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Message Subject Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.3 and the Branch
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pardon me, however what is intended when they say "third Heaven" is that it is Heaven during the third and final earth Age...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49358927

Lets see if we agree on what the first and 2nd are. day 1 in Ge:ended with the earth spinning and the sun giving off light, the end of day mention the beginning of heaven that can be taken to mean the surface of dry ground or liquid water as found on the earth. Birds are called 'fowl of heaven' in that they fly in heaven but always land on the earth. That is considered to be the 1st heaven and the men on it are beings of the first birth, or we should be, the fall made us know about good and evil before 'the last moment' so we on on the alternate and much longer route via Ge:3:15

there is ever and always only one Heaven, Heaven being wherever God is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49358927

True enough, even inside the earth is a place God can reach. Beings that knew about good and evil at the beginning were heavenly creatures and they are of the 2nd birth and they are immortal and they know about good and evil. Men are ruled by the time given in the day 4 naming of created things, like the bodies of heaven that is above our clouds. These are beings of the 2nd birth and they operate under a different time scale, one day is 1,000 years so a year would be 360,000 years. That was the law because Satan was angelic and he and others were on the earth from that day on. Adam was destined to die on the same day he sinned, he died at 930 years so he was 70 years short of being 1 day old in the Kingdom of Heaven (3rd heaven) That dating lasted until the exodus and the 10 commandments and the death of the children of the fallen angels.
That same timing will return because it was fallen angels that were in charge and the adoption of the law in re:21 is befitting a people that are immortal, sinless, and know about good and evil.` This is like Noah after the flood and he looks around at all 8 people instead of before the flood when that same view would have included 8 million people.

there are however, and/or have been and will yet be three earth and Heaven AGES...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49358927

Here is where I should button my lips and let you talk.

the Lords Day and/or the Millennium consists of the first thousand years of the third and final Earth and Heaven Age
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49358927

Mine is pretty close and Isa:65 is an excellent summation if you start of taking the ones killed by the 7 vials as being the ones killed by the sword in Isa:65 and the verses that include punishment after the sword kills you. His servants have it much better and that would represent all the ones in Re:20:4 as being the ones alive during that same period of time. That chapter leaves out some information between the punishment and the verse that has Jerusalem in it. What is held back is that it is New Jerusalem that is being talked about but after the Great White Throne and Re:22 where is settles down on the new earth. Without knowing the dimensions of New Jerusalem in the OT it would be OT Jerusalem that would be thought of rather than the one in Re:21 that could comfortably hold all the ones live on day one of the 1,000 years. There is also an NT verse that mentions in the resurrection people are not married so no children will be born to any of them for the 1,000 years and when they leave there and enter New Jerusalem after the rest are judged at the GWT. That 1,000 years made them go from being 'just' to being 'perfect' and the ones called 'the rest' are in the same condition as they were at the start of the 1,000 years except this is the start of the new year so all the verses in Isa:65 that mention that are for the ones who live outside the city walls, they have children and since all angelic being have stayed in the 3rd heaven the universe is open for exploration by immortal people.

Hopefully that is short of being a rant and since this is our first time this might help you explain how yours point is different.

Jeremiah 23 shows the Zerubbabel half of the Branch

Jeremiah 23:5-6

King James Version (KJV)

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice(righteousness) in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby "he" shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.


Given the timing of these verses the same temple staff was going to try and kill Jeremiah right then and there, the response from God was to determine Jer:25 on everybody, that means Neb is the one as that is who came into the holy land and he was king of the land without a doubt.
I look at it this way, if Zec:14 is an expansion of what goes on in Revelation after all the vials have been poured out then I have to look at other things in the book that put it as being prophetic. I'm pretty certain that even though Daniel only touched on the end of the iron/clay that all 12 books listed after Daniel all deal specifically with the return as given in revelation, the bruise to the head finish, the 4 Gospels are how the other bruise was completed
 
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