The New Age Movement - Teal Scott, Bashar, Ester Hicks, Gregg Braden, Laura Pleiadian, Neale Donald Walsch etc is full of lies, its scam & fraud

OP, if it gets people to look outside the box for the first time in their life, then mission accomplished. I don't sell anything on In5D. All I want is for people to question EVERYTHING, including everything on In5D.

That being said, I keep away from posting most channeling info on In5D.

The Law of Attraction is based on Universal Laws that apply to everyone. The LoA is always in motion as everyone is attracting whatever is predominantly on their minds. For the doomtards, they'll get exactly what they wish for.

The Rosicrucians have a philosophy that says your goal in life is not to be happy... it's to experience as much as possible and within those experiences, you'll find happiness.

Ultimately, we're all spiritual beings having a human experience.

Enjoy your sailing experience!

PS I can tell you that most of us in this field aren't wealthy. One thing I like to ask people is, "If there was no such thing as money, what would you be doing with your life?"

What would you be doing, OP, and why?

Last Edited by in5d on 02/27/2014 11:02 PM

Well said!

there is no new age movement, there is a resurrection of powerful spiritual beliefs.. only some have left out the key to unlock it so that you will continue to give them money. There is a key. What you think, be aware of your thoughts, LOVE is the key. Faith is the Key. Compassion is the KEY.
money is not evil, it is what your self needs that money will purchase. If you believe that money is evil, it will allude you
If you think thoughts of harm, spite, revenge, you will truly attract things in your life to fulfill this. If you think of each person as a divine spark of creation, you will see such, and no "wicked" thoughts are necessary.

to experience life fully, is not to experience, poverty, pain, sorrow.. it is to experience life fully. Stop and smell the roses, feel joy, play like a child.

KEY KEY KEY... what is the real Key?
when you truly wish to find the key
ask and it shall be given

What is the most resilient parasite? Bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm?

An idea. Resilient... highly contagious. Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate. An idea that is fully formed - fully understood - that sticks; right in there somewhere.

Last Edited by D0NTBeAfraidEVER on 02/27/2014 11:12 PM

OP, I gotta say, I don't disagree with you ... for the most part.

My path actually sounds an awful lot like yours, and I got snared by the "law of attraction" nonsense, as well. At this point, I kind of look at it as a potential "preview" of what may be to come (after all, if we're all one, all the *mind* of god experiencing itself, there's nothing we couldn't be capable of if that part of the *game* was unlocked for us).

However, I did read through some of your replies, and I think one thing that really stuck out to me is that you envision some sort of perfect, peaceful world we have at our fingertips if only we leave behind the ego-based, unrealistic teachings of some of the new age leaders. And you referenced that new age teachers suggest that no one acknowledge that there's war and famine and disease in the world and that other people suffer.

But I think if you'll look at nature - leaving humans out of the equation for a minute - you'll see that there's no such thing as a perfect, peaceful world where there's no famine, disease, or strife. The key isn't to ignore those things (and I'm not sure I know of any teacher who suggests that), but to accept them and honor them as what is.

I'm not sure what it is that you want to change. Everything runs its course the way it runs its course.

As far as the mind of human beings goes, it's become quite clear to me throughout my life that everything does, in fact, happen for a reason - for a lesson, and the lessons really don't mean much in the end.

But the worst atrocity can lead to the most beautiful outpouring of love. The most heinous of acts can bring a community together in a new way.

It's become clear to me that when I judge, I hurt.

So I don't judge anymore.

I sit in gratitude.

Past and future are pretend. The only thing I have in front of me is now, and in this *now*, I do the thing that feels right.

And when you're in gratitude, at all times (which, unfortunately, I have yet to accomplish completely), you can still do things. You can still act, and help, and even say no. You just don't feel the need to fight (unless you do, and that's okay, too).

Imagine if you were god. Right?

You're god, and you set this whole stage up for yourself, and every little part of you is running around playing its part perfectly. And one day, you look at all this stuff going on, in its entirety.

