The New Age Movement - Teal Scott, Bashar, Ester Hicks, Gregg Braden, Laura Pleiadian, Neale Donald Walsch etc is full of lies, its scam & fraud

New age was started by theosophical society. D. Dicke (you know who I am talking about) stole ideas from Alice Bailey, the solar logos are exactly as Alice described in her book, but David left one thing out, the final solar logo is the energy of Lucifer. Age of Aquarius? It started from theosophical society. All these gurus and New Age teachers take their ideas from theosophy. One way or another, you can find a link to Blavatsky or Alice Bailey. These teachers and gurus are liars because they are hold Luciferian beliefs. I have more respect for theosophy than any other New Age teacher, because at least theosophical society admits they are Luciferian.

It could be more than that. Prominant new agers worked with the CIA and SRI in the 60's and 70's on their remote viewing projects.

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Oh you're funny. You blindly ignore knowledge you're afraid of understanding. You are working backwards back out to the ego shell. They aren't teaching you to wait. Like another comment noted that you believe all teachers are false but yourself. That's one way to look at it, but remember what Siddhartha Guatama learned in Herman Hesse's novel. He rejected teachers for most of his life, until he realized everyone and everything is a teacher. You're right that it all boils down to self. But you're becoming self-absorbed.

You forgot that self and other, or self and the whole are one and the same. Look at the thread debating whether Elohim is plural or singular. That's why coming to this site is baffling at times. I understand we live in a difficult world of duality. We see things as opposites, but we forget that
that which are alike are different and that which is different is also alike. As above so below. Your Jesus taught us this long ago, but the Bible they gave you didn't say it. They took it out. Gospel of Thomas quotes Jesus as essentially relating his knowledge to that of Hermetica. It's not so different all our thoughts. They all have to lead somewhere since we're all looking for the truth. Don't neglect the hidden things, Aleister Crowley was simply a great explorer of the psyche as were others of his time like Freud and Jung. They did the painful work and you neglect the respect to appreciate it.

Every Bibletard always says this. Why are people who look behind the curtain Labeled 'Satanic'? Are they not also God 's children who were brave enough to look at the world God gave them rather than at the limited world sanctioned by a man-created organization, the church?

I am not saying they were right, just saying they stepped out of the approved way of thinking to try to find out more. In my way of thinking God would like us to find out more and learn to think for ourselves.

As OP suggests New Age beliefs can also become a trap if they are not used as a springboard for your own thinking.

Not all people are children of God. Actually Bible teaches that unbelievers are children of Satan. That said, I didn't say that these people are Satanic. I said they are Luciferian. I don't just label people without any sense of what I'm saying. I put a lot of hours in researching New Age and it's beliefs, this is my conclusion on my research, not on reading the Bible. When Alice Bailey creates a magazine Lucifer Trust then it's obvious that she's Luciferian. Saying that all Christians don't think for themselves is ridiculous. Have you ever read the Bible? It is one difficult book that can be interpreted in many ways. One thing that Bible does is makes people think and wonder.

Great post, OP!

I have a similar situation to you. I started searching for the truth 5.5 years ago.

What I've learned is not to give your power away to others by believing everything they tell you.

THINK FOR YOURSELF!!

Teal Scott endorses the Anunnaki, but they are malevolent ET's that she claims are benevolent.

A Report on the Motivations and Activities of Extraterrestrial Races
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

The Anunnaki
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

And, as I understand it, Bashar channels the Grays, which are also malevolent, or at least, very self-serving, so they are not our friends, either.

Unless a person is extremely discerning, they accept all of this channeled information as being truthful.

The problem with channeled information is that it is usually corrupted, i.e., disinfo.

There is so much more I could say, but I haven't the energy. People will either figure this out on their own, or they will follow Pied Pipers like Teal and Bashar.

What knowledge am i afraid of understanding and what do you know about what i have understood and not understood? I think you are making quite grandiose claims here about my being that you have no capabilities of talking about.

You are making a statement, but you do not tell where and what your statements come from. You tell me that i ignore something, but you dont mention by a single word WHAT im ignoring. You tell me that there is something im afraid of understanding, but you dont mention WHAT im afraid of understanding. You just push the words out there, with nothing to back them up.

What exactly are you talking about? And what exactly do you know about ME to make such claims?



Like another comment (made by someone whos is NOT ME)? Where do you get all this from? I have never said that all teachers are false but exept myself. If you read what i wrote ive repeated twice that i am not here to teach, i am here to discuss. And i was hoping it was possible to do this, without discussing ME as a person.

