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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33772786  Australia01/14/2014 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Nine's
 User ID: 51681086  United States01/14/2014 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11181373 Forgot to mention if it did explode or catch fire that the autoignition temp will be 545F After googling and reading about autoignition, if I understood correctly, it looks like the chance of spontaneous combustion isn't likey, but it's very likely if it has a source of ignition, like pilot light or match, correct? That is correct. The vapour and substance itself will basically explode into a bright blue flame if you add heat to it or a flame near. So boiling a pot of this water is a sure fire way to have it explode right into your face. here is another part of that page you might wanna basically apply to your home "No smoking. Keep container tightly closed in a dry and well - ventilated place. Containers which are opened must be carefully resealed and kept upright to prevent leakage. Observe label precautions. Electrical installations / working materials must comply with the technological safety standards" You should test it. Go fill up a cup of water from whomever you think is effected pour it into a clay pot (or something that can handle nearly 600 degreesF) and then basically tie a match to a stick and from a distance find out. If the cup explodes into little chunks you have a nearly 90% contamination. If the thing bursts into blue flames expect a 60-80% (again my chemistry training is a little dated) I'm not in that area now, but if I were, I'd certainly do what you suggest. There are over 300,000 people affected by this right now. The Ohio River flows through several states with a potential for many more people to be affected. Not only the Ohio, but it's tributaries, which are listed here: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Just doesn't seem they're giving this the importance it deserves. Thanks a lot. Appreciate all your information. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11181373  Canada01/14/2014 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Nine's After googling and reading about autoignition, if I understood correctly, it looks like the chance of spontaneous combustion isn't likey, but it's very likely if it has a source of ignition, like pilot light or match, correct? That is correct. The vapour and substance itself will basically explode into a bright blue flame if you add heat to it or a flame near. So boiling a pot of this water is a sure fire way to have it explode right into your face. here is another part of that page you might wanna basically apply to your home "No smoking. Keep container tightly closed in a dry and well - ventilated place. Containers which are opened must be carefully resealed and kept upright to prevent leakage. Observe label precautions. Electrical installations / working materials must comply with the technological safety standards" You should test it. Go fill up a cup of water from whomever you think is effected pour it into a clay pot (or something that can handle nearly 600 degreesF) and then basically tie a match to a stick and from a distance find out. If the cup explodes into little chunks you have a nearly 90% contamination. If the thing bursts into blue flames expect a 60-80% (again my chemistry training is a little dated) I'm not in that area now, but if I were, I'd certainly do what you suggest. There are over 300,000 people affected by this right now. The Ohio River flows through several states with a potential for many more people to be affected. Not only the Ohio, but it's tributaries, which are listed here: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Just doesn't seem they're giving this the importance it deserves. Thanks a lot. Appreciate all your information. bureaucracy. I know exactly how to handle this mess. You need at least a bunch of hazmat filter trucks (think of super reverse osmosis on steroids) and if the river filters into a large cistern (to be collected and distributed to the locals). you then take said trucks and basically use them as giant filters as long as neccesary until clean up crews can test the up stream flow and determine levels accordingly. If i was a licensed enginner i know how to fix it, but they wont front the cost or risk the trucks being dead by the time were done basically shoving the entire river through. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51047733 United States01/14/2014 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | do you know if WATER DISTILLER system would help you? the system I use has a pre-filter and a after-filter... I feel pretty safe with it but I'm looking for actual experienced or knowledgeable answers.. thanks |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11181373 Canada01/14/2014 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Questions for the one affecting reading this tread.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51047733 do you know if WATER DISTILLER system would help you? the system I use has a pre-filter and a after-filter... I feel pretty safe with it but I'm looking for actual experienced or knowledgeable answers.. thanks If its reverse osmosis, run water into a cup go outside and try to light it. if it explodes the cup your water is contaminated, if it goes blue your water is around 40-60% contaminated (too dangerous to drink). I was looking at that chemical sheet and basically the chemical is heavily flameable potentially explosive if contained within a space (like pipes and tanks). Also if you run that test and nothing happens at all your filter is most likely a reverse osmosis. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51047733 United States01/14/2014 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Questions for the one affecting reading this tread.