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Toil Is Meaningless

 
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Highfive. Lot of depressed people on here tonight. Go figure. Lately it has become worse for me, I'm almost paralyzed with it today.

I am trying to be grateful for what I have, but I am just so tired. So tired of the struggle, the pain. I think I have wanted to quit since I was a child.

What I love and seek most is just sleep, but tonight that evades me. How ironic that in many cases the more depressed one becomes, the more sleep becomes disturbed. Like that last little bit of relief has to be snatched away.

Great world.
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It's lonely. But in my 30's not and never married and no kids. Although it hurts when I find and grow to love a woman. About three years is all I can handle for a relationship. I don't get super depressed often. But there are times I get into a stretch of just hopelessness and can't even have feelings of joy, sadness or even anger.

I don't know what causes it. I'm not and never have been on any kind of prescriptions. Eat a variety of real food, veggies, meats, grains, fruits and rice. I don't even drink sodas. Anyways, I always snap out of the stretch in about 8 or 9 days. Doesn't help I've been an crippling, yet functioning alcoholic sine about 2004.

Otherwise, I'm actually a fairly funny guy that's pretty personable and halfway educated. Just thought I'd share. Not matter how one feels, they are far from alone.
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Why is it only 3 years in a relationship? I can't advice too much how it works but I'm into 26 years. It's been up, down, sideways and shit everywhere. Every persons a mess, to me when you find someone, you have to love them like your family. Better or worse, sickness and heath, richer or poor. It pays off I believe.

Here's our wedding song.



PS: we married 20 years ago, lived together 6.
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I remember the first job I had back when I was 17. I worked for a locally owned grocery store as a sacker. On my first day of work the temperature reached record tying triple digit values and it stayed blistering hot for much of the week. I soaked my button up shirt with sweat, pushing basket after basket of customers bagged goods out to their cars and unloading it for them.

I can still remember how tired I was, how much my shoulders and feet ached after that first day. After a couple of weeks things began to improve and the work got much easier as my body adjusted to it.

The payoff was in getting my first paycheck, because it was something that I earned and not given to me. $4.25 an hour may not seem like much today, but back then it went a lot further than the minimum wage these kids are making today, you could still get a 12oz can of pop from the machine for a quarter, a gallon of gas for about a buck and a pack of smokes for around $.70 to $1.50 back then.

Someone could even live on their own in a 1 bedroom apartment back then on this kind of money. Granted I did not have a car and I was scraping by at the end of the month, but I did it for a year without any government welfare assistance. I did that shit on my own.

Hard work isn't meaningless for those that take pride in or enjoy what they do... at least that is the way it used to be.

What is so demoralizing for many hardworking people today, is how lazy people can get rent, food and other things from the government and not even have to put on a work uniform to receive these things. To top it off, they get all the time in the world to go play or look for other free shit.

I often wish that the government would just go ahead and pull the plug on the welfare system and let folks get back to a meaningful life.
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Highfive. Lot of depressed people on here tonight. Go figure. Lately it has become worse for me, I'm almost paralyzed with it today.

I am trying to be grateful for what I have, but I am just so tired. So tired of the struggle, the pain. I think I have wanted to quit since I was a child.

What I love and seek most is just sleep, but tonight that evades me. How ironic that in many cases the more depressed one becomes, the more sleep becomes disturbed. Like that last little bit of relief has to be snatched away.

Great world.
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I have been paralyzed with depression, too. How could we not be depressed with the things that are happening around us?

