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What is the kingdom of god and what it is not, When you die you do not go to heaven
Is the promised restoration of Gods People through his son the messiah who came in the volume of the book and the living word of the father.That they who are his will repent and enter into the government of the Most high with Ya'shah as their king until we Get back to our promised Land of rest.This the core of all biblical teachings that Israel will be restored and the prophets and priests looked out for this prophecy even in the days days Daniel

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THE BOOK OF ACTS CHAPTER 5:29-32

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him


JOHN CAME PREACHING THE KINGDOM WHICH WAS CHRIST THE RESTORER OF HIS PEOPLE! THE ISRAELITES WERE HAPPY THEIR PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED

ZAFEF

What is the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven referring to?..Now we must understand again the words of choices used by translators, especially kjv. In old Anglo Saxon terms kingdom means Rulership over many people and land.Times gone by we had a king who ruled over his people and terrains today but we don't refer to them as kingdoms no more but by size and wealth e.g. G13 meaning the 13 richest elite empires in the world who all agree as one.



When we see the expression in the bible The kingdom of God or the Kingdom heaven it is not referring to a future place in Heaven for believers or Paradise but few times may referto the new 1000 Yr Millenium peace on earth. In order to inherit eternity in the 1000 year reign with Christ you must be subjected to the King and his stipulations regarding the commands which is an agreement to abide by the fathers laws statutes and commands.


M,JJK,J


THE BOOK OF MARK CHAPTER 9

But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Notes
How silly is that to interpret the kingdom of God as being heaven.I mean read it above what it says again,People wake up the kingdom of heaven is the submission to the authority of Christ as SAVIOR OVER HIS PEOPLE AND MANY LIVED TO SEE THAT DAY IN HIS TIME. He is the king over us believers and doers of his word and there fore we become part and share in the kingdom of heaven.Right now we are like pilgrims but when he comes our home will be established here on this earth.The lion will lie down with the lamb


The kingdom of God means the government of God and its rules for his people ISRAEL. and once they enter in not by force; but by obedience then they are entitled to enjoy the benefits of being subject to Christ rule when he comes again to pick up his jewels the chosen 144000 first and then all peoples of all nations

Preachers and teachers are putting the cart before the horse and giving people the impression that this is referring to some place in heaven for christains and that is not true as I will show from Christ himself explained this.The kingdom is the teaching of the laws and cammands and the acceptance of Christ as the son of God, that is entering the Kingdom or the realm of The most high Eh'Yeh


THE BOOK OF MATTHEW CHAPTER 12:27

And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Notes:
Christ is saying that through the power of the father working in him and given the authority as KINg and in agreement that this is the kingdom of God before you,,That they should believe that he is the Christ and obey the father's will. This is what Christ came teaching not of Himself. I will show you again another example abouot the kingdom of God


THE BOOK OF MATTHEW CHAPTER 21.33

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Christ is rebuking this nation because they heard and saw the truth but yet were hardened so he said he will reveal the teachings of his authority and rule to a people who did not know but by nature were doing the things pleasing to the Father.This was the curse of Judah that the gentiles will provke them to Jealousy that Israel will be saved,The gentiles was given the word for that
purpose. You can find this in Romans chapter 11

M,JJK,J

THE BOOK OF MARK

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.



Notes:
Master Nicodemus was alive and well he was not about to die! little humor.Christ saw in hes heart the right attitude towards the father regarding the laws and commands and encouraged him because in time he knew Master Nicodemus will believe he is the sent one from the Father to deliver his people



,
ededed

In my conclusion I will say that nobody has gone to heaven except Christ the first fruits "Corinthians chapter 15" confirms this . There is a lot more confirmation of this in the book of Rev chapter 11 there you will see the two witnesses of God going up to heaven to be the first fruits in heaven after Christ unto God."First fruits means the first"

When we die our spirits go to a place called SHEOL WHERE THERE IS PARADISE AND ALSO PLACE OF TORMENT awaiting the coming of Christ when the dead in Christ will rise first and changed in the twinkling of an eye..THESE MEN AND WOMEN WILL FORM GOD'S government and have responsibilities in paradise here on earth ....

