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ALL USA Target credit card transactions hacked from Black Friday to Dec 16

 
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Welp, that includes me. Heads up GLPers - if you purchased anything at Target from Black Friday to Dec 16 keep an eye on your banks accounts. If you used your PIN number they have that too!
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Target red card too?????

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locally I always use cash....
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Bitcoin to the rescue!
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Oh great.
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Target red card too?????

screwed
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They said credit card information was hacked into and if debit cards were used with PIN numbers the hackers will have access to the PIN numbers as well. Hackers used an NSA move on us. Bastards.

Btw I LOVE that pic!

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Thanks for the pin! hf

Definitely a reason to check our accounts to make sure money isn't missing!
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This is really out of control now. It isn't safe anymore to have money sitting in your bank account.

These guys rigged the actual Target credit card machines. They're trying to figure out how so many of them were hacked. It requires physically manipulating the machines. It sounds to me like they need to look into the manufacturer of the machines themselves.
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This is really out of control now. It isn't safe anymore to have money sitting in your bank account.

These guys rigged the actual Target credit card machines. They're trying to figure out how so many of them were hacked. It requires physically manipulating the machines. It sounds to me like they need to look into the manufacturer of the machines themselves.
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Good idea! They definitely pulled off a huge robbery!
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Hahahahaha serves them and their customers right
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Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well.
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expect less.
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Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well.
damned
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero


Does this mean the individual card swipe stations
at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them?
This was done at a higher level within the system?
I 'm not completely understanding this.
Thanks.
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OK, I got charges. Not sure if me/wife/them but fuckit, could be the hack. I am going to throw the challenge flag.
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Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well.
damned
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero


Does this mean the individual card swipe stations
at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them?
This was done at a higher level within the system?
I 'm not completely understanding this.
Thanks.
 Quoting: ancha


Target's card swipe stations are linked to (and controlled by) each register -- which the register itself controls the transaction -- not the card swipe machine. The card swipe machine just records the card information and then sends it to the register to complete the transaction. What I'm saying is that the registers themselves were hacked into -- again by some kind of worm or bot net that was planted into Target's network. Because of Windows vulnerabilities -- a worm or a bot net which targets (no pun intended) certain functions of the registers is a very real possibility. That's why again, I'm thinking that this operation may have had inside help -- because of the scale of the operation and also Web customers not being affected...
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I had made a purchase at the local Target during BF as well food items for the Thanksgiving dinner the wife had wanted me to pick up on the way home, i canceled my card this morning. No unusual charges had been made on mine yet though.
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Crap. I just shopped at Target yesterday for the first time in a year. I hope they closed down the vulnerability immediately after it was discovered. My card has had the number hacked twice over the years, and it is such a hassle to deal with.
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Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well.
damned
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero


Does this mean the individual card swipe stations
at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them?
This was done at a higher level within the system?
I 'm not completely understanding this.
Thanks.
 Quoting: ancha


Target's card swipe stations are linked to (and controlled by) each register -- which the register itself controls the transaction -- not the card swipe machine. The card swipe machine just records the card information and then sends it to the register to complete the transaction. What I'm saying is that the registers themselves were hacked into -- again by some kind of worm or bot net that was planted into Target's network. Because of Windows vulnerabilities -- a worm or a bot net which targets (no pun intended) certain functions of the registers is a very real possibility. That's why again, I'm thinking that this operation may have had inside help -- because of the scale of the operation and also Web customers not being affected...
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hmmm who might their biggest competitor be?
id bet money on wally world.they are extremely underhanded.
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Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well.
damned
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero


Does this mean the individual card swipe stations
at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them?
This was done at a higher level within the system?
I 'm not completely understanding this.
Thanks.
 Quoting: ancha


Target's card swipe stations are linked to (and controlled by) each register -- which the register itself controls the transaction -- not the card swipe machine. The card swipe machine just records the card information and then sends it to the register to complete the transaction. What I'm saying is that the registers themselves were hacked into -- again by some kind of worm or bot net that was planted into Target's network. Because of Windows vulnerabilities -- a worm or a bot net which targets (no pun intended) certain functions of the registers is a very real possibility. That's why again, I'm thinking that this operation may have had inside help -- because of the scale of the operation and also Web customers not being affected...
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero

Thank you for this.hf
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Target... fitting retail name for this...

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Re: ALL USA Target credit card transactions hacked from Black Friday to Dec 16
There was a report last night (no link but doesn't really matter) that the track data (the gibberish on the physical card itself) was accessed. Regardless if a real credit card, or co-branded debit card was used as debit/credit, this data is encrypted at the CC terminal and the POS is not able to decrypt it. The info is simply passed to the CC processor either through branded CC networks or one of the myriad debit networks for PIN debit transactions.