And what can we do about it?
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11/10/2013 03:15 AM
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I'm afraid of dying.
 Quoting: Diluted


In respect to?
The way you'll go when the time is up - whether peacefully in your sleep, in slow agony, or however is ordained for you? The uncertainty of what is awaiting each and every one of us? I laugh at all those that say they know what happens. They don't know - it is but what their minds perception is.
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I have nothing against working hard; I've done it all my life. However, a lot of work is just unnecessary busywork or not as important as some make it out to be. I work at a place that ships craft supplies to stores; we've been working for about 37 days straight now, 10 hour days and 8 on Sundays, to get the Christmas shit out. CRAFT SUPPLIES, fucking craft supplies, we're busting our asses for, not having any time for our friends and family, no time to do chores, go to the grocery store, and no time to relax and recharge-just work, eat, and sleep. And the sleep is not restorative. Complete

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work, eat, sleep. that's my life. and every month i'm afraid i might not be able to pay my bills.
forever's gonna start tonight
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I have nothing against working hard; I've done it all my life. However, a lot of work is just unnecessary busywork or not as important as some make it out to be. I work at a place that ships craft supplies to stores; we've been working for about 37 days straight now, 10 hour days and 8 on Sundays, to get the Christmas shit out. CRAFT SUPPLIES, fucking craft supplies, we're busting our asses for, not having any time for our friends and family, no time to do chores, go to the grocery store, and no time to relax and recharge-just work, eat, and sleep. And the sleep is not restorative. Complete

bsflag
 Quoting: artemis133


work, eat, sleep. that's my life. and every month i'm afraid i might not be able to pay my bills.
 Quoting: top ramen isn't food


Even if you got ahead of the game (which I think it is) you'll still worry if you have kids no matter how old they are.
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Have you any idea how hard, ruthless and cruel living "naturally" really is? Without toil you would be dead of starvation, disease, or predation.

Toil by the many is what enables us to lead relatively comfortable lives.
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Have you any idea how hard, ruthless and cruel living "naturally" really is? Without toil you would be dead of starvation, disease, or predation.

Toil by the many is what enables us to lead relatively comfortable lives.
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That's true, I live in the country in Canada and agree, bet the life expectancy would go down.
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i toil every day

u may call it meaningless as i would call your toil

but at the end of the day, i can wash my hands and look at a hard days work and be satisfied even if the other side of my life is hell

i work because, i enjoy working not for any other reason

my toil is my own i make it from scratch

your toil is someone else's work.... copy and pasted then presented as meaningless toil...LOL

do you think you may be the maker of your own meaninglessness and depression, because thats what you want to feel is depressed and hopeless
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I'm afraid of dying.
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i can't tell you not to be. i can only point out the meaninglessesness in being afraid of what everyone does.

i think of it sometimes

it makes me excited

like the thought of escaping a prison
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.
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Ecclesiastes 2:17-26 (NIV)

17 So I hated life, because the work that is done under the sun was grievous to me. All of it is meaningless, a chasing after the wind. 18 I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me. 19 And who knows whether he will be a wise man or a fool? Yet he will have control over all the work into which I have poured my effort and skill under the sun. This too is meaningless. 20 So my heart began to despair over all my toilsome labor under the sun. 21 For a man may do his work with wisdom, knowledge and skill, and then he must leave all he owns to someone who has not worked for it. This too is meaningless and a great misfortune. 22 What does a man get for all the toil and anxious striving with which he labors under the sun? 23 All his days his work is pain and grief; even at night his mind does not rest. This too is meaningless. 24 A man can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in his work. This too, I see, is from the hand of God, 25 for without him, who can eat or find enjoyment? 26 To the man who pleases him, God gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases God. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
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Every single thing you do, have done, or will do, is all dust in the wind. It's all going to be one big lake of fire, and every single thing you see around you will be burnt up.
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Yes, but you will still be you and stuck with what you have become.
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But you have to pay your rent? lol
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I'm afraid of dying.
 Quoting: Diluted


i can't tell you not to be. i can only point out the meaninglessesness in being afraid of what everyone does.

i think of it sometimes

it makes me excited

like the thought of escaping a prison
 Quoting: heresmystupidaccount


You still remain in the Astral prison connected to Earth.

