ALL USA Target credit card transactions hacked from Black Friday to Dec 16 | |
SW Fla Pirate
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Listen_n
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Listen_n
(OP) User ID: 20805757 United States 12/19/2013 05:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They said credit card information was hacked into and if debit cards were used with PIN numbers the hackers will have access to the PIN numbers as well. Hackers used an NSA move on us. Bastards. Btw I LOVE that pic! Last Edited by Listen_n on 12/19/2013 05:46 AM If we don't listen we will never hear the truth |
Listen_n
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50985453 Canada 12/19/2013 07:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is really out of control now. It isn't safe anymore to have money sitting in your bank account. These guys rigged the actual Target credit card machines. They're trying to figure out how so many of them were hacked. It requires physically manipulating the machines. It sounds to me like they need to look into the manufacturer of the machines themselves. |
Listen_n
(OP) User ID: 20805757 United States 12/19/2013 07:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is really out of control now. It isn't safe anymore to have money sitting in your bank account. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50985453 These guys rigged the actual Target credit card machines. They're trying to figure out how so many of them were hacked. It requires physically manipulating the machines. It sounds to me like they need to look into the manufacturer of the machines themselves. Good idea! They definitely pulled off a huge robbery! If we don't listen we will never hear the truth |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43646653 United States 12/19/2013 07:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
kingbirdfivezero
User ID: 47347927 United States 12/19/2013 07:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well. Last Edited by kingbirdfivezero on 12/19/2013 07:48 AM |
armouredkitten
User ID: 49099850 United States 12/19/2013 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26165384 United States 12/19/2013 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well. Quoting: kingbirdfivezero Does this mean the individual card swipe stations at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them? This was done at a higher level within the system? I 'm not completely understanding this. Thanks. |
Brown Chicken Brown Cow
User ID: 50686740 United States 12/19/2013 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
kingbirdfivezero
User ID: 47347927 United States 12/19/2013 09:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well. Quoting: kingbirdfivezero Does this mean the individual card swipe stations at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them? This was done at a higher level within the system? I 'm not completely understanding this. Thanks. Target's card swipe stations are linked to (and controlled by) each register -- which the register itself controls the transaction -- not the card swipe machine. The card swipe machine just records the card information and then sends it to the register to complete the transaction. What I'm saying is that the registers themselves were hacked into -- again by some kind of worm or bot net that was planted into Target's network. Because of Windows vulnerabilities -- a worm or a bot net which targets (no pun intended) certain functions of the registers is a very real possibility. That's why again, I'm thinking that this operation may have had inside help -- because of the scale of the operation and also Web customers not being affected... |
eolian
User ID: 49546869 United States 12/19/2013 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had made a purchase at the local Target during BF as well food items for the Thanksgiving dinner the wife had wanted me to pick up on the way home, i canceled my card this morning. No unusual charges had been made on mine yet though. |
oh_yikes
User ID: 51515778 United States 12/19/2013 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Crap. I just shopped at Target yesterday for the first time in a year. I hope they closed down the vulnerability immediately after it was discovered. My card has had the number hacked twice over the years, and it is such a hassle to deal with. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51583376 United States 12/19/2013 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well. Quoting: kingbirdfivezero Does this mean the individual card swipe stations at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them? This was done at a higher level within the system? I 'm not completely understanding this. Thanks. Target's card swipe stations are linked to (and controlled by) each register -- which the register itself controls the transaction -- not the card swipe machine. The card swipe machine just records the card information and then sends it to the register to complete the transaction. What I'm saying is that the registers themselves were hacked into -- again by some kind of worm or bot net that was planted into Target's network. Because of Windows vulnerabilities -- a worm or a bot net which targets (no pun intended) certain functions of the registers is a very real possibility. That's why again, I'm thinking that this operation may have had inside help -- because of the scale of the operation and also Web customers not being affected... hmmm who might their biggest competitor be? id bet money on wally world.they are extremely underhanded. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26165384 United States 12/19/2013 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well. Quoting: kingbirdfivezero Does this mean the individual card swipe stations at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them? This was done at a higher level within the system? I 'm not completely understanding this. Thanks. Target's card swipe stations are linked to (and controlled by) each register -- which the register itself controls the transaction -- not the card swipe machine. The card swipe machine just records the card information and then sends it to the register to complete the transaction. What I'm saying is that the registers themselves were hacked into -- again by some kind of worm or bot net that was planted into Target's network. Because of Windows vulnerabilities -- a worm or a bot net which targets (no pun intended) certain functions of the registers is a very real possibility. That's why again, I'm thinking that this operation may have had inside help -- because of the scale of the operation and also Web customers not being affected... Thank you for this. |
Dr. Acula
