Re: Minimum Wage -- Working People of America------UNITE! ACT! | |
CountryPumpkin
User ID: 25792098 United States 03/10/2014 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evict 30 million habla espanol parasites and wages will rise . Then heavily militarize the border and put bounties on scalps . Then wages will begin to rise. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55408475 at least there is one person on glp with a brain. Praise be allah. parasites are an apt description. sucking up resources and paying virtually nothing back into the system. it seems no can see the link between low wages & benefits and the hoard of parasitic leeches that have descended upon this country This is actually true. I did a paper in college on this very subject. The higher the mexican population in the area, the lower the wages are. This holds true whether you flip burgers or do IT work. It doesnt matter, wages are lowered actross the board. Red on the head, and fire in this thread. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23764026 United States 03/10/2014 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23764026 That's just it. It's not just workers. There has been the prevailing idea that workers should be at odds with their employers. When the fact of the matter is that the politicians and bankers (Not all of them, but many of them) are the ones keeping that idea going. (It's so that the workers and employers don't realize how much the politicians and bankers are taking from them!) Look at those getting wealth and power at present. You will find more that you can name that got it through ill means then through honest ones. Think about how many millionaires and billionaires have made their fortunes from non-profit organizations.... We need to flush the economy to clear out the parasites. To many people taking, and not enough producing. Meanwhile our media and politicians want the unemployed and working class to blame the employer. To quote Rose Perot..."There would be a giant sucking souund" of the middle class. That quote was based off of NAFTA. Which removed tarriffs and opened free trade to Mexica and Canada. The insanity of that is that NAFTA is once again a currency issue. The jobs going overseas, the imbalance in the world all has to do with currency manipulation. The average worker, and even most employers have no power to effect a currency directly. Therefore, begging and complaining about not having work, or not having a decent wage goes back to the people who have profited from currency manipulations. (Bankers and Politicians.) I understand it was referred to Nafta...but it still has merit when directed towards the abolishment of min. wage. NAFTA took money out of Americans hands either directly (those lost their jobs), and indirectly (lack of money to push through the economy. Our country is still suffering greatly due to NAFTA alone. But... How do you think inflation and deflation occurs? It is the average american whether they push the money or hold the money through the economy. They are directly tied to it, and they directly effect currency. It's much more complicated then that now. You see, the total in American wealth is actually not held by private individuals. That is why the national deficit is such a big deal. 15 Trillion dollars. In order to match that the US population of 300 million each citizen would need an actual net worth and disposable dollar value equal to 50,000 dollars. The unfortunate problem with this is debt, and net worth. Most Americans are in debt as bad as the government, and do not actually have a positive net worth. That's why I say we're presently in a currency death spiral, and raising the minimum wage will do little to ease the pain which is coming to us all. Inflation and deflation are not a result of every day Americans spending or holding their wealth. It is now a matter of robbing peter to pay Paul (Trading debt.) In my opinion our current political, economic, and cultural base has gotten so out of control, and so off base that the only fix is a crash and rebirth. Removing minimum wage now would be insane, by itself. You would also need to remove all the parasites as well, and provide an honest system of trade and currency. As it stands now, minimum wage is nothing more then a bribe in an already corrupted system. So, if you like go ahead and raise it. It doesn't actually mean anything. Now that much of our economy is a command based economy(currency manipulation, debtm, and regulation based) everything is relative to what winners and losers are picked by those that hold the power. The kings and queens will give the plebs just enough money, bread, and circuses as long as they don't riot.... getting a little more bread still doesn't fix the problem of corruption. (And many of our politicians have the gall to use terms like inequality!) |
Epic Beard Guy
User ID: 26240425 United States 03/10/2014 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I hit the work force, the mnimum wage was 90 cents. That was the last time I made minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs, they are just a start. If you can't do better than minimum wage work, you will need to learn how to live on minimum wage. I have three grown kids that never worked for minimum wage. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55412272 United States 03/10/2014 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dummies. Something is in low demand (unskilled labor). Raise the price of it! That'll help! I can't sell my turds!!! Nobody wants them! I can't make a living wage selling turds!!! What shall I do? I know...I'll raise the price of the turds....that will make me rich!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55412272 United States 03/10/2014 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I hit the work force, the mnimum wage was 90 cents. That was the last time I made minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs, they are just a start. If you can't do better than minimum wage work, you will need to learn how to live on minimum wage. I have three grown kids that never worked for minimum wage. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy They've raised the minimum wage over and over again (mainly during election years). They tell you that it will make the wage "livable". Guess what. The minimum wage is still not livable even after decades of raising it. It does not work. DOES. NOT. WORK. It is an election year gimmick a fake bribe. A carrot on a string dangled in front of your nose in exchange for a vote. |
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Epic Beard Guy
User ID: 26240425 United States 03/10/2014 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I hit the work force, the mnimum wage was 90 cents. That was the last time I made minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs, they are just a start. If you can't do better than minimum wage work, you will need to learn how to live on minimum wage. I have three grown kids that never worked for minimum wage. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy They've raised the minimum wage over and over again (mainly during election years). They tell you that it will make the wage "livable". Guess what. The minimum wage is still not livable even after decades of raising it. It does not work. DOES. NOT. WORK. It is an election year gimmick a fake bribe. A carrot on a string dangled in front of your nose in exchange for a vote. It does not work because when your employer pays more for labor, they raise the price of goods and services. This is called inflation. Your pay check looks bigger, but you pay more for everything, plus a higher tax rate. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55415903 United States 03/10/2014 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its simple really, short of fixing it with sound money we should crash the real estate down to .10 on the dollar and remove the minimum wage laws and open up the market with a floor of wages between $1 - $3 for general labor. It should be a guideline, not a law. Some would pay more and some less. From that point we would get equilibrium with China, Russia and others and be able to compete in the global market with USA made products and this would bring most of the manufacturing back and even cause countries like germany to build factories here. Simply raising minimum wages is not effective because prices just end up rising making the wage increase useless. Raising wages does nothing for anyone. It would also force more smaller businesses to close and cause more layoffs. You cant operate inside the existing system like this without more of the same, always worse. That is what has to be done if we want to keep the existing fiat money monopoly system in place. There are better options of course. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55408475 United States 03/10/2014 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: CountryPumpkin To quote Rose Perot..."There would be a giant sucking souund" of the middle class. That quote was based off of NAFTA. Which removed tarriffs and opened free trade to Mexica and Canada. The insanity of that is that NAFTA is once again a currency issue. The jobs going overseas, the imbalance in the world all has to do with currency manipulation. The average worker, and even most employers have no power to effect a currency directly. Therefore, begging and complaining about not having work, or not having a decent wage goes back to the people who have profited from currency manipulations. (Bankers and Politicians.) I understand it was referred to Nafta...but it still has merit when directed towards the abolishment of min. wage. NAFTA took money out of Americans hands either directly (those lost their jobs), and indirectly (lack of money to push through the economy. Our country is still suffering greatly due to NAFTA alone. But... How do you think inflation and deflation occurs? It is the average american whether they push the money or hold the money through the economy. They are directly tied to it, and they directly effect currency. It's much more complicated then that now. You see, the total in American wealth is actually not held by private individuals. That is why the national deficit is such a big deal. 15 Trillion dollars. In order to match that the US population of 300 million each citizen would need an actual net worth and disposable dollar value equal to 50,000 dollars. The unfortunate problem with this is debt, and net worth. Most Americans are in debt as bad as the government, and do not actually have a positive net worth. That's why I say we're presently in a currency death spiral, and raising the minimum wage will do little to ease the pain which is coming to us all. Inflation and deflation are not a result of every day Americans spending or holding their wealth. It is now a matter of robbing peter to pay Paul (Trading debt.) In my opinion our current political, economic, and cultural base has gotten so out of control, and so off base that the only fix is a crash and rebirth. Removing minimum wage now would be insane, by itself. You would also need to remove all the parasites as well, and provide an honest system of trade and currency. As it stands now, minimum wage is nothing more then a bribe in an already corrupted system. So, if you like go ahead and raise it. It doesn't actually mean anything. Now that much of our economy is a command based economy(currency manipulation, debtm, and regulation based) everything is relative to what winners and losers are picked by those that hold the power. The kings and queens will give the plebs just enough money, bread, and circuses as long as they don't riot.... getting a little more bread still doesn't fix the problem of corruption. (And many of our politicians have the gall to use terms like inequality!) Stack an export tax of 100 dollars on every ton of food that leaves america. Debt problem solved in short order. Or do you retards think fossil water is going too last forever ? The oglalla aquifer is going dry and there will be a serious depopulation event around the globe LOL |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16425255 United States 03/10/2014 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No that would require critical thought and minimum wage workers do not have criticalthinking.....Guess you are stuck in your station in life because you dont know how to be useful....By the way ...I earn $100,000+ giving away a service people need......and Im not telling you what I do because you are entitled and not worthy.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10333142 Canada 03/10/2014 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are wrong about removing politicians when removing minimum wage. They cant do anything in relation to money except raise the debt ceiling or spend it. This is above them. Funny thing is if they removed minimum wage laws the useless idiots would vote them out and replace them with someone who screws it all up again. It would be better to strip the federal reserve of its charter and never repay them and jail them to boot all while replacing their fiat currency with congressional money which would be debt free. Same goes for all countries since they are all in the same predicament. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55094373 United States 03/10/2014 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | color] Quoting: New Eve IF YOU ARE UNEMPLOYED: take any job that will hire you, and if they won't give you a decent wage, QUIT! Leave them in the lurch! Stop letting them take advantage of you by paying you a wage that is too low. So you tell unemployed people to take any job at minimum wage and then QUIT ?, why even say something stupid as this. Why even force a small business owner to pay more when its even hard on them.. Are you a card carrying communist asshole.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55415903 United States 03/10/2014 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You could not pay $16 if there were no taxes. Have you thought this through? Lets say min wage is $10 for a small business with 5 employees. That is an extra $12,480 per person not counting the added taxes you would pay. Lets call it $65,000 per year. Does a business of 6 pay that much in taxes? Not likely. Its more realistic to think they pay very little if anything. Its employees that pay taxes generally speaking. Business owners just reinvest and take deductions. |
Evil Duck
User ID: 54431900 United States 03/10/2014 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do what is right, and KNOW that God is leading you UPWARD ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ to a Better Life. God is not concerned with your wages. IF YOU ARE EMPLOYED: Speak the TRUTH on your job. ASK politely your boss and your boss's boss for what you need and what you want. Hang in there, do a good day's work, communicate truthfully and with respect with everyone around you on the job. Hang in there, but if they don't treat you nice, stay as long as you have to, then go wherever you can earn RESPECT and a BETTER WAGE. IF YOU ARE EMPLOYED: Be proactive on your job. Communicate clearly and politely and truthfully with your coworkers and your customers and your bosses (TALL ORDER, I know). But that is life, that is work. Learn something new every day from the bosses, the customers, the coworkers. If you can do all this, NOTHING CAN REALLY KEEP YOU DOWN. Give a little, invest in your future. If your not already doing everything above it would explain ones current state of unsatisfactory pay or lack of employment. These things should not be hard to do. This behavior should be part of your daily life at work and every other part of your life. Most people screw off as much as they can. Adults act like children at work and they will take advantage of as much as they can. WHOEVER YOU ARE, IF YOU ARE WORKIING IN AMERICA and NOT being paid what you are worth, we would like to hear your story. Please send us an email to [email protected]. The above is a gratuitous troll for email. The majority of people feel they are underpaid, including those who spend all day at work surfing sites like this one, LOL! |
Evil Duck
User ID: 54431900 United States 03/10/2014 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You could not pay $16 if there were no taxes. Have you thought this through? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55415903 Lets say min wage is $10 for a small business with 5 employees. That is an extra $12,480 per person not counting the added taxes you would pay. Lets call it $65,000 per year. Does a business of 6 pay that much in taxes? Not likely. Its more realistic to think they pay very little if anything. Its employees that pay taxes generally speaking. Business owners just reinvest and take deductions. You could not pay $16 if there were no taxes. Have you thought this through? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55415903 Lets say min wage is $10 for a small business with 5 employees. That is an extra $12,480 per person not counting the added taxes you would pay. Lets call it $65,000 per year. Does a business of 6 pay that much in taxes? Not likely. Its more realistic to think they pay very little if anything. Its employees that pay taxes generally speaking. Business owners just reinvest and take deductions. Business pay a ridiculous amount in taxes that you never see, you are misinformed. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 49694315 Canada 03/10/2014 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You could not pay $16 if there were no taxes. Have you thought this through? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55415903 Lets say min wage is $10 for a small business with 5 employees. That is an extra $12,480 per person not counting the added taxes you would pay. Lets call it $65,000 per year. Does a business of 6 pay that much in taxes? Not likely. Its more realistic to think they pay very little if anything. Its employees that pay taxes generally speaking. Business owners just reinvest and take deductions. I am self employed meaning without deductions I am at a 47% tax bracket so yes I know wtf im talking about. Lets just say if I as a business paid no taxes I could sub contract My work out and pay someone to do my job at 22 dollars an hour and I make 50% of what the client really pays for the service while creating a job and the employee is none the wiser. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55436363 United States 03/10/2014 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, thank you all, for posting your views. Quoting: New Eve I must say goodbye for the moment. My to-do list has only just begun, but my computer time is up! Nice to meet you Ms. Redhead. Please moderate this for me in my absence, if you can and would. I will check back in here later! Remember----------STATE YOUR POSITIONS AS CIVILLY AS YOU CAN! ha ha OP, i guess it sucks to be you. The market rates dictates how much you earn. Perhaps , if you were not earning the minimum wage, then you can buy your own internet access at home so you can access it when you are not on your job , so you can moderate it 24/7. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2417276 United States 03/11/2014 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what if my lifestyle choices weren't the best. Just because I have 8 kids, doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to have everything I want, that's not fairrrrr!!! You don't expect me to have to suffer just because I made stupid decisions, that's not fairrrrrrrr!!!!!! |
Bluebird
User ID: 44887449 United States 03/11/2014 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I hit the work force, the mnimum wage was 90 cents. That was the last time I made minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs, they are just a start. If you can't do better than minimum wage work, you will need to learn how to live on minimum wage. I have three grown kids that never worked for minimum wage. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy ^^^This^^^ Minimum wage should NOT be anybody's career plan. Those jobs are for totally unskilled labor and entry level jobs such as for kids still living at home. Most are highly on the job training type as well. Anyone trying to earn a living on minimum wage needs to upgrade their skillz so as to be worth more to an employer and then they will earn more. You ONLY hear about raising minimum wage in election years. One of the oldest tricks on the book. . One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
New Eve
(OP) User ID: 832854 United States 03/15/2014 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dummies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55412272 Something is in low demand (unskilled labor). Raise the price of it! That'll help! I can't sell my turds!!! Nobody wants them! I can't make a living wage selling turds!!! What shall I do? I know...I'll raise the price of the turds....that will make me rich!!! This is cute, but not really a true analogy for two reasons: 1) the fact is, people work for minimum wage for years for the big companies......supplying the work that is needed. How can they be unskilled when they have done this work necessary to these companies' benefit for years? They get maybe a .10 raise per year, which keeps them in the poverty level. Yet they are ensuring their companies' survival (and profit for the shareholders) with their work. Your turd analogy is not true also because 2) There are many companies that pay minimum wage and sell things constantly, for years, that are NOT turds--PLENTY OF PEOPLE BUYING THE PRODUCTS THAT ARE SOLD AT THESE MINIMUM WAGE COMPANIES, made possible by the work of people who are only making minimum wage. Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas |
New Eve
(OP) User ID: 832854 United States 03/15/2014 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, thank you all, for posting your views. Quoting: New Eve I must say goodbye for the moment. My to-do list has only just begun, but my computer time is up! Nice to meet you Ms. Redhead. Please moderate this for me in my absence, if you can and would. I will check back in here later! Remember----------STATE YOUR POSITIONS AS CIVILLY AS YOU CAN! ha ha OP, i guess it sucks to be you. The market rates dictates how much you earn. Perhaps , if you were not earning the minimum wage, then you can buy your own internet access at home so you can access it when you are not on your job , so you can moderate it 24/7. No, you have made severl incorrect aasumptions here. It does not suck to be me. I actually enjoy my life very much. If I were earning a million a year I doubt I would choose to have internet access at home because I have other more important things to do there. And I dictate what I earn because I have my own business. I make back whatever I put into my business. And I also have a job that pays slightly above minimum wage because I have earned a raise there. Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55576298 United States 03/15/2014 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I hit the work force, the mnimum wage was 90 cents. That was the last time I made minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs, they are just a start. If you can't do better than minimum wage work, you will need to learn how to live on minimum wage. I have three grown kids that never worked for minimum wage. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy ^^^This^^^ Minimum wage should NOT be anybody's career plan. Those jobs are for totally unskilled labor and entry level jobs such as for kids still living at home. Most are highly on the job training type as well. Anyone trying to earn a living on minimum wage needs to upgrade their skillz so as to be worth more to an employer and then they will earn more. You ONLY hear about raising minimum wage in election years. One of the oldest tricks on the book. . the job plan is more like min wage + 89000 in free shit money is more like it |
New Eve
(OP) User ID: 832854 United States 03/15/2014 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your wage is not the problem the value of the dollar is. Your aiming at the wrong target, try congress not your employer. Quoting: Evil Duck Do what is right, and KNOW that God is leading you UPWARD ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ to a Better Life. God is not concerned with your wages. IF YOU ARE EMPLOYED: Speak the TRUTH on your job. ASK politely your boss and your boss's boss for what you need and what you want. Hang in there, do a good day's work, communicate truthfully and with respect with everyone around you on the job. Hang in there, but if they don't treat you nice, stay as long as you have to, then go wherever you can earn RESPECT and a BETTER WAGE. IF YOU ARE EMPLOYED: Be proactive on your job. Communicate clearly and politely and truthfully with your coworkers and your customers and your bosses (TALL ORDER, I know). But that is life, that is work. Learn something new every day from the bosses, the customers, the coworkers. If you can do all this, NOTHING CAN REALLY KEEP YOU DOWN. Give a little, invest in your future. If your not already doing everything above it would explain ones current state of unsatisfactory pay or lack of employment. These things should not be hard to do. This behavior should be part of your daily life at work and every other part of your life. Most people screw off as much as they can. Adults act like children at work and they will take advantage of as much as they can. WHOEVER YOU ARE, IF YOU ARE WORKIING IN AMERICA and NOT being paid what you are worth, we would like to hear your story. Please send us an email to [email protected]. The above is a gratuitous troll for email. The majority of people feel they are underpaid, including those who spend all day at work surfing sites like this one, LOL! Well, ducky, your post seems to have missed the point of my whole post. Or maybe you just like disagreeing disagreeably for the sheer fun of it. In any case, I disagree that God does not care about my wages. Anyway, hear you next time...... Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas |
New Eve
(OP) User ID: 832854 United States 03/15/2014 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THIS THREAD IS FOR THOSE WHO ARE WORKING IN LOW-PAYING JOBS, DOING REAL PHYSICAL WORK NOT YOU POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC THEORISTS SITTING ON YOUR HUGE ASSES SHOOTING EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE DOWN FROM THE COMFORT OF YOUR ANONYMOUS COMPUTERS............... Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas |
New Eve
(OP) User ID: 832854 United States 03/15/2014 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | color] Quoting: New Eve IF YOU ARE UNEMPLOYED: take any job that will hire you, and if they won't give you a decent wage, QUIT! Leave them in the lurch! Stop letting them take advantage of you by paying you a wage that is too low. So you tell unemployed people to take any job at minimum wage and then QUIT ?, why even say something stupid as this. Why even force a small business owner to pay more when its even hard on them.. Are you a card carrying communist asshole.. You took one of my sentences out of context. If you would read the whole post you would see that I am counselling people who find themselves in low-paying jobs. But you are just floating around on GLP taking stabs at people trying to have decent conversations. Well...you will get just what you deserve. But in the meantime, just go away....This thread is not for you. Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas |
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