What do you think? Really?

"Beautiful," you would think. "It's all so fascinating. All this *me* fooling *me* exactly as I intended I should."

So it would stand to reason - it always stands to reason - that any *guru* who doesn't say this, and this alone - "I am, you are. Figure it out." - is blowing smoke somewhere.

You can't tell the truth with words. Words don't explain what IS.

But the new age teachers are playing their part, pushing things towards what IS a little bit more, while still keeping the game going.

Which is a good thing, right? Without the game, we have nothing, no veil, no maya, no playing around on this earth. And that is the meaning of apocalypse. When we all wake up and forget our egos completely and remember who we really are.

And then the game starts again (or it doesn't - I don't know).

What's the rush? Really?

they're all cults.

all religions are cults.

all cults are scams.

I want what you have said to be true. I really, really do; however, it just has not worked that way. I gave the philosophy and the love and the compassion about 40 years. I honestly tried and believed and was someone that people saw as positive and descent in spite of it all.

However, after years of hanging on, I finally gave up and stopped believing. My life has been hard, hard, hard. I have been through the mill and back again over and over and over and over--sometimes on a daily or weekly basis....always waiting and believing that eventually it will get better.

Now, I am healthy (praise the Lord!!!!!) and my kids and grandkids are great and healthy and smart (again, praise the Lord!!!!!) BUT, my life is still hard, hard, hard and I am facing retirement age and still concerned about making it on a day to day basis. Many beloved Friends and loved ones---dead. Home old and falling apart. Abuse and more abuse. Just a very difficult path.

Not complaining here---many have hard paths--but trying to say that for some of us----it just doesn't work the way it is supposed to even after we read all the books and search for keys and put outselves out there and refuse negative thoughts. After a while, we have to face reality. Hope for years and years and years is exhausting and disappointing

I'm 59, I work, one husband left me and kids penniless and almost homeless, the next abusive husband beat us and died suddenly. Married another guy who basically treated us terrible and now has altzimers so I have to take care of him and have no emotional support or love--just go to work ---take care of things and not see a pleasant future.

What do you say? I am just trying to tell you that the positive thinking doesn't always work like it should. Life is just hard. And if it was just the husband problems, I would be delighted. I am talking about abuse and pain that has been relentless while I tried to keep believing.

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I totally get what the OP is saying and I too am in his camp....I no longer seriously invest my time or energy in the "YouTube spiritual economy" because nothing said IS new - just recycled and repackaged ideas from the far past. These contemporary folks are basically plagiarists in my view - especially the LOA folks.

I do spend time reading about quantum physics and there are some books out there by non-Youtube physicists - people who at one time, were self described atheists, and have had a change of heart spiritually due to the implications of quantum physics. These physicists share their ideas and insights that integrate science and spirituality - but without the bullshit.

I also spend time reading about professionals (science, medicine, etc...) who have directly experienced either entheogens and/or NDE's or who study these phenomena.

Like everything it seems, your relative truth is hidden among actual bullshit and 7 billion other relative truths. Discernment is key. Look within to find your relative truth. Once your relative truth is found - it can put you on the path to knowing absolute TRUTH.

"Know thyself."

"Be the change you want to see in the world."

"We are not humans with a soul; We are souls having a human experience."

"It's all an illusion anyway, so just enjoy the ride."

And what about all the people they scare away with including all the mambojambo in their teachings?

I find it REALLY weird that two of the biggest spiritual teachers within this movement is saying that they are aliens or channeling aliens. I find it weird that they are preaching some of the far out spiritual ideas that started with Madame Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Crowley etc.

A lot of what they preach contradicts itself, and to me they teach narcissism. They teach that its all about you, you you. You create your own reality, it doesnt matter, just smile. They passify you and tell you not to think about the bad things in this world, they tell us to ignore it. Or to wait for spaceships to come and help us.