I can't for the life of me figure how, realistically, a hacker or even large group of "outside" hackers would pull it off to this scale or even want to at the end of the day. The only thing I can see is a group being backed by a government entity, or a government entity themselves could be behind this for some reason we'll probably never know.

My thoughts though to a more plausible idea is an individual or small group from within a credit card processor are responsible. These folks actually have access to individual transaction track data from any card, unencrypted. If they are offering a virtual POS environment as well (which man processors do) pretty much anyone outside of 1st level customer service can see full card numbers/CVV2's etc. within that system.

Either way outside of speculation the best thing anyone can do and SHOULD do at this point if you fall in to this category is simply call your card issuer and have another card issued to you. This can be done in person at most issuers same day.
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There was a report last night (no link but doesn't really matter) that the track data (the gibberish on the physical card itself) was accessed. Regardless if a real credit card, or co-branded debit card was used as debit/credit, this data is encrypted at the CC terminal and the POS is not able to decrypt it. The info is simply passed to the CC processor either through branded CC networks or one of the myriad debit networks for PIN debit transactions.

I can't for the life of me figure how, realistically, a hacker or even large group of "outside" hackers would pull it off to this scale or even want to at the end of the day. The only thing I can see is a group being backed by a government entity, or a government entity themselves could be behind this for some reason we'll probably never know.

My thoughts though to a more plausible idea is an individual or small group from within a credit card processor are responsible. These folks actually have access to individual transaction track data from any card, unencrypted. If they are offering a virtual POS environment as well (which man processors do) pretty much anyone outside of 1st level customer service can see full card numbers/CVV2's etc. within that system.

Either way outside of speculation the best thing anyone can do and SHOULD do at this point if you fall in to this category is simply call your card issuer and have another card issued to you. This can be done in person at most issuers same day.
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Something on this scale wouldn't include all "outside" work. There is definitely someone who quit/was fired from the processor POS company, who either passed on information to a group, or was involved in the "hack," which at this point would be dubbed scam.

There's always a massive degree of social engineering used in these types of ordeals, and most likely you would have to have some sort of inside access to a datacenter.
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[link to www.cbsnews.com]

Welp, that includes me. Heads up GLPers - if you purchased anything at Target from Black Friday to Dec 16 keep an eye on your banks accounts. If you used your PIN number they have that too!
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Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well.
damned
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero


Does this mean the individual card swipe stations
at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them?
This was done at a higher level within the system?
I 'm not completely understanding this.
Thanks.
 Quoting: ancha


Target's card swipe stations are linked to (and controlled by) each register -- which the register itself controls the transaction -- not the card swipe machine. The card swipe machine just records the card information and then sends it to the register to complete the transaction. What I'm saying is that the registers themselves were hacked into -- again by some kind of worm or bot net that was planted into Target's network. Because of Windows vulnerabilities -- a worm or a bot net which targets (no pun intended) certain functions of the registers is a very real possibility. That's why again, I'm thinking that this operation may have had inside help -- because of the scale of the operation and also Web customers not being affected...
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero


hmmm who might their biggest competitor be?
id bet money on wally world.they are extremely underhanded.
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Yep, agreed -- it's not beyond the realm of possibility. I do know that Target hates Walmart with a passion and I assume likewise with Walmart. Heck, things are so crazy these days -- it wouldn't surprise me at all if Walmart tried to take Target down...
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locally I always use cash....
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That sounds like terrorist talk to me... Better forward this one to the bosses.
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Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well.
damned
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero


Does this mean the individual card swipe stations
at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them?

This was done at a higher level within the system?
I 'm not completely understanding this.
Thanks.
 Quoting: ancha


They all had something built into them! It's called MADE IN CHINA!
schemingSwipe Stations Designed by Chinese's Gov Hackers!hmm
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Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well.
damned
 Quoting: kingbirdfivezero


Does this mean the individual card swipe stations
at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them?

This was done at a higher level within the system?
I 'm not completely understanding this.
Thanks.
 Quoting: ancha


They all had something built into them! It's called MADE IN CHINA!
schemingSwipe Stations Designed by Chinese's Gov Hackers!hmm
 Quoting: snowgoosebob


^^^ this...lol.ohyeah
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Welp, that includes me. Heads up GLPers - if you purchased anything at Target from Black Friday to Dec 16 keep an eye on your banks accounts. If you used your PIN number they have that too!
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Glad I don't shop at Target
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