Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.3 and the Branch

Waterman stop twisting scripture; Jesus didn't call Peter Satan for declaring him the Son of God, but for discouraging him from his mission.

Waterman stop telling me what I want. I seek not to absorb anything. I want nothing if you must know. I seek nether the scepter or the birthright or any position. You can claim any of them. The importance of them only rest in God's purpose, not man's desire for them.

I can tell you this though Shiloh is not Jesus, and Judah is not representative for another King outside of Jesus.

As I told you beforehand the two witnesses are not Judah and Elijah in (Gen.49), (Duet.33KJV), but the two witnesses are Joseph ("the crown of the head") (Gen.49:26KJV), and Gad (Elijah) Duet.33:20KJV), who comes with that same "crown of the head" (Joseph), in the last days in those two books.

Read those two verses (Gen.49:26KJV, and (Deut.33:20KJV), it is there in plain sight. they join themselves (Joseph and Elijah) to teareth the arm (Deut.33:20) of strength (anti-Christ) together.

As I said over and over I am done discussing these things with you. Just allow time to settle it.

I must know you better than you know yourself.
“I am the bow and you are the arrow...”. If my memory serves me right you tried to add to the blessing given. I have no doubt you believe the birthright is yours whether you say it or not.

Funny you should say “ Jesus didn't call Peter Satan for declaring him the Son of God, but for discouraging him from his mission. Sounds like a mirror of what is happening to Joshua the high priest as there is a “ satan” trying to discourage him from completing his mission”....hmmm

You will be the earthly king and you will be from Judah. Shiloh simply means “ him whose right it is and the people gather to shiloh so certainly Jesus will be Shiloh at the end of the millennium as it is his right and the people will gather to him. Jesus is in the volume of the book and Shiloh is a positive messianic prophecy that he is able to fulfill. I have no doubt David is the Shiloh getting the sceptre from Judah Jesus at the beginning of the millennium but Jesus is the Shiloh getting the sceptre back from Judah David at the end of the millennium because Jesus will be King of all on the new earth after the millennium and David will be a prince

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Nice attack.

We have been over this a hundred times. You fail to recognize the Scriptures and the meaning of its prophecy. Spiritual discernment is required, and it's a gift to recognize the connections of meanings and enigmas not learning toward mental comprehension, but spiritual manifestation once hidden.

The prince is Shiloh. Because it declares in (Ezek.21:26KJV) in exact terminology what lexicons throughout the earth declares that the prince/Shiloh means "Whose right it is" and is that same individual known as Shiloh/prince. Jesus is not that prince but the King of Israel, and could never be relegated to the position of a prince.

Ezek.21:26KJV) until he come "whose right it is"

These verses in (Ezek.21:24-26KJV) is not speaking about the King (Jesus) of Israel, but the prince (Shiloh) of Israel. Who Scripture declares is the same man Shiloh (whose right it is). This prince/Shiloh is gathering them for Jesus for the end days as declared in (Gen.49:10KJV) and (Isa.49:1-13KJV). As far as the lion of Judah, Judah represents Jesus in Scripture (Gen.49:8-12KJV) not someone else.

You are never going to be able decipher the scriptures until you understand 3 things:

1. Jesus never wanted to rule on this earth. Why because it will be a davidic/levitic kingdom which means separation of the kingship and the priesthood. As we know Jesus is both King and High Priest after the order of melchelzedek and those who dwell in the realm he dwells will be like him kings and priests therefore Jesus the bride and the tribulation saints will dwell in heaven during the millennium. Also Jesus already set up a king and a high priest on earth to have dominion and they are known as the two witnesses or two anointed.

2. Learn David has to be from tribe of Judah. You have no order to your reasoning. If David has the sceptre blessing he has the Judah blessing. No where do you see the birthright and the sceptre blessing being combined on earth this is why the 12 sons blessings were foretold for the end times so the sceptre blessing and the birthright blessing couldn’t be held by a single person. Do you not see the pattern in the volume of the book? There is the civil leader and then there is the high priest.....such as Moses and Aaron......zerrubabel and Joshua....showing the pattern of the division of the government and the priesthood on earth. Until you learn David will be from Judah there is no way you can come to the correct interpretation of the scriptures. Until you learn who you are and what your dominion is you will be reading the other anointeds position thinking it is yours. There is clear and definite division of the two anointed in the scriptures....one is always the civil leader/government and the other is the high priest. You will never have a melchelzedek order kingdom on this earth.....in heaven yes....on the next earth after the millennium yes....this earth no.