HERE IS WHAT JESUS SAID

When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Here we see the kingdom of heaven is in the earth as the earth has been cleansed and the people purged. This is confirmed also in the book of Isaiah chapter 66 All peoples in that coming time are in the government of God in the earth..My friends do not be decieved ,paradise on earth is our destiny with the exception of the patriarchs who will be in the heavenlies whom at some point will be amongst us. Rev chapter 21 & 22


The wicked dead will remain in torment until after the 1000 year reign to be finally judged.
This is a whole new topic which I will elaborate on in another thread


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I feel so sorry for you, OP.
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I feel so sorry for you, OP.
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be sorry for yourself ..yours is a terrible road ahead
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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It's this kind of language, all the double talk and vague language that keeps people from Christianity and other Religions.

It's really sad that a wonderful message has been so distorted by man and time to make it completely un-understandable.
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I feel so sorry for you, OP.
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be sorry for yourself ..yours is a terrible road ahead
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You have the authority to make that judgment?
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I feel so sorry for you, OP.
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be sorry for yourself ..yours is a terrible road ahead
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You have the authority to make that judgment?
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not judging my road ahead is hard also...so do not feel sorry for me but be concerned about your path
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Is the promised restoration of Gods People through his son the messiah who came in the volume of the book and the living word of the father.That they who are his will repent and enter into the government of the Most high with Ya'shah as their king until we Get back to our promised Land of rest.This the core of all biblical teachings that Israel will be restored and the prophets and priests looked out for this prophecy even in the days days Daniel

:zSFDEDD:


THE BOOK OF ACTS CHAPTER 5:29-32

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him


JOHN CAME PREACHING THE KINGDOM WHICH WAS CHRIST THE RESTORER OF HIS PEOPLE! THE ISRAELITES WERE HAPPY THEIR PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED

:ZAFEF:

What is the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven referring to?..Now we must understand again the words of choices used by translators, especially kjv. In old Anglo Saxon terms kingdom means Rulership over many people and land.Times gone by we had a king who ruled over his people and terrains today but we don't refer to them as kingdoms no more but by size and wealth e.g. G13 meaning the 13 richest elite empires in the world who all agree as one.



When we see the expression in the bible The kingdom of God or the Kingdom heaven it is not referring to a future place in Heaven for believers or Paradise but few times may referto the new 1000 Yr Millenium peace on earth. In order to inherit eternity in the 1000 year reign with Christ you must be subjected to the King and his stipulations regarding the commands which is an agreement to abide by the fathers laws statutes and commands.


:M,JJK,J:


THE BOOK OF MARK CHAPTER 9

But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Notes
How silly is that to interpret the kingdom of God as being heaven.I mean read it above what it says again,People wake up the kingdom of heaven is the submission to the authority of Christ as SAVIOR OVER HIS PEOPLE AND MANY LIVED TO SEE THAT DAY IN HIS TIME. He is the king over us believers and doers of his word and there fore we become part and share in the kingdom of heaven.Right now we are like pilgrims but when he comes our home will be established here on this earth.The lion will lie down with the lamb


The kingdom of God means the government of God and its rules for his people ISRAEL. and once they enter in not by force; but by obedience then they are entitled to enjoy the benefits of being subject to Christ rule when he comes again to pick up his jewels the chosen 144000 first and then all peoples of all nations

Preachers and teachers are putting the cart before the horse and giving people the impression that this is referring to some place in heaven for christains and that is not true as I will show from Christ himself explained this.The kingdom is the teaching of the laws and cammands and the acceptance of Christ as the son of God, that is entering the Kingdom or the realm of The most high Eh'Yeh


THE BOOK OF MATTHEW CHAPTER 12:27

And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Notes:
Christ is saying that through the power of the father working in him and given the authority as KINg and in agreement that this is the kingdom of God before you,,That they should believe that he is the Christ and obey the father's will. This is what Christ came teaching not of Himself. I will show you again another example abouot the kingdom of God


THE BOOK OF MATTHEW CHAPTER 21.33

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Christ is rebuking this nation because they heard and saw the truth but yet were hardened so he said he will reveal the teachings of his authority and rule to a people who did not know but by nature were doing the things pleasing to the Father.This was the curse of Judah that the gentiles will provke them to Jealousy that Israel will be saved,The gentiles was given the word for that
purpose. You can find this in Romans chapter 11

:M,JJK,J:

THE BOOK OF MARK

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.



