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Widow Faces Eviction in Fla. City For ‘Living Off the Grid’

 
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If there is city sewage and city water running in the street in front of the house, then code is set to insist on these basics for health reasons.

The basic idea is that they don't want people shitting in a hole in their back yard, instead they want the waste removed from the neighborhood, to a treatment facility where it gets treated.

If you have water in the street in front of your property, housing density is most likely too high to support things like privies and septic tanks.


Similar laws are pretty much everywhere in the USA and industrialized nations. The problem is not one or two individuals living on a privy, the problem is that privies and leach lines (septic tanks) leach out their bio-wastes into the surrounding soils.

If she is on a privy (out house) then there is potential for airborne fecal based disease which the code is in place to protect everyone that lives around her.

The property is not being condemned because she lives off grid, its being condemned because it is most likely in violation of local health codes that protect her neighbors from her shit.

No doubt if she lived a bit away from town, on a street road without water main and sewers she could live pretty much as she pleases, because the local population density would be low enough to sustain her lifestyle.
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There are many devices, such as incinerating and composting toilets, that allow for proper sanitation without water. The codes generally enforce the state of the community 50 years behind the times.
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Until recently, Spain encouraged home owners to go off-grid and use pv. Now they are taxing people who use pv, with fines over 1,000,000.00 for failure to comply.

Scumbags are everywhere.
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the news reporters stated that the city inspector condemned
the property because the owner did not have electricity,
sewage, and water turned on.

this is what you get when you live in a city or town border.

the bureaucrats/inspectors are the real lords over you.
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Correct. Municipalities have zoning codes/building codes/health dept. requirements, etc. Get out of the incorporated villages and developed municipalities to have a better chance of living grid free. Hunting lodge anyone?
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The Amish and some other religious groups live off the grid. Are the nazi's going to evict them from their homes too?
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For that matter, everyone lived off the grid before there was a grid!

Gosh, how did they do it without the government... oh, even the government was off the grid!

What the hell is wrong with people nowadays?
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The Amish and some other religious groups live off the grid. Are the nazi's going to evict them from their homes too?
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For that matter, everyone lived off the grid before there was a grid!

Gosh, how did they do it without the government... oh, even the government was off the grid!

What the hell is wrong with people nowadays?
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She probably spends more money on propane, batteries and water than she would be spending on electricity and city water.

Why doesn't she just get the electricity and water hooked back up, but just not use it? She could use it when she wanted, or not.
 Quoting: Paige


We the People are supposed to have freedom of choice. She owns that home and who is she hurting? They posted what was basically a condemned sign without seeing inside the home.
 Quoting: ~~**lisa**~~


I think it's BS too. They have no authority to condemn a property just because it doesn't have electricity and/or water hooked up.
 Quoting: Paige


That depends on where you live. Municipalities have certain requirements before they will issue a homeowner a C.O. (Certificate of Occupancy) and be allowed to occupy a home. If it's not to code, they condemn the property.
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Its their way of condemning the land god created and left here for everyone to use ...

They get off on it
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If there is city sewage and city water running in the street in front of the house, then code is set to insist on these basics for health reasons.

The basic idea is that they don't want people shitting in a hole in their back yard, instead they want the waste removed from the neighborhood, to a treatment facility where it gets treated.

If you have water in the street in front of your property, housing density is most likely too high to support things like privies and septic tanks.


Similar laws are pretty much everywhere in the USA and industrialized nations. The problem is not one or two individuals living on a privy, the problem is that privies and leach lines (septic tanks) leach out their bio-wastes into the surrounding soils.

If she is on a privy (out house) then there is potential for airborne fecal based disease which the code is in place to protect everyone that lives around her.

The property is not being condemned because she lives off grid, its being condemned because it is most likely in violation of local health codes that protect her neighbors from her shit.

No doubt if she lived a bit away from town, on a street road without water main and sewers she could live pretty much as she pleases, because the local population density would be low enough to sustain her lifestyle.
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Thank you. Someone who is familiar with municipal codes speaks the truth. At the base of it all, health dept. considers you a health hazard, at baseline of most standards. (I do municipal zoning.)
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The Amish and some other religious groups live off the grid. Are the nazi's going to evict them from their homes too?
 Quoting: tiger1


For that matter, everyone lived off the grid before there was a grid!

