Sandy Hook EMT confirms Cario's statement: four patients were immediately transported

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At 2:35: "...probably 20 minutes after I'd been there, and they had taken four patients to the hospital..."

Apologies - that EMT (brunette in green shirt) wasn't Krista Halstead...

It was Kelly Burton (Sandy Hook EMT and volunteer firefighter)

Corrected version:

Vance says 18 children remained at the school deceased, 2 children were transported, and 2 adults were transported, total. 1 child from Soto's room carried out by Chapman, and 1 unspecified child.

CSP Sgt. Cario and Trooper Patrick Dragon, however, said they each removed one or more children from Rousseau's bathroom, alive, and that these children were transported.

Sandy Hook EMT and volunteer firefighter Kelly Burtin says she was dispatched at approximately 10:15 a.m. (in reality the call went out at 10:04 a.m.) and received a ride from a fellow emergency services worker, and that within 20 minutes of their arrival four patients had been transported.

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Deb Pisani wasn't transported until approximately 11:15 a.m....they were still calling for a gurney to be wheeled down from Riverside at 11:09, so her actual transport was likely after 11:20, at the earliest.

In order for four patients to have been transported 20 minutes after Kelly's arrival, it would have had to take Kelly until 11 a.m. or later to get to the firehouse; as an EMT, her response time would have to have been roughly 55 minutes.

Let's say for some reason she didn't hear Bob's original dispatch at 10:04, and got hers at 10:15 a.m.; it would still have had to take her 45 minutes to respond to her dispatch. Not likely.

Within 20 minutes of her arrival, four patients had already been transported; this cannot logically include Deb Pisani.

If Cario and Dragon each removed a child as they said they did, and if those children were transported, as they said they were, and if Chapman's child was transported, as he and EMT Dahlmeyer said she was, and if Hammond was transported, as Bill Halstead said she was, these numbers add up perfectly to the number of individuals Kelly said were transported within 20 minutes of her arrival. Three children, one adult, all transported within approximately 10 minutes of shooter(s) down.

All this time and the information has been right here, in this early video. A good reminder to go back and review all the interviews.

Are we to assume that there we THREE children transported to the hospital, two of which died and one survived? All I've heard from this story so far is that TWO children were taken to the hospital and both died. TWO surviving teachers were taken to the hospital, supposedly Hammond (at just after 10) and Pisani (later on, at the earliest 11:15). I've read about the unhurt child with blood all over her taken out of the school by Penna to the triage. As far as I know, this surviving girl was not taken to the hospital, or maybe she was but has not been documented. If you have any more information about what happened to the surviving girl after she was taken out of the school, I'd like to see it.
The only other info I remember about her is that some pastor of a church said that she came up to her mom and said "I'm ok, mommy, but the rest of my classmates are all dead".
In the original PD Audioreference recordings I remember that ambulance A2 took one child to the hospital and A3 took Hammond. (I could have these backwards)
As far as I remember, there wasn't any recording of any other students or teachers being taken away by ambulance.

Well, obviously Pisani (or someone who was supposed to be her) was taken to a hospital since we can see this taking place in the chopper video and another video clip of her being wheeled on a gurney and put into the back of an ambulance.

AMG was reported by several sources as perishing in hospital. She was in Rousseau's room. My feeling is the second from R's room was JM Chapman's child was the third, from Soto's room. Some say OE, but I'm not sure. At any rate, Chapman's child was neither AMG nor JM, since he stated he carried her directly from Soto's room.

I think Cario and Dragon rescued AMG and JM; Chapman rescued OE. OE was taken to A2; AMG and JM were taken by patrol car and may possibly then have been put into A2 and A3 respectively. Hammond supposedly went into A3, but I think in the end she may have ridden front of vehicle in A2.

All of this happened well before Pisani was transported--at least an hour prior.

Sorry...punctuation is everything, "AMG was reported by several sources as perishing in hospital. She was in Rousseau's room. My feeling is the second from R's room was JM."

If A2 and A3 didn't take extra patients, we then have to believe the strange Courant report which states Cario and Dragon placed the children into patrol cars which took them straight to Danbury.

Definitely - it just happens too late, though, to be one of the patients Kelly Burton is referring to. Pisani is taken by some out-of-town ambulance to Griffin.

A2 is the only one (I could hear) to broadcast anything at all regarding its patient. Oddly, it describes its transport as "front of vehicle, not secured."

Which is strange, because A2 EMT Cathy Dahlmeyer states she and crew were working on the injured child in the back of the vehicle.

