Are Azerbaijan and Armenia about to start a regional war? drag in russia, turkey

[link to nationalinterest.org] In the conflict zone stretching from Syria to Afghanistan lies another war waiting to re-emerge: Nagorno-Karabakh. This dispute is likely to occupy President Obama’s new foreign-policy team whether they want it or not.

Two decades ago the newly independent states of Armenia and Azerbaijan fought a bitter war over this remote area of mountains and valleys. Armenia won the war, but nobody has achieved peace. A fragile ceasefire signed in 1994 remains the only tangible achievement of diplomacy.

Since then, a mediation effort led by Washington, Moscow and Paris has sought a solution. Despite the best efforts of the three governments—including presidential initiatives by all three—the parties to the conflict do not and will not negotiate. This impasse has contributed to a dangerous evolution of the dispute in recent years from post-war to pre-war.

A major arms race is underway, fueled by Azerbaijan’s oil and gas wealth and by Armenia’s support from Russia. Azerbaijan is acquiring a distinct advantage in military technology and firepower, but Armenia retains major advantages of terrain and operational skill. Azerbaijan has a patron in Turkey, which feels a fraternal commitment, but Armenia has a treaty-based security alliance and historical partnership with Russia.

A new war would likely be pyrrhic for both sides, but also dwarf the first war in scale and destruction. The initial conflict was limited to Karabakh and its surroundings, and was largely an infantry fight. The next war will engage Armenia and Azerbaijan against each other directly, with greatly expanded arsenals. Both sides plan on this basis and both threaten to target civilian infrastructure, such as pipelines. Serious ceasefire violations have recently occurred on their joint border, not just around Karabakh.

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[link to www.thetotalcollapse.com] Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Russia and a Third World War






– Okay, it may be an alarming heading, but by the end of this article you will see the relevance of it far more than you do now.

The above map illustrates an area of territory known as the Nagorno-Karabakh (a Russian-Turkish term meaning “mountainous black garden”), an enclave precariously situated along the border with bitter enemies Armenia and Azerbaijan.

The issue is that both sides claim this enclave. Before the break-up of the Soviet Union it was within the borders of Azerbaijan, but after the collapse of the USSR the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh (who make up the majority of the population) won a vote to break away from the Azeri side.

Entwined in this also is Iran, which have an interest in this area (particularly in preserving the status-quo), and Georgia which sits directly to its north-west.

Complicating matters, this area sits right next to the oil and gas rich Caspian Sea, which both Russia and Turkey would very much like a monopoly over. There are lucrative opportunities to build connecting pipelines, worth potentially trillions of dollars in revenue to the winning side.

When looking at the above map of this area and the complex geopolitical web that surrounds it, we immediately see the dangerous potential of miscalculation.

Historically, Armenia has had Russia as its big brother to lend it moral (and full-blown military) support in times of crisis. As for Azerbaijan, they have Turkey, and by extension, NATO.

An Armenian MP recently warned that any failure by both sides to reach a final agreement on the territorial issue of Nagorno-Karabakh could result in a Th

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Speaking of Azerbaijan...

As Vladimir Putin completes Russia's annexation of Crimea, Azerbaijan is worried that his next move will be to shift his attention southward.

The Caspian Sea nation, the only westward route for central Asian oil and gas that bypasses Russia, is finding itself hemmed in by Putin's regional ambitions. Russian troops are already stationed in neighboring Georgia and Armenia and just four months ago, Putin said Russia will "never leave" the region.

That's stirring angst in a nation that was captured by Soviet Russia in 1920. Azerbaijan, the third-largest ex-Soviet oil producer, has spent the past two decades trying to establish itself as an alternative gas source to Europe. Home to the Shah Deniz field, in December the country struck a 45-billion-dollar deal with a BP-led group.

"If the West doesn't do anything to stop Russia, they will be emboldened to take back Azerbaijan by force as they did a hundred years ago," said Zahir Rahimov, a 39-year-old resident of Baku, referring to the Bolshevik takeover.