A lot of people get scared away from spirituality because of this, and many people become almost brainwashed by it.



Good for you =) Glad to hear.



I do not completly disagree with the law of attraction. I disagree with people who claim to know how it all works. Cant we just be honest and say that we dont? We dont know if the doomtards will get exactly what they wish for? And we dont know if it will work the opposite direction either.

Who wrote this universal law?



Experience is the fastest road to knowledge, to answers, to happiness, to expand.





Enjoy your sailing experience!


I will, you too =)




You dont have to explain yourself to me ^^

I dont know if you have seen the video If there was no such thing as money by Alan Watts on youtube? Ive posted it on this site several times. Its a question i really asked myself 3 years ago =)

To me money is just a tool, i work only 6 months a year (350 hour/month), then i travel. Im happy =)

Last Edited by D0NTBeAfraidEVER on 02/27/2014 11:51 PM

Erm...as a Rosicrucian, would you mind providing some proof about what youre claiming our order states? You're simplification is mildly ridiculous.

OP, I haven't read thru all the pages.... in fact, half way thru the first page, it began to feel 'uneasy'.

I can't comment on all those names you have in your title, but I have listened to Bashar and Ester and to say they are 'full of lies' is well, a downright lie. Perhaps you don't like their format (the messenger) but their message is empowering.

You say you don't believe the Law of Attraction works -- if you understand anything about frequency, how could you possibly say such a thing? Perhaps you don't like the 'way' it works, in which case, that's between you and your vibration :) but to say it's a 'scam' is to do a great dis-service to vibrational nature of this universe.

Bashar and Ester explain to people... give them an idea of what they are beyond these physical body suits. They explain that you create your reality by the thoughts you think and the vibration you hold - and they teach people to take responsibility for those thoughts and vibrations. They don't tell people to sit around and dream all day - what they say is to get into alignment, vibe up, and once you've done that, inspired action will follow - in fact, when a person is "in the groove" so to speak, wild horses wouldn't be able to keep them away from all their inspired action.

I've seen first-hand the metamorphosis in countless people's lives when they finally understood how the LOA works. Simply put, it's beautiful.

Cool =)



I belive that we are soon to experience a change in this world. Hopefully in this lifetime. For the better. I do not say it will be perfect, but it will be better. It will be us evolving one more step. A new era of thinking.

I belive that the biggest enemy of the spiritual movement is ego. When we lose the ego we will come together, we will experience a different and new way of unity.

I belive spirituality is going to have to evolve, and that many of the old thruts maybe has to be changed for the better.



We can create heaven on earth on this planet, of that i am sure. I belive that people tend to understimate what we are really capable of.

I do not want to ignore famine, disease, wars or strife. I want more than just happiness for myself. I can be happy fighting those things.




Yes and what if the run of the course is in this direction, to a society with less gurus/teachers. What if i am just one small small puzzlepiece of a big puzzle, doinging my job ''in that puzzle'' right now?

What if =) ?

I want to change the world, i want us to realise that we control the speed, that we have the speedpedal and the brakes.




And im playing my part questioning their ''things''. I belive these people must go before we ''proceed further''.



I love the game, but i see it for what it really is. Its not just a game, it has some deeper meanings in it. Its not just about living a happy life, doing FUN things and everything you desire. Sure you can be happy doing those things. But there is a greater happiness, and thats helping this world evolve. Try to fix the broken. We have to aim for progress, real progress. We cant just float around on a pink bubble of happiness.

And then the game starts again (or it doesn't - I don't know).



Who said i am in a rush ;)

I dont know if you have seen the video If there was no such thing as money by Alan Watts on youtube? Ive posted it on this site several times. Its a question i really asked myself 3 years ago =)

To me money is just a tool, i work only 6 months a year (350 hour/month), then i travel. Im happy =)


Hey OP, care to give any suggestions about how to make some good money so that I can buy myself a little freedom. I don't imagine you want to share any special secrets, but would you mind throwing a good hint in my direction???? If not, I understand!!! It's just that I am a hard worker, but I would so love to enjoy my life more and I haven't found the route---still looking. Any hints would be loved and appreciated.