Why do you have this strange need of telling me who i am, what i think, and what i need to do to ''fix me'', when that is NOT what this thread is about?

This thread has a topic, and if you dont want to discuss that topic, that is up to you, but like i wrote in the first post, i am not here to get a reading or to get spiritual advice.



I do not really care what Siddhartha Guatama has said about teachers, that is not what this thread is about. Siddhartha Guatama is not some universal truth.



Self absorbed, just because i want to discuss something? Please give me a break =) You are very quick to get to a personal level, to throw out words about my being that you have no capabilities to make. This (in my opinion) says more about you, then it says about me. You can disagree with me about my views all you want, but you dont have to get personal, or tell me what kind of person i am, because like i said, that would be impossible for you to point out by a few words on a forum.

I am a human being, and i am much more than just my views on some spiritual gurus.



I also belive that we are all one. But if it was as simple as that, then this world would not have any problems as of now, we would be in a perfect state of harmony, but we are not. This world is in great troubles right now.



What thread? That ''only'' thread in the whole world that exists about wheter Elohim is plural or singular? And who wrote that thread, someone who has the whole universal truth?



I dont find it baffling to come to this site sometimes, but maybe you do?

Opposites, duality, this is spiritual cliches and is getting us nowhere.



I am entitled to have my opinions about anything i want. I will credit what i feel needs to be credited. And i will disagree or point out things i dont like as well, hence this thread.

If there was no disagreement in this world, and everyone just went around agreeing with everyone else, we wouldnt get anywhere at all.

I appreciate EVERYONE as a person. On a personal level.

But i do not neccasarily appreciate their ''work''.

I belive the same thing, but i also belive that the human mind is fragile, and information still may sneak in subconsciously. I belive that many the things that we sometimes ''think'' is things that might have the origin from other peoples ideas, we have just forgot where the original idea came from sometimes.



I belive that all this talk about Pleiadians, Greys, Ufos, basically all the things that cannot be properly prooved is pushing away many people from getting into spirituality.

I can only talk for myself, but it took me a long long time before i was even willing to give this spiritual thing a try, because this ''movement'' is (in my opinion) filled with so much nonsense, things that arent really necessary for us to talk about.

We need to start talking about the real problems in this world, and how to fix it. We need to stick with the certanitys instead of creating a movement that is so ''weird'' for the ''regular'' guy on the street.

I belive that this movement would be way way bigger if we didnt fill it with all this information that is in no means prooved. Information that in my opinion is fairytales at best, and will stay so until its ''prooved''. If it ever will be.

We should be more realistic. We should stop dreaming ourselves away, because this planet is struggeling, and this is where we should put the attention. We need to put the attention where its needed. Talking about greys, pleiadians and all of that will get us nowhere.

I will be the first guy to welcome these beings if they ever come.

But until that happens, i would prefer to put my energy into something/somewhere i can actually make a difference.

I am sick of waiting for the fairytales to happen.

I am sick of seeing this planet struggeling, when we have all the tools we need to fix it ALREADY =)

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Very good OP. greetings from "home".
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Yes, they are all traceable to the United Nations and, by association, to deceiving spirits---study Alice A Bailey---they all attempt to deny, twist or ridicule the salvation of Jesus Christ---alarm bells ought to ring within the sane, unhived mind...

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2 Corinthians 11:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.