Gosh, how did they do it without the government... oh, even the government was off the grid!

What the hell is wrong with people nowadays?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39595739


Well, lets get rid of the grid, then. Ready to go without all your comforts? Some can, most can't.
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You don't need to have running water to flush a toilet. The video clearly shows her displaying water in the tank of her toilet.
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If there is city sewage and city water running in the street in front of the house, then code is set to insist on these basics for health reasons.

The basic idea is that they don't want people shitting in a hole in their back yard, instead they want the waste removed from the neighborhood, to a treatment facility where it gets treated.
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You can compost your own shit, turn it into humus, and use it in the garden. It doesn't have to go into a hole and is actually a resource.
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was it her home or was she squatting in someone elses? this is a big problem in florida now.
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In the vid it is clearly stated that she owns the home free and clear & that her property taxes are up to date.
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The Amish live off the grid & they have for decades.

They are left alone.
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If there is city sewage and city water running in the street in front of the house, then code is set to insist on these basics for health reasons.

The basic idea is that they don't want people shitting in a hole in their back yard, instead they want the waste removed from the neighborhood, to a treatment facility where it gets treated.

If you have water in the street in front of your property, housing density is most likely too high to support things like privies and septic tanks.


Similar laws are pretty much everywhere in the USA and industrialized nations. The problem is not one or two individuals living on a privy, the problem is that privies and leach lines (septic tanks) leach out their bio-wastes into the surrounding soils.

If she is on a privy (out house) then there is potential for airborne fecal based disease which the code is in place to protect everyone that lives around her.

The property is not being condemned because she lives off grid, its being condemned because it is most likely in violation of local health codes that protect her neighbors from her shit.

No doubt if she lived a bit away from town, on a street road without water main and sewers she could live pretty much as she pleases, because the local population density would be low enough to sustain her lifestyle.
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The 'basic' idea is federal reserve notes are not protected under the constitution and it is 'presumed' those were used to 'buy' the house ...
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She probably spends more money on propane, batteries and water than she would be spending on electricity and city water.

Why doesn't she just get the electricity and water hooked back up, but just not use it? She could use it when she wanted, or not.
 Quoting: Paige


We the People are supposed to have freedom of choice. She owns that home and who is she hurting? They posted what was basically a condemned sign without seeing inside the home.
 Quoting: ~~**lisa**~~


I think it's BS too. They have no authority to condemn a property just because it doesn't have electricity and/or water hooked up.
 Quoting: Paige


That depends on where you live. Municipalities have certain requirements before they will issue a homeowner a C.O. (Certificate of Occupancy) and be allowed to occupy a home. If it's not to code, they condemn the property.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27068907


This is very true.They can site sanitary issues,health concerns,etc..Wasn't very wise to make it public for the world to see if she was living this way.Gave them an open invitation to look into her living situation.Plus they will react because they don't want others to follow her idea.

I didnt check the actual story but if she lives in the middle of nowhere then its a lot different than living very close to neighbors and having to dispose of human waste.etc.
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If there is city sewage and city water running in the street in front of the house, then code is set to insist on these basics for health reasons.

The basic idea is that they don't want people shitting in a hole in their back yard, instead they want the waste removed from the neighborhood, to a treatment facility where it gets treated.

If you have water in the street in front of your property, housing density is most likely too high to support things like privies and septic tanks.


Similar laws are pretty much everywhere in the USA and industrialized nations. The problem is not one or two individuals living on a privy, the problem is that privies and leach lines (septic tanks) leach out their bio-wastes into the surrounding soils.

If she is on a privy (out house) then there is potential for airborne fecal based disease which the code is in place to protect everyone that lives around her.

The property is not being condemned because she lives off grid, its being condemned because it is most likely in violation of local health codes that protect her neighbors from her shit.

No doubt if she lived a bit away from town, on a street road without water main and sewers she could live pretty much as she pleases, because the local population density would be low enough to sustain her lifestyle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51427567


Oh, yeah? What about airborne doggie-poo, birdshit, alligator feces, etc. It's all about Agenda 21 control of all human activity. Your BS about codes and such is what we need to fight against. Government regulations cause more disease than they ever will prevent.
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If there is city sewage and city water running in the street in front of the house, then code is set to insist on these basics for health reasons.

