Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.3 and the Branch

You have a pompous attitude sword and you are only half of who you think you are... in the end you apologize to me so don’t be too arrogant... lol


Genesis 44:18:

King James Bible
Then Judah came near unto him, and said, Oh my lord, let thy servant, I pray thee, speak a word in my lord's ears, and let not thine anger burn against thy servant: for thou art even as Pharaoh



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So do I only it’s spiritual masculine and spiritual feminine...it’s always physical first and spiritual second in the Bible...Adam and Eve the physical...the two anointed the spiritual.

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Excuse me, We are all probable half of who we think we are. My wife accused me of that for years....lol. Just what do you see in my last post that makes me appear pompous in my attitude. Perhaps b/c I denied I was one of the witnesses. Perhaps you should look up the meaning for the word pompous, I am denying recognition, not claiming it. Or was it you thought I really was waiting for you to sleep, that I could literally steal you blind...No, no, Waterman I have no intention of stealing from you, or blinding you. You have accomplished that just fine in your own right...lol.

I am not being showy here just honest.

God bless, and good night.

You pretend as if you are above me....you aren’t...but you will learn that in time...until then I’ll bide my time.....hmm the wife knew you were pompous too...no surprise there...she only spent all her time with you..lol


Be truthful ..you think you are one of the two anointed...you think you are david...Moses...Joseph....enoch ...etc...I’m disgusted when I know you are Lying ....you aren’t better than that but you should be...a blind anointed can only see himself and that is all you can see so all the positions are wrong

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Since the fall of Adam and Eve none of humanity comes here to this place in the spiritual appearance, but the physical appearance only.

They will not be two men. one maintaining a feminine spirit and the other a masculine spirit, They will be physical in appearance and be of the gender in which they appear. Just as it was with Adam and Eve in the beginning after the fall. God is operational from backwards to forwards. When they (Adam) (Eve) first came into the world they were spiritual, at their departure they appeared physical, as their gender did appear. So also those two witnesses/Prophets, when they came will appear in the physical gender they identify with, and after their departure, once again spiritual.

For the word prophets in describing the two witnesses in, (Rev.11KJV.) Is interpreted in the Greek vernacular, as either prophet (male) or/and prophetess (female,) (Strong Concordance.)

Waterman, I never said my wife thought I was pompous. I said she accused me of being half the man I was. Typical Waterman, putting words in other peoples mouths they never said. Then accusing and criticizing them of/for saying what they hadn't said to begin with...lol

Calm down waterman, you're going to burst a vein. Why are you once again lashing out at me, accusing me of..how did you exactly say it...oh yes, accusing me of lying. And lying about what exactly? Oh yes not being an anointed one. Why would I lie about not being an anointed one. I could understand that you would be ...how did you say it...oh yes disgusted that I was lying about not being an anointed one...lol.

Waterman, I could understand you being disgusted if I was running around claiming I was an anointed one, and one of the two witnessess, Sorry, sounds like we are discussing you now.
However, to claim, that I am not one of those two, disgust you. That is baffling to me.

My friend I published a book on the subject of the hidden witness. Although, it is almost 200 pg long, never once did I ever claim I was that prophet/witness. Why wouldn't I claim it then if I thought it was so.

Nevertheless, you went on Amazon and lowered my review rating of the highest rating I could get by a professional critic. Because of your review rating, you pulled down his rating overview. The reason for the low rating by you. Why, b/c I didn't include the other witness in the book.

The book was about one witness, the hidden witness, not two, someone not fully recognized by most. The other witness (Elijah) has always been fully known by the public/populace. No need to write/know about him.

You lowed my rating b/c I did exactly what the book was suppose to portray, one, not two witnesses. You do have trouble following the story line don't you waterman.

How do I pretend I am better than you waterman. You once told me I would one day bow down at your feet (talk about pompous.) If this is someone pretending to be better than you. I must say that would be pretty pretentious....lol.

Again as usual Waterman you never answered my question. How was I being pompous?