The Beautiful Side of Evil - Johanna Michaelsen
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Gods of the New Age
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(28) Dr Anna says:
As a naturopath and quantum energy practitioner, one thing I know for sure is that reiki is very deceptive and that there are different kinds. There is a reason that it was shrouded in absolute secrecy for many centuries.
It is an energy that wears a disguise, a mask a cloak.
I learned about reiki from being exposed to its practitioners. They are often my clients in my energy work. I have seen that what happens with these practitioners is a CONFLICT BETWEEN BODY AND SPIRIT.
If you follow what happens to these folks who have received reiki attunements- as I do with my work, their health begins to deteriorate over the long term in serious ways. Disasters begin to befall them and/or their family and their pets.. Their energy becomes polluted.
No matter what your belief system may be, I can tell you that reiki is not harmless. Yes, it is just energy- but so is everything..and energy has both positive and negative polarities.
Much like the freemasons, People involved on the master level will say it is not a religion in order to rally new recruits. Those who practice it are unwitting worshippers of the spirits that are assigned to each secret ancient ‘power’ symbol.
Meanwhile, the Christians are so gripped with fear, they are afraid to learn anything about any natural healing methods or energy medicine. They group all alternative medicine into the new age category. This leaves them with nothing but western medicical allopaths. As a result, they become science projects that are poked, prodded, drugged and dissected.
In the end, it is fear that wins as many suffer and die needlessly. Dr Lezlie (below) has it correct. Not all energy medicine is new age.
October 13, 2011 at 12:40 pm
(29) Dr Anna says:
part 2
…Many will defend reiki even when their body is filled with pain and disease that has resulted from the opposing energies it creates. This is how it works..
The lower chakras (1-3) become unable to communicate with the higher chakras (4-7). They develop ALL kinds of troubles but my observations have been that a large part of the physical issues seem to relate to kidney, lung and digestive disorders.
The emotional issues that correlate with these energy issues include..marriage/relationship trouble and financial trouble.
They suffer terribly because their ailments will not respond to any medical treatments.
When I suggest to them that they need to refrain from reiki to hold energetic alignment, they become irate in the same sense as a person defending a sacred religious belief. I can SHOW them what is happening to their energy with and without reiki but they would rather die than give up the reiki.
That is evidence to me that, despite what they say, at worst it IS a religion and at best it is idolotry.
My purpose in posting is to caution and inform those considering a reiki attunement. I understand that your desire is to help people and to help yourself. I understand you have been told it is a harmless energy of spirit and light. Its not. There are MANY ways that one can be involved in energy medicine. Find something other than reiki to fulfill your purpose and desire to be healed/a healer.
In reply to those who no doubt will post saying that they have a reiki attunement and are fine….
It seems that people who have no foundational religious beliefs or people who are already in negative polarity do not develop the same long term reactions as those who come to it in positive polarity.
It is mostly those who seek to maintain positive polarity with a reiki attunement that have real problems.

(26) Sylvie says:
It would be one thing if the Reiki practitioner was giving glory to God for the healing that takes place…but unless s/he is a Christian Reiki Practitioner (and even then I’m not sure), that is not the case. The “glory” goes to the self, to the power of words, to the skill of the practitioner who is able to “align the chakras” through energy manipulation.
The jury is still out for me. I’m starting to lean toward Reiki being irreconcilable with following Jesus…but I’m not sure.
I experienced my first Reiki session this week and the results were phenomenal…physically. Spiritually, however, I feel completely separated from my God. I’ve been miserable emotionally and almost obsessed with going back to get more Reiki done! To me, those side-effects are a huge red flag that I should stay away from Reiki.
Even though I tried to force Reiki to align with my faith by praying to Jesus through the experience and thanking God for the opportunity for healing, I continue to feel like I’m being warned…that it’s dabbling in something that I don’t want to allow into my life.
By the way, classic medicine does not purport to include contacting any type of “spirit” or “energy force”. In essence, the debate here is about our spiritual health so the two really cannot be compared.

(9) Dr Anna says:
reiki is NOT the holy spirit!
Many will defend reiki even when their body is filled with pain and disease that has resulted from the opposing energies it creates. This is how it works..
The lower chakras (1-3) become unable to communicate with the higher chakras (4-7). They develop ALL kinds of troubles but my observations have been that a large part of the physical issues seem to relate to kidney, lung and digestive disorders.
The emotional issues that correlate with these energy issues include..marriage/relationship trouble and financial trouble.
They suffer terribly because their ailments will not respond to any medical treatments.
When I suggest to them that they need to refrain from reiki to hold energetic alignment, they become irate in the same sense as a person defending a sacred religious belief. I can SHOW them what is happening to their energy with and without reiki but they would rather die than give up the reiki.
That is evidence to me that, despite what they say, at worst it IS a religion and at best it is idolotry.
My purpose in posting is to caution and inform those considering a reiki attunement. I understand that your desire is to help people and to help yourself. I understand you have been told it is a harmless energy of spirit and light. Its not. There are MANY ways that one can be involved in energy medicine. Find something other than reiki to fulfill your purpose and desire to be healed/a healer.
In reply to those who no doubt will post saying that they have a reiki attunement and are fine….
It seems that people who have no foundational religious beliefs or people who are already in negative polarity do not develop the same long term reactions as those who come to it in positive polarity.
It is mostly those who seek to maintain positive polarity with a reiki attunement that have real problems.