The basic idea is that they don't want people shitting in a hole in their back yard, instead they want the waste removed from the neighborhood, to a treatment facility where it gets treated.

If you have water in the street in front of your property, housing density is most likely too high to support things like privies and septic tanks.


Similar laws are pretty much everywhere in the USA and industrialized nations. The problem is not one or two individuals living on a privy, the problem is that privies and leach lines (septic tanks) leach out their bio-wastes into the surrounding soils.

If she is on a privy (out house) then there is potential for airborne fecal based disease which the code is in place to protect everyone that lives around her.

The property is not being condemned because she lives off grid, its being condemned because it is most likely in violation of local health codes that protect her neighbors from her shit.

No doubt if she lived a bit away from town, on a street road without water main and sewers she could live pretty much as she pleases, because the local population density would be low enough to sustain her lifestyle.
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Thank you. Someone who is familiar with municipal codes speaks the truth. At the base of it all, health dept. considers you a health hazard, at baseline of most standards. (I do municipal zoning.)
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the meters are a network. Capture and study the traffic. I am surprised no one has transmitted bogus data. The incentive is free power.
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Or surprised at how much bogus data is being transmitted. Its not little pot growers either, but places like auto repair shops with electric kilns.
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the news reporters stated that the city inspector condemned
the property because the owner did not have electricity,
sewage, and water turned on.

this is what you get when you live in a city or town border.

the bureaucrats/inspectors are the real lords over you.
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So... what is her Sewage situation?
The city must have concerns where that goes. [not to mention her neighbors]
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If there is city sewage and city water running in the street in front of the house, then code is set to insist on these basics for health reasons.

The basic idea is that they don't want people shitting in a hole in their back yard, instead they want the waste removed from the neighborhood, to a treatment facility where it gets treated.

If you have water in the street in front of your property, housing density is most likely too high to support things like privies and septic tanks.


Similar laws are pretty much everywhere in the USA and industrialized nations. The problem is not one or two individuals living on a privy, the problem is that privies and leach lines (septic tanks) leach out their bio-wastes into the surrounding soils.

If she is on a privy (out house) then there is potential for airborne fecal based disease which the code is in place to protect everyone that lives around her.

The property is not being condemned because she lives off grid, its being condemned because it is most likely in violation of local health codes that protect her neighbors from her shit.

No doubt if she lived a bit away from town, on a street road without water main and sewers she could live pretty much as she pleases, because the local population density would be low enough to sustain her lifestyle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51427567


There are many devices, such as incinerating and composting toilets, that allow for proper sanitation without water. The codes generally enforce the state of the community 50 years behind the times.
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When you choose to live in the city, you choose to abide by the laws of such city. If you don't like it, move to the county where they usually have barely 5 ordinances. You can live off the grid, shit in the ground, eat the dirt, all you want in the county. That's why I live in the county, I can do whatever I want.
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A Fla. city is set to evict a widow for her unique lifestyle of “living off the grid.”

Robin Speronis told WFTX-TV that she was given an eviction notice after the station aired a story about how she chooses to live in a home without modern amenities, such as running water and electricity.
SNIP..

“I’m going to bring this to the attention of anyone who will listen until justice is served,” she said.


“Where is the justice? Why did they choose me,” she asked, “I was exercising my First Amendment rights of free speech in discussing living off the grid.”
SNIP..

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 Quoting: ~Christine~


I commented on living off the grids many time here. I have always said that it was not something You were able to do unless you were in some area that was remote and without services. It is actually breaching a number of statute laws. They dont want you to be self sufficient. In Sydney for example it was actually against the law to collect rain water off you roof and store it in a tank. Since then they were forced to change the legislation after major droughts. Further if you have the grid available you have to be connected to it you have no choice. You can make you own electricity but you you must be hooked up if you are going to live on the property it is the same with sewage. I guess it is easy to justify sewage because it prevents the spreading of deadly communicable diseases but electricity I just dont see their justification.
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I'm not off grid but most of my electric bills are under $20 a month.
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She probably spends more money on propane, batteries and water than she would be spending on electricity and city water.

Why doesn't she just get the electricity and water hooked back up, but just not use it? She could use it when she wanted, or not.
 Quoting: Paige


she's probably too proud. This is her own little "fuck you" to society.