Lol....I suppose you think the nation Jacob/United States is all females because I’ve read you say Jacob is feminine...it’s funny you can see the nation Jacob is feminine and the bride of Christ isn’t all female gendered people...but when I say one of the anointed is the spiritually feminine Jacob it totally derails how you want to think because it makes the other anointed Jacob and not you....in unification the whole house was israel so after the separation...the southern kingdom is still israel but goes by Judah and the northern kingdom goes by Jacob but is still israel....so when Isaiah speaks to Jacob “and” israel it is speaking to both anointed...because there are 2 Israel’s and it clarifies if it says Jacob you know it is speaking of the northern kingdom representative.if it says Israel it is speaking of the southern kingdom representative but you won’t see this until the fullness of the gentiles

Simply look at the pattern of the two anointed Moses the masculine office of civil leader and Aaron the feminine office of the high priesthood and the same with two more anointed zerrubbabel and Joshua again zerrubbabel the masculine office of civil leader and joshua the feminine office of high priesthood....both examples showing two men one performing the masculine office and the other performing the spiritually feminine office






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Lol....I suppose you think the nation Jacob/United States is all females because I’ve read you say Jacob is feminine...it’s funny you can see the nation Jacob is feminine and the bride of Christ isn’t all female gendered people...but when I say one of the anointed is the spiritually feminine Jacob it totally derails how you want to think because it makes the other anointed Jacob and not you....in unification the whole house was israel so after the separation...the southern kingdom is still israel but goes by Judah and the northern kingdom goes by Jacob but is still israel....so when Isaiah speaks to Jacob “and” israel it is speaking to both anointed...because there are 2 Israel’s and it clarifies if it says Jacob you know it is speaking of the northern kingdom representative.if it says Israel it is speaking of the southern kingdom representative but you won’t see this until the fullness of the gentiles

Simply look at the pattern of the two anointed Moses the masculine office of civil leader and Aaron the feminine office of the high priesthood and the same with two more anointed zerrubbabel and Joshua again zerrubbabel the masculine office of civil leader and joshua the feminine office of high priesthood....both examples showing two men one performing the masculine office and the other performing the spiritually feminine office





I now challenge you to prove that you are one of God's two foretold to come true witnesses, as I now clearly understand from what S-worlike has told here on the net that you do indeed make that claim!

If you does not understand one very importand biblical fact related to God's really true two witnesses I will put it down for you to see, namely that when they come THE WHOLE TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH is no more, but fallen away, and that is the only true reason why God sends them.

Tell me therefore what that great falling away is and at what time it should happen according to Holy Scripture!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah,
speaking to you from the north country as foretold in Zech 6:8. Do you know the reality behind what is said in Psalm 75:6, so who are you Waterman in claiming what you are definitely NOT?

Lol....I suppose you think the nation Jacob/United States is all females because I’ve read you say Jacob is feminine...it’s funny you can see the nation Jacob is feminine and the bride of Christ isn’t all female gendered people...but when I say one of the anointed is the spiritually feminine Jacob it totally derails how you want to think because it makes the other anointed Jacob and not you....in unification the whole house was israel so after the separation...the southern kingdom is still israel but goes by Judah and the northern kingdom goes by Jacob but is still israel....so when Isaiah speaks to Jacob “and” israel it is speaking to both anointed...because there are 2 Israel’s and it clarifies if it says Jacob you know it is speaking of the northern kingdom representative.if it says Israel it is speaking of the southern kingdom representative but you won’t see this until the fullness of the gentiles

Simply look at the pattern of the two anointed Moses the masculine office of civil leader and Aaron the feminine office of the high priesthood and the same with two more anointed zerrubbabel and Joshua again zerrubbabel the masculine office of civil leader and joshua the feminine office of high priesthood....both examples showing two men one performing the masculine office and the other performing the spiritually feminine office




believing in that false doctrine of rapture is a great failure and something that no true child of God would subscribe to.

Remember it, for you have not rejected that falsehood!

Greetings,
Just me
PehJehshuah

It’s 2 men. Not a woman and a man. But these two men will be calling people back to the Torah not to American Christianity.

For when Jesus came He told us that there had taken place a change in the Law. What change do you think He meant?