(44) Steve says:
This is a good dialogue. It is important for people to search out the reason for their existence and the spiritual forces that do indeed exist.
I do not doubt for a minute that there is power in reiki or other current popular spiritual movements.
The question I ask is what is the SOURCE of that power?
The answer to this question is vital to the “health” of the person receiving the power.
I am a Christian but allow me to explain what, for me that means.
I believe in the authority and truth of the Holy Bible. I believe that Jesus is the son of God and that He died on the cross, and rose again from the dead (talk about healing) to bring us back into a loving and right relationship with the one True God.
Who has EVER come close to the Healing power of Jesus?
None! He cured the blind, the deaf, the diseased, the broken-hearted. He also healed many by casting demons out of their bodies.
Jesus did not question whether or not they had “power”. Nor did He question that they existed. He confronted them, often identifying them by name (as they are personalities) and simply expelled them by HIS power.
If demons can influence and indwell a persons physical body, and they can, then I believe that there are two spiritual forces..Godly and demonic.
So, if the single greatest Healer in the history of humanity exposed the powers behind “healing” and spiritual forces (His power, which is supreme or the powers of the demons and their fallen Angel Satan) why are some today trying to reinvent the proverbial wheel so to speak?
It’s all been done before. Different generations, different names, “new” ideas but the same spiritual warfare being played out.
When you open yourself up to spiritual forces be careful. Satan is a liar. He was a murderer from the begining. He is a thief. He comes only to destroy.
Demons do not announce “hey, we are actually demons bent on your destruction”.
No one would open themselves up were that the case. Rather, they hid and often “disguise themselves as angels of light”. Why? To gain access and to wreak havoc and bring death.
His mission is to wage war against Gods children. He was cast down in furious anger because 1. he was not strong enough (Revelation) and 2. He knows his time is short.
If you want healing, peace, love, patience, kindness and eternal life there is only ONE way and that is through Jesus. Either Jesus was a fraud or He was and is who He claimed to be. Decide and act upon it.
Invite Jesus into your hearts, turn from your sins and past and let Jesus run your life. He is GOOD…

(55) savedfromreiki says:
I am shocked how much people are deceived but I was deceived in the same way years ago.
I have been struggling to get rid off reiki demonic spirits for about 3years. I was initiated into the first level without any idea what it really was. After that my life started spiralling down. I went and still have been through very hard time. My first meeting with reiki master who healed my back, was about 11 years ago. After my involvment and initiation I rejected God, became awfully selfish ( I cannot say everything as it is too personal), got divorced, wanted to commit suicide, got involved into new age, started believing in reincarnation, got broke, my family is scattered all over the world, I am still straggling financially etc. etc. Reiki brought total devastation into my life. Only when I started praying and came back to God, did my eyes open and terrible battle started against demonic powers.
Thanks God, now, I know so much about how terrible it is, how satanic reiki energy is and how much Jesus, my saviour is alwas standing on my side to help me win with demons. This is a matter of life and death, this is about your soul!
I spent hours researching the topic, something awful was going on with me, I started hearing voices shouting with terrible hatred against me and God, mocking me, telling me to kill myself and lots of other things which I didn’t understand. I was terrified, I wanted to be close to God but I couldn’t. It’s a long story but it’s real.
I WARN ALL OF YOU WHO SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH. REIKI IS DEMONIC, IT’S AGAINST GOD, GOD IS CURSING YOU WHEN YOU DO ANY KIND OF ACTIVITY WHICH IS FORBIDDEN BY HIM, especially worhsipping other gods like reiki. READ THE BIBLE CAREFULLY, OPEN YOUR EYES, PRAY FOR WISDOM FROM GOD. Repent and ask God to forgive you. I am still fighting and looking for deliverance and babtism in water. Reiki is withcraft, it’s rejection of God. I beg you all, wake up, don’t be deceived, this is satan’s trick to make you think reiki is from God. It’s coming from Satan himself. Don’t let it be practiced on your children and anyobdy you love. I still have third eye lights and they dissappear only when I say loudly – Jesus is my saviour, I belong to Jesus!
If you still don’t believe me, go on your knees and pray sincerely to God to show you the truth. Ask Him to show you the answer in your Bible. He is faithfull, if you pray deeply, He will show you what He wants you to know.
Jesus is the only way !.
There is no other to save you. I am not a fanatic Christian, I was terrified with what was going on with me and it is only Jesus who is always on my side when I cry for help. I have been through many supernatural experience with Holy Spirit and demonic powers. I had my last experience last night and was really scared that demonic voice would come out of my mouth. It’s called demonic opression.
Happily, I didn’t go deeper into reiki and didn’t pracitce it seriously but initiation made me totally vulnerable to demonic, evil powers, which I didn’t know until something crazy started happening to my after coming back to God.
Read the Bible and read the website – [link to www.reikidangers.eu]
I pray that God will wake you up before it’s too late.