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51047733 do you know if WATER DISTILLER system would help you? the system I use has a pre-filter and a after-filter... I feel pretty safe with it but I'm looking for actual experienced or knowledgeable answers.. thanks If its reverse osmosis, run water into a cup go outside and try to light it. if it explodes the cup your water is contaminated, if it goes blue your water is around 40-60% contaminated (too dangerous to drink). I was looking at that chemical sheet and basically the chemical is heavily flameable potentially explosive if contained within a space (like pipes and tanks). Also if you run that test and nothing happens at all your filter is most likely a reverse osmosis. Nom but I think you do not know the difference... RA system is just filtering thru charcol type systems..., DESTILLER boils the water after being filter first creating DETILL water....002 or so part per million debree.. However you suggestion to LIGHT IT is valid... ha ha Thanks... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11181373 Canada01/14/2014 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Questions for the one affecting reading this tread.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51047733 do you know if WATER DISTILLER system would help you? the system I use has a pre-filter and a after-filter... I feel pretty safe with it but I'm looking for actual experienced or knowledgeable answers.. thanks If its reverse osmosis, run water into a cup go outside and try to light it. if it explodes the cup your water is contaminated, if it goes blue your water is around 40-60% contaminated (too dangerous to drink). I was looking at that chemical sheet and basically the chemical is heavily flameable potentially explosive if contained within a space (like pipes and tanks). Also if you run that test and nothing happens at all your filter is most likely a reverse osmosis. Nom but I think you do not know the difference... RA system is just filtering thru charcol type systems..., DESTILLER boils the water after being filter first creating DETILL water....002 or so part per million debree.. However you suggestion to LIGHT IT is valid... ha ha Thanks... I know the difference, your system wont mean anything really. That 002 ppm is not actually the truth as the tester only tests specfic chemicals (typically the kind in tap water) in reality what is happening is you're filtering out the sodium, and other impurties but Methylcyclohexane still remains because only a reverse Osmosis membrane can catch this chemical and allow the pure water to pass through. Also beware its flashpoint is only 22F meaning if you boil it and it is contaimed you might blow your filter. This chemical aint no joke. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26165384 United States01/14/2014 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To those with chemical knowledge, what will this chemical do, as it travels downstream? Does it ever become diluted to the point of being harmless? Ohio eventually goes into the Wabash, ( I think) which flows into the Mississippi, which leads to the GULF. From our Bayou Corne threads we know there is lots of methane there. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 51047733 United States01/14/2014 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thank for responding.... IS Methylcyclohexane a gas???? If so, that's the reason to have a post FILTER.... I would assume that it clears it. As far as the tester, it is generic and searchs for all types stuff.... If I test TAP water in my system I get 400 PPM junk, then I test Charcoal filtered water and is DOWN to 180 PPM but the water I consume is always less that 003 PPM... I'm very concern about Water fluoridation that the only way I can get it out.... I thought?? ha ha |
| Steel Noggin
User ID: 4895363 United States01/14/2014 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do all firemen want everyone to know they are firemen? License plates, stickers, every shirt they own, nicknames on forums. Its a job Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47262350 Haha.. That's a good question. If people didn't know me they would never know that I'm a fireman, other than this screen name that i made on a whim xx years ago. Most people that have their cars covered with stickers, sirens, lights..etc are volunteers. They LOVE everything about the fire service. So much so that they do it for free! I'm a college grad that never had any intentions of being a fireman. I just happened to do well on a civil service test that my mom picked up for me 20 years ago while I was in college.i'm really thankful that she did because it's worked out for the best for me and my daughter. I always made fun of the type you're describing lol. I guess we need those types, and I certainly wish I loved the job as much as they do. I'm simply "thankful" for it. Another thing that has always, I guess "puzzled" me is.... Why do so many of them have those damn ugly ass mustaches??  Well, thanks for being honest. You have to admit that the lengths some of these guys go to is pretty damn silly. Every day I see some guy in a pickup with lights on the top and a four foot wide sticker in his back window reminding everyone within 100 yds that he is a, FIREFIGHTER! Oh, he also has a front plate with some axes and stuff on it that says in bold letters, FIREFIGHTER! I'm worried, honestly, that he might be psychopathic. Oh well.  in the 80's the best you got was a jacket or a ball-cap with the number of the truck on it. Even back then no one wore the damned thing out than to work, or charity events. The sticker thing started in the 90's i think? Yeah, the stickers got cheap with the advent of software and printers that could punch them out. Oh, shit, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, passing out water bottles. Sorry.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11181373 Canada01/14/2014 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thank for responding.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51047733 IS Methylcyclohexane a gas???? If so, that's the reason to have a post FILTER.... I would assume that it clears it. As far as the tester, it is generic and searchs for all types stuff.... If I test TAP water in my system I get 400 PPM junk, then I test Charcoal filtered water and is DOWN to 180 PPM but the water I consume is always less that 003 PPM... I'm very concern about Water fluoridation that the only way I can get it out.... I thought?? ha ha No its a liquid that gives off vapors. When mixed with water its basically heavier thus forcing the water to the bottom of whatever its kept in. Water does not dilute this chemical, only a heavy duty reverse osmosis membrane in the fliter will do it. Your other filters are mineral and basic chemical(think sulfer)kind. You are basically getting pure water but with less minerals hence the drop in ppm. But for chemicals your typical water tester wont test for those types such as Methylcyclohexane. Did you try and light the water outside? did anything happen? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11181373 Canada01/14/2014 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was suspicious when I read that the City of Cincinnati, 200 miles downstream, was closing its water intake valves. Quoting: ancha To those with chemical knowledge, what will this chemical do, as it travels downstream? Does it ever become diluted to the point of being harmless? Ohio eventually goes into the Wabash, ( I think) which flows into the Mississippi, which leads to the GULF. From our Bayou Corne threads we know there is lots of methane there. To answer your question i would need the volume of chemical to the volume of water in the river flowing. But long story short, the only way to dilute or clean it up is with absorbent none flammable materials as this is a heavy chemical and thus sits in the dirt under the river and remains as far as i can tell granted my chemistry knowledge is a little dated. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 42239347  Sweden01/14/2014 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When do you anticipate the water being drinkable? If ever? Quoting: Sloane Much respect for you Fireman! :fvstrs: I'll never drink or cook with it again. I'll buy bottled water in bulk. Plus my family has access to well water a short distance from here. It would be soooo easy for a terrorist to poison the water supply at probably any place in the country. Im so glad I have my own well. The best water there is. No factory or city nearby to pollute it either. To drink water from plastic bottles cant be good in the long run. Where in Sweden? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26165384 United States01/14/2014 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was suspicious when I read that the City of Cincinnati, 200 miles downstream, was closing its water intake valves. Quoting: ancha To those with chemical knowledge, what will this chemical do, as it travels downstream? Does it ever become diluted to the point of being harmless? Ohio eventually goes into the Wabash, ( I think) which flows into the Mississippi, which leads to the GULF. From our Bayou Corne threads we know there is lots of methane there. To answer your question i would need the volume of chemical to the volume of water in the river flowing. But long story short, the only way to dilute or clean it up is with absorbent none flammable materials as this is a heavy chemical and thus sits in the dirt under the river and remains as far as i can tell granted my chemistry knowledge is a little dated. Thank you. If we start seeing dead fish, we'll know why. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11181373 Canada01/14/2014 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was suspicious when I read that the City of Cincinnati, 200 miles downstream, was closing its water intake valves. Quoting: ancha To those with chemical knowledge, what will this chemical do, as it travels downstream? Does it ever become diluted to the point of being harmless? Ohio eventually goes into the Wabash, ( I think) which flows into the Mississippi, which leads to the GULF. From our Bayou Corne threads we know there is lots of methane there. To answer your question i would need the volume of chemical to the volume of water in the river flowing. But long story short, the only way to dilute or clean it up is with absorbent none flammable materials as this is a heavy chemical and thus sits in the dirt under the river and remains as far as i can tell granted my chemistry knowledge is a little dated. Thank you. If we start seeing dead fish, we'll know why. The fish would have made a retreat the second the detected an unknown element in their environment. Also look for game animals that drink frequently if you find them dead with no gun shot wounds, take it to the vet ASAP and have it tested. |
| TheFireman
(OP) User ID: 51986712 United States01/14/2014 06:27 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was suspicious when I read that the City of Cincinnati, 200 miles downstream, was closing its water intake valves. Quoting: ancha To those with chemical knowledge, what will this chemical do, as it travels downstream? Does it ever become diluted to the point of being harmless? Ohio eventually goes into the Wabash, ( I think) which flows into the Mississippi, which leads to the GULF. From our Bayou Corne threads we know there is lots of methane there. To answer your question i would need the volume of chemical to the volume of water in the river flowing. But long story short, the only way to dilute or clean it up is with absorbent none flammable materials as this is a heavy chemical and thus sits in the dirt under the river and remains as far as i can tell granted my chemistry knowledge is a little dated. Thank you. If we start seeing dead fish, we'll know why. The fish would have made a retreat the second the detected an unknown element in their environment. Also look for game animals that drink frequently if you find them dead with no gun shot wounds, take it to the vet ASAP and have it tested. There's been no report of fish kill. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11181373 Canada01/14/2014 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11181373 To answer your question i would need the volume of chemical to the volume of water in the river flowing. But long story short, the only way to dilute or clean it up is with absorbent none flammable materials as this is a heavy chemical and thus sits in the dirt under the river and remains as far as i can tell granted my chemistry knowledge is a little dated. Thank you. If we start seeing dead fish, we'll know why. The fish would have made a retreat the second the detected an unknown element in their environment. Also look for game animals that drink frequently if you find them dead with no gun shot wounds, take it to the vet ASAP and have it tested. There's been no report of fish kill. Then so far OP, the contamination might be stuck somewhere and not flowing down the river, yet its still im the water. This means its gotten deep into the ground and hit water lines (to which are decades and have easy holes for chemical to seap into) |
| TheFireman