Perhaps there's a prohibition on describing pediatric patients in any way?

Do you happen to have that story of Dahlmeyer's handy? I'm trying to remember if she mentioned any other injured person in her vehicle. I don't think she did.

I have read a story about AMG dying in hospital but I've also read a conflicting story about her mother saying she was found dead in Rousseau's bathroom...so, I don't know.

Three kids COULD have been taken to hospital but in pretty much everything I've read, they've said it was just two that were taken there and then perished. I don't believe I've read or heard anything about a child surviving after being taken to the hospital. If true, I'm sure we would have all heard about that by now.
What makes you think JM or OE could have been transported?

No attempt to move 18 'critically injured' children.

None.

Criminal.


No one had any business declaring anyone dead until they were at a hospital. Pathetic incompetence by CT and Newtown police. But they are getting a weeks pay for their trauma....they do not care....they let children die.

The details matter. Were all still trying to find out what the "facts" really are.

I haven't heard anything about anyone surviving - just being transported.

There are only three possibilities from Soto's room: OE, AR, or AW. Judging from the photo of Chapman, AR is actually the closest match in my opinion. OE's pastor said she died in the arms of a police officer; some felt this meant Chapman, but it may be that she died in the school, in someone's arms, and that Chapman carried another little girl out.

To be honest, I feel the photo is closest to a girl in Rousseau's room, but that doesn't match up with any story. But--at the same time, AMG is one of the few said to have died in hospital.

Dahlmeyer interview here:

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Thanks for the link.

I hadn't heard the story about OE dying in a police officer's arms. That's interesting.

Interesting to come back to this early thread, given the fact that a call from the Danbury Hospital head of security listed FOUR patients from Newtown arriving by 10:25 a.m.

Clearly not Pisani.

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Sandy Hook Final Report, Exhibit 349.

File name: StartTime 2012-12-14 15-25-12 Logger 45170321 Channel 1 Radi

The caller is a Danbury Hospital security officer calling to request additional officers to help with the influx of visitors to the hospital.

Caller: "We're at Danbury Hospital, the emergency room..."

CSP Dispatcher: "OK, do you have any victims that are there?"

Caller: "Yes, we have four victims that already came in from Newtown."
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See also: Thread: BREAKING: Security officer reports *four* Sandy Hook victims in Danbury ER

And now this:

Danbury Hospital physician José Mendez:

"I was in charge of taking two kids to the hospital. It was one of the most horrifying things I’ve ever seen."

In what vehicle??

Which children?

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This brings the total to at least five children transported.

Two children in a police squad
One child in an ambulance
Two children transported by a physician (in his own car? In something else? Did he have anyone with him??)

How many victims remained in Room 10?

Keep in mind that Vanghele said only TWO children remained in Room 10, and that Hull reported Vanghele taking a child out before Chapman carried out his patient. Lt. Davis' dashcam shows this (or some other) child being carried out at 9:50:29 a.m.

Thread: Sandy Hook: How many victims were in Room 10?

Cario actually corroborates this in his report, albeit in now-recognizable sidespeak.

Cario has gotten Natalie to a cruiser, which has already left. He and Vanghele are now taking TWO children in the SUV, though he must report it as a single "boy."

In typical Cario stubbornness, however, he adds:

"While I have no specific recollection of Newtown Officer Chapman carrying out a young female victim, I remember knowing that we had three victims in serious or critical
condition and only two ambulances."

He's saying "We had three victims in serious or critical condition NOT including Chapman's."

He's saying he had two children in that SUV (just as he and Dragon reported to the Courant, and just as the SUV decon report stated).

Don't get lured into thinking ONLY four though. Remember those missing from No. 10. At least three children transported secretly. Because only two were left in the room.

We even had someone come here and give a convoluted hint using an old movie showing "Lyrical Lane" on a packing box in the background (how anyone knew to do that is beyond me). Lyrical Lane is in fact the street name of the victim who's parents immediately opened an estate in her name, and who is a candidate for one of the secret transports.

This is one:

Thread: Sandy Hook: Vanghele carried a child out of the school according to Hull

Mrs. Parker states that her daughter was in the room 8 bathroom, and alive, when police found her. Cario concurs though does not name the child.

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Steve Hodges Tweeted briefing at Danbury Hospital that "3 students" were being treated.

Not "3 people" -- 3 students.


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John Murphy - Danbury Hospital Reports 3 students at Danbury Hospital #newtown

9:38 AM - 14 Dec 2012
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I have it from one media source that CSP guys were here on the forum (which was pretty obvious given some of the namedropping, etc.)