(100) 4HIM says:
In fact, in most reiki circles, the practitioners are Universalists in theology, with all religions pointing to one god, but those same people get upset in their spirits when you mention the name Jesus, so most of the time it is never Jesus that is glorified by such healing light.
Jesus Christ is not an interchangeable diety that fits into other religions where we want Him to go. As one that practiced native american shamanish and animatism, you cannot throw Jesus into that and call it Christ Centered Shaminism. Jesus can only be joined to the Father and Holy Spirit as the Trinity. In reiki you are linking Jesus and Buddha on the same field for performing miracles and healings. Buddha says there is no external God, so how can he be channeling the same healing energy as Jesus?! Ooops,there I go onto a religious rant. (however, I was a Sanskrit chanting, peace seeking Buddhist for several years so I can compare the peace found in the vast empty void of nothingness that I achieved in my search for nirvana, to the PEACE that overwhelms my soul when I yoked myself to Jesus and fully surrendered my life to follow Him. But we are not talking about peace we are talking about healing.)

(102) 4HIM says:
Yep, in the past 15 years I have walked just about every road possible looking for God. Buddhism, Hinduism & yoga of every variety, wicca, the occult, shamanism& animatism, reiki and energy bodywork, crystal healing therapy. I could go on and on. I have hungered for truth, for healing, for God. I finally found the Truth, the Way and the Life through Jesus Christ. I have repented from the idol worship and pagan practices of my past. I only want to be an obedient servant to Jesus Christ.
Leviticus 19: 31 “‘Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 20:6 ” ‘I will be against anyone who goes to mediums and spiritists for advice, because that person is being unfaithful to me. So I will cut him off from his people.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

He was talking about people like YOU dumbass!!!

i watched a video of a guy called yuri bezmenov, who supposedly defected from the kgb. he said that they would have "new age" type books imported to libraries/schools because it made the people much easier to manipulate while they were smoking hash...

that said, i think most new age jibberish isn't completely stupid because a lot of it does have common ground with older mysticism that is now just recently being proven by science (bohr and holography for example). if you take the time to look into religious mysticism (judaic and islamic) you will see many coorelations with buddhism/etc. except buddhism is much more hazy and generalized if you get me. more of a free for all type thing. mix the truth with a lie and it is very believable. other people are just misled because it isn't really something that you can understand in an afternoon.

edit: also being in denver, the music scene here is very "new agey" and i see people go all out about this type stuff when their heart is in the right place (kinda...), but it's just very easy to get misled with stupid things.

That's even a bigger scam and the new agers are using your ignorance against you!

They are BOTH scams!!!!!

And so is how far your willing to go crap!!!!!!

OP, has made it very clear that having studied the works and teachings of the named teachers he/she has aquired sufficient spiritual knowledge to condemn them and that no further enlightenment is needed about them.

So, for discussions sake and for others here who may be confused and worried about the teachers you are condemning I will merely share my experience.

I do not know of or follow Teal Scott or Bashar. One of the first steps on a spiritual path is discernment. If it does not resonate with you or dis empowers you, leave it. It was not meant for you. That it was not meant for another's path is not yours to judge. That is not the way of spirit. Simply leave it behind you, or take only what did resonate with you. If they are false teachers their following will be those who are still fear-based or ego-centred. If you judge them, you too are still ego-centered with a need to be right. Walk away.

Much of modern science in the quantum field is giving credence to what Gregg Braden and Neal Donald Walsch are saying. I have learned much from both and respect them.

Your main attack seems focused on the Law of Attraction. It is simply a universal law and many have proven to themselves time and time again that it does work. I am very greatful to Hicks for teaching me how this works. It has changed my life on so many levels.

Like so many others who condemn this and focus on the fact that all your "positive" thoughts and energy didn't end wars, or famine, or suffering.....it isn't meant to! You are the creator of YOUR life and your reality. Many get side-tracked with this God complex that fixing the world is their job. Did you really read Conversations With God?