I've read that one way out would be if you could take a spaceship to a better planet when you still in a physical body, this would even remove you from the local Astral prison.
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Kahlil Gibran on work:

“And all work is empty save when there is love;
And what is it to work with love?
It is to weave the cloth with threads drawn from your heart, even as if your beloved were to wear that cloth.
It is to build a house with affection, even as if your beloved were to dwell in that house.
It is to sow seeds with tenderness and reap the harvest with joy, even as if your beloved were to eat the fruit.
It is to charge all things you fashion with a breath of your own spirit,
And to know that all the blessed dead are standing about you and watching.
Often have I heard you say, as if speaking in sleep, "he who works in marble, and finds the shape of his own soul in the stone, is a nobler than he who ploughs the soil.
And he who seizes the rainbow to lay it on a cloth in the likeness of man, is more than he who makes the sandals for our feet."
But I say, not in sleep but in the over-wakefulness of noontide, that the wind speaks not more sweetly to the giant oaks than to the least of all the blades of grass;
And he alone is great who turns the voice of the wind into a song made sweeter by his own loving.
Work is love made visible.
And if you cannot work with love but only with distaste, it is better that you should leave your work and sit at the gate of the temple and take alms of those who work with joy.
For if you bake bread with indifference, you bake a bitter bread that feeds but half man's hunger.
And if you grudge the crushing of the grapes, your grudge distils a poison in the wine.
And if you sing though as angels, and love not the singing, you muffle man's ears to the voices of the day and the voices of the night.”
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The only thing worth looking for in life is someone to love and share things with. Nothing else matters.
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sorry, i couldn't help myself (of course, one's relationship with God is of the greatest importance):

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I have nothing against working hard; I've done it all my life. However, a lot of work is just unnecessary busywork or not as important as some make it out to be. I work at a place that ships craft supplies to stores; we've been working for about 37 days straight now, 10 hour days and 8 on Sundays, to get the Christmas shit out. CRAFT SUPPLIES, fucking craft supplies, we're busting our asses for, not having any time for our friends and family, no time to do chores, go to the grocery store, and no time to relax and recharge-just work, eat, and sleep. And the sleep is not restorative. Complete

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 Quoting: artemis133


But the end result of all of your hard work is the joy it brings to all of those people waiting to receive those craft supplies!
I'm a dressmaker, it can be very stressfull, hard work and I don't charge enough for what I do (have been told this many times) I'm a great dressmaker! just not good at the money side of things. Sometimes I have too much work, others I don't have any! Life is full of ups and downs! My pleasure even after doing this for 35 years comes not from the payment at the end (although I need this to survive) It's the Joy on the face of a satisfied customer.. seeing them look great in something I have done!.

One day as I sat pondering the meaning of life, during a particularly stressfull time a few years ago now, I remembered something my 3 year old grandson happened to mention to my daughter about when he was in the sky before they gave hime eyes and legs and arms and came down here!
If I chose my life experience before I came! then I wouldn't have given "Me" anything I couldn't handle now would I! This seemed logical to me, and I have excepted my life for what it is! up's down's the lot.. Glass half full as they say!
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Only Fools and Horses Work.
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I'm afraid of dying.
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I also could have written this, but hey, it is an appointment you have to keep. There are but two certainties in life.

You are born and you expire. Sell by date would be mankind's coinage.

I look to our Blessed Mother and have some sort of faith. I have lost a couple along the way but do somehow know they are still about me. In times of difficulty I ask Her to keep er cloak about me and those I love.

Find a faith and believe. In the grand scheme of things it is really a short process............hf
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it don't mean nothin man, it don't mean nothin

/end 'nam flashback
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it don't mean nothin man, it don't mean nothin

/end 'nam flashback
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Flashback is a good thing. There to remind you, but also to help you realize.

Realize and deal with it as is it's purpose. Not a specific thing to a specific culture. We all have it in some way.