Might not mean much to us but to her its her life, her money, her life.

More power to her, fuck the gov
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this, doubled.
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The basic premise is that you must conform to the system and support the infrastructure. If they let one person do it more will follow. The only way to live off the grid is to be homeless...... meaning that you can't have any money without giving some of it back.
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But, why did they single her out..? I'm sure there's alot of people out there just like her..


the meters are a network. Capture and study the traffic. I am surprised no one has transmitted bogus data. The incentive is free power.
 Quoting: Kirk


LOL...Now, that would be funny...someone sending them bogus data..
 Quoting: ~Christine~


Not only the meters. Flood ALL their databases with phony crap to leave them stepping and fetching. Turn their weapons against them.

I'm betting it's happened already. They don't know what's up, and considering most of the their useless "employees" are hired based on race, gender, or where they put their genitals over actual competence, it only compounds the mess.

This woman's mistake was speaking out. Lay low, folks, lest one of the watchers or minders finds you. Once their phony System collapses, these watchers and minders will be the first to get axed, perhaps literally.
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If there is city sewage and city water running in the street in front of the house, then code is set to insist on these basics for health reasons.

The basic idea is that they don't want people shitting in a hole in their back yard, instead they want the waste removed from the neighborhood, to a treatment facility where it gets treated.

If you have water in the street in front of your property, housing density is most likely too high to support things like privies and septic tanks.


Similar laws are pretty much everywhere in the USA and industrialized nations. The problem is not one or two individuals living on a privy, the problem is that privies and leach lines (septic tanks) leach out their bio-wastes into the surrounding soils.

If she is on a privy (out house) then there is potential for airborne fecal based disease which the code is in place to protect everyone that lives around her.

The property is not being condemned because she lives off grid, its being condemned because it is most likely in violation of local health codes that protect her neighbors from her shit.

No doubt if she lived a bit away from town, on a street road without water main and sewers she could live pretty much as she pleases, because the local population density would be low enough to sustain her lifestyle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51427567


There are many devices, such as incinerating and composting toilets, that allow for proper sanitation without water. The codes generally enforce the state of the community 50 years behind the times.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51513775


When you choose to live in the city, you choose to abide by the laws of such city. If you don't like it, move to the county where they usually have barely 5 ordinances. You can live off the grid, shit in the ground, eat the dirt, all you want in the county. That's why I live in the county, I can do whatever I want.
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I've got a fixer-upper in a small town. Ongoing project which is on the back burner since my work has picked up. I know the mayor, city workers...very easy people to work with. There are some EPA issues because of mine cleanup and I've had no problems there. State liaison on the environment stuff. Helpful people and the nosy-parker mindset is frowned upon and such busy-bodies are ostracized. It's the "other America" which doesn't get mainstream media coverage.
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sewers....folks got to have a sewer
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The revised BILL OF RIGHTS:

You have the right to make payments to your oligarchs.
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The revised BILL OF RIGHTS:

You have the right to make payments to your oligarchs.
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Much easier to remember with no irritating contradictions possible
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The revised BILL OF RIGHTS:

You have the right to make payments to your oligarchs.
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but you do not have the right to piss on the ground
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A Fla. city is set to evict a widow for her unique lifestyle of “living off the grid.”

Robin Speronis told WFTX-TV that she was given an eviction notice after the station aired a story about how she chooses to live in a home without modern amenities, such as running water and electricity.
SNIP..

“I’m going to bring this to the attention of anyone who will listen until justice is served,” she said.


“Where is the justice? Why did they choose me,” she asked, “I was exercising my First Amendment rights of free speech in discussing living off the grid.”
SNIP..

[link to www.theblaze.com]
 Quoting: ~Christine~


It's blatantly apparent to anyone with common sense that people are suppressing any form of technology that aids in environmental independence, even if it's ecological or even free energy based.

Not surprised at all, and it only gets worse.

If you wanna live 'off the grid' and get away from the suppression extensively you gotta have access to lots of good tech and have a knowledge on it too. Not everyone has this, worst part is - they don't even have food.

Let's see what's up in 10 years. How about 20? Whoulda thought of this 30 years ago, much less only 100. This censorship on self-substaining tech is engulfing the laws exponentially. :(

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