What about the will of the cock???

I belive this is key =) Do what you love, no matter what, not even the money.

No matter what you do, if its the thing you love, you will eventually get perfectly good at it, if you just dare to follow it. The road with money will cross that road eventually.

"Your post implies that what these teachers have to say is full of lies. Firstly, who are you to judge anything they have to say? These teachers certainly never force beliefs upon you, they merely present some ideas that they hold dear to them and offer its wisdom for others."



Satan does that too.

you may surely have a point... but..Greg Braden..no

Don't know if you've noticed ... but there's not exactly a shortage of "new age"rs. ;)

Maybe folks just really resonate to "all the mambojambo"



I find it weird that you think info has to come in a certain form in order to be valid, and if it comes from 'aliens or is 'channelled', etc., it's automatically bogus.

OP you should learn to astral project; and you'd eventually learn that all these "aliens" outnumber us earthlings by many billions-to-one. Maybe then you'd see it's not all that 'weird' that some of them would like to talk with us.

I agree that there are lot of scam artists around but I hope you don't mind OP if I ask you to clarify what you mean by the following statement! WHAT is you yardstick for KNOWING what is TRUE that we may stick to it?

I belive that we should stick with what we KNOW is true, that is more than enough!

Thanks in advance for your reply!

Last Edited by Ozicell on 02/28/2014 01:28 AM

Well I have always thought "if the law of attraction was as powerful as they say, then all their information should be given free, the law of attraction will sort out their income in other ways, but if this is such an important part of our growth, how come only the rich can access it.. "..

The money side of the new age movement annoys me .. jesus would be so pissed that they were charging for this information..

why is it soo expensive to see these spiritual people that teach such as wayne dyer and deepak chopra etc. is that spiritual to charge an outragous amount of money so that someone in need can not come and learn?

I believe that part of being spiritual is being able to discern the spirits, so any truly spiritual individual would see them a mile off and already know the source of their spirituality!

So your question is extremely valid and one I have asked often! That said, I believe that we all are entitled to make a living, however, making a living is one thing - getting over the top wealthy playing and preying on people's weaknesses is a totally different kettle of fish. I say - let the buyer be aware and let the individual be the judge of what they choose to accept or reject!

Yes, I can agree. I have NO problem with a person making a very nice living from teaching spiritual things. I just watched the video OP put on here from Alan Watts and have always been comfortable with people making money from their talents, etc---especially when they have to travel and stay in hotels and all of that.....

HOWEVER, there is a definitely a place where they are no longer providing a service and making sure that all people can be enlightened with their teachings and
REALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE BY CHARGING UNREASONABLE AMOUNTS AND THEN FILLING THEM WITH THE OLD "give to me and you will prosper" bit.

There is a line between honestly making a good living and totally taking advantage of the situation that will hurt other people by taking advantage of people who are thirsting for knowledge and looking for hope.

It seems like a true spiritual leader in this day and age could probably make lots of money from their books, etc and not need to charge like rock star for their speaking engagements.

Yes, I can agree. I have NO problem with a person making a very nice living from teaching spiritual things. I just watched the video OP put on here from Alan Watts and have always been comfortable with people making money from their talents, etc---especially when they have to travel and stay in hotels and all of that.....

HOWEVER, there is a definitely a place where they are no longer providing a service and making sure that all people can be enlightened with their teachings and
REALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE BY CHARGING UNREASONABLE AMOUNTS AND THEN FILLING THEM WITH THE OLD "give to me and you will prosper" bit.

There is a line between honestly making a good living and totally taking advantage of the situation that will hurt other people by taking advantage of people who are thirsting for knowledge and looking for hope.

It seems like a true spiritual leader in this day and age could probably make lots of money from their books, etc and not need to charge like rock star for their speaking engagements.