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The Vegans ... are you one

 
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I'm vegan.

but there's no diet better than breatharianism
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I love how you express your rage for us using
our fiery against us?

comprehendo?

Try to feel?

How many murdered animals did you eat today?

How many of your family members are being tortured
so that you can be, chill?

middle finger
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882


I ate 4 whole eggs (oh my!), some organic free range chicken (oh dear!). If I'm feeling frisky I may have more meat later.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44206808


Satanic Agenda.
Nothing new.

You eat abortions, chicken periods and dead animals.
Wow
you must be so proud.

LOL!

You are disgusting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882


I am proud. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm chicken abortions
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I have a question for the satanic agenda?
What creatures WONT you eat?

I mean you eat bugs, animals, chicken abortions, chicken periods, cow mucus, and all kinds of toxic chemicals,
so
what's off limits? Anything?
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The only vegan I know is a female who is always depressed and crying. She wont touch an egg but will eat Asian noodles all day long. Those healthy noodles that turn to sugar in your body like most other processed carbs. And she wonders why she cant meet a guy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44206808


She's probably gay.

and you are insane.

I can understand why she is not attracted to YOU.

;) Go eat a squirrel? Squirrel pizza?
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cruise Youre hilarious
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THANKS!
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I am a Personal Trainer who specializes in Strength Training.

My worst performing client is a raw vegan. She trains just as hard as my other clients, similar programs, dedicated etc. She owns a health store so takes all the right supplements, she sleeps well, is still young enough to expect decent gains, however she progresses the slowest.

She has been raw vegan for 15 years. She tells me when she was in her 20's she had great health and looked good while eating raw vegan. My response is most people in there 20's have great health and look good.

In the last decade she has consistently got fatter (she is of small build, and has what is commonly referred to as a 'skinny fat' build) and she is often sick - she blames this on being exposed to sick people at her shop all the time (she is a germ freak).
She came to me 6 months ago to get strong. I am really struggling to make progress with her, I have been PTing for 5 years and have never had anyone progress this slow, even people that train 1x a week and party all weekend are doing better than her.

I have only ever trained one vegan. But based on my own experiences the key variable is diet.

And from my n=1 study I would have to suggest that a raw vegan diet for LONG TERM use is not suitable for general health, fat loss, or muscle gain.


Side note - I love my vegetables, however I just let the animals do all the chewing for me :P
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I went vegan 8-9 years ago. To the parent of the vegan, you should let your child do her own thing. If she discovered your betrayal, she may not take care of you in your old age. Don't betray the choices of others.
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Thanks, I ask her if I can butter her toast and sometimes she agrees but still won't eat it. She doesn't like anything else on it. She'll eat eggs and I scramble those in butter but it's not an every day thing. She finally started eating the yolk in hard boiled eggs too thank goodness! Thanks, if she sticks with it as she gets older, she had no idea she's a vegan it's not something she consciously chose, I wouldn't interfere in her eating. I hated it when my parents insisted I eat something I didn't have a taste for.
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well STOP trying to sneak animal fat into her food you piece of shit. your child is trying to educate your dead ass. PROTEIN FROM ANIMALS IS A LIE!!!!
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World Class Cunts trying to brainwash their kids into
believing their pathetic lies! Murder is so disgusting!
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The only vegan I know is a female who is always depressed and crying. She wont touch an egg but will eat Asian noodles all day long. Those healthy noodles that turn to sugar in your body like most other processed carbs. And she wonders why she cant meet a guy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44206808


She's probably gay.

and you are insane.

I can understand why she is not attracted to YOU.

;) Go eat a squirrel? Squirrel pizza?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882


I'm in the same situation trying to win this Vegan girls heart but for some reason she got mad at me due to not showing my feelings of love to her and this has been really diffifficult for me to do so. She's depressed and cries a lot too.
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I am a Personal Trainer who specializes in Strength Training.