Look within and try to forgive you.
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to have an ounce of normality, toil is theonly thing that will bring that about. to heatyour home in the winter, to have that ocasional treat, to have a nice clean home. just some of the basics dude that all require toil that enables you to experience those things
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I take more of an existential approach to life, you have to find your own meaning :)
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Yep. I never understood the "protestant work ethic." They act as if working hard is a virtue, when really getting by is all you need. Jesus Himself told people to throw away their possessions and follow Him. All you need are the necessities, and worldly pleasures are nothing compared to the joy of living in the spirit.
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when you don't have any possessions you have no where to sleep, you get tired and sick and die.

the advice of a fool leading you to suffering and death.

Either that or the advice of a wicked spirit that knows better.

the old testament says 'poverty is death', and poverty is a curse.

How come there isn't a single Christian preacher or church that doesn't ask you for money? Why is Christianity so rife with blatant hypocrisy? And it always has been.
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"Life is a Journey, not a Destination" "Stop and smell the Roses". Life is a test from my understanding. The path is narrow.

I don't have answers and struggle OP. I am a christian women and I believe but the Satan has my flesh in his hooks with alcohol. It's so hard for me.

Life is depressing for the most part. You work hard for what, shelter, heat, water, food and see no one you love because everyone is doing the same. We need to stop the madness.
 Quoting: >>Kate<<


Ben Franklin said 'beer is proof there is a God and he cares about us'
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There are some people crying right now becuase they don't have work. When you realize your work is toil, become the master of it. and do not let it become the master of you.
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"Life is a Journey, not a Destination" "Stop and smell the Roses". Life is a test from my understanding. The path is narrow.

I don't have answers and struggle OP. I am a christian women and I believe but the Satan has my flesh in his hooks with alcohol. It's so hard for me.

Life is depressing for the most part. You work hard for what, shelter, heat, water, food and see no one you love because everyone is doing the same. We need to stop the madness.
 Quoting: >>Kate<<


Ben Franklin said 'beer is proof there is a God and he cares about us'
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One of my favorite Einstein quotes/stories was when he as leading this think tank. Together they all estimated that we as humans know less than 2% of what there is to know in the universe. He then asked them why their could not be something godlike in the other 98%. He also said the bible was nothing more than children's stories, but that is my approach to modern religion too.
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"Life is a Journey, not a Destination" "Stop and smell the Roses". Life is a test from my understanding. The path is narrow.

I don't have answers and struggle OP. I am a christian women and I believe but the Satan has my flesh in his hooks with alcohol. It's so hard for me.

Life is depressing for the most part. You work hard for what, shelter, heat, water, food and see no one you love.
 Quoting: >>Kate<<


I am depressed right now as well. Nothing in this life truly has any meaning. It's very clear. Our rewards are in heaven not on earth.
 Quoting: CJStryker

Heaven and hell is in the here and now. It is a state of being. If you're not entering heaven now while in flesh, you won't enter heaven after being bodiless.
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I don't know so much. I made more than enough money to see me through by the time I was 30.
I didn't work particularly hard either.
I have no problem leaving what's left to my kids, and I already give so much of it away anyway that there might be none left for them.
I live in a remote place and in a modest home, drive a modest car and just enjoy my life day to day knowing I could be dead tomorrow.
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to have an ounce of normality, toil is theonly thing that will bring that about. to heatyour home in the winter, to have that ocasional treat, to have a nice clean home. just some of the basics dude that all require toil that enables you to experience those things
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So not true.
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"Life is a Journey, not a Destination" "Stop and smell the Roses". Life is a test from my understanding. The path is narrow.

I don't have answers and struggle OP. I am a christian women and I believe but the Satan has my flesh in his hooks with alcohol. It's so hard for me.

Life is depressing for the most part. You work hard for what, shelter, heat, water, food and see no one you love.
 Quoting: >>Kate<<


I am depressed right now as well. Nothing in this life truly has any meaning. It's very clear. Our rewards are in heaven not on earth.
 Quoting: CJStryker

Heaven and hell is in the here and now. It is a state of being. If you're not entering heaven now while in flesh, you won't enter heaven after being bodiless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49631665


And the world reflects our state of being. it's hell.





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