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Message Subject Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.3 and the Branch
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I do have one question for ya sword...were you there at my birth and how long after my birth did you go to Vietnam and how old was I when you returned? I know you didn’t know who I was as you mistook my uncle for me. Funny you still can’t recognize me today...but you will soon...lol

If the truth is irritating or me being sent to tell you what I tell you is harassment then I’m sure you are going to feel irritated and harassed because I’m going to give what I’m told to give so when we are in the throne and the lord says to me did you try to join the two sticks of Ezekiel 37 as I’ve been instructed to ...I will be able to say “ I tried whole heartedly but he wouldn’t listen”....and then God will be given the glory when he joins Judah and Joseph and we can come back and join the 2 kingdoms of Judah and Joseph as we are those 2 kingdoms representatives...you Judah’s and me Joseph’s.


You once told me you didn’t love me for some reason...you didn’t understand why but it just wasn’t there....I can tell you why it is but you don’t want to believe you are judah and I’m joseph so you won’t be able to see why until the fullness of the gentiles when your eyes are opened to who we both are....remember only Judah is blind to seeing his brother until the fullness of the gentiles...Joseph’s eyes are wide open.

As far as me wanting to be famous...not really... in school I couldn’t even give a speech in front of 25 classmates...one time I was due to give a speech and it was 20 degrees outside...I skipped school so I wouldn’t have to give the speech and spent the day in an abandoned house to try to stay warm until the end of the school day...so being famous isn’t big on my list but fulfilling my purpose and hearing well done my good and faithful servant is at the top of my list.

Jesus and the word are never secondary to me he is King and High Priest melchelzedek order which is a heavenly rulership but the subject of the two anointed is to show one is king on earth during the millennium and the other anointed is the high priest on earth because the millennial kingdom is davidic levitic which means separation of kingship and high priesthood. Jesus equals heavenly realm rulership and the two anointed are earthly rulership where kingship and high priesthood are separate offices. The earth is always a lesser shadow of the heavenly realm but I shouldn’t have to tell you that as you have over 40 years study of the word.

How do I know people won’t like what I say when it is time to usher in the new age of the davidic levitic kingdom after the age of grace has come to an end?...the following verse....I also know I accomplish my mission because of the following verses:

Genesis 49:

22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:

23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:

24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)


25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:

26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.


You can disagree with me clear up to the throne room visit but once I receive my change of raiment and you hear “ is this not a brand plucked from the fire”...you will finally have your eyes opened and your perspective will not be the one you have right now...lol

Guess what judah? I don’t envy you anymore and I’ve noticed your vexing me has slowed down....this shows me we are getting close to the time of my arrival to the world stage.

Isaiah 11:13:

The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

P.S. this is a great line you wrote....I loved it and wished I wrote it...lol:

He twist scripture around out of place and conveniently advances his ill thought out conclusion by any means possible... by hook, crook or imaginations of his own egotistical conclusions.

clappa

josephprison
 Quoting: waterman


Much of this post was eliminated somehow so I will quickly rewrite a few of the things I have already said.

Waterman, I never said I was around when you were born. I said "I was acquainted with you since your birth."
You always want to add words from something never said. You are either adding or distracting from words never said or misinterpreting what was being relayed. You have a bad habit of doing this. Misinterpretation can result in a course ill advised.

Yes, I did fail to recognize you when I returned a year after my tour in Vietnam. You were so small when I left and when I returned I thought you were your uncle who was in the same room and who was ten mos. younger than you. A common mistake by so many troops in those days.

You said you loved my statement and wished you had said it. you have said the same things to me about my sayings or different statements/comments on other post/threads. Yet, you claim to be the Teacher of Righteousness but you have trouble conveying a clear objective toward your point of view without a plethora of illustrations, graphs and ideas and a thought process you have gained from the resources of others. My friend I would strongly reconsider your claim to the Teacher of Righteousness position. Nevertheless, wisdom is known by her many children.

I did not want to discuss all of these matters again with you. I have shared much with you over the years and wish now to cease. The reason I say you irritate, harass and pester me is b/c you never stop sending your propaganda on my thread or thru your constant karma remarks. You do not do this to edify but to harass knowing I have made it clear I no longer wish to discuss these matters with you. You will not hear what the Word is declaring and you have no desire to do so.

Not making a speech in class doesn't negate the fact your desire is to be famous. It isn't always orators that make leaders, but readers my friend create such objectives. For readers are not always leaders , but leaders are always readers.

I also would never speak publicly in class, and was a total failure b/c of it. Terrible grades in High school b/c of all the zeros from lack of making speeches. However, I seemed to manage okay. I needed to obtain my high school records years after I graduated and to my surprise I had much better grades than I was expecting. Either the school misconstrued my records or they replaced my records with another student with the same name..lol.