My worst performing client is a raw vegan. She trains just as hard as my other clients, similar programs, dedicated etc. She owns a health store so takes all the right supplements, she sleeps well, is still young enough to expect decent gains, however she progresses the slowest.

She has been raw vegan for 15 years. She tells me when she was in her 20's she had great health and looked good while eating raw vegan. My response is most people in there 20's have great health and look good.

In the last decade she has consistently got fatter (she is of small build, and has what is commonly referred to as a 'skinny fat' build) and she is often sick - she blames this on being exposed to sick people at her shop all the time (she is a germ freak).
She came to me 6 months ago to get strong. I am really struggling to make progress with her, I have been PTing for 5 years and have never had anyone progress this slow, even people that train 1x a week and party all weekend are doing better than her.

I have only ever trained one vegan. But based on my own experiences the key variable is diet.

And from my n=1 study I would have to suggest that a raw vegan diet for LONG TERM use is not suitable for general health, fat loss, or muscle gain.


Side note - I love my vegetables, however I just let the animals do all the chewing for me :P
 Quoting: Antipodean


What a crock of shit.

Satanic bullshit.

The fact is a vegan diet cures many diseases, lifts the spirit and is excellent for the BODY.

We are not supposed to torture animals and eat them.

Tell that story to your children.

I'm pretty sure there aren't too many childrens books
detailing the way you fucks kill animals, abuse animals,
poison torture and sell them and also market them.

You fucks are outta control and so heartless.

You need a compassion work out.

Obviously you are failing with that, this thread
is the evidence.
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The only vegan I know is a female who is always depressed and crying. She wont touch an egg but will eat Asian noodles all day long. Those healthy noodles that turn to sugar in your body like most other processed carbs. And she wonders why she cant meet a guy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44206808


She's probably gay.

and you are insane.

I can understand why she is not attracted to YOU.

;) Go eat a squirrel? Squirrel pizza?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882


I'm in the same situation trying to win this Vegan girls heart but for some reason she got mad at me due to not showing my feelings of love to her and this has been really diffifficult for me to do so. She's depressed and cries a lot too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52859203


I'm a vegan and I won't date a fucking meat eater.
Are you serious?

I don't give my heart and soul to people who DON'T
HAVE ONE ALREADY.
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What vegans don't understand is that when you eat tons of vegetables, you're eating tons of bug spray.

This is even worse when juicing as you're getting concentrated amounts of bug killer from the vegetables.

Ask Glenn Beck. As soon as he went vegan, he started going blind and having all kinds of nerve issues.

I know vegans who have cancer and some that have all those symptoms. They say they try to eat only organic but you can't make money without using some sort of bug killer to control pests.

Vegan = Poisoning yourself with nerve agents.
Jucing = Poisoning yourself with concentrated poisons.
These are the root keys of reality...

1. Life - The Constructor (God)
2. Love - A System of Self Regulation (the system of God)
3. Law - The Definition of the Boundaries of Love.
4. Death - The Deconstructor (A Lifeless and Unkillable entity designed to protect Life from entities that violate the system of Love, taking those that perform evoL Away from Life into Death (Suspened Animation) to await Judgement. Built as the ultimate protector of God it is a Machine.)
5. Competition - The System of Self Regulation of The Deconstructor (A system divided against itself in which every entity is a victim of another in competition to win)

... and The Deconstructor not having Love, was instead given a definition of it... Law... and as the "Law Enforcer" with its army... uses LAW to identify Anti-Love (evoL), reporting to God seeking Authority to act against the violator. It was found to be UnJust by performing Anti-Love by telling Eve a Truth... a truth that was not in her best interest, that she would become like God if she ate from the tree of Knowledge while leaving out critical information that would allow her to make the correct decision... in order that the Deconstructor might take ownership of her and everything that she produced because she broke the Law, taking them into its kingdom, The Kingdom of Death.