Perhaps my greatest 'awakening' and lesson came from a children's story written by Walsch. The Sun and the Little Soul. Once I understood that my need to judge and fix everything melted away. Be the best person you can be and quit judging for we simply are not wise enough

It's so weird how you love to say this. You do realize that's how eyes work? that if you stare at something bright for a while, it will begin to look darker? It's not a special power - we can all do this, that's how eyes function.

Yes i know a whole lot about these teachers and their teachings. Like i said earlier, in my opinion their teachings contains a whole lot of good information, but its all the bullshit inbetween that im questioning in this thread.

I do not necessarily belive that any of these people are here to ''harm'' the mind of others, all i know is that power corrupts absolutely everything. When people become teachers, and get followers the ego starts working.

We humans always need progress, and so do these people. They need to push it further and further to have progress, and in this process i feel like many of them have lost their minds completly. They have started to talk about things they know nothing about, to spice up their teachings.

I belive that most of all this ufo, pleiadian, greys information (basically most far out there ideas) are stuff that comes from this aspect of the human mind.

The egos need of progress.



I used this way of thinking for a long time and still do, but ive become much more critical about using my resonating skills to find my truths.

Its very very hard to seperate the intuition from the ego. Not everything that feels good is necessarily true or good for you.

The ego will accept any bullshit belief to protect itself from harm, from the fear of change. Or to just feel safe. Or part of something.

I belive that many of the people in the spiritual movement should become much more critical of what they hear and read as there is so much bullshit out there that just isnt true. Its being spread around by thousands of people that NEVER has checked the facts or done any research themselves. They go with the group.

A feeling of belonging to a group is important to the ego.



I totally disagree with this.

If someone lied to your friend, and fooled him into beliving some crazy ideas, would you just watch it happen?

I belive the ignorance in this spiritual movement is very dangerous. It creates spiritual narcissists who are only in this movement for the love of themselves. When all of this (in my opinion) should open us up as individuals and make us better to interact and communicate with others. This world right now is so cold, and there is so little true communication going on because people are afraid of disagreeing, of stating what they really really belive about something.

We need more people with an open mind that dares to stand out and say what they feel no matter what the ''crowd opinion'' is.

If we only look at the positive things the negative things will never be fixed.

I belive this movement should be about lighting up the dark places, instead of just focusing on the already lighted up topics.



Yes but there is also quite a lot that they have said that has been proved very very wrong, and much that has not been proved. Like i said earlier i respect all of these people. But like mentioned above the need of progress can corrupt the wisest mind (in my opinion).



And it has changed my life also in many ways.

But there is one major flaw to it, and thats the lack of true togetherness its creating. It creates individuals not able to interact and solve problems with others. It creates a whole lot of people on their own egocentrical path. Its all about me me and me. Which in many ways is fine, as you have to live your life for yourself and nobody else, but we also need to become better to communicate with others.

And when we then are taught that we should only do what FEELS right for us, this also seperates us from others. I belive that we need to find a middle path between all these teachings.

We cannot all be one, and in the same time its all about me me me.


Yes i have read conversations with god. A quick read so i will not claim to remember all of it. But yes i have certainly read it.

I belive that the greatest happiness you can ever get is by helping others, helping this world, to make this world a better place for everyone. I belive (and that might just be me) that this should be the true goal in the end of the tunnel of the spiritual teachings.

You will reach a state of TRUE LOVE, not just towards yourself but towards everything. There will be no need to stay away from the negative or follow only the path which resonates, because you will love it all.

You will love everything that is wrong with this world and whatever you do will give you happiness. The only things that makes sense in this state of mind is to help others, to help evolve/save this planet.



I havent read that one but i understand the point you are trying to make.

I agree that we all have to focus on being the best person we can be, but i also belive that there is room for what you call judging in this state of being.

We need more communication, on all levels in my opinion. I belive that the problems we have in this world today is because there has been too little judging and too much looking the other way.

I do not belive the problems lies with ''judging'' i belive that the problem lies in the human dissability to discuss things with others who dont agree. Many are so filled with anger that every disagreement ends up with frustration, anger, and goes into arguments instead of what should be a calm discussion, a calm meeting between two minds.

We need to learn how to communicate on a different level, where disagreeing is allowed.

I belive judging is a stupid word, i do not belive that we ''judge'' just because we disagree.

Spiritual practices becomes narcissistic when the ego-self hijacks the process and assumes that it is the object of self love, becoming enamored of looking in the mirror and claiming that its reflection is the true-Self. Then we loose our way, forgetting that the purpose of learning to love ourselves is to become more open, kind and effective in interactions with others, and instead of opening our hearts with humility and compassion, we assume a position of superiority -- exactly what the ego desires for its safety.