Nevertheless, even so in the 12th grade after my Mother went to a teacher/parent meeting my Mother came home stunned. She said my history teacher said your son never opens a book, never speaks in class, sets nonchalantly looking out a window, but whenever I ask him a question he always has the right answer. He further stated, If he would ever open a book he would be a straight A student. He continued, stating to my Mother your son is the smartest pupil I have ever had.

I am not posting this to boast or desire any recognition. Just that once in a great while someone in the know recognizes something hidden from those who lack the ability to conceive a higher calling than giving a speech or in this case opening a book. Yet, I studied what subjects was of my interest constantly, in my spare time, and one of those subjects was history. So actually I wasn't that smart, just well versed on the subject he was teaching..lol.

My son I had no desire at all to contend with you on this thread. As a matter of fact I would never had believed you would come to this site to present an argument with me. You are so misinformed about many things and you have never had any confirmation to even begin to prove you are who you imagine you are.

You simply believe you are a witnesses b/c you believe that I was told and I was, by the Lord in different revelations, visions and witnesses that I was one of the witnesses. Therefore, b/c you are related to me you also think you are entitled to the other position. Not only do you think you are entitled to that position. You have already laid out a plan that is not consistent to scripture. The stick that is joined together has to do with the two tribes/nations, not the two witnesses.

The throne room visit consist of only one individual, the one witness (that man-child) not the two witnesses as you envision. It happens not b/c that witness is needed to form a more complete plan for God needful to remedy a solution. That man-child/ witness, is transported there before he is devoured by Satan himself (Rev.12:4-5KJV,) (Job.33:17-28KJV.) Not b/c God needs any help in assisting Him in bringing two sticks/tribes/nations together.

The book of Job hides many mysteries and also that hidden one (Isa.49:2.) Even Job himself knew not what he wrote of or understood it. When he spoke and prophesied about that future Job/witness/individual/man-child/Israel/Jacob.. stating in the last chapter of Job.

(Job.42:3KJV) Who is he that hideth counsel
without knowledge? Therefore, have I uttered
that which I understood not, things too wonderful
for me, which I knew not.


Job freely admits he didn't understand anything he was stating, prophesying, or even discussing in the Book of Job. Because it's not ABOUT Job! But It's speaking of the one who overcomes/conquers. A future symbolic Job sent thru a furnace of affliction to reach his purification almost unto death (Isa.48:10KJV,) (Isa.49:2KJV,) (Rev.6:2KJV.) That rider upon the white steed, that rider is the arrow hidden (Isa.49:2,) that is why the bow appears to be empty of an arrow, it's b/c the rider is the arrow hidden, for the end days.

That one witness, that symbolic Joseph that Israel/Jacob/Enoch hidden in scripture, kept from those who understood not those things hidden. Kept from understanding and hidden in its own protective surroundings b/c of men of pride and ambition, hidden as an arrow is hidden in its quiver until it appears. until it passes into the day/light time, to reveal its once darken mysteries/revelations.

This man has many flattering names and titles. Too many to even mention in length for he is surnamed, meaning in the Hebrew linguistics, given many flattering names and titles (Isa.45:4KJV.)

Some of the names/titles are even named after him who created him. Names symbolic, like the son of man/day-spring for he was brought forth on that day as so was his Lord. Prince of Israel/king David/Joseph the signet ring holder prince beneath pharaoh, the bread of of life, during the famine/the BRANCH/Zerubbabel the Lord's signet ring /chosen one/Job/hidden one/wisdom/over-comer/conqueror/Enoch/Shiloh/elect one/ and many more and explanations as to why given each name/title but there is not enough page to explain even a small portion of this revelation.

Waterman, you shouldn't be quoting scripture when the meaning of its contents excludes your understanding of it contexts.

These few verses you have written has no claim as to who you are. It doesn't have a stamp of recognition in your favor at all. Truth be told these verses have not yet been fulfilled. And there meanings hidden and not yet understood unless you have studied my book published in 2006. If you have forgotten it's titled "Enigmatic Sunrise" on amazon. Not seeking to promote one of my books, but I dislike covering the same old ground. and most of the book is en tacked for the reading, without the necessity toward it's purchase.

(Gen.49:22-26KJV) (22) speaking of Joseph as a fruitful bough, is simply relaying to the reader of his ability to display the fruits of the spirit. Greater attributes burgeon forth from this aspect than the attributes of the gifts of the spirit.

For these attributes come forth from studying the Word diligently. Thus, drinking from the well continually, the water (Word of God.) Thus, whose branches run over the wall..meaning of the wall, outside religions, shall not be able to contain him from touching all different peoples of different beliefs, and converting them toward the salvation of Jesus Christ.

Not by mighty works or acts of power but by the display of the fruits shall men (generically speaking) of all beliefs come to the knowledge of Christ. For it will not be by the display of power or of might (the gifts) alone but thru the effects of the fruitful display, shall men seek His face. for not by might or power but by my spirit sayeth the Lord.