Best wishes,
God's true witness

Lol....I suppose you think the nation Jacob/United States is all females because I’ve read you say Jacob is feminine...it’s funny you can see the nation Jacob is feminine and the bride of Christ isn’t all female gendered people...but when I say one of the anointed is the spiritually feminine Jacob it totally derails how you want to think because it makes the other anointed Jacob and not you....in unification the whole house was israel so after the separation...the southern kingdom is still israel but goes by Judah and the northern kingdom goes by Jacob but is still israel....so when Isaiah speaks to Jacob “and” israel it is speaking to both anointed...because there are 2 Israel’s and it clarifies if it says Jacob you know it is speaking of the northern kingdom representative.if it says Israel it is speaking of the southern kingdom representative but you won’t see this until the fullness of the gentiles

Simply look at the pattern of the two anointed Moses the masculine office of civil leader and Aaron the feminine office of the high priesthood and the same with two more anointed zerrubbabel and Joshua again zerrubbabel the masculine office of civil leader and joshua the feminine office of high priesthood....both examples showing two men one performing the masculine office and the other performing the spiritually feminine office




Waterman, You have already sent the above post to my thread.
I already commented concerning this same post, on my thread: (Revealing The Two Witnesses In Scripture; Contrary To Opposing Versions.)S-wordlike

Waterman is wiaterwashing you up sword, and you're definitely right on Elijah more than a Prophet is the witness with Lord Jesus is here as the great Anti-Christ.

Elijah is the Son of God who can baptized children of God the right to enter the Kingdom of God as son and daughter of God.

No one is greater than Elijah on Earth but those of the least in the kingdom of God is greater than Elijah.

And Lord Jesus had already entered the kingdom of God.

And you too shall enter the kingdom of God.

Waterman, you wrote and I quote:
"Is that how you say it when you insult someone and expect them to laugh about it"

One way yes. Have you ever heard of Don Rickles, probably one of the most admired/funniest comedians among his peers and with the public. Why b/c they were not so full of pride that they couldn't laugh at themselves. Find me someone who can't laugh at themselves when being playfully jeered/reviled/put down. And I will show you a man/woman full of pride and thinks far too highly of themselves.

You misquoted me....in case you missed it I put an “lol” at the end of it which means it’s sarcastic humor...try to read the whole thing next time so you can quote me correctly...lol

My apologies, I didn't notice the lol at the end.

Not the last time you are going to apologize to me but hey whose counting...lol...again notice the “lol” on the end

Lol....I suppose you think the nation Jacob/United States is all females because I’ve read you say Jacob is feminine...it’s funny you can see the nation Jacob is feminine and the bride of Christ isn’t all female gendered people...but when I say one of the anointed is the spiritually feminine Jacob it totally derails how you want to think because it makes the other anointed Jacob and not you....in unification the whole house was israel so after the separation...the southern kingdom is still israel but goes by Judah and the northern kingdom goes by Jacob but is still israel....so when Isaiah speaks to Jacob “and” israel it is speaking to both anointed...because there are 2 Israel’s and it clarifies if it says Jacob you know it is speaking of the northern kingdom representative.if it says Israel it is speaking of the southern kingdom representative but you won’t see this until the fullness of the gentiles

Simply look at the pattern of the two anointed Moses the masculine office of civil leader and Aaron the feminine office of the high priesthood and the same with two more anointed zerrubbabel and Joshua again zerrubbabel the masculine office of civil leader and joshua the feminine office of high priesthood....both examples showing two men one performing the masculine office and the other performing the spiritually feminine office




Still waiting for an answer on this from Waterman.

-RML

Thank you for your kind remarks MOR. Nevertheless, I would be remiss if I didn't address you concerning my thought on the subject of the least in the kingdom of God.

Jesus said, in scripture, in (Luke.7:28KJV.) That among those born among women there is no greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Than in another verse (Mat.11:11KJV.) It states almost the same words verbatim except this time it says (the kingdom of heaven,) instead of (the kingdom of God) in the other verse.

Now my own personal beliefs and I am somewhat dogmatic on this subject, once the Lord revealed a more accurate meaning to me.

