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Kirk
 User ID: 46623222  United States01/04/2014 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not trying to fuel racism here but on our local tv station, the Good shepherd center was giving out Christmas meals and free toys to the needy. Guess who showed up on the newscast? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52470901 It was all turbanite families. Just the people who don't want Christmas! Hypocrites. you expected logic? Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
| Kirk
User ID: 46623222 United States01/04/2014 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop making these kinds of issue a matter of right versus left. It is about following the LAW. It is about the fact that America is NOT a christian nation. Get over it. That is what you are trying to make it. Most of the founding fathers were Christian and incorporated God in all their writings. To argue otherwise would require complete ignorance of their work. Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
| Doomamatrix
(OP) User ID: 47006850 United States01/04/2014 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop making these kinds of issue a matter of right versus left. It is about following the LAW. It is about the fact that America is NOT a christian nation. Get over it. That is what you are trying to make it. Most of the founding fathers were Christian and incorporated God in all their writings. To argue otherwise would require complete ignorance of their work. You expected them to be logical? Obamacare: Never has so much been taken away from so many for so few. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51465818  United Kingdom01/04/2014 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's impossible to say one way or another. Either way shitty humans exist. I'm not particularly religious, but seeing a nativity scene wouldn't irk me one bit, nor would I wish to see it removed. As someone once said, it "neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." I don't think it's impossible to say either way. Religion is single-handedly the prime motivating factor responsible for more deaths, abuse, torture and war in this world than I care to list. Not to mention all the hate, the arguments, the tearing apart of families and friends, and the dividing of mankind throughout the world. I rest my case your honor. Supposedly Thomas Jefferson wrote something along those lines, too, interestingly. Jefferson's view on religion and Christianity is very interesting. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52472995 United States01/04/2014 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Freedom of religion isn't enough for Christians, they also need to display it on public buildings, broadcast it on public airways, pray in public events, etc. etc. If you try to get them to back off just a little so the rest of us don't have to see and hear their nonsense everywhere they throw a fit like they are getting their heads chopped off. Why they can't do their praying in private like their God told them to is beyond me. STFU already and leave us logical people with an environment that isn't dominated by crazy invisible fantasy crap. |
| MidnightAssassin
User ID: 50488077 United States01/04/2014 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop making these kinds of issue a matter of right versus left. It is about following the LAW. It is about the fact that America is NOT a christian nation. Get over it. That is what you are trying to make it. Most of the founding fathers were Christian and incorporated God in all their writings. To argue otherwise would require complete ignorance of their work. Yes like Jefferson who created his own version of the Bible minus all the magic, miracles, and supernatural bullshit. The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams. "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics, a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's." ("Mark Twain in Eruption") |
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| Creepy-Ass Cracker
User ID: 16394957 United States01/04/2014 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How? And please think your answer through, not a rehash of "Imagine". There's a man in a white house with blood on his mouth! If there's Knaves in the North, there are braves in the South. We are three thousand horses, and not one afraid; We are three thousand sabres and not a dull blade. :78g: |
| Creepy-Ass Cracker
User ID: 16394957 United States01/04/2014 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Freedom of religion isn't enough for Christians, they also need to display it on public buildings, broadcast it on public airways, pray in public events, etc. etc. If you try to get them to back off just a little so the rest of us don't have to see and hear their nonsense everywhere they throw a fit like they are getting their heads chopped off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52472995 Why they can't do their praying in private like their God told them to is beyond me. STFU already and leave us logical people with an environment that isn't dominated by crazy invisible fantasy crap. There are more Christians than unbelievers, you might want to remember that, because we tolerate you, and, by being an overbearing, arrogant, loudmouthed minority, you could change that situation for the worse. There's a man in a white house with