(23)the archers are prevalent and pervasive in scripture as the many come upon him to cause him great duress, sorrow (Job.chapter7) and throughout that book and in Psalms as well. and mock they him in the Book of Job profusely.

Asking him if he knew more than others older in age than himself. Though they mock him they are speaking truths about him that they know not what they are saying (Job.15:7-12KJV.) For all their accusations are true for he is the first man born, for he is Adam, and shall again retain that which he once was given; the earth and all its inhabitants. For all these things shall be once again restored to him as king upon the earth. And in heaven shall he set as that first man Adam. For the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. Therefore, it is this same Adam who goes forth conquering and to conquer (Rev.6:2KJV) in the end days. To again claim what is rightfully his...the whole earth and all that it contains!

They mock but truth is established of him, thru evil men of accusations. For as they accuse, he has heard the secrets of God. He does restrain wisdom to himself. He was made before the hills, as the scriptures declare. He does know many things and secrets. He will not share with men such as these. Yes his eyes wink at the known outcome of his final destiny. for he knows his time and the day he shall depart and the future happenings of secret things but he shall not share these things with men of evil purpose.

For he knows as Enoch declared when he shall pass from this life to the next. For he declared, I Enoch, shall die on the day I was born. Strange statement by Enoch in the 2nd book of Enoch. When you consider Enoch never died, but walked into life/and he was not. These words spoken by Enoch is speaking about a hidden Enoch who shall appear in the end days.

He it is that shall pass on the same day he was born.

Behold, why the gifts say he?
why the merriment abound?
Did my death bring rejoicing
and my demise the rejoicing of the world?
Did the passing of gifts commiserate my death
or my birth?
No! but they rejoice in their hatred toward me.

For it is not the day of a birth or a death ....
but the time is spring, the days of Purim
are in the land, and in this is the ways of celebration.

For it was at this time that in their blindness,
their cause was to rejoice over the death of Mordecai.
Thus, allowing Haman to dwell among them.
Thus, the day-spring sleeps and his friends
are no longer to be found. While his fellows stare
at his cold stance and silent utterance.
Waiting for the noise of the voice to once again
awaken him.

Nevertheless, their rejoicing shall turn
to anguish before a short time passes,
and the ground rolls itself up and seeks
its revenge of the death
of His two anointed.

(24) His bow is displayed as an overcomer/conqueror in (Rev.6:2KJV) and his arrow that shall shoot forth to the hearts of many people to the glory of God, is the rider therein of itself..even Joseph the hidden one, the prince of Israel, that one witness hidden, until men begin to see his covering being removed.

(25) the many blessing spoken in this first passage is simply a display of the multipurpose of God's purposes toward that man Joseph. Who shall receive form heaven above even bringing down fire. The blessings of the deep that lieth under, is the secrets of the Word hidden beneath the surface. That no man can see until the correct discernment of the Word is revealed..

Thus, shall that Teacher rightly teach many hidden and meaningful things for the end days. Even new concepts never revealed beforehand. He will speak in a different manner than a preacher or an edifier. He will speak plainly yet profoundly at other times, a type of melody, a song in words that expresses no beat, yet as the rhythm of music on parade.

Yet, in those days great and unheard, unheralded, mysteries shall be shown and many signs and wonders exposed and great exploits be displayed. And the sea itself shall open its gates for the children of the Most High.

And blessings of the breast in this verse, is the warmth of the nourishment of the milk of the Word to bring solace and contentment in a world of confusion, in the slumber within a wilderness unknown by the enemy. Blessing of the womb brings forth delightful things and fruition of happy surroundings and laughter in airborne transitions. And expounding faith to accomplish great things comes forth from the womb of expectation.

(26) this verse in Gen.49 examples a deeper understanding and promise to that man hidden who symbolizes Joseph for the end days. He is not only considered the first man God brought forth on earth but also in heaven before the mountains or hills were ever formed.

Thus, the Word emphases that he is greater than all his progenitors before him or all that will live after him. Therefore, even as the Lord the Father, said of his son, our Lord, set at my right hand (Psalms.110:1KJV.) So also has the King of Kings declared that that man; that hidden one shall be a king above all the kings in heaven and on earth for all times, throughout all ages, worlds without end.

For if all who belong to Him are destined to be kings and priest than that one who under Christ who stands out above his progenitors of all ages, he must be the greater among them.

Yet, in this life he must begin as the least of all. For he who is last shall be first and the first shall be made last. Yet, despise not small beginnings for the end results will end well. For in our humiliations confessions before others brings no consolation. However, obedience in Christ is the consolation we must always seek, regardless of our own fearful outcome.

