Chris claims he was shown how the demons make us think we are leaving our body:

once we have made certain choices, a demonic hydra-like group will send one demon to attach itself to you (you gave it permission in some form or other) then this being will project what other beings within the hydra are seeing, making it appear as if you are traveling out of body…

Chris Lasala: 'God Showed Me Astral Projection is From The Devil'
[link to youtu.be]

this echoes what Randall Baer says in his testimony earlier… so TWO former occultists saying the same thing. full stop.