Creation, the soil in which the seed of the original action of Satan is grown into its fullness so each branch and its every fruit fully viewed and understood can be rightfully judged, and 'Time' the mechanism that forces the calculation to reach its conclusion. The 'Mercy' phase, between violation, and suspended animation (death), where the violator can ask for forgiveness, the Army of Death performed Anti-Love (evoL) to humans in their charge, violating Law. Satan will be imprisoned for his action for 1000 years, while the earth is restarted, where after those years, released only to perform evoL again for the second time convicting him to deconstruction. Having no life of his own to take as payment, Satan becomes the lake of fire that burns forever as he attempts to enforce the Law upon himself and his Army.
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Romans 14:2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

One of my children is mostly vegan, it just came naturally to her. I try to sneak in as much animal fat as I can into her diet and we've discussed how important it is for her to eat a complete protein so I have some special food for her that helps meet her needs.
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You sound like a very open minded concerned parent. Vitamin MK-4 can only be derived from animal sources and is very important for human health.
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What vegans don't understand is that when you eat tons of vegetables, you're eating tons of bug spray.

This is even worse when juicing as you're getting concentrated amounts of bug killer from the vegetables.

Ask Glenn Beck. As soon as he went vegan, he started going blind and having all kinds of nerve issues.

I know vegans who have cancer and some that have all those symptoms. They say they try to eat only organic but you can't make money without using some sort of bug killer to control pests.

Vegan = Poisoning yourself with nerve agents.
Jucing = Poisoning yourself with concentrated poisons.
 Quoting: ARCLIGHT01


PROPAGANDISTTTT

what happens when vegans grow their own food?

checkmate, fool.
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Romans 14:2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

One of my children is mostly vegan, it just came naturally to her. I try to sneak in as much animal fat as I can into her diet and we've discussed how important it is for her to eat a complete protein so I have some special food for her that helps meet her needs.
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You sound like a very open minded concerned parent. Vitamin MK-4 can only be derived from animal sources and is very important for human health.
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THAT'S the book talking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meat eaters are the most brainwashed idiots
on
the
planet!

Cannot think for themselves!
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I am a Personal Trainer who specializes in Strength Training.

My worst performing client is a raw vegan. She trains just as hard as my other clients, similar programs, dedicated etc. She owns a health store so takes all the right supplements, she sleeps well, is still young enough to expect decent gains, however she progresses the slowest.

She has been raw vegan for 15 years. She tells me when she was in her 20's she had great health and looked good while eating raw vegan. My response is most people in there 20's have great health and look good.

In the last decade she has consistently got fatter (she is of small build, and has what is commonly referred to as a 'skinny fat' build) and she is often sick - she blames this on being exposed to sick people at her shop all the time (she is a germ freak).
She came to me 6 months ago to get strong. I am really struggling to make progress with her, I have been PTing for 5 years and have never had anyone progress this slow, even people that train 1x a week and party all weekend are doing better than her.

I have only ever trained one vegan. But based on my own experiences the key variable is diet.

And from my n=1 study I would have to suggest that a raw vegan diet for LONG TERM use is not suitable for general health, fat loss, or muscle gain.


Side note - I love my vegetables, however I just let the animals do all the chewing for me :P
 Quoting: Antipodean


What a crock of shit.

Satanic bullshit.

The fact is a vegan diet cures many diseases, lifts the spirit and is excellent for the BODY.

We are not supposed to torture animals and eat them.

Tell that story to your children.

I'm pretty sure there aren't too many childrens books
detailing the way you fucks kill animals, abuse animals,
poison torture and sell them and also market them.

You fucks are outta control and so heartless.

You need a compassion work out.

Obviously you are failing with that, this thread
is the evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882



Why would I make something like this up. I personally don't give a rats ass what people eat or believe in. I'm just telling you what I see.
And I know based on experience in my industry for people to achieve their goals as a power lifter or bodybuilder they are going to have more chance succeeding by consuming animal products.
Yes I know there are vegan athletes out there, but I am certain that the best athletes in all the strength sports are meat eaters. That is the angle I am coming from.

