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(OP) User ID: 54122863 Canada 02/09/2014 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quite obviously the word "Jerusalem" has more than one meaning, as do "Sodom" and "Egypt." Take a look at this verse: "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the city which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." Revelation 11:8 This verse explains that "Sodom" and "Egypt" are not physical places, but are allegories, meaning they are spiritual in nature and it refutes the whole of the Gospel accounts of a physical crucifixion of the man Jesus in Jerusalem. This verse makes it so abundantly clear that the crucifixion is spiritual in nature and happens in the spiritual Jerusalem." There is nothing physical about this event. beebee |
anonymous User ID: 49447489 United States 02/09/2014 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mark 4:11 totally disagrees with your' position. Christ Himself said only the chosen/elect (spiritually discerning)would understand the parables. The world considers the things of God "foolishness" for they follow their "daddy" "the god of this world, who now works in the sons of disobedience..". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54123150 Canada 02/09/2014 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Op, its not what you think. What you think you can't explain. You felt it all your life. That something is wrong with the World. That something is wrong with the Bible. par·a·ble [par-uh-buhl] noun 1.a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. 2.a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like. Origin:1275–1325; Middle English [link to dictionary.reference.com] The Word, parable, originated: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin parabola, from Greek parabol; comparison, from paraballein to compare, from para- + ballein to throw — more at devil First Known Use: 14th century [link to www.merriam-webster.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21903530 Canada 02/09/2014 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Hebrew, there is a saying. The Torah is a PaRaDiSe. P = Poshoot (simple truth - i.e. the truth of the fundamentalists. R = Remez (the hints - things you have to figure out for yourself, allegories, parables, symbolism etc.) D = Drosh (the truths that can only be understood by references to external sources. To Jews this means the oral traditions, but as a freethiker, I would include all external sources, the works of Zechariah Sitchin, Immanuel Velkovsky etc.) S = Sod (Secret - the things that will never be understood or explained in this life) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15740069 United States 02/09/2014 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you cant read and understand the Old Alchemy Books you wont ever understand the Bible. The "Stone" is made from Salt, Sulfur and Mercury. To join together the Body, Soul and Spirit is the Magnum Opus. The Trinity is a clue when you can read this with Eyes to See and Ears to Hear... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50999122 United States 02/09/2014 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible tells us repeatedly that it speaks in parables; allegories and is symbolic, not literal. It's because the people and the clergy take it literally, that causes so much hatred and anger, even wars. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54122863 All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spoke he not unto them: Matthew 13:34 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Psalms 78:2 And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it. But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. Mark 4:33-34 The bible even gives the meaning of one of its more familiar allegories. It's the story of Abraham, Sarah and Hagar. As the story goes, Abraham (100 years old) and his wife Sarah (90 years old) are childless. Even though Sarah was past childbearing age, God promises them a son. Sarah gets impatient and tells Abraham to take her handmaid Hagar and sire a son by her, which Abraham did. The child born to Hagar was called Ishmael, but he was not the promised son. In time, Sarah did conceive and she bore a son named Isaac, which was the child of promise. It is a spiritual child. This is how the story appears in Genesis 16 & 17. Then, in Galatians chapter 4, apostle Paul makes it abundantly clear that this story is entirely allegorical!! IT NEVER HAPPENED!! It meant something entirely different than what was said. In other words, the story was full of “sayings of old”; it had a hidden meaning. Paul goes on to tell the reader exactly what the story was really all about: Galatians 4:22-26 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants (contracts); the one from the mount Sinai, bearing children to bondage (slavery), which is Hagar.25 For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is (the present, physical Jerusalem), and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Hagar represents the left side of the brain – the physical Jerusalem; bondage, Mt. Sinai. Sarah represents the right side of the brain – the spiritual Jerusalem, the mother of us all, the invisible place of the mind/higher realm of consciousness. Hagar represents the physical realm and Sarah represents the Spiritual realm. Really ?? Again beebee OUT OF CONTEXT!! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 54122863 Canada 02/09/2014 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mark 4:11 totally disagrees with your' position. Christ Himself said only the chosen/elect (spiritually discerning)would understand the parables. The world considers the things of God "foolishness" for they follow their "daddy" "the god of this world, who now works in the sons of disobedience..". Quoting: anonymous 49447489 It's not my "position" It is what the bible says. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 54122863 Canada 02/09/2014 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Op, its not what you think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54123150 What you think you can't explain. You felt it all your life. That something is wrong with the World. That something is wrong with the Bible. par·a·ble [par-uh-buhl] noun 1.a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. Allegory = An allegory conveys its hidden message through symbolic figures, actions, imagery, and/or events. Allegory is generally treated as a figure of rhetoric; a rhetorical allegory is a demonstrative form of representation conveying meaning other than the words that are spoken. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 54122863 Canada 02/09/2014 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, are you saying the bible tells lies and archeology is truth? That is absolutely true IF you read the bible literally. When the bible itself tells you the story of Abraham and Sarah NEVER HAPPENED, are you going to claim that it did? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54112285 United Kingdom 02/09/2014 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The carnal mind cannot understand the things of God.... The carnal Israelites were given a law and, having no spiritual enlightenment, could only reduce it to works - a set of rituals, dos and donts etc. Paul confirms this "We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin". Even many Christians overlook this and thus cannot detect that all of his writings deal with physical matters translated to spiritual concepts. This is why he persecuted innocent Christians - having no enlightenment from above he could only use the law physically. Today many abstain from eating pork.....yet utterly break the spiritual meaning. Yet they think that they are righteous and that those who eat pork are in the 'wrong'. This causes needless division amongst the community of brethren. Clearly we are to interpret the OT based upon the higher understanding provided to us in the new testament, and as Christ opens up scripture to us. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 54122863 Canada 02/09/2014 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible tells us repeatedly that it speaks in parables; allegories and is symbolic, not literal. It's because the people and the clergy take it literally, that causes so much hatred and anger, even wars. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54122863 All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spoke he not unto them: Matthew 13:34 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Psalms 78:2 And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it. But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. Mark 4:33-34 The bible even gives the meaning of one of its more familiar allegories. It's the story of Abraham, Sarah and Hagar. As the story goes, Abraham (100 years old) and his wife Sarah (90 years old) are childless. Even though Sarah was past childbearing age, God promises them a son. Sarah gets impatient and tells Abraham to take her handmaid Hagar and sire a son by her, which Abraham did. The child born to Hagar was called Ishmael, but he was not the promised son. In time, Sarah did conceive and she bore a son named Isaac, which was the child of promise. It is a spiritual child. This is how the story appears in Genesis 16 & 17. Then, in Galatians chapter 4, apostle Paul makes it abundantly clear that this story is entirely allegorical!! IT NEVER HAPPENED!! It meant something entirely different than what was said. In other words, the story was full of “sayings of old”; it had a hidden meaning. Paul goes on to tell the reader exactly what the story was really all about: Galatians 4:22-26 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants (contracts); the one from the mount Sinai, bearing children to bondage (slavery), which is Hagar.25 For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is (the present, physical Jerusalem), and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Hagar represents the left side of the brain – the physical Jerusalem; bondage, Mt. Sinai. Sarah represents the right side of the brain – the spiritual Jerusalem, the mother of us all, the invisible place of the mind/higher realm of consciousness. Hagar represents the physical realm and Sarah represents the Spiritual realm. Really ?? Again beebee OUT OF CONTEXT!! The bible itself tells you the story of Abraham and Sarah NEVER HAPPENED in its literal sense. Yet, here you are, the typical "special kind of stupid person", telling me I've taken it out of context!! You want out of context, here ya go!!!! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 54122863 Canada 02/09/2014 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does not the bible tell you that its true meaning will not be understood till the "end of times?" You all seem to agree this is the "end of times", right? That tells me that the true meaning/s of the bible are just now beginning to be understood. [link to www.youtube.com] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 54122863 Canada 02/09/2014 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do to others what you want them to do to you. This is the meaning of the law of Moses and the teaching of the prophets. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48136458 That's called the Golden Rule. It is a modification of an even older adage. A better one in my opinion. "Do not do unto others that which is hateful unto thee. That is the essence of the Torah. All the rest is commentary." Rabbi Hillel (30 B.C.E - 10 C.E.) Hillel's principle is a powerful deterrent that completely avoids the language of reward and punishment. The rule as modified by Jesus is all about what WE want from others, not what is hateful and cannot be tolerated. |
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(OP) User ID: 54122863 Canada 02/09/2014 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Archeology is just another religion. dinosaurs are a hoax, they only get discovered by 'teams' of masons. The bones are fake and its a 45 billion dollar a year hoax in movies, tours, copyrights, etc. etc. Would you like to explain how the bones of a dinosaur discovered by 2 young boys playing on parents' property, can possibly be discovered by a "team of masons?" What is it that you FEAR of true knowledge? Your mind is severely enslaved by what you think and believe. You are in a state of willful denial and ignorance. [link to www.washingtonpost.com] beebee |
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(OP) User ID: 54122863 Canada 02/09/2014 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Archeology is just another religion. dinosaurs are a hoax, they only get discovered by 'teams' of masons. The bones are fake and its a 45 billion dollar a year hoax in movies, tours, copyrights, etc. etc. I hope your willful ignorance is blissful for you. [link to www.washingtonpost.com] beebee |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52859203 United States 02/09/2014 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think what Jesus was trying to teach is that you are all an aspect of him, and that when he says no one can enter the kingdom of heaven but through me he is essentially saying that you have to live like him, that is the Christ conciseness that people have to wake up to otherwise they would get sent into the lower astral plane after death because it is in tune with them vibrationally. This is why it is important to live as healthy as you can be, to give up meat and sugar and to become a Vegan. Think about it, Jesus would never drink soda or anything like that. He was a real literal person that existed on this earth before and he did die for our sins to save our souls from the lower astral and rebirth and he is saying to be like him in order to get saved. The bible is very esoteric and metaphysical if you think about it. |