How ObamaCare Screws The Working Man.

Presupposition.
Depends on the type of work and depends on the type of risks.
It's a bigger world than you think it is.
7.1 Billion people big.
Anti-social conspiracy nuts wouldn't know anything about that though.

Yea, but before O-care, he wasn't FORCED to.

He just paid the fee to see the doc when they needed it before

Let clear it up on the median wage:

Median Income

Back in 2007, median household income was $55,438. That's declined to $51,404 in February 2013.
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
Source: Washington Post

The $30,000 a year man is getting $21,404 less than the median wage in the US.

Evan! You slave driver! You should be ashamed of yourself.

Sorry to make you look so bad in front of your friends.

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That guy is one of those Obama shills. Where's The Comedian when you need him, with his napalm?

Theres always one of em around. You could tell from his posts though, that he had no clue what he was talking about. So you shouldn't waste your time.

It’s not worth the effort. Let them think whatever they want.

They have never had to make a payroll or worry about the OI.

Yeah, I will be freeloader. I have spent 40 years paying in and never tried to get any extra from anyone. i am tired of paying for all the other freeloaders, so there.

Who is John Galt?

you really are kidding, right? you do know that he doesn't have to give his employees health care. however you want to define it, the money he uses to pay healthcare is his money. every businesses money comes from the work of their employees. even if it's a one person company that one person's work provides the revenues. he didn't have to provide healthcare, and he could have only covered a portion of the healthcare. I'm not sure what type of drug addled, peace, love planet you come from, but in the usa, if you own a company of fewer than 50 people you have no obligation to provide insurance, much less pay 100%. and if you think 30k/yr for a family of 5 is a good income, you must live on a heater vent

I get your point... but then, he is not forced to do it now either. He is penalized, but not forced.

He needs to do whatever it takes to increase his skills, his location... both -- and find a higher paying job, preferably with good benefits.

My employer offers insurance -- but only subsidizes a small part of the individual premium. I am on the hook for the rest for myself and my family. Then again, I make 5X what the person in question makes and I can afford it...

I make that much because I paid for the education, paid for the certifications... moved to a better location so that I would be near an airport and could take a higher paying traveling job as a consultant. We did not want to move to a larger city... I do not want to travel four days a week. But that is life... I have to take care of my family. If I can do this -- anyone can do this.

Federal Income Tax pays for nothing you quoted.

I see what you're saying. But 30k/yr here in small town nor cal is quite a bit. He makes over double the min wage. Not very many places around here pay over double min wage.

That's pretty clear from the post. I am very glad that we sold our bricks and mortar and operate from our home now, with all the insurance craziness coming down.

Agreed. Spend the money on ammo and supplies, instead.
That's what I've been doing...

The whole damn thing would crash within a week if all Americans said fuck this, and just didn't go to work until they agree to rescind it. We have more power to wield than anyone else in DC. They getting this "affordable health care" off the backs of the working people. What happens if they can't get it anymore?

I don't know why it's called Obamacare. The exchanges hook you up with a regular ins. Co. My wife got hooked up. Her premium is 720.00 a month and it's subsidized. If she didn't get hooked up, and with subsidy, she wouldn't have health insurance at all. She is 64 and will be on medicare in 7 months or so. I am in my 70s and on medicare. I pay for medicare part B, and pay about 1,400.00 a year. I pay more in than I use but that's fine, just knowing I have some security if I do get sick or have some kind of problems. I am a vet also but have never had a VA claim and have never gotten any VA benefits, but am thankful not to need them. My wife has some issues and we will have some medical bills for her, but we will pay 3,000.00 before ins. pays anything at all (except they already pay some of her prescription drug costs). After our deductible we will pay 30% 70% (us 30). When I was working (most of my life) but just counting the last 30 years, I and the company I worked for paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in ins. premiums and used hardly any, maybe 20,000.00 over the years. So after retirement get no benefit from that at all, so they made out bigtime but I expect that's how it usually goes. The wife has a colon issue and I expect we will get some ins. payback on that but will not have really ever gotten anything for nothing so maybe it all works out fairly in a odd kind of way. Well GLP ers have a great day and be well.

The best thing for us is to some how force them to let loose of all of the health related technologies.

I'm 75 and on Medicare. I pay %100.00 to the GOv for what they provide, but my supplemental is $250.00k a month.

So...for my, my coverage is $350.00 a month....for one person.

Or vote them ALL out, all incumbents, Repub and Demo, good or bad, longtime or noob. Teach our servants they ARE our servants. If we don't act like their masters, we aren't.

Hmmm... are you the employer in this situation? If so, I am surely not saying anything negative against you and I applaud the employer for doing as much as they can for the employee given the situation (located, prevailing wages, etc..).

OTOH, the employee has an obligation to care for his family. Government intrusion or none.

You got a SAW for that?

SALAMI CARE!!!


DESIGNED TO FAIL....


NEVER DESIGNED TO SUCCEED!!!

Yes, this is what needs to happen to send a message to the establishment. To bad it won't! :(

I'm not telling...

Worth sayin' again!

Well kiss my grits!

No, you should continue to offer health benefits to your employees. That sucks for his wife and kids but as long as they are in limbo they won't be able to afford to comply and the more who don't comply the sooner zerocare will go away.

Besides subsidies will fuck him anyway. I am not sure how they will work but I have heard it will go one of two ways. One is that you must pay a full year for zerocare at full price BEFORE you are given the subsidy and when you are given it it comes in the form of a tax refund. If you need a subsidy to afford it then how in hell are you going to afford it the first year at full price.

The second way I have heard that it will work is that you will get your subsidy but then it will be taken out of your tax refund and if the refund is not enough to cover it then you will have to pay the IRS.

Either way it's going to fuck people.

Friends own a restaurant franchise, and provided health insurance to their managers.

Obammycare means that if they insure one person, they have to insure them all (never mind that most of the employees are under 26 and still eligible for coverage on their parent's plan).

So, they cancelled the insurance for managers, but decided to give them a bonus which covered the cost of the cheapest Obamacare premium. Now, they could not say this bonus was for hellth insurance, as that would be illegal. The managers were told of the situation, but were also told they could spend the bonus any way they saw fit.

well dude does have a point. To the OP, if you decide to ditch health insurance for your employees that you say you pay at 100% will you be giving your employees the extra money you will be saving by not providing health insurance to them as extra pay in their pay checks? I ask because this issue has not been addressed anywhere that I can find.

I once "worked for the man" and the company I worked for paid $10,000/yr for my insurance plan that they offered me. I would much rather have just had the $10,000/yr added to my paycheck and then I could have bought the plan I wanted as a private individual plan and I would have come out ahead because the plan would have cost way less than $10,000/yr in premiums.

I was wondering, can I post this on my facebook to share whit my idiot friends? I will say from a poster on a forum I am a member of...?