Regarding the health side of things, I value my health alot more than most. I spend alot of money and time on my food and nutrition. I personally prepare about 95% of all the meals I eat. If i eat out it is only very simple foods.

You could not pay me to eat some grain fed hormone filled beef from a factory. I only eat meat from farmers I know. I know for a fact that they are treated kindly, fed well with plenty of grass and when they are killed it is in the most humane way possible with no stress to the animal (as I know this affects meat quality), my diary comes from an organic farm where cows are only milked once a day, and my eggs are from free range happy chickens. I eat plenty of organic veges and often treat myself to vegan desserts. I eat alot of fermented foods, bone broths, and organ meats, but once again it is only the best quality food.

I grew up on a farm and I have pets. My priority is health and to succeed in my sports. At the moment I am achieving both while eating meat and diary. I'm not hating on vegans, I'm just telling you what I observe.
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What vegans don't understand is that when you eat tons of vegetables, you're eating tons of bug spray.

This is even worse when juicing as you're getting concentrated amounts of bug killer from the vegetables.

Ask Glenn Beck. As soon as he went vegan, he started going blind and having all kinds of nerve issues.

I know vegans who have cancer and some that have all those symptoms. They say they try to eat only organic but you can't make money without using some sort of bug killer to control pests.

Vegan = Poisoning yourself with nerve agents.
Jucing = Poisoning yourself with concentrated poisons.
 Quoting: ARCLIGHT01


I will give you a few points.

It's true, much the food has been contaminated.

It's up to the INDIVIDUAL to be a smart shopper
and/or grower.

still though, you aren't giving vegans the credit
they deserve.. they are more advanced in their hearts
and want also to improve life for animals.

It's just a simple fact.
Meat eaters have a real problem with compassion.
It's demonic.
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What vegans don't understand is that when you eat tons of vegetables, you're eating tons of bug spray.

This is even worse when juicing as you're getting concentrated amounts of bug killer from the vegetables.

Ask Glenn Beck. As soon as he went vegan, he started going blind and having all kinds of nerve issues.

I know vegans who have cancer and some that have all those symptoms. They say they try to eat only organic but you can't make money without using some sort of bug killer to control pests.

Vegan = Poisoning yourself with nerve agents.
Jucing = Poisoning yourself with concentrated poisons.
 Quoting: ARCLIGHT01


PROPAGANDISTTTT

what happens when vegans grow their own food?

checkmate, fool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882


99.9% of vegans don't grow their own food. They get it from the supermarket, where most of the year the vegetables are imported from other countries with loose regulations.

I'd like to see someone try to grow fresh vegetables south of the border/south america without using bug killer and not be eaten out of business.
These are the root keys of reality...

1. Life - The Constructor (God)
2. Love - A System of Self Regulation (the system of God)
3. Law - The Definition of the Boundaries of Love.
4. Death - The Deconstructor (A Lifeless and Unkillable entity designed to protect Life from entities that violate the system of Love, taking those that perform evoL Away from Life into Death (Suspened Animation) to await Judgement. Built as the ultimate protector of God it is a Machine.)
5. Competition - The System of Self Regulation of The Deconstructor (A system divided against itself in which every entity is a victim of another in competition to win)

... and The Deconstructor not having Love, was instead given a definition of it... Law... and as the "Law Enforcer" with its army... uses LAW to identify Anti-Love (evoL), reporting to God seeking Authority to act against the violator. It was found to be UnJust by performing Anti-Love by telling Eve a Truth... a truth that was not in her best interest, that she would become like God if she ate from the tree of Knowledge while leaving out critical information that would allow her to make the correct decision... in order that the Deconstructor might take ownership of her and everything that she produced because she broke the Law, taking them into its kingdom, The Kingdom of Death.