Yes, as this verse states, within the passage, Joseph will be separate from his consanguineous brethren. And so as that last symbolic Joseph, these same siblings will again fail to see the man. They will fail to recognize him as to who he is. And they, his mothers children, shall not believe him, though he spoke it as so, as it was revealed to him (Psalm.69:8.)

It is late and I have written all night and far too much. I sought to converse with you but for a short time, but was compelled to reiterate what I previous stated before to you. Sorry about the length of my response but you really are far from understanding and discerning the many concepts of God's Word.

However, now that you are here on this site I do believe Pehjeshuau has been seeking to share his thoughts with you concerning your claims and positional standing in the Lord.

Lastly, I never claimed and I didn't ever say I didn't love you. I may have said once or twice I didn't like you, but to say I didn't love you was not something I would say to you. I do regret that I wasn't around for the first yr you was born. I felt we never really had a bonding effect with one another. Nevertheless, I had very little to say in that matter, being I was preoccupied in the Vietnam war at the time.

Please forgive me for any misspellings or punctuation mishaps. It has been a long posting and I was tired.

Please if you must respond back to me waterman, go to my thread. I have used too much of this thread and posted far too much material...Sorry to the originator of this site for making such a long post.
 Quoting: S-wordlike




The dilemma you have here sword is you want to believe there is a teacher of righteousness coming because you read it in the dead sea scrolls....but what it says is that the teacher of righteousness will be a the high priest and a colleague of the king. We also know the kingdom in the millennium is davidic and levitic therefore making it impossible for king david to be high priest on earth so that absolutely cancels out any chance of king david being the teacher of righteousnes or the high priest...so when we see joshua receiving the high priesthood in the throne room in zechariah we can be assured that it isn't david the king being joshua the high priest...now i'm sure david would protest that because I know your way of thinking and you would express your "opinion" if given the chance....and you will be given the chance in the throne room...it just isn't going to turn out in your favor.


Another of the many problems you have is you are only allowed to plow the word...it will be the other anointed who will be able to rightly divide what you plow as it states judah will plow but jacob will break the clods(divide the blessings). Again david will be king/lawgiver but the teacher of righteousness will be the interpreter of what david presents...again showing david plowing and the teacher of righteousness breaking the clods/dividing the blessings.

Hosea 10:11:

King James Bible
And Ephraim is as an heifer that is taught, and loveth to tread out the corn; but I passed over upon her fair neck: I will make Ephraim to ride; Judah shall plow, and Jacob shall break his clods.


It's so simple to understand the sceptre and the birthright are separate offices...the sceptre will be used for the kingship and the birthright will be used for the high priesthood:

1 chronicles 5:2:

For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)

volume of the book sceptre and birthright are separate postions. When the teacher of righteousness arrives he will usher in the prior age of the davidic levitic kingdom this is why his brothers will not like him...they will cry "blasphemy" just as the jewish did to jesus when the age of grace was about to start....people have a hive mind mentality and when one comes to bring something they aren't accustomed to they reject it...the new age will be faith in Jesus for the forgiveness of sin but the law will be combined with it to form a holy people as satan will be bound for the 1000 year millennium...also by having a davidic levitic kingdom the covenant for the 1st born and 2nd born to have dominion is fulfilled..one will be the king and the other will be the high priest...the two highest postions on earth as they will have dominion over everything that moves on earth as according to genesis:

genesis 1:28:

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.




Here is the key if you want to know who is who between the two anointed...blue is king davids position and violet is the teacher of righteousness postion: again if you read the dead sea scrolls it states that the teacher of righteousness will determine the hierarchical rank of who is who....basically what the teacher of righteousness interprets is what will be.


1. 1st born...................2nd born
2. Masculine..................Feminine
3. Sceptre....................Birthright
4. Kingship...................High Priesthood


The birthright holders are the spiritual feminine anointed...which would be your Eve...Issac...Jacob...Joseph...Ephraim..etc

The sceptre/civil leader anointed would be your Adam....Moses...David....Zerrubbabel...manchild...etc


leftrightkingpri

Joseph and Judah
 Quoting: waterman


Waterman,

so, therefore, I now do ask you if you really claim to be foretold in Holy Scripture, to be a foretold true witness, or, should we, as holy people before your time, ask if we should wait for somebody else than you?

Give us now your (dis)honest answer, for now you cannot escape if false, for it is God's true witness who now challenges you!

Greetings
PehJeshuah

You may find my true words elsewhere on the net, so there is no excuse for you to ignore me.
 Quoting: Welcome here 75842170



Lol...I must say PehJeshuah you are good for a laugh...if this whole internet thing don't work out for ya maybe you should look into doing some stand up comedy...well as you can see i'm not much for chit chat but if sword shows back up I might be able to squeeze out a few lines of response...lol.....I don't mean to ignore you I just don't see you writing anything of value....have a good night...lol
 
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