Notes:
Master Nicodemus was alive and well he was not about to die! little humor.Christ saw in hes heart the right attitude towards the father regarding the laws and commands and encouraged him because in time he knew Master Nicodemus will believe he is the sent one from the Father to deliver his people



,
:ededed:

In my conclusion I will say that nobody has gone to heaven except Christ the first fruits "Corinthians chapter 15" confirms this . There is a lot more confirmation of this in the book of Rev chapter 11 there you will see the two witnesses of God going up to heaven to be the first fruits in heaven after Christ unto God."First fruits means the first"

When we die our spirits go to a place called SHEOL WHERE THERE IS PARADISE AND ALSO PLACE OF TORMENT awaiting the coming of Christ when the dead in Christ will rise first and changed in the twinkling of an eye..THESE MEN AND WOMEN WILL FORM GOD'S government and have responsibilities in paradise here on earth ....

HERE IS WHAT JESUS SAID

When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Here we see the kingdom of heaven is in the earth as the earth has been cleansed and the people purged. This is confirmed also in the book of Isaiah chapter 66 All peoples in that coming time are in the government of God in the earth..My friends do not be decieved ,paradise on earth is our destiny with the exception of the patriarchs who will be in the heavenlies whom at some point will be amongst us. Rev chapter 21 & 22


The wicked dead will remain in torment until after the 1000 year reign to be finally judged.
This is a whole new topic which I will elaborate on in another thread

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So, you must be Jewish?

Do you believe and understand that Christ is the WORD, that the WORD became man and walked the earth?

Do you believe and understand that the flesh temple body of CHRIST housed the spiritual body of God Almighty, YHVH?

Do you believe and understand that Christ and the FATHER are ONE; that when Christ walked the earth his spiritual body/YHVH was his mind, who had 100% functioning brain, and therefore YHVH caused all the miracles to occur, that NO MAN in his flesh temple has a 100% functioning brain of his spiritual body; therefore, unable to do what CHRIST did when he walked the earth?

Do you believe and understand that on purpose; flesh man only has access to @ 3% of his spiritual body's 100% functioning brain....unless he has Christ abiding in him, then truth seeps through because the Holy Spirit gives you all knowledge, wisdom and truth?
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31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.


who came and took the seal from the father's hand?

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the


waiting!

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 04/04/2014 12:00 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So, what do you believe this scripture means, in your own words please.
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31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So, what do you believe this scripture means, in your own words please.
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you tell me it is very to the point..you seem to be a scholar Robert!

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 04/04/2014 12:06 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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who came and took the seal from the father's hand?

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the

Of course it was the Lamb of God, to answer your question........you seem to be quoting Revelation...except i don't get this part "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the...." which isn't in my bible!

so it must be a jewish thing...because Jews did not accept Christ when HE walked the earth, and to my knowledge today they still worship Moses law....

the law cannot save you; only the Promise of Salvation can save you...if you have the PROMISE, (Christ's Promise of salvation if you believe he is the WORD, and the WORD became Man and walked the earth, and he told you so "My Father and I are ONE"--- John 10:30 If you have the promise, you automatically live the commandments because you LOVE the law, it's second nature to loving Christ who gives you Salvation when you love him.....

so do you believe this or not?
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who came and took the seal from the father's hand?

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the

Of course it was the Lamb of God, to answer your question........you seem to be quoting Revelation...except i don't get this part "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the...." which isn't in my bible!

so it must be a jewish thing...because Jews did not accept Christ when HE walked the earth, and to my knowledge today they still worship Moses law....

the law cannot save you; only the Promise of Salvation can save you...if you have the PROMISE, (Christ's Promise of salvation if you believe he is the WORD, and the WORD became Man and walked the earth, and he told you so "My Father and I are ONE"--- John 10:30 If you have the promise, you automatically live the commandments because you LOVE the law, it's second nature to loving Christ who gives you Salvation when you love him.....

so do you believe this or not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22185790


No the law cannot save but in loving christ you observe and obey that is the love of god that you obey..So I do not know why you jumped on here with your jewish talk regarding me. Calm down and read why you think I need interogating

HE CAME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK AND HE CHANGES NOT

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So, what do you believe this scripture means, in your own words please.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22185790


you tell me it is very to the point..you seem to be a scholar Robert!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Scholar? no, the law is written on my heart....

Do you know and understand that JOHN would tarry until Christ returns? What Say ye do you believe it?

John 21:21-22
Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?

22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

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If you believe it, then what do you think John will do in this last generation of the fig tree?
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who came and took the seal from the father's hand?

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the

Of course it was the Lamb of God, to answer your question........you seem to be quoting Revelation...except i don't get this part "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the...." which isn't in my bible!

so it must be a jewish thing...because Jews did not accept Christ when HE walked the earth, and to my knowledge today they still worship Moses law....

the law cannot save you; only the Promise of Salvation can save you...if you have the PROMISE, (Christ's Promise of salvation if you believe he is the WORD, and the WORD became Man and walked the earth, and he told you so "My Father and I are ONE"--- John 10:30 If you have the promise, you automatically live the commandments because you LOVE the law, it's second nature to loving Christ who gives you Salvation when you love him.....

so do you believe this or not?
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No the law cannot save but in loving christ you observe and obey that is the love of god that you obey..So I do not know why you jumped on here with your jewish talk regarding me. Calm down and read why you think I need interogating

HE CAME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK AND HE CHANGES NOT
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So, what do you believe this scripture means, in your own words please.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22185790


you tell me it is very to the point..you seem to be a scholar Robert!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Scholar? no, the law is written on my heart....

Do you know and understand that JOHN would tarry until Christ returns? What Say ye do you believe it?

John 21:21-22
Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?

22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

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If you believe it, then what do you think John will do in this last generation of the fig tree?
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Well if you say it is then then exercise it..you people don't fool me one bit .I see you posting that silliness about ham seeds are cursed that is a lie..Canaan was the son who was cursed because he messed with hams woman

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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who came and took the seal from the father's hand?

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the

Of course it was the Lamb of God, to answer your question........you seem to be quoting Revelation...except i don't get this part "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the...." which isn't in my bible!

so it must be a jewish thing...because Jews did not accept Christ when HE walked the earth, and to my knowledge today they still worship Moses law....

the law cannot save you; only the Promise of Salvation can save you...if you have the PROMISE, (Christ's Promise of salvation if you believe he is the WORD, and the WORD became Man and walked the earth, and he told you so "My Father and I are ONE"--- John 10:30 If you have the promise, you automatically live the commandments because you LOVE the law, it's second nature to loving Christ who gives you Salvation when you love him.....

so do you believe this or not?
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No the law cannot save but in loving christ you observe and obey that is the love of god that you obey..So I do not know why you jumped on here with your jewish talk regarding me. Calm down and read why you think I need interogating

HE CAME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK AND HE CHANGES NOT
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Sorry to be so blunt, it's just that i don't believe you really believe what you have posted...for instance many have gone to Heaven, who have passed through this second earth age....they are not in a grave in the ground, waiting to Christ to return, so, therefore, i believe you may be Jewish, who do not believe in Christ.....

It is also for the House of Israel, Joseph, to begin to gather the Nation of Israel back together in preparation of the return of Christ Ezekiel who was sent to the House of Israel to tell them the truth of Satan, and prepare them for the end ...Chapter 37 tells us this, so we who are in this last generation need to begin to teach Judah the truth is why all my quesions to you, for you seem to know but i don't think you actually believe it....maybe i am wrong?
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who came and took the seal from the father's hand?

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the

Of course it was the Lamb of God, to answer your question........you seem to be quoting Revelation...except i don't get this part "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the...." which isn't in my bible!

so it must be a jewish thing...because Jews did not accept Christ when HE walked the earth, and to my knowledge today they still worship Moses law....

the law cannot save you; only the Promise of Salvation can save you...if you have the PROMISE, (Christ's Promise of salvation if you believe he is the WORD, and the WORD became Man and walked the earth, and he told you so "My Father and I are ONE"--- John 10:30 If you have the promise, you automatically live the commandments because you LOVE the law, it's second nature to loving Christ who gives you Salvation when you love him.....

so do you believe this or not?
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No the law cannot save but in loving christ you observe and obey that is the love of god that you obey..So I do not know why you jumped on here with your jewish talk regarding me. Calm down and read why you think I need interogating

HE CAME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK AND HE CHANGES NOT
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Sorry to be so blunt, it's just that i don't believe you really believe what you have posted...for instance many have gone to Heaven, who have passed through this second earth age....they are not in a grave in the ground, waiting to Christ to return, so, therefore, i believe you may be Jewish, who do not believe in Christ.....

It is also for the House of Israel, Joseph, to begin to gather the Nation of Israel back together in preparation of the return of Christ Ezekiel who was sent to the House of Israel to tell them the truth of Satan, and prepare them for the end ...Chapter 37 tells us this, so we who are in this last generation need to begin to teach Judah the truth is why all my quesions to you, for you seem to know but i don't think you actually believe it....maybe i am wrong?
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Well if you say it is then then exercise it..you people don't fool me one bit .I see you posting that silliness about ham seeds are cursed that is a lie..Canaan was the son who was cursed because he messed with hams woman
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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who came and took the seal from the father's hand?

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the

Of course it was the Lamb of God, to answer your question........you seem to be quoting Revelation...except i don't get this part "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the...." which isn't in my bible!

so it must be a jewish thing...because Jews did not accept Christ when HE walked the earth, and to my knowledge today they still worship Moses law....

the law cannot save you; only the Promise of Salvation can save you...if you have the PROMISE, (Christ's Promise of salvation if you believe he is the WORD, and the WORD became Man and walked the earth, and he told you so "My Father and I are ONE"--- John 10:30 If you have the promise, you automatically live the commandments because you LOVE the law, it's second nature to loving Christ who gives you Salvation when you love him.....

so do you believe this or not?
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No the law cannot save but in loving christ you observe and obey that is the love of god that you obey..So I do not know why you jumped on here with your jewish talk regarding me. Calm down and read why you think I need interogating

HE CAME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK AND HE CHANGES NOT
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Sorry to be so blunt, it's just that i don't believe you really believe what you have posted...for instance many have gone to Heaven, who have passed through this second earth age....they are not in a grave in the ground, waiting to Christ to return, so, therefore, i believe you may be Jewish, who do not believe in Christ.....

SCRIPTURE AND VERSE PLEASE!


It is also for the House of Israel, Joseph, to begin to gather the Nation of Israel back together in preparation of the return of Christ Ezekiel who was sent to the House of Israel to tell them the truth of Satan, and prepare them for the end ...Chapter 37 tells us this, so we who are in this last generation need to begin to teach Judah the truth is why all my quesions to you, for you seem to know but i don't think you actually believe it....maybe i am wrong?
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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No the law cannot save but in loving christ you observe and obey that is the love of god that you obey..So I do not know why you jumped on here with your jewish talk regarding me. Calm down and read why you think I need interogating

HE CAME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK AND HE CHANGES NOT
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Sorry to be so blunt, it's just that i don't believe you really believe what you have posted...for instance many have gone to Heaven, who have passed through this second earth age....they are not in a grave in the ground, waiting to Christ to return, so, therefore, i believe you may be Jewish, who do not believe in Christ.....

It is also for the House of Israel, Joseph, to begin to gather the Nation of Israel back together in preparation of the return of Christ Ezekiel who was sent to the House of Israel to tell them the truth of Satan, and prepare them for the end ...Chapter 37 tells us this, so we who are in this last generation need to begin to teach Judah the truth is why all my quesions to you, for you seem to know but i don't think you actually believe it....maybe i am wrong?
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Well if you say it is then then exercise it..you people don't fool me one bit .I see you posting that silliness about ham seeds are cursed that is a lie..Canaan was the son who was cursed because he messed with hams woman
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No, that is not the truth...Ham did uncover Noah's nakedness...that's scripture...meaning Ham slept with his mother, Noah's wife, and a child was born from that UNION, Canaan..Genesis 9:22 thereabout..therefore Ham and all his decendants carry Noah's curse, that the Father supports because Noah was a pure heart....whatever a pure heart requests of the Father, it happens!

Ham left the ARK and traveled into Africa where his descendants are of the black race. Just look at the black race in Africa...they rape women at will....this is why so many children are starving...black men cannot control their lust....it's a curse, like it or not, it was put in motion by Noah, and it cannot be changed.
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YOU SERPENTS ALWAYS COME AS ACCUSERS..HERE IS PROOF THAT YOU ARE TELLING A LIE HERE IS PROOF THAT THE 144000 ON THE TIME OF CHRIST RETURN WILL BE THE FIRST FRUITS IN ZION UNTO GOD AND CHRIST AND WILL ALWAYS BE WITH CHRIST.

REV 14
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Rev 14:2

And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

Rev 14:3

And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Rev 14:4

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


These are the ones he called up come up hither in revelation chapter 11 his witnesses The two sticks coming as one.. ezekiel chapter 57
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Sorry to be so blunt, it's just that i don't believe you really believe what you have posted...for instance many have gone to Heaven, who have passed through this second earth age....they are not in a grave in the ground, waiting to Christ to return, so, therefore, i believe you may be Jewish, who do not believe in Christ.....

It is also for the House of Israel, Joseph, to begin to gather the Nation of Israel back together in preparation of the return of Christ Ezekiel who was sent to the House of Israel to tell them the truth of Satan, and prepare them for the end ...Chapter 37 tells us this, so we who are in this last generation need to begin to teach Judah the truth is why all my quesions to you, for you seem to know but i don't think you actually believe it....maybe i am wrong?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22185790


Well if you say it is then then exercise it..you people don't fool me one bit .I see you posting that silliness about ham seeds are cursed that is a lie..Canaan was the son who was cursed because he messed with hams woman
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No, that is not the truth...Ham did uncover Noah's nakedness...that's scripture...meaning Ham slept with his mother, Noah's wife, and a child was born from that UNION, Canaan..Genesis 9:22 thereabout..therefore Ham and all his decendants carry Noah's curse, that the Father supports because Noah was a pure heart....whatever a pure heart requests of the Father, it happens!

Ham left the ARK and traveled into Africa where his descendants are of the black race. Just look at the black race in Africa...they rape women at will....this is why so many children are starving...black men cannot control their lust....it's a curse, like it or not, it was put in motion by Noah, and it cannot be changed.
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You are wrong and a liar! lying on scriptures. get off my thread devil!shark

Ham uncovered him yes but the curse is on caanan and canaan went on also to mess with his woman

genesis 9 20-27

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan;
a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.

29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.


Cursed be Canaan;
A servant of servants


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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keep trying robert no matter what form you appear in I know you! I have scriptures to tear down your lies Imp!

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Jesus tells us that the Pharisees are NOT LETTING PEOPLE "ENTER" the Kingdom of Heaven because they do not enter it themselves.

They are keeping you out NOW.

Why? Jesus tells us through parables what the Kingdom of Heaven is "LIKE"......

How it operates.

By pastors and such teaching that heaven is someplace we go AFTER we die, once again they are keeping you from entering NOW. Same as a Pharisee.

This is why Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is "LIKE" a woman (church) who took leaven (hypocrisy, Pharisee teachings) and HID it in the dough until it was ALL throughout.

Our teachings are FULL OF HYPOCRISY AND PHARISEE TEACHINGS.

In Genesis 6, the LORD also said that their WAY was corrupted.

Jesus is THE WAY.

It will be the same as in the days of. Noah.
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Jesus tells us that the Pharisees are NOT LETTING PEOPLE "ENTER" the Kingdom of Heaven because they do not enter it themselves.

They are keeping you out NOW.

Why? Jesus tells us through parables what the Kingdom of Heaven is "LIKE"......

How it operates.

By pastors and such teaching that heaven is someplace we go AFTER we die, once again they are keeping you from entering NOW. Same as a Pharisee.

This is why Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is "LIKE" a woman (church) who took leaven (hypocrisy, Pharisee teachings) and HID it in the dough until it was ALL throughout.

Our teachings are FULL OF HYPOCRISY AND PHARISEE TEACHINGS.

In Genesis 6, the LORD also said that their WAY was corrupted.

Jesus is THE WAY.

It will be the same as in the days of. Noah.
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Thank you for your iNput and quite agreed..but be mindful when we say Christ is the way this has a deeper meaning.It means he Christ the living word of the father.We must obey the spoken word which Christ represented. So the obedience to the word is the way to the father.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Jesus tells us that the Pharisees are NOT LETTING PEOPLE "ENTER" the Kingdom of Heaven because they do not enter it themselves.

They are keeping you out NOW.

Why? Jesus tells us through parables what the Kingdom of Heaven is "LIKE"......

How it operates.

By pastors and such teaching that heaven is someplace we go AFTER we die, once again they are keeping you from entering NOW. Same as a Pharisee.

This is why Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is "LIKE" a woman (church) who took leaven (hypocrisy, Pharisee teachings) and HID it in the dough until it was ALL throughout.

Our teachings are FULL OF HYPOCRISY AND PHARISEE TEACHINGS.

In Genesis 6, the LORD also said that their WAY was corrupted.

Jesus is THE WAY.

It will be the same as in the days of. Noah.
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Thank you for your iNput and quite agreed..but be mindful when we say Christ is the way this has a deeper meaning.It means he Christ the living word of the father.We must obey the spoken word which Christ represented. So the obedience to the word is the way to the father.
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You are welcome. There were lots of "ways" spoken of in the OT.

Jesus being "THE Way" is hugely deep. He tells us the issue is in NOT believing into Him. Some profess faith, but they do not believe. "Convict the world of sin, because they do not believe".

Said to the woman caught in adultery "From now, go and sin no more.". How many of them reading actually repent and stop themselves? Not many because they aren't believing .


Jesus speaks that which He hears from God
Jesus speaks that which he sees from the Father

We MUST worship in Spirit and Truth. MUST.

For what is the law (torah) without the Spirit?

"I desire mercy, not sacrafice"

If a Pharisee can convince someone that they cannot offer healing on the Sabbath, they have you worshipping someone other than the true God.
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keep trying robert no matter what form you appear in I know you! I have scriptures to tear down your lies Imp!
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cruisenorespect

I get great amusement at you accusing all those many different people of being me. popcorn

It really makes you sound like the deranged lunatic you really are.
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another fake account you use to give red karma..at least now this one of many will get banned also
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Serious question - have you gone through your closet checking the labels on all of your clothes to make sure they are not made of two different fabrics?
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Serious question - have you gone through your closet checking the labels on all of your clothes to make sure they are not made of two different fabrics?
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question: did you do a heart check before you posted this question?
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Is the promised restoration of Gods People through his son the messiah who came in the volume of the book and the living word of the father.That they who are his will repent and enter into the government of the Most high with Ya'shah as their king until we Get back to our promised Land of rest.This the core of all biblical teachings that Israel will be restored and the prophets and priests looked out for this prophecy even in the days days Daniel

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THE BOOK OF ACTS CHAPTER 5:29-32

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him


JOHN CAME PREACHING THE KINGDOM WHICH WAS CHRIST THE RESTORER OF HIS PEOPLE! THE ISRAELITES WERE HAPPY THEIR PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED

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What is the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven referring to?..Now we must understand again the words of choices used by translators, especially kjv. In old Anglo Saxon terms kingdom means Rulership over many people and land.Times gone by we had a king who ruled over his people and terrains today but we don't refer to them as kingdoms no more but by size and wealth e.g. G13 meaning the 13 richest elite empires in the world who all agree as one.



When we see the expression in the bible The kingdom of God or the Kingdom heaven it is not referring to a future place in Heaven for believers or Paradise but few times may referto the new 1000 Yr Millenium peace on earth. In order to inherit eternity in the 1000 year reign with Christ you must be subjected to the King and his stipulations regarding the commands which is an agreement to abide by the fathers laws statutes and commands.


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THE BOOK OF MARK CHAPTER 9

But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Notes
How silly is that to interpret the kingdom of God as being heaven.I mean read it above what it says again,People wake up the kingdom of heaven is the submission to the authority of Christ as SAVIOR OVER HIS PEOPLE AND MANY LIVED TO SEE THAT DAY IN HIS TIME. He is the king over us believers and doers of his word and there fore we become part and share in the kingdom of heaven.Right now we are like pilgrims but when he comes our home will be established here on this earth.The lion will lie down with the lamb


The kingdom of God means the government of God and its rules for his people ISRAEL. and once they enter in not by force; but by obedience then they are entitled to enjoy the benefits of being subject to Christ rule when he comes again to pick up his jewels the chosen 144000 first and then all peoples of all nations

Preachers and teachers are putting the cart before the horse and giving people the impression that this is referring to some place in heaven for christains and that is not true as I will show from Christ himself explained this.The kingdom is the teaching of the laws and cammands and the acceptance of Christ as the son of God, that is entering the Kingdom or the realm of The most high Eh'Yeh


THE BOOK OF MATTHEW CHAPTER 12:27

And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Notes:
Christ is saying that through the power of the father working in him and given the authority as KINg and in agreement that this is the kingdom of God before you,,That they should believe that he is the Christ and obey the father's will. This is what Christ came teaching not of Himself. I will show you again another example abouot the kingdom of God


THE BOOK OF MATTHEW CHAPTER 21.33

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Christ is rebuking this nation because they heard and saw the truth but yet were hardened so he said he will reveal the teachings of his authority and rule to a people who did not know but by nature were doing the things pleasing to the Father.This was the curse of Judah that the gentiles will provke them to Jealousy that Israel will be saved,The gentiles was given the word for that
purpose. You can find this in Romans chapter 11

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THE BOOK OF MARK

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.



Notes:
Master Nicodemus was alive and well he was not about to die! little humor.Christ saw in hes heart the right attitude towards the father regarding the laws and commands and encouraged him because in time he knew Master Nicodemus will believe he is the sent one from the Father to deliver his people



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In my conclusion I will say that nobody has gone to heaven except Christ the first fruits "Corinthians chapter 15" confirms this . There is a lot more confirmation of this in the book of Rev chapter 11 there you will see the two witnesses of God going up to heaven to be the first fruits in heaven after Christ unto God."First fruits means the first"

When we die our spirits go to a place called SHEOL WHERE THERE IS PARADISE AND ALSO PLACE OF TORMENT awaiting the coming of Christ when the dead in Christ will rise first and changed in the twinkling of an eye..THESE MEN AND WOMEN WILL FORM GOD'S government and have responsibilities in paradise here on earth ....

HERE IS WHAT JESUS SAID

When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Here we see the kingdom of heaven is in the earth as the earth has been cleansed and the people purged. This is confirmed also in the book of Isaiah chapter 66 All peoples in that coming time are in the government of God in the earth..My friends do not be decieved ,paradise on earth is our destiny with the exception of the patriarchs who will be in the heavenlies whom at some point will be amongst us. Rev chapter 21 & 22


The wicked dead will remain in torment until after the 1000 year reign to be finally judged.
This is a whole new topic which I will elaborate on in another thread

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I agree in part with some of your kingdom of God, Kingdom of heaven, concept. These are two different positions and lacking in one, eliminates the other. I believe these two kingdoms represents: (One) A place within the kingdom. (Two) A position within the kingdom.

As the Lord made it clear to Nicodemus. "Except a MAN (used in the generic vernacular) be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God [John.3:3kjv]." This is referring to a position, not an abode.) However, when Jesus spoke of the heavenly kingdom he was revealing a habitation.

"For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee."[Matt.11:10kjv] Now, let us observe the insight-fulness, of God's word in the next verse and the revealing of the multiple meaning of its lineal span of time/purpose/position/abode/and the dual messengers to come forth out of it.

Verily, I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven
(a PLACE) is greater than he. This verse has absolutely nothing to do with the saints born after John the Baptist, as interpreters claim, and most believe. This is not talking about all those backslid-en, half -hearted servants of Christ. Barely entering into the kingdom. These are not the ones that are greater than John! These are not the HE (singular) that is least in the kingdom of heaven! That one is greater than John/Elijah symbolism.

There was only one human remaining in the heavenly abode, in the flesh, at that time, that was greater than Elijah/John. That man was Enoch! Why was he the least in the kingdom of heaven (a Place)? Because, he in the flesh was surrounded by the spiritual in that abode, and spiritual beings are far greater in every area than fleshly beings. Therefore, at that moment Enoch rested in the flesh, waiting for the return of that messenger John/Elijah and was the least in the kingdom of heaven being in the flesh.

Now, to further verify how great God considers this man to be, as that other future messenger retuning with Elijah in the end days. The word declares about him, that he is also the greatest in the kingdom of God (POSITION) among the saints [Luke.7:28kjv]. In that verse [Luke.7:28] "least in the kingdom of God," the meaning of least in this verse..refers to the least/last in the kingdom. For he that is last shall be first, and the first shall be last. So these few verses are revealing both messengers for those days and there place/position and for the end days as well shall those two prepare Christ return.

Now, concerning whether we as saints go to heaven after death. I say it is Scriptural and that is all that is needful: To be absent from he body is to be present with the Lord [2Cor.5:8]. The moment we (His children die) we are where he is, and the last I heard... Jesus is in heaven (a place) with the Father. That is where we go after our immediate death, and we (His children) are not living on the streets...Jesus said "I go to prepare a place for you, and if I go to prepare a place I shall return to receive you unto myself [John.14:2-3].

Not to be contentious toward you. I read many of your thoughts concerning Scripture. I do not always agree with your discernment of the Word. Nevertheless, I often appreciate your insight of the meaning of the Word and its purpose. God Bless.





GLP