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How Wolves Change Rivers

 
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nature does great w/o our interference

great vid OP
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And how long has it been since wolfs were reintroduced?
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This is why balance in the ecosystem is so vitally important......

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[link to www.youtube.com]


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This is why balance in the ecosystem is so vitally important......
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Yes! It's sad to see our oceans ecosystems out of wack.
Just think what the world would be like if all things were done with good intentions and well thought out by people that cared. The World would be so far advanced and would be a utopia for all.

No corruption, No wars...
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Exactly if people would focus their time and energy unifying and creating instead of attemting to divide and conquer we would have an amazing planet...but good ol' humanity insist on brutality...
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"When nature has work to be done, she creates a genius to do it."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

I suppose we could say that in the case of Yellowstone in 1995, that genius was the wolf.

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the real moral of the story is - the deer were able to dominate by being eating grass and not killing other animals.
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Wonderful imagery, story and effort in this ..11:11..

Thanks so much for sharing it.

I LOVE that someone has taken the time to note this, study this, and arrive at this conclusion.

It's an analogy that can be used elsewhere too, on tiny scale, right up to planetary scale.

And to me, that's the most powerful lesson in it, that everything is connected, and has a balance.

We, as the most potentially destructive influence on our living world, need to sort out what really matters, and seek balance.

Thanks for making my day ..11:11..

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YOU are ALL that important.
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Thanks for sharing this. The land belongs to all. We are to live on it together. Humans were created to tend and MAINTAIN THE BALANCE. We live from the Earth and all it offers us. Instead we have destroyed it. Awake, Awake and repair whatever corner you live in. Isn't there a Scripture that says He will destroy those that destroy the Earth? If each person did their part, we wouldn't need Agenda 21 and government telling us what to do. We have ever increasing laws because of our own failures and greed. Clean it up folks!
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went for 10 years to YSNP watched them mate in Feb and summer in evening you can go top of hill and watch them in evening gather in Lamar Valley thank for this

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I once stood face to face with one in MT we just stood for few minutes and then he ran off , very Spiritual and in Glacier saw a White one , I have gone 6 years of not touching beef because in Mt if they kill a cow they kill whole pack rant
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I also met a man he wrote a book about it will see if I can find, his plane crashed in Idaho , and each night a pack of wolves came and protected him from Bears till he was rescued , all God's creatures are great
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All except the bears in this case.
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There is up to five wolf packs here in Wa state.
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Say... maybe we should let some wolves go in Philly?
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Great find OP
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The world's longest-running predator-prey study, ongoing since 1958 on Lake Superior's semi-isolated Isle Royale, has provided invaluable insight into the populations of these animals and how their numbers vary in relation to each other. Without wolves, for example, moose overpopulate and eat trees, as noted in Nature:

Moose eat balsam fir trees. When the moose population expands, unchecked by predation, fewer fir seedlings can grow large enough to ‘escape’ into the canopy above the reach of moose and reproduce. There is already a missing generation of trees from between about 1910, when the moose arrived on the island, and 1940, when the wolves came. Most of Isle Royale’s balsam firs are thus either older than 100 years and near the end of their lives, or young and short enough to be browsed to death.
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This is an execellent pro-wolf video. It really shows how devestating deer and elk can be to important vegetation. I have always thought that re-introducing wolves was a good idea. But, there are always positive and negative effects to such processes, especially with cattle/sheep ranchers having the biggest problem with the wolves.
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lazyskate Smart ranchers follow the 3S program. Shoot, shovel and shut up.
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Poor deer.
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There is up to five wolf packs here in Wa state.
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Up to....
So about five? I'm no expert, but doesn't that kind of sound low?
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I love this thread!!! 5 star pin
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maybe we should reintroduce dinosaurs and really get back to our roots....
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Five stars under a silvery moon. aaaooooooooo!
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didn't we just spend thousands of years domesticating wolves?
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And when yellowstone burps and wipes out all the goodied nature stuffs then what? Would anyone cry for them since it was part of nature that wiped them out?

Bad waste of all that wolf fur that is going at a big buck price$ now.

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I love wolves.

I have encountered them twice in the wild. Both times in Saskatchewan , Canada.


They are much larger then you think. Much larger then a big dog such as a German Shepard or Rotwiler.


They are also very very dangerous. I was told by a native friend of mine that when he worked on the Northern Reserves in Manitoba that the wolves would attack and kill persons on the reserve.

Hmmm


I know that wolves have attacked a farmer in Saskatchewan and killed a man. Near Meadow Lake.


Nevertheless I am still fascinated by wolves.
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REAL translation…..

They are being way overly restrictive on the deer and elk hunting. ALL of that would of happened if they had allowed the hunters to better control the population.

Those same results have been, and are being achieved in Indiana and other states with zero help from wolves. In total, there was over 136 thousand deer harvested in Indiana alone in 2012

If the environmental people wasn’t waging a war against the hunters in that part of the country, none of this would have been a problem.





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