Creation, the soil in which the seed of the original action of Satan is grown into its fullness so each branch and its every fruit fully viewed and understood can be rightfully judged, and 'Time' the mechanism that forces the calculation to reach its conclusion. The 'Mercy' phase, between violation, and suspended animation (death), where the violator can ask for forgiveness, the Army of Death performed Anti-Love (evoL) to humans in their charge, violating Law. Satan will be imprisoned for his action for 1000 years, while the earth is restarted, where after those years, released only to perform evoL again for the second time convicting him to deconstruction. Having no life of his own to take as payment, Satan becomes the lake of fire that burns forever as he attempts to enforce the Law upon himself and his Army.
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Romans 14:2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

One of my children is mostly vegan, it just came naturally to her. I try to sneak in as much animal fat as I can into her diet and we've discussed how important it is for her to eat a complete protein so I have some special food for her that helps meet her needs.
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Try coconut oil for essential fats our bodies need and quinoa for a complete protein.
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I am a Personal Trainer who specializes in Strength Training.

My worst performing client is a raw vegan. She trains just as hard as my other clients, similar programs, dedicated etc. She owns a health store so takes all the right supplements, she sleeps well, is still young enough to expect decent gains, however she progresses the slowest.

She has been raw vegan for 15 years. She tells me when she was in her 20's she had great health and looked good while eating raw vegan. My response is most people in there 20's have great health and look good.

In the last decade she has consistently got fatter (she is of small build, and has what is commonly referred to as a 'skinny fat' build) and she is often sick - she blames this on being exposed to sick people at her shop all the time (she is a germ freak).
She came to me 6 months ago to get strong. I am really struggling to make progress with her, I have been PTing for 5 years and have never had anyone progress this slow, even people that train 1x a week and party all weekend are doing better than her.

I have only ever trained one vegan. But based on my own experiences the key variable is diet.

And from my n=1 study I would have to suggest that a raw vegan diet for LONG TERM use is not suitable for general health, fat loss, or muscle gain.


Side note - I love my vegetables, however I just let the animals do all the chewing for me :P
 Quoting: Antipodean


What a crock of shit.

Satanic bullshit.

The fact is a vegan diet cures many diseases, lifts the spirit and is excellent for the BODY.

We are not supposed to torture animals and eat them.

Tell that story to your children.

I'm pretty sure there aren't too many childrens books
detailing the way you fucks kill animals, abuse animals,
poison torture and sell them and also market them.

You fucks are outta control and so heartless.

You need a compassion work out.

Obviously you are failing with that, this thread
is the evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882



Why would I make something like this up. I personally don't give a rats ass what people eat or believe in. I'm just telling you what I see.
And I know based on experience in my industry for people to achieve their goals as a power lifter or bodybuilder they are going to have more chance succeeding by consuming animal products.
Yes I know there are vegan athletes out there, but I am certain that the best athletes in all the strength sports are meat eaters. That is the angle I am coming from.

Regarding the health side of things, I value my health alot more than most. I spend alot of money and time on my food and nutrition. I personally prepare about 95% of all the meals I eat. If i eat out it is only very simple foods.

You could not pay me to eat some grain fed hormone filled beef from a factory. I only eat meat from farmers I know. I know for a fact that they are treated kindly, fed well with plenty of grass and when they are killed it is in the most humane way possible with no stress to the animal (as I know this affects meat quality), my diary comes from an organic farm where cows are only milked once a day, and my eggs are from free range happy chickens. I eat plenty of organic veges and often treat myself to vegan desserts. I eat alot of fermented foods, bone broths, and organ meats, but once again it is only the best quality food.

I grew up on a farm and I have pets. My priority is health and to succeed in my sports. At the moment I am achieving both while eating meat and diary. I'm not hating on vegans, I'm just telling you what I observe.
 Quoting: Antipodean


there is no HUMANE way TO KILL AN INNOCENT ANIMAL.

fuck off

brainwashed fuck

i love how you assume ppl are stronger because they eat meