after the example of faith. And they build buildings of false worship to view and examples of silly traditions of non-conforming toward God's own command. For we walk by faith not by sight (2 Cor..5:7KJV).

(Rom.8:9KJV) But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

(Rom.8:29KJV) "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren."


We are called to conform to the Image of his Son; not to follow some silly tradition. Of course traditional observance was appropriate in its time and after its example. And it was required in its time to follow the ways of a dual office fulfilled by two different individual. One a royal position the other a priestly one.

And if one sought to fill the others position the wrath of God would surely descend. Not that the two position was not meant to be fulfilled by a single individual eventually, to eliminate that tradition. But that Individual had to accomplish the greater task of fulfilling both his position as king and priest through a sacrificial death.

Afterwards, then that dual position was meant to be one office, both in heaven and on earth as our example of our conforming to his Son; as God desires (Rom.8:29KJV).

Now some, like Waterman, say this is meant at some future date even long after the millennial reign, when we all will be in heaven. No for the Word must never contradict itself.

Now we are told that we as believers in (1 Pet.2:9KJV):

(1Pet.2:9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.


If Peter were addressing only those who one day end up in heaven; and not believers here and now on earth. Why would he say we are a peculiar people? In heaven we wouldn't be peculiar but would blend in with all the other Saints. No he is speaking to the believers of his day and the future generation /followers in Christ on earth.

So during those and these days the royal office and the priesthood seems to blend into one (a royal Priest-hood). No not sometime somewhere in heaven, but on earth!

This is why the prince of/in Israel shall be of a royal nature, (a prince) (Ezek.44:3KJV). And also the same man of a priestly figure in (Ezek.46:2KJV). This individual called a prince throughout these chapters (Ezek.44-47KJV) are speaking of the same individual as certified by all Scholars, Theologians, and Rabbis that look at his name in scripture as (NASI). Thus, meaning a governor/ruler/king president/leader, it is but one individual fulfilling both offices during the millennial age, and not two individuals in two different offices!

Thus, PJ if you are concurring with waterman's version as it seems you are. You might be as confused as him in comprehending the deeper things of Scriptural meanings and the more lucid purpose of its sole endeavors.
 Quoting: S-wordlike



I don’t know which is the greater conundrum to be able to see the other anointed and he can’t see you or to be the other anointed who can’t find the other anointed. Quite a quandary indeed.

The broken brotherhood a dual purpose it certainly serves.

Who can see who and who can see what will tell a lot ....lol

Joseph and Judah
 Quoting: waterman


Don't put all your eggs in one basket. If that is all the confirmation you have..you lack.

Blindness is in the eyes of the beholder my friend. And thus giving directions to others leads all in the same ditch. We both know for sure one is a witness; but never convinced by both that the other is. Wishing for something doesn't make it so.

Let's not discuss this on this thread it serves no purpose toward either of our purposes. Be content we believe what we do and leave it at that.
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Certainly one is a witness and that witness will be David the earthly king in a davidic/levitic kingdom as scriptures state. It would have been a great place to tell us he will also be the earthly high priest but no such mention...if it did then it wouldn’t be a levitic kingdom it would be a melchelzedek kingdom.


Hosea 3:5:


King James Bible
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.





David is the son of David so you just run up the line to see which of the 12 sons blessings this David will receive and as we know it is the blessings of Judah which is the sceptre. There is no mention of the priesthood coming from Judah as hebs. tells us

As we know the 12 sons of Israel were 12 princes therefore Judah is a prince and Joseph is a prince.....makes it easier to know which prince is being spoken of if you know David/Judah does the kingly dominion and Joseph does the high priest duties

Numbers 1:44:

Numbers 1:44
King James Version
44 These are those that were numbered, which Moses and Aaron numbered, and the princes of Israel, being twelve men: each one was for the house of his fathers





There is only one of two lines the high priest can come from. Levi but as we know from Ezekiel 46 the prince who is high priest owns land and Levi’s can’t own so the only other line the high priest can come from is the birthright line which is the line of Joseph...therefore one anointed is Judah and the other is Joseph....hence 1 chronicles 5:2 Judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s.
 Quoting: waterman


Be careful, your birthright comes forth from me. If therefore that be the case how can there be a difference in our lineage. Even Christ descended from David's ancestry, but holds the priesthood as well. Thus did that also make him a Levi as well, to become High Priest?

We discussed all this again and again remember. You have a tendency to confuse individuals with tribes and nations when it refers to the different meanings of certain prophetic understandings. Christ changed much of these traditional ceremonies at his resurrection. Including ceremonial customs, dietary practices of certain meats and traditional customary practices that are no longer necessary. Such as the practice of stoning for certain offenses or two men holding dual offices of King and High Priest.

Now you will come up with same new excuse that is not scriptural. And declare some reason; like its not for this time but the future..because I said so...lol. But that's not pertinent to us who follow scripture and not some made up reason or line.

Believe as you will. At this point of my life it's not a big concern of mine how you believe. Just don't seek to convince me you are one of the witnesses. For you have no confirmations or testimonies from any other that God has shown this to be a truth. If you cannot verify this with one or two witnesses then it is nothing more than the wishful thinking of a confused individual.

You may claim God didn't give Joseph two or three witnesses to testify of him. Yet even those around him recognized God was with him and favored him. Not so with you my friend, most including your family believes you're nuts, and not favored, as you can well attest...lol.

Besides the law did not require two or more witnesses in Joseph's day. That law didn't come forth until (Deut.19:15KJV) hundreds of yrs. after Joseph had died...so it wasn't germane at the time of Joseph. But it is necessary today according to Scripture to verify a truth (2 Cor.13:1kjv).

Thousands believe they are one of these two witnesses but it must only lead to disappointment. Only those two who are the true two witnesses would only be happy to find out they were not. For those two do not look forward to such a position of responsibility toward mankind. Neither the trial they must endure to gain what God has ordained, but that they never sought.
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I don’t know which is the greater conundrum to be able to see the other anointed and he can’t see you or to be the other anointed who can’t find the other anointed. Quite a quandary indeed.

The broken brotherhood a dual purpose it certainly serves.

Who can see who and who can see what will tell a lot ....lol

Joseph and Judah
 Quoting: waterman


Don't put all your eggs in one basket. If that is all the confirmation you have..you lack.

Blindness is in the eyes of the beholder my friend. And thus giving directions to others leads all in the same ditch. We both know for sure one is a witness; but never convinced by both that the other is. Wishing for something doesn't make it so.

Let's not discuss this on this thread it serves no purpose toward either of our purposes. Be content we believe what we do and leave it at that.
 Quoting: S-wordlike



Certainly one is a witness and that witness will be David the earthly king in a davidic/levitic kingdom as scriptures state. It would have been a great place to tell us he will also be the earthly high priest but no such mention...if it did then it wouldn’t be a levitic kingdom it would be a melchelzedek kingdom.


Hosea 3:5:


King James Bible
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.





David is the son of David so you just run up the line to see which of the 12 sons blessings this David will receive and as we know it is the blessings of Judah which is the sceptre. There is no mention of the priesthood coming from Judah as hebs. tells us

As we know the 12 sons of Israel were 12 princes therefore Judah is a prince and Joseph is a prince.....makes it easier to know which prince is being spoken of if you know David/Judah does the kingly dominion and Joseph does the high priest duties

Numbers 1:44:

Numbers 1:44
King James Version
44 These are those that were numbered, which Moses and Aaron numbered, and the princes of Israel, being twelve men: each one was for the house of his fathers





There is only one of two lines the high priest can come from. Levi but as we know from Ezekiel 46 the prince who is high priest owns land and Levi’s can’t own so the only other line the high priest can come from is the birthright line which is the line of Joseph...therefore one anointed is Judah and the other is Joseph....hence 1 chronicles 5:2 Judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s.
 Quoting: waterman


Be careful, your birthright comes forth from me. If therefore that be the case how can there be a difference in our lineage. Even Christ descended from David's ancestry, but holds the priesthood as well. Thus did that also make him a Levi as well, to become High Priest?

We discussed all this again and again remember. You have a tendency to confuse individuals with tribes and nations when it refers to the different meanings of certain prophetic understandings. Christ changed much of these traditional ceremonies at his resurrection. Including ceremonial customs, dietary practices of certain meats and traditional customary practices that are no longer necessary. Such as the practice of stoning for certain offenses or two men holding dual offices of King and High Priest.

Now you will come up with same new excuse that is not scriptural. And declare some reason; like its not for this time but the future..because I said so...lol. But that's not pertinent to us who follow scripture and not some made up reason or line.

Believe as you will. At this point of my life it's not a big concern of mine how you believe. Just don't seek to convince me you are one of the witnesses. For you have no confirmations or testimonies from any other that God has shown this to be a truth. If you cannot verify this with one or two witnesses then it is nothing more than the wishful thinking of a confused individual.

You may claim God didn't give Joseph two or three witnesses to testify of him. Yet even those around him recognized God was with him and favored him. Not so with you my friend, most including your family believes you're nuts, and not favored, as you can well attest...lol.

Besides the law did not require two or more witnesses in Joseph's day. That law didn't come forth until (Deut.19:15KJV) hundreds of yrs. after Joseph had died...so it wasn't germane at the time of Joseph. But it is necessary today according to Scripture to verify a truth (2 Cor.13:1kjv).

Thousands believe they are one of these two witnesses but it must only lead to disappointment. Only those two who are the true two witnesses would only be happy to find out they were not. For those two do not look forward to such a position of responsibility toward mankind. Neither the trial they must endure to gain what God has ordained, but that they never sought.
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Only those two who are the true two witnesses would only be happy to find out they were not. For those two do not look forward to such a position of responsibility toward mankind. Neither the trial they must endure to gain what God has ordained, but that they never sought

Hmmm you not only speak for yourself but for the other witness also now....hmmm interesting

Jesus’ priesthood wasn’t levitic....the levitic priesthood is an earthly priesthood. Jesus’ priesthood is melchelzedek . Even Jesus couldn’t be from 2 tribes. Jesus was only from the line of Judah through his mothers line so he could give David the sceptre in the end times. Jesus wants nothing to do with the levitic priesthood as that is separation of kingship and priesthood. Jesus has the higher melchelzedek priesthood in heaven where he can combine the two offices because the heavenly is always higher than the earthly

As far as my birthright it doesn’t come from you it comes from God you don’t yet realize you are the firstborn Adam and I am the second born. We were created on the 6th day and returned to earth in the 6000th year. You came forth and had a father which will give you the davidic bloodline to be from Judah.

Being I’m the 2nd born I came forth from you and am the other half of the Adam therefore like Jesus not having an earthly father he used his mothers fathers line for tribal lineage. When I was born you were away for a year and was raised in my mothers fathers house. My mothers father came from England which is the ephraim/joseph line therefore this is how I am from the line of Joseph.....but this probably will not register for you until our throne room visit...lol

John 8:

17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.


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Don't put all your eggs in one basket. If that is all the confirmation you have..you lack.

Blindness is in the eyes of the beholder my friend. And thus giving directions to others leads all in the same ditch. We both know for sure one is a witness; but never convinced by both that the other is. Wishing for something doesn't make it so.

Let's not discuss this on this thread it serves no purpose toward either of our purposes. Be content we believe what we do and leave it at that.
 Quoting: S-wordlike



Certainly one is a witness and that witness will be David the earthly king in a davidic/levitic kingdom as scriptures state. It would have been a great place to tell us he will also be the earthly high priest but no such mention...if it did then it wouldn’t be a levitic kingdom it would be a melchelzedek kingdom.


Hosea 3:5:


King James Bible
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.





David is the son of David so you just run up the line to see which of the 12 sons blessings this David will receive and as we know it is the blessings of Judah which is the sceptre. There is no mention of the priesthood coming from Judah as hebs. tells us

As we know the 12 sons of Israel were 12 princes therefore Judah is a prince and Joseph is a prince.....makes it easier to know which prince is being spoken of if you know David/Judah does the kingly dominion and Joseph does the high priest duties

Numbers 1:44:

Numbers 1:44
King James Version
44 These are those that were numbered, which Moses and Aaron numbered, and the princes of Israel, being twelve men: each one was for the house of his fathers





There is only one of two lines the high priest can come from. Levi but as we know from Ezekiel 46 the prince who is high priest owns land and Levi’s can’t own so the only other line the high priest can come from is the birthright line which is the line of Joseph...therefore one anointed is Judah and the other is Joseph....hence 1 chronicles 5:2 Judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s.
 Quoting: waterman


Be careful, your birthright comes forth from me. If therefore that be the case how can there be a difference in our lineage. Even Christ descended from David's ancestry, but holds the priesthood as well. Thus did that also make him a Levi as well, to become High Priest?

We discussed all this again and again remember. You have a tendency to confuse individuals with tribes and nations when it refers to the different meanings of certain prophetic understandings. Christ changed much of these traditional ceremonies at his resurrection. Including ceremonial customs, dietary practices of certain meats and traditional customary practices that are no longer necessary. Such as the practice of stoning for certain offenses or two men holding dual offices of King and High Priest.

Now you will come up with same new excuse that is not scriptural. And declare some reason; like its not for this time but the future..because I said so...lol. But that's not pertinent to us who follow scripture and not some made up reason or line.

Believe as you will. At this point of my life it's not a big concern of mine how you believe. Just don't seek to convince me you are one of the witnesses. For you have no confirmations or testimonies from any other that God has shown this to be a truth. If you cannot verify this with one or two witnesses then it is nothing more than the wishful thinking of a confused individual.

You may claim God didn't give Joseph two or three witnesses to testify of him. Yet even those around him recognized God was with him and favored him. Not so with you my friend, most including your family believes you're nuts, and not favored, as you can well attest...lol.

Besides the law did not require two or more witnesses in Joseph's day. That law didn't come forth until (Deut.19:15KJV) hundreds of yrs. after Joseph had died...so it wasn't germane at the time of Joseph. But it is necessary today according to Scripture to verify a truth (2 Cor.13:1kjv).

Thousands believe they are one of these two witnesses but it must only lead to disappointment. Only those two who are the true two witnesses would only be happy to find out they were not. For those two do not look forward to such a position of responsibility toward mankind. Neither the trial they must endure to gain what God has ordained, but that they never sought.
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Only those two who are the true two witnesses would only be happy to find out they were not. For those two do not look forward to such a position of responsibility toward mankind. Neither the trial they must endure to gain what God has ordained, but that they never sought

Hmmm you not only speak for yourself but for the other witness also now....hmmm interesting

Jesus’ priesthood wasn’t levitic....the levitic priesthood is an earthly priesthood. Jesus’ priesthood is melchelzedek . Even Jesus couldn’t be from 2 tribes. Jesus was only from the line of Judah through his mothers line so he could give David the sceptre in the end times. Jesus wants nothing to do with the levitic priesthood as that is separation of kingship and priesthood. Jesus has the higher melchelzedek priesthood in heaven where he can combine the two offices because the heavenly is always higher than the earthly

As far as my birthright it doesn’t come from you it comes from God you don’t yet realize you are the firstborn Adam and I am the second born. We were created on the 6th day and returned to earth in the 6000th year. You came forth and had a father which will give you the davidic bloodline to be from Judah.

Being I’m the 2nd born I came forth from you and am the other half of the Adam therefore like Jesus not having an earthly father he used his mothers fathers line for tribal lineage. When I was born you were away for a year and was raised in my mothers fathers house. My mothers father came from England which is the ephraim/joseph line therefore this is how I am from the line of Joseph.....but this probably will not register for you until our throne room visit...lol

John 8:

17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

 Quoting: waterman


Jesus also had other witnesses to bear of the truth that he was who he said he was. To fulfill the scripture of two or three witnesses as required by law. This is the reason he ask his disciples whom do men say that I am.

Some concur he was a prophet come back from the dead. Others sent from God. Peter was bold enough to declare he was the Christ the Son of the living God. So don't let on like Jesus also didn't have confirmation through the testimony of others that he was from God. How you like to twist the Word for your own convenience.

Until you realize Judah symbolically represents Jesus (as the lion of Judah) and not one of the two witnesses in (Gen.49.8-10KJV); you will continue to remain confused about every other thing.

I will not argue the different points with you. We have been through this for years and your thoughts on the subjects remain adamant b/c you believe you are never wrong.

No I don't speak for the two witnesses. I only know this; they would not be boasting that they are the greatest thing/person/ever born. And speaking grandiose things about what they shall soon do in the world. And boast of themselves to others as being one of those witnesses.

Cry instead my friend for the multitudes who are not the so called chosen who now scream for mercy in hell and find no release. Instead of boasting of your soon accomplishments and waiting performances to the masses to impress.
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Re: Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.3 and the Branch
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Certainly one is a witness and that witness will be David the earthly king in a davidic/levitic kingdom as scriptures state. It would have been a great place to tell us he will also be the earthly high priest but no such mention...if it did then it wouldn’t be a levitic kingdom it would be a melchelzedek kingdom.


Hosea 3:5:


King James Bible
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.





David is the son of David so you just run up the line to see which of the 12 sons blessings this David will receive and as we know it is the blessings of Judah which is the sceptre. There is no mention of the priesthood coming from Judah as hebs. tells us

As we know the 12 sons of Israel were 12 princes therefore Judah is a prince and Joseph is a prince.....makes it easier to know which prince is being spoken of if you know David/Judah does the kingly dominion and Joseph does the high priest duties

Numbers 1:44:

Numbers 1:44
King James Version
44 These are those that were numbered, which Moses and Aaron numbered, and the princes of Israel, being twelve men: each one was for the house of his fathers





There is only one of two lines the high priest can come from. Levi but as we know from Ezekiel 46 the prince who is high priest owns land and Levi’s can’t own so the only other line the high priest can come from is the birthright line which is the line of Joseph...therefore one anointed is Judah and the other is Joseph....hence 1 chronicles 5:2 Judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s.
 Quoting: waterman


Be careful, your birthright comes forth from me. If therefore that be the case how can there be a difference in our lineage. Even Christ descended from David's ancestry, but holds the priesthood as well. Thus did that also make him a Levi as well, to become High Priest?

We discussed all this again and again remember. You have a tendency to confuse individuals with tribes and nations when it refers to the different meanings of certain prophetic understandings. Christ changed much of these traditional ceremonies at his resurrection. Including ceremonial customs, dietary practices of certain meats and traditional customary practices that are no longer necessary. Such as the practice of stoning for certain offenses or two men holding dual offices of King and High Priest.

Now you will come up with same new excuse that is not scriptural. And declare some reason; like its not for this time but the future..because I said so...lol. But that's not pertinent to us who follow scripture and not some made up reason or line.

Believe as you will. At this point of my life it's not a big concern of mine how you believe. Just don't seek to convince me you are one of the witnesses. For you have no confirmations or testimonies from any other that God has shown this to be a truth. If you cannot verify this with one or two witnesses then it is nothing more than the wishful thinking of a confused individual.

You may claim God didn't give Joseph two or three witnesses to testify of him. Yet even those around him recognized God was with him and favored him. Not so with you my friend, most including your family believes you're nuts, and not favored, as you can well attest...lol.

Besides the law did not require two or more witnesses in Joseph's day. That law didn't come forth until (Deut.19:15KJV) hundreds of yrs. after Joseph had died...so it wasn't germane at the time of Joseph. But it is necessary today according to Scripture to verify a truth (2 Cor.13:1kjv).

Thousands believe they are one of these two witnesses but it must only lead to disappointment. Only those two who are the true two witnesses would only be happy to find out they were not. For those two do not look forward to such a position of responsibility toward mankind. Neither the trial they must endure to gain what God has ordained, but that they never sought.
 Quoting: S-wordlike


Only those two who are the true two witnesses would only be happy to find out they were not. For those two do not look forward to such a position of responsibility toward mankind. Neither the trial they must endure to gain what God has ordained, but that they never sought

Hmmm you not only speak for yourself but for the other witness also now....hmmm interesting

Jesus’ priesthood wasn’t levitic....the levitic priesthood is an earthly priesthood. Jesus’ priesthood is melchelzedek . Even Jesus couldn’t be from 2 tribes. Jesus was only from the line of Judah through his mothers line so he could give David the sceptre in the end times. Jesus wants nothing to do with the levitic priesthood as that is separation of kingship and priesthood. Jesus has the higher melchelzedek priesthood in heaven where he can combine the two offices because the heavenly is always higher than the earthly

As far as my birthright it doesn’t come from you it comes from God you don’t yet realize you are the firstborn Adam and I am the second born. We were created on the 6th day and returned to earth in the 6000th year. You came forth and had a father which will give you the davidic bloodline to be from Judah.

Being I’m the 2nd born I came forth from you and am the other half of the Adam therefore like Jesus not having an earthly father he used his mothers fathers line for tribal lineage. When I was born you were away for a year and was raised in my mothers fathers house. My mothers father came from England which is the ephraim/joseph line therefore this is how I am from the line of Joseph.....but this probably will not register for you until our throne room visit...lol

John 8:

17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

 Quoting: waterman


Jesus also had other witnesses to bear of the truth that he was who he said he was. To fulfill the scripture of two or three witnesses as required by law. This is the reason he ask his disciples whom do men say that I am.

Some concur he was a prophet come back from the dead. Others sent from God. Peter was bold enough to declare he was the Christ the Son of the living God. So don't let on like Jesus also didn't have confirmation through the testimony of others that he was from God. How you like to twist the Word for your own convenience.

Until you realize Judah symbolically represents Jesus (as the lion of Judah) and not one of the two witnesses in (Gen.49.8-10KJV); you will continue to remain confused about every other thing.

I will not argue the different points with you. We have been through this for years and your thoughts on the subjects remain adamant b/c you believe you are never wrong.

No I don't speak for the two witnesses. I only know this; they would not be boasting that they are the greatest thing/person/ever born. And speaking grandiose things about what they shall soon do in the world. And boast of themselves to others as being one of those witnesses.

Cry instead my friend for the multitudes who are not the so called chosen who now scream for mercy in hell and find no release. Instead of boasting of your soon accomplishments and waiting performances to the masses to impress.
 Quoting: S-wordlike


You act as if because Jesus was from Judah that it blocks David and everyone else from also being from Judah. It doesn’t because the witness who is the son of David will have to be from the sceptre line of Judah. Jesus came to fulfill the scripture the sceptre whall not depart from Judah until Shiloh comes and the gathering of the people will be to David/Shiloh. Now if David/Shiloh wasn’t from Judah then Jesus couldn’t get the sceptre back at the end of the millennium because Jesus will become Shiloh(him whose right it is)at the end of the millennium and David/Judah will be the Judah the sceptre departs from to give it back to Jesus/Shiloh and the gathering of the people will at the end be to Jesus/Shiloh.

Jesus isn’t going to be ruling from earth during the millennium he will be ruling from heaven therefore David will receive the blessings and inheritance of the line of Judah on earth. That is why Jesus will be King in heaven and David will be king on earth. The heavenly kingdom is melchelzedek order and the earthly kingdom is davidic/levitic order.



The reason you can’t see the other anointed is you want the sceptre and the birthright but you are the firstborn and the birthright goes to the second born therefore you try to absorb the other anointeds inheritance and blessings. The birthright will never be your inheritance it is reserved for the other witness. This is what blocks you from understanding the scriptures because you try to twist them to make the firstborn receive the birthright and that isn’t a firstborn blessing it is a second born blessing. That is why there are two anointed.....one the firstborn who will have the sceptre/kingship and the second born who will use the birthright to become high priest on earth

Did you notice once Jesus said he was a witness and his father from heaven was the other witness that confirmed who he was .....there was no other witness needed according to the law. 5 minutes after Peter said you are the son of God jesus called Peter “Satan”.

Last Edited by waterman on 02/28/2021 11:15 AM
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