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 51586964 France 12/19/2013 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was a report last night (no link but doesn't really matter) that the track data (the gibberish on the physical card itself) was accessed. Regardless if a real credit card, or co-branded debit card was used as debit/credit, this data is encrypted at the CC terminal and the POS is not able to decrypt it. The info is simply passed to the CC processor either through branded CC networks or one of the myriad debit networks for PIN debit transactions. I can't for the life of me figure how, realistically, a hacker or even large group of "outside" hackers would pull it off to this scale or even want to at the end of the day. The only thing I can see is a group being backed by a government entity, or a government entity themselves could be behind this for some reason we'll probably never know. My thoughts though to a more plausible idea is an individual or small group from within a credit card processor are responsible. These folks actually have access to individual transaction track data from any card, unencrypted. If they are offering a virtual POS environment as well (which man processors do) pretty much anyone outside of 1st level customer service can see full card numbers/CVV2's etc. within that system. Either way outside of speculation the best thing anyone can do and SHOULD do at this point if you fall in to this category is simply call your card issuer and have another card issued to you. This can be done in person at most issuers same day. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27162223 United States 12/19/2013 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43577162 United States 12/19/2013 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was a report last night (no link but doesn't really matter) that the track data (the gibberish on the physical card itself) was accessed. Regardless if a real credit card, or co-branded debit card was used as debit/credit, this data is encrypted at the CC terminal and the POS is not able to decrypt it. The info is simply passed to the CC processor either through branded CC networks or one of the myriad debit networks for PIN debit transactions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51586964 I can't for the life of me figure how, realistically, a hacker or even large group of "outside" hackers would pull it off to this scale or even want to at the end of the day. The only thing I can see is a group being backed by a government entity, or a government entity themselves could be behind this for some reason we'll probably never know. My thoughts though to a more plausible idea is an individual or small group from within a credit card processor are responsible. These folks actually have access to individual transaction track data from any card, unencrypted. If they are offering a virtual POS environment as well (which man processors do) pretty much anyone outside of 1st level customer service can see full card numbers/CVV2's etc. within that system. Either way outside of speculation the best thing anyone can do and SHOULD do at this point if you fall in to this category is simply call your card issuer and have another card issued to you. This can be done in person at most issuers same day. Something on this scale wouldn't include all "outside" work. There is definitely someone who quit/was fired from the processor POS company, who either passed on information to a group, or was involved in the "hack," which at this point would be dubbed scam. There's always a massive degree of social engineering used in these types of ordeals, and most likely you would have to have some sort of inside access to a datacenter. |
WinterStone
User ID: 47024294 United States 12/19/2013 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.cbsnews.com] Quoting: Listen_n Welp, that includes me. Heads up GLPers - if you purchased anything at Target from Black Friday to Dec 16 keep an eye on your banks accounts. If you used your PIN number they have that too! It's the "name" they want published in the media. TARGET The TARGET is YOU, the people!!!.. Last Edited by WinterStone on 12/19/2013 10:38 AM |
kingbirdfivezero
User ID: 47347927 United States 12/19/2013 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well. Quoting: kingbirdfivezero Does this mean the individual card swipe stations at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them? This was done at a higher level within the system? I 'm not completely understanding this. Thanks. Target's card swipe stations are linked to (and controlled by) each register -- which the register itself controls the transaction -- not the card swipe machine. The card swipe machine just records the card information and then sends it to the register to complete the transaction. What I'm saying is that the registers themselves were hacked into -- again by some kind of worm or bot net that was planted into Target's network. Because of Windows vulnerabilities -- a worm or a bot net which targets (no pun intended) certain functions of the registers is a very real possibility. That's why again, I'm thinking that this operation may have had inside help -- because of the scale of the operation and also Web customers not being affected... hmmm who might their biggest competitor be? id bet money on wally world.they are extremely underhanded. Yep, agreed -- it's not beyond the realm of possibility. I do know that Target hates Walmart with a passion and I assume likewise with Walmart. Heck, things are so crazy these days -- it wouldn't surprise me at all if Walmart tried to take Target down... |
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snowgoosebob
User ID: 19657578 United States 12/19/2013 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well. Quoting: kingbirdfivezero Does this mean the individual card swipe stations at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them? This was done at a higher level within the system? I 'm not completely understanding this. Thanks. They all had something built into them! It's called MADE IN CHINA! Swipe Stations Designed by Chinese's Gov Hackers! |
kingbirdfivezero
User ID: 47347927 United States 12/19/2013 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kinda easy to see how this could happen. The point of sales systems (registers) at Target use Windows 7 as their operating system. So the hackers probably planted a worm or something into Target's systems that told the registers to capture all card information from the card swipe machines. I'm not saying it's easy to do but it can happen. I also think that it might be an inside job because of what happened and the fact that Web customers were not affected. Anyway, it's not just customers affected -- but their employees as well. Quoting: kingbirdfivezero Does this mean the individual card swipe stations at the individual Target's did not have something loaded on them? This was done at a higher level within the system? I 'm not completely understanding this. Thanks. They all had something built into them! It's called MADE IN CHINA! Swipe Stations Designed by Chinese's Gov Hackers! ^^^ this...lol. |
sunspotkiller
User ID: 1332188 United States 12/19/2013 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.cbsnews.com] Quoting: Listen_n Welp, that includes me. Heads up GLPers - if you purchased anything at Target from Black Friday to Dec 16 keep an eye on your banks accounts. If you used your PIN number they have that too! Glad I don't shop at Target sunspotkiller When you judge someone else, It doesn't define who they are, It defines who you are. Be love! “Kind words do not cost much. Yet they accomplish much.” |