Is God seeking to give us a more accurate insight of Just who the two witnesses are. Not only that but what their positions will be. This is why God wished to include both the kingdom of God/heaven in the scripture to show us the vast authority they shall hold. For all scripture is given by the inspiration of God so both kingdom (God and heaven) verses are not there by chance.

Now the difference between the two kingdoms is one is an operational demonstration-al displays of powers/action/authoritarian and administrative duties. The other kingdom is an environmental/dwelling where many spiritual entities reside.

Now I am cognizant of/to the theory/speculation by some scholars/theologians/teachers that those greater than John are all those born-again after him. Yet, this could never be the case.

How could someone on their death bed with no previous record of doing any service toward the kingdom. Only on the other-hand murdered, pillage, and raped his victims. Be considered greater than John the baptist who apparently was greater than Moses and all other spiritual beings up to that point.

How would this be justifiable in the halls of heaven when Job, Daniel and all the Holy Prophets were sent to a lower setting arrangement in the kingdom. Below repentant murders, drunks and overall abusers of mankind. Just b/c they were consider the least in the kingdom; by the interpretation of some scholar/theologian. These things ought not to be and they are not. These men in the (generic-al) sense didn't understand the meaning of the least in the kingdom at all!

No these two verses are actually telling us who the two witnesses in the end days shall be. And from whose spirit they shall preside

You see Jesus told us that John was of that spirit of Elijah. Therefore, Jesus was informing us that Elijah came down from whence he once resided, and yet there remained one other, who also was there in that place. The heavenly realm; for both Elijah and Enoch was taken there in their flesh.

So it was Enoch who the Lord was referring to as being even greater than John. Why? Then did the Lord considered Enoch was the least. Consider as great as Enoch was in heaven, in the flesh surrounded by only spiritual beings of great power Enoch would have been consider the least among all the inhabits thereof.

Why wasn't John consider the least then also?...Because he no longer dwelt in heaven in the flesh but dwelt among the inhabits of earth at that time.

So then Enoch and Elijah will be the two prophets/witnesses for the end days. And Enoch shall be the greater of the two. And everyone who seeks to harm/help that prophet/witness will be fulfilling the Scriptures. If you have done it onto the least of these, you have done it unto me. And the other verse in Scripture. The least among you shall be the greatest.

Will Enoch and Elijah literally descend from heaven in the end days? No! of course not, but their spirits will reside in two who are to come forth from their Mothers womb. Their appearance will not matter whether male or female. These things were in the Fathers hands before the formation of this abode.

Hi S-wordlike,

In your estimation, why is there a need for God to send His Two Witnesses to the world?

-RML

Waterman,

He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory, but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is a man of truth; in Him there is no falsehood. (John 7:18)

-RML

I will refer you to waterman, on this subject matter. He gave the best explanation I have ever read on the subject. I don't know if it was his original thought process of the explanation concerning the subject or it was something he read and passed it on as his thoughts to other readers. I suspect the latter, but it doesn't matter who receives the glory, just so the explanation of the reason for it is known.

It had to do with something about Moses striking the rock more than once as God commanded. Thus, the necessity to bring forth the two witnesses for the end times.

Perhaps if you would ask Waterman about this he would respond. I do not believe my asking him would be well received, if you know what I mean. It's hard to tell which one of us he dislikes the most at this point, you or me....lol. Nevertheless, it is well worth reading the answer and very enlightening on this subject matter, if he would go over that again for us.

They are not sent to the world.

They are to Israel.

Thank you for your response. :)

Best Wishes,
-RML

Says Chuck Missler?

-RML

Says The Word of God.

In fact, there is no Scriptural basis to believe they are ver anywhere but Jerusalem.

That the whole world knows about them is, if anything, likely to be another indicator that this could only be fulfilled in our day with modern communications would be my guess.

But I just want to know the Truth of what Scripture says.

You guys can all toy with this in hundreds of posts of your ego efforts to posture and position amongst yourselves...

Read Revelation 11 again. It is clear they witness to the whole world. Why, is the question? Ponder it. Think about it. Pray about it.

Best Wishes,
-RML

"And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."

These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.

And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.

These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.

And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.

And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.

And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.

In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.

The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.


Revelation 11:3-14