3. If David is from the sceptre line of Judah then Jesus isn’t going to just give the birthright blessing of Joseph to just anybody. He is going to give it to the other anointed so he can use it to become Jesus’ high priest on earth for the duration of the millennium


The two highest blessings of the 12 blessings: Judah’s and Joseph’s
1 chronicles 5:2 judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s

Who do you give the 2 greatest blessings to? You give them to the two who will have dominion on earth during the millennium so they can fill their offices....David the earthly king and Joseph the earthly high priest for the duration of the millennium so they can govern and lead the people to salvation. Afterwards in the new earth they can sit on the left and right of Jesus as the longest highest dominion serving servants of the Lord.

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As always you never address the question concerning Shiloh or any subject that often is presented. Because anytime the evidence is plainly presented to you, you simply change to another subject and insist that is the only subject matter.

Okay play your game Waterman. Say what ever you like. Doesn't mean your interpretation is nothing more than speculation and traditional meanings of past purposes but not the transitional prospect of a different enlightenment concerning the meaning of the Word.

Fine believe as you like..now leave me alone. You're like trying to teach someone to read who fails to see the words.

I already addressed Shiloh in the post before yours. Again if Jesus is the Judah ruling the melchelzedek kingdom from heaven and David is the Judah ruling the davidic/levitic kingdom on earth then you can get the double fulfillment of the sceptre shall not depart from Judah until Shiloh comes......the beginning of the millennium Jesus is Judah and David is Shiloh because the people are gathering to david and at the end of the millennium David is the Judah who is departing the sceptre to Shiloh Jesus because then the people will be gathering to Jesus. How am I not addressing your question? I think the problem is you keep trying to be Joseph and Joseph can’t hold the sceptre because that doesn’t come from his line....the sceptre comes from the Judah line ...so Judahs blessings are Davids blessings,

Joseph was a type of prince in Egypt; a descendant of the man Israel meaning (prince), and held a royal position just below Pharaoh and of royal authority. He wasn't symbolic of a priest as you make him out to be. Joseph/Shiloh is the temporary holder of the scepter. Jesus rules as King and High Priest regardless what you believe. Ask any Christian if Jesus is the King or the High Priest regardless in what realm and find out what is said.

I am done discussing this it's the same old thing with you. I believe you just enjoy causing chaos and seeking an argument

And that is why that Joseph didn’t receive the end times promise because the end times Joseph will hold the birthright and when the time is right will use it to become the high priest because we already have a king in david


There is a greater than Joseph coming just as the final David will be greater than the former David because these 2 rule for over 1000 years


The difference being Jesus is our melchelzedek order King and High Priest reigning from heaven and David will be the earthly king of the earth dwellers during the millennium because jues always want an earthly king. Jesus is smarter than demoting himself to either king or high priest to rule on earth when he can be both in heaven ....not to mention the people on earth have to believe in Jesus by faith just like the bride and trib saints had to which means Jesus can’t be on earth during the millennium


P.S :
I don’t seek an argument but I do know what I see and it lines up perfectly. When I see someone declaring they are from 2 different tribes....when they are performing duties of king and high priest in a kingdom that doesn’t allow it....when they have to be firstborn and second born for their theory to work.....just scratching the surface here....then I’m going to be that guy who raises his hand and says “Excuse me I disagree”.....lol but you already knew that.


Who received the firstborn blessing? Judah.....you are the Adam/firstborn therefore the Judah blessing is yours. The second born is the birthright blessing and we know Joseph got the birthright blessing therefore the other anointeds blessing is the Joseph blessing.

The volume of the book is about the union of the firstborn and second born ....then the division of two and then finally the unity of the firstborn and second born......if you couldn’t tell we are in the division of the firstborn and second born right now....lol


Remember back when we shared sweet council......seems like just yesterday......those days will return....just not today...lol



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I have shared sweet council with many. So don't hold your breath; it wasn't just you it was referring to... bye.

You approve you and your stupid cartoons thousands of times.

So what?

Your whole life is the LARP.

You are embarrassed to share the real you

so sty on your Fantasy Island.

The difference being when you plowed the scriptures they never broke the clods. Also they weren’t sent to tell you who you are on your 50th birthday

Here we see Judah who receives the firstborn blessing plowing and we have Jacob a second born who receives the birthright breaking the clods/dividing the blessings.

Hosea 10:11

And Ephraim is as an heifer that is taught, and loveth to tread out the corn; but I passed over upon her fair neck: I will make Ephraim to ride; Judah shall plow, and Jacob shall break his clods

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set up your own site instead of bother people on this thread about which is said that God's true witness(es) will speak?