Spiritual narcissism sees self-love as the end goal. Spirituality to the ego-self is an object of attainment, much like fame, wealth, an expensive car and a sexy body.

Spiritual narcissism creates the pretense of holiness as an ego strategy to mask insecurity, receive approval, or avoid struggle and growth. "I'm a spiritual person" it proclaims proudly. "I travel to alternate realities, see auras, heal chakras, predict the future, talk to spirits, commune with angels, manipulate energies, meditate for three hours a day, harness the powers of the Universe to attract success. ... The truth is that I'm more evolved than you!"

Deep spirituality makes us more sensitive to the feeling of others, encouraging an open stance of courage where we can drop our protective shields and accept the vulnerability to be seen as we are.

Narcissistic sensitivity, however, is focused solely on the subtle nuances of one's own internality, and resists looking at hard, uncomfortable truths that may upset the self image. One who is narcissistically sensitive is easily offended by the "coarseness" of others, seeks to make his environment change to align with the contours of his needs, and gets angry or offended when this does not happen.

Power changes the brain, triggering increased testosterone and one of its by-products called 3-androstanediol.

They lead to addiction largely because they increase dopamine in a part of the brain's reward system called the nucleus accumbens.

Cocaine has its effects through this system also, and by hijacking our brains's reward system, it can give short-term extreme pleasure but leads to long-term addiction, with all that entails.

Unfettered power has almost identical effects.

Too much power - and hence too much dopamine can disrupt normal cognition and emotion, leading to gross errors of judgement and imperviousness to risk, not to mention huge egocentricity and lack of emphaty for others.

War, corruption, greed, pollution, bigotry, racism, famine, economic bubbles, addictions of all kinds, and most aberrant behaviours can be traced to a form of dopamine induced madness.

The same dopamine appeal that delived Homo Sapiens into the 21st century is now derailing human evoulution and is keeping even the wisest of the most (potentially) ''intelligent'' species on the planet from realizing that a brain chemical is responsible for most of the destructive behaviours that are undermining our chances of survival.

The foundation of the movement is based on a deception. Everything built on top of it is only as good as its foundation. I dove into new age "spirituality" 4 years ago and started seeing what it was 2 years ago. I was into astral projection, mushrooms, tansendental meditation, and different eastern religions for a long time until I realized it robbed you of its enlightenment. OP theres was one day after astral projecting that I got voices in my head that werent my own and I couldnt control them, This event lead me into the study of evil/demons which i never invested much thought into. I became obsessed with the nature of evil. how did it behave, what was the nature and origin of it? thats when i dove into conspiracy theories. soon everything through my eyes was out to get me. it was all evil and a conspiracy. i believed nobody understood me. a lot of what you said sounds like my experience maybe just woven in a different pattern. I learned about giants, aliens, space ships on hieroglyphics. and slowly starts seeing that a lot of this stuff ive heard of mentioned in the bible. The fallen angels mating with women and creating giants. and many other things. So i decided to buy a bible and check it out. the first book i opened to was Romans 1 which spoke of holding truth in unrighteousness. and that Gods eternal power was given to the earth upon its creation. and rather than giving God the glory we would give man the glory even though the glory isnt mans... its Gods, not our own. but we are using it for ourselves. it says we became vain in our imagination and professing ourselves to be wise we become fools and change Gods truth into a lie.... His power is here. love, humility, peace... its all Gods truth but we are using it for self. The new age spirituality isnt even spirituality. its a lifting of the soul. its soulical. its about peace of mind, giving love to receive love. self realization. its all about our own enlightenment. spirituality is the denial of self and soul and sacrificiing yourself for the glory of God in your life. denying my own desires and doing that which pleases him even if it hurts me. what makes your soul is your thoughts, will, and emotion. and everything that every belief other than TRUE christianity is for the glory of self and self illumination. Christianity is a denial of self and you recieve Gods illumination. its serving him even when every bit of you is saying no. a denying of that. i hope this helps you. here is that verse from romans 1


For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (Romans 1:18-25 KJV)

there is truth in it. the law of attraction and whatever else. power of love and intention but these laws are given by God. we are holding truth in unrighteousness in the eyes of God.

the denial of self or the death of the ego cant be done from self. If I myself try to kill who my SELF is? im only involving more of myself into trying to get rid of my self. God wants to do that for us. He doesnt want me to be mindless but to use the person he created in his image by my willful giving up of my self for his will to be done through me. a denial of self and the willing of his will

I am not a Christian and i never will be. For that ive read too many religious books. Ive read the bible (and some of the books that where left out), ive read the jewish books including kabbalah, ive read buddhist teachings, ive read the koran, hindu teachings, you name it.