(OP) User ID: 51986712 United States01/14/2014 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fish would have made a retreat the second the detected an unknown element in their environment. Also look for game animals that drink frequently if you find them dead with no gun shot wounds, take it to the vet ASAP and have it tested. There's been no report of fish kill. Then so far OP, the contamination might be stuck somewhere and not flowing down the river, yet its still im the water. This means its gotten deep into the ground and hit water lines (to which are decades and have easy holes for chemical to seap into) From what i'm hearing, the chemical is highly soluble and disperses in the water. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11181373 Canada01/14/2014 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11181373 The fish would have made a retreat the second the detected an unknown element in their environment. Also look for game animals that drink frequently if you find them dead with no gun shot wounds, take it to the vet ASAP and have it tested. There's been no report of fish kill. Then so far OP, the contamination might be stuck somewhere and not flowing down the river, yet its still im the water. This means its gotten deep into the ground and hit water lines (to which are decades and have easy holes for chemical to seap into) From what i'm hearing, the chemical is highly soluble and disperses in the water. yeah, its very bad when mixed with water, it forces the water to the bottom of whatever is containing both it and the chemical. The only way to clean up is with powerful fire proof (as the flashpoint is only 22f) absorbent materials like a type of dust specifically made for the task. some guy earlier asked me to look at a chemical sheet explaining the details. Basically the chemical burns at 545 degree (auto iginition temp) and its flashpoint is 22f, this makes it highly unstable to heat. It also stated on the sheet not to inhale it or touch the dust of this particular chemical. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52932874 United States01/14/2014 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11181373 To answer your question i would need the volume of chemical to the volume of water in the river flowing. But long story short, the only way to dilute or clean it up is with absorbent none flammable materials as this is a heavy chemical and thus sits in the dirt under the river and remains as far as i can tell granted my chemistry knowledge is a little dated. Thank you. If we start seeing dead fish, we'll know why. The fish would have made a retreat the second the detected an unknown element in their environment. Also look for game animals that drink frequently if you find them dead with no gun shot wounds, take it to the vet ASAP and have it tested. There's been no report of fish kill. Bald eagles have nests along the Ohio down stream. Hope this isn't a blow to their comeback. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33697617 United States01/14/2014 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've seen some Facebook posts about FEMA passing out water and all the water is from Nestle, saying some are scared of that water due to possible vaccinations in the water being forced??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39770247 All kinds of water with different names is being handed out. on a funny note, one of them was called "Nuts on Clark"  "Superballs"  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52340777 United States01/14/2014 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just finished passing out water to local residents. Flushing process is underway. My advice ~ Don't Drink the Water Quoting: TheFireman Just wanted to post a nice "thank you". Why? Because this nation has been brainwashed into thinking and/or treating police officers as the local every day "hero" because of their "job". Ever since I was a child I have never under stood this mentality. YOU sir are the one who should be looked upon as a "hero". By "you" I mean you and all firemen. You put your life in some incredibly dangerous positions and never receive the appreciation that is due. I know most people will say... aw shut up because "thats your job". Yes, they are right. What they do not understand is your job is to save lives. No one ever sees a video of a fireman beating the shit out of someone they are called to help, yet every day there is a new video of the so called "heros" in law enforcement shooting, beating, arresting or harassing some innocent bystander. So, thank you for the job you do and may God bless you and keep you safe while doing your job. Also they are the ones running TOWARD danger. Sometimes even just to save a pet. Ever heard of a fire fighter shooting someone over texting in a movie theater? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26165384 United States01/15/2014 03:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to news.cincinnati.com] By sunrise on Wednesday, local water officials expect the remnants of the West Virginia chemical spill to have arrived in the region, carried by the currents of the Ohio River. Little is known about the possible long-term effects of exposure to the chemical compound called Crude MCHM, an industrial chemical used to clean coal and discovered leaking from a tank outside of Charleston, W.Va., on Thursday..... .... Schulte advises people to stay away from the river until the material passes by. |
| soprettie1
User ID: 46331502 United States01/15/2014 05:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to news.cincinnati.com] By sunrise on Wednesday, local water officials expect the remnants of the West Virginia chemical spill to have arrived in the region, carried by the currents of the Ohio River. Little is known about the possible long-term effects of exposure to the chemical compound called Crude MCHM, an industrial chemical used to clean coal and discovered leaking from a tank outside of Charleston, W.Va., on Thursday..... .... Schulte advises people to stay away from the river until the material passes by. [/quote You think this is bad? Antifreeze was discovered here when the Kanawha river didn't freeze one winter many years ago. [link to wiki.answers.com] SoPrettie1 "Creativity is wondering in wonder." *Me* "Synchronicity is the operating system of the universe." *Me* |
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