And is it not strange that you proud S-wordlike gloat on this site just because God's true witness is banned from exposing your lies and stupidities.

Go on you devil, for what you do is immensely hated by God of this Almighty

I said it, so if you dare go on take the punishment coming upon you!!!

God's witness spoke

to be true, whether evangelists, pastors, even bishops, or whatever your father, the devil likes to call you, come to Colorado when I am there, God's true witness, and set up your ensigns against me to prove yourselves true and me false, if you dare!

If you knew how true and devastating my words of testimony really is, you would fear day and night for what is coming upon you, you sons of the antichrist.

God's witness spoke
Whoever he be

I only stopped by because sword was feeling charitable enough to grace this thread. The rest of you post pretty much like 12 year olds. One could go to a Sunday school class and learn more in 5 minutes than your entire content on this thread for the last 7 years...lol

So don’t think I stopped by for the continual muppet videos, devil emojis or someone who wants to send everybody to hell. I just stopped by because sword was here. The rest of you really don’t hold my interest. No offense you just don’t post anything inspirational or thought provoking.

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Revelation 11:6
They have the power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague, as often as they desire.
Can you do any of these things? If not stop playing around your soul is at risk. Stop before you condemn yourself to the lake of fire.

The two witnesses only have the power when they are united and not until the beginning of the 70th week and at the moment neither has come

You actually think Jesus Christ approves you above others.

Why do you think Jesus is as stupid as you are?

Nowhere in the scriptures does it say the two witnesses have power only until they come together. I am sure as true believers in Christ they have done many wonders like open the ears of the deaf, prophesied many events that came forth, healed by the power of Christ, believers and non believers. Led many to the Lord and received many visions and promises from God at his direction. As well as received miracles at different times when needed causing their lives to be preserved.

It doesn't say when they come together they have power but when God calls them than shall they do as they will and display that power.

Though they have not yet their full anointing they are still operational in many of the fields all Christians should be operational in in Christ.

Well I do appreciate that comment Waterman. I always
thought you classified me also in that 12 year old range..lol.

Revelation:
John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from Him who is and was and is to come, and from the seven Spirits before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.…

And I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” These witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

coptic christian discourse:
OUR HOLY FATHERS THE APOSTLES ASKED THE SAVIOUR ABOUT ABBATON, SO THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PREACH ABOUT HIM TO ALL MANKIND, FOR THEY KNEW THAT MEN WOULD ASK THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING. AND THE SAVIOUR, WHO DID NOT WISH TO DISAPPOINT THEM ABOUT ANY MATTER CONCERNING WHICH THEY ASKED HIM QUESTIONS, INFORMED THEM SAYING, 'THE DAY ON WHICH MY FATHER CREATED ABBATON WAS THE THIRTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH ATHOR, AND HE MADE HIM KING OVER ALL CREATION, WHICH HE HAD MADE, BECAUSE OF THE TRANSGRESSION OF ADAM AND EVE.'


idiots are condemning and judging the angel of death when he's the only one worthy to hand Christ the scroll of the 7 seals... rofl

I hope the two witnesses arrival is like tomorrow. They are going to kick some serious ass, rock and roll dude!

a seventh week you are in fact talking rubbish because you do not realize that Dan 9:24 foretold 490 years that ended in 36 AD.

Why don't you and S-wordlike (only like, not true) go away from this thread of RML and set up your own thread instead of talking utter rubbish here, such as is of not interest to my and other readers because of being just a stupid wrangle between two lost souls, who nevertheless believe they are on the right path?

So do I say,
PJ
God's true witness

You are always challenging someone, anyone to dispute your claims. Then when they do you claim you have been banned and cannot answer; or you are right and only you see the truth and everyone else is talking rubbish. We have our own threads as you well know. But the challenge didn't come to our threads but from RML thread. "So do I say", I believe you are nothing more than a poor excuse for a human being.

At least others seek to help you realize your myth of being what you are not. Your objective is to seek to send everyone to hell who will not agree with your lunacy. Or not to debate or disagree with you on the thread you challenge everyone. Stop being double minded, stop challenging everyone if you want no response or stop telling them to "go away from this thread". Just how old are you by the way.. 12..lol!

Bayou Ice,

Jesus knows you just removed those posts that I didn't also put here for that reason.

Jesus knows.

You will answer for those posts against me to Him.

See you there.

Bayou Ice,

Jesus knows you remove the truth

you condemn me for telling you.

Jesus knows.