Officials already complain about feeling the Kremlin's pressure. The push from Moscow to join Putin's new customs union, a project he wants to rival the European Union, is similar to the squeeze put on Ukraine, according to Siyavus Novruzov, a senior member of the ruling New Azerbaijan Party.

Putin is extending Russia's reach as he tries to rebuild the prestige it lost after the end of the Cold War. To Azerbaijan's west, Russia has kept a base with about 4,000 soldiers in Armenia since a cease-fire in the Nagorno-Karabakh war in 1994. In Georgia to the northwest, Putin left forces stationed in Abkhazia and South Ossetia after a 2008 war.

"As for the Trans-Caucasus region, Russia will never leave this region," Putin said on 2 December after surveying Russian troops at the base in Armenia. "On the contrary, we will make our place here even stronger. We will strengthen our position here, drawing on the best of what our forebears left us and with the support of good relations with all countries in the region, including Armenia."

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Fact is that Russia is more powerful than NATO in Europe. Doesn't matter what kind of promises the WH administration makes. If NATO makes another stupid move like Georgia or Ukraine it will see similar Russian response.

The scary part is the crazy neocon fuckers think they could WIN a nuclear war

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Armenia continues breaking ceasefire with Azerbaijan

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Armenian armed forces have 35 times violated the ceasefire along the line of contact between Azerbaijani and Armenian troops over the last 24 hours, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said on January 12.

Armenian armed units stationed in Azatamut village of Armenia’s Ijevan district and Doveh village of Noyemberyan district shelled the positions of Azerbaijani armed forces located in Kamarli, Jafarli villages of Azerbaijan's Gazakh district.



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"Pressure Grows on Armenia" as Call for Liberation of Azerbaijani Provinces Becomes Second Most Popular White House Petition in History


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BAKU, Azerbaijan, January 10, 2017 /PRNewswire/ --
The success of a White House petition last year, calling on the Obama administration "to assist in the liberation of the Azerbaijani provinces occupied by Armenia" has put Armenia under increasing pressure due to the level of awareness it raised, according to Elkhan Suleymanov, the President of the Association for Civil Society Development in Azerbaijan, who initiated the petition.

Hostilities break out between Armenia & Azerbaijan over long disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region, both countries trade blame [link to www.rt.com (secure)]

Atlantic Council:


Russia and Turkey may fill in the diplomatic vacuum on Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict

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Sneaky backdoor for the West to attack Iran by land?

There is already a pinned thread about this.

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Israel wants Turkey and they hope Russia will destroy it FOR them.

"Greater Israel" needs to control Turkey to link it to their colony of Ukraine.

If they (Israeli ethno-racists) can get Greeks and Russians to do their dirty work, they get all Turkey for free.

Soros and his gang have a window opened because of Trump that let's them think they can make some big moves now.

Turkey has been ecnomoically crushed by Trump's scamdemic, just like white people everywhere else.

Azerbijan is just another Israel colony now. Has been for years.

Trump has unleashed someone who's making Hitler-like land grabs. Centcom has lot's of satanists in their top ranks. You can only expect more evil from this lot. Especially if the satanists from the UK and France are involved.

ofcourse the war will start in armenia

it already started

Remember these people were behind the Armenian GENOCIDE of the 1910's with the help of donmeh/crypto you know who's.....
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Up to their usual shit stirring, I would not put it past them.

Another deluded illiterate neo-nazi supporting a non native slit-eyed nation (Turkic) against a native nation (Armenian). Turkey is starting a war as it did with the turkoman ISIS in Syria. Turkey is pouring illegal immigrants in Europe, especially Pakistani, Afghani and Turkomans from Syria (aka ISIS/FSA). Turkey threatens Greece with taking over the Greek Islands and the Greek mainland up to Thessaloniki, not the other way.