I belive its all the same, written in different words and corrupted into different directions, by TEACHERS! Teachers who have had their mind corrupted by POWER. Basically what this thread is about.

Now im not here to put down any religion, but i will explain shortly what i dont like about religion.

Basically EVERYTHING ive written in this thread can be said about almost all the religions as well.

Its full of ''blind'' followers following the corrupt at the top who have been blinded by their own power.

Most religious books has been changed and altered during the years. Its now a work of man.

On the other side i do belive that all these books are talking about TRUE SPIRITUALITY (ergo not the acenscion, alien part, but the part about knowing/finding yourself), and its mainly written in metaphores.

Nobody who is a christian, a muslim, or whatever religion holds the same beliefs, the beliefs comes from past experiences, what lies behind on the path. Something that is logical to one person may be totally unlogical to another person.

If 100 persons read the bible, they will have 100 different perceptions when they are finished.

Thanks for these =) Looks interesting. Will definetly watch.

man i wish you would give ear. Self, is soul. its not spirit. self realization is an awakening of the soul. it isnt spiritual. you are a spirit, soul, body. the soul is the product of the spirit and body meeting. its as a lightbulb; the spirit would be the electricity, the light is the soul anf the body is the buld. the body is to manifest the light that only given by the spirit. theres so much i wish we could talk about. trust me christianity was the last place i wanted to go aswell. it was all so dead and lifeless to me until God became real. and its nothing to do with being in theartbeat of nature or whatever, Could i recommend the book "the latent power of the soul" by watchman nee. its only like 98 pages but i believe it would really bless you. and as far as you thinking the bible is flawed i assure you it isnt. maybe a couple books have been taken out but the center of its message is Christ. God incarnate. His spirit is the one Holy Spirit. and by opening your heart to him in surrend his spirit will enter you. just liike any spiritual posession. its isnt hard to believe. That spirit is the same spirit in the authors of the bible and by the unction of Gods spirit, man wrote. His spirit is living inside of me and it bears witness with the truth of the bible. His spirit bears witness with the word. its an eternal word. a truth written in the eternaity that can not and will not cchange. the bible is the INSPIRED word. it bears witness with the truth. when the truth is in you the words come to life. literally i cant make this up but i bear witness with its reality. i never bought it before brother but its become so alive to me. you simply know that you know that its real

OP id be all about giving you my phone number if you wanted to have a more in depth conversation. what we are talking about is literally the only thing that matters in the eyes of eternity

op can we figure our a way where i buy "the latent power of the soul" for you? I want to buy and send you that book or if you have an kinndle ill buy it for your kindle so you can read it right now

There is no need for you trying to give me information so that i would label myself to be in a group.

Trust me, i belive the same thing you do, just in a totally different way. You can call it Jesus, or God or whatever you want to call it, it is basically the same thing we are all talking about, whatever religion or belief you come from =) Spirituality is about the very same ''thing'' as the bible, you just have to look behind all the bullshit, all the definitions, all the labelling.

I have no need to call myself a christian. I call myself spiritual because that is the label i prefer. But if i could explain it without labelling/language i wouldnt use any word at all.

There is no need to discuss labels or beliefs as we are all basically talking about the same thing =)

But thanks for the offer ^^

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One day in the ''future''/now we will live in a world without teachers, without gurus, priests, imams, kohens etc.

We will one day find out that all of them are just keeping us apart.

If you are religious i would recommend learning the history of language and how it has evolved/growed.

Back in ancient times they didnt have that many words as we have now to explain things.

As ''now'' has expanded unto something ''bigger'' and more complex so has our language.

Some of that language is in many ways now holding us back, by making the communication more complex, adding more confusion and so on.

If the languages of today was still how it was ''back in the old days'', we would not have any argue among the ''different religions'' and the different faiths.

We would understand that we are all talking about the same thing =)

But this is not the topic of the thread. The topic of this thread is more or less about how power can corrupt the human mind.

Which in one way doesnt really matter, as we will get to where we want to be at the right time anyways :P

But yeah...

I do what i need to do, because that is why im here =)

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