blood on his mouth! If there's Knaves in the North, there are braves in the South. We are three thousand horses, and not one afraid; We are three thousand sabres and not a dull blade. :78g: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51096038 United States01/04/2014 09:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51436674 United States01/04/2014 09:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think it's impossible to say either way. Religion is single-handedly the prime motivating factor responsible for more deaths, abuse, torture and war in this world than I care to list. You think? Consider this bit of WWI history. "The Christmas truce was a series of widespread, unofficial ceasefires that took place along the Western Front around Christmas 1914, during World War I. Through the week leading up to Christmas, parties of German and British soldiers began to exchange seasonal greetings and songs between their trenches; on occasion, the tension was reduced to the point that individuals would walk across to talk to their opposite numbers bearing gifts. On Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, many soldiers from both sides—as well as, to a lesser degree, from French units—independently ventured into "no man's land", where they mingled, exchanging food and souvenirs. As well as joint burial ceremonies, several meetings ended in carol-singing. Troops from both sides were also friendly enough to play games of football with one another." What does this suggest? It suggests to me that Christianity could have unified Europe and America as Christian brothers if it wasn't for the machinations of high finance which benefited economically from brothers killing brothers. And yet, even after all the war propaganda and killing, Christian brotherhood still rose in the darkest hour. I doubt a "Christmas Truce" could happen today. Because Christianity like this has been nearly wiped out. Instead, too many atheists, agnostics and self-hating Christians. But the story does challenge your simplistic claim about religion. |
| Moraniac
Clinging to my guns and Bibles User ID: 36729103 United States01/04/2014 09:41 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51436674 United States01/04/2014 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Freedom of religion isn't enough for Christians, they also need to display it on public buildings, broadcast it on public airways, pray in public events, etc. etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52472995 Oh, you mean compared to all the demonic, neo-pagan, pornographic crap that is non-stopped broadcasted into our airways, media and Internet? I got an idea. Keep your tongue -hanging, a** twerking Miley Cyrus in an adult-only nightclubs and away from children and I'd be happy to support less Christian proselytizing. What we have here is a spiritual war for the human soul. The basic problem is I believe I have a soul made in the image of God, and you don't want one, and don't want anyone to have one. |
| anonimalle
User ID: 40925782 United States01/04/2014 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My take on these things happening are the Islamic influence going on in this country. Last Edited by Que Sera Sera on 01/04/2014 09:54 PM Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
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| MidnightAssassin
User ID: 50488077 United States01/04/2014 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why? It won't matter what answer I give you. The fact that you're a defender of religion means any answer I provide you will be immediately deemed worthless because of your pro-religious bias. It would be easier to get a chain smoking alcoholic heroin addict to give up all his addictions than to get a strong held religious thinking person to give up his addictive viewpoints about God and religion. It's just another example of one of the many ways man has found to separate from itself. If you honestly and genuinely believe religion is a good thing and doesn't cause more harm than good, it's not really because you think that - it's because you've been wired to believe that. "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics, a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's." ("Mark Twain in Eruption") |
| Pa resident1
User ID: 46929826 United States01/04/2014 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.baxterbulletin.com] Quoting: Doomamatrix Baxter County, the city of Mountain Home and a local law firm all are in a Washington D.C. law firm’s crosshairs for their role in the erection of a Christmas nativity scene, or crèche, on the courthouse lawn. A letter dated Jan. 1 from the Appignani Humanist Legal Center is copied to Baxter County Judge Mickey Pendergrass, Mountain Home Mayor David Osmon and Mountain Home attorney F.S. “Rick” Spencer. The letter is written on behalf of a Baxter County resident who has alerted Appignani Humanist Legal Center to the county’s crèche, which is prominently displayed on the front lawn of the Baxter County Courthouse, according to Monica Miller, the author of the letter for the legal center. “For about 15 years, the county has featured an exclusively Christian nativity scene in front of its courthouse during the holiday season. Religious (specifically Christian) elements overwhelmingly dominate the display, thus violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution,” Miller wrote. Following a meticulous description of items in the nativity scene, with explanations of the religious or Christmas connotations of each, Miller writes: “We hereby demand that the county promptly remove it and provide assurances that no similar display will be erected in the future.” more at above link Sheesh. Not again. One town in PA used to set up nativity scenes every year for many many many years until a bunch of cry babies began complaining. Well then the nativity scenes were banned. I know there is a movement to get them back (hoping they get this reversed). One thing that is great in this country is freedom of religion. But to start banning nativity scenes? Give me a break. This is bull shit, and must stop as it is infringing on religious freedom of the constitution. The constitution rules, cry babies don't. Last Edited by Pa resident1 on 01/04/2014 10:26 PM "When you don't keep your word, you lose credibility and trustworthy friends" |
| MidnightAssassin
User ID: 50488077 United States01/04/2014 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.baxterbulletin.com] Quoting: Doomamatrix Baxter County, the city of Mountain Home and a local law firm all are in a Washington D.C. law firm’s crosshairs for their role in the erection of a Christmas nativity scene, or crèche, on the courthouse lawn. A letter dated Jan. 1 from the Appignani Humanist Legal Center is copied to Baxter County Judge Mickey Pendergrass, Mountain Home Mayor David Osmon and Mountain Home attorney F.S. “Rick” Spencer. The letter is written on behalf of a Baxter County resident who has alerted Appignani Humanist Legal Center to the county’s crèche, which is prominently displayed on the front lawn of the Baxter County Courthouse, according to Monica Miller, the author of the letter for the legal center. “For about 15 years, the county has featured an exclusively Christian nativity scene in front of its courthouse during the holiday season. Religious (specifically Christian) elements overwhelmingly dominate the display, thus violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution,” Miller wrote. Following a meticulous description of items in the nativity scene, with explanations of the religious or Christmas connotations of each, Miller writes: “We hereby demand that the county promptly remove it and provide assurances that no similar display will be erected in the future.” more at above link Sheesh. Not again. One town in PA used to set up nativity scenes every year for many many many years until a bunch of cry babies began complaining. Well then the nativity scenes were banned. I know there is a movement to get them back (hoping they get this reversed). One thing that is great in this country is freedom of religion. But to start banning nativity scenes? Give me a break. This is bull shit, and must stop as it is infringing on religious freedom of the constitution. The constitution rules, cry babies don't. What are your thoughts about this? Oklahoma lawmakers: No Satanist monument because ‘this is a faith-based state’ More here: [link to www.rawstory.com] "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics, a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's." ("Mark Twain in Eruption") |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32337439 United States01/04/2014 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51436674 United States01/04/2014 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How? And please think your answer through, not a rehash of "Imagine". Why? It won't matter what answer I give you. The fact that you're a defender of religion means any answer I provide you will be immediately deemed worthless because of your pro-religious bias. Pro-religious bias? Tell me why it is preferable to think of my child as a soul-less piece of meat in a meaningless world of chance and natural selection, where even my love for my child can be explained away as nothing but brain functions? You can't tell me, because you don't believe the crap you want to sell other people. If you acted consistent with your beliefs you'd be a sociopath, or worse. That's why religion is preferable. |
| Eggcellent
Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 49121629 United States01/04/2014 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There probably WEREN'T any Lefties in the area when this all started. You know, they need time to overcome their revulsion at having to mix with the rednecks....I guess they can hold their noses long enough to start a darned court case though, huh? "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52370359 United States01/04/2014 11:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52459954 United States01/04/2014 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's about time that someone reads the establishment clause to the supreme court. It very clearly states that the government shall make no law to establish a religion. It doesn't say a fucking word about the separation of church and state. The only mention "separation of church and state" by the founders was in a letter (I think it was written by Madison, but I could be wrong) that was about keeping the government out of the church, not the other way around. All the founders were very clear about where the values they tried to ensure came from. Contrary to the progressive bullshit being passed around today, the founders were all very religious. I am not a very religious person, I do know that America would be a very different place without the Judeo-Christian values the founders gave us in our founding documents. It is time for America to return to the Constitutional government that served us so well for the first 150 years. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy That was Thomas Jefferson to whom you are referring, and you are absolutely, 100% correct; there is ZERO phrase(s) in the US Constitution relating to "Separation of Church and State". This is a phrase that the uneducated pick up from their betters, and parrot to and hold over the heads of those who are even less educated in order to pursue their agenda. For the last thirty or so years, it has worked. It has worked so well that many believe it to be so, however, not one of those repeating the phrase (from either side) could be bothered to simply READ their Constitution. And we wonder why we're in such a damned mess. ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ & ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ DITTO |
| TunafishSammiches
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| Frayed Knot
User ID: 35406953 United States01/04/2014 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop making these kinds of issue a matter of right versus left. It is about following the LAW. It is about the fact that America is NOT a christian nation. Get over it. Bullshit. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; The law does not forbid the government displaying religious symbolism. It only forbids them enforcing a state religion or making practicing one's religion (within the confines of the law) illegal. Get over it. I have long feared that my sins would return to visit me, and the cost is more than I can bear. - The Patriot |
| Eggcellent
Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 49121629 United States01/04/2014 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just replace Mary with a male figure and then they will praise it for its diversity!!! Quoting: chuckles45  Or put a little black baby doll in the manger. Or cover a bald-headed Mary with tattoos and nose rings. Or put Joseph into a purple-sequined tutu. "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52255600  France01/04/2014 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.baxterbulletin.com] Quoting: Doomamatrix Baxter County, the city of Mountain Home and a local law firm all are in a Washington D.C. law firm’s crosshairs for their role in the erection of a Christmas nativity scene, or crèche, on the courthouse lawn. A letter dated Jan. 1 from the Appignani Humanist Legal Center is copied to Baxter County Judge Mickey Pendergrass, Mountain Home Mayor David Osmon and Mountain Home attorney F.S. “Rick” Spencer. The letter is written on behalf of a Baxter County resident who has alerted Appignani Humanist Legal Center to the county’s crèche, which is prominently displayed on the front lawn of the Baxter County Courthouse, according to Monica Miller, the author of the letter for the legal center. “For about 15 years, the county has featured an exclusively Christian nativity scene in front of its courthouse during the holiday season. Religious (specifically Christian) elements overwhelmingly dominate the display, thus violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution,” Miller wrote. Following a meticulous description of items in the nativity scene, with explanations of the religious or Christmas connotations of each, Miller writes: “We hereby demand that the county promptly remove it and provide assurances that no similar display will be erected in the future.” more at above link Atheists HATE DIVERSITY. They're BIGOTS!! |
| MidnightAssassin
User ID: 50488077 United States01/04/2014 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How? And please think your answer through, not a rehash of "Imagine". Why? It won't matter what answer I give you. The fact that you're a defender of religion means any answer I provide you will be immediately deemed worthless because of your pro-religious bias. Pro-religious bias? Tell me why it is preferable to think of my child as a soul-less piece of meat in a meaningless world of chance and natural selection, where even my love for my child can be explained away as nothing but brain functions? You can't tell me, because you don't believe the crap you want to sell other people. If you acted consistent with your beliefs you'd be a sociopath, or worse. That's why religion is preferable. You have zero idea what I believe and everything you think you know about what I believe is a lovely display of your arrogance. I don't care if you find it preferable to believe in a man-made fairy tale that makes you feel like you and the life you live is worth something special - that's your ego. If you only knew how to rid yourself of that ego, which also a made up thing, you'd be well on your way to understanding the true nature of reality. But the fact remains that you only want to believe that which makes you feel like your existence has a meaning in this world. You would prefer to take the drug called religion so you can continue to exist willfully and happily ignorant in an illusion that doesn't exist except within the confides of your own deluded mind. Last Edited by MidnightAssassin on 01/04/2014 11:58 PM "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics, a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's." ("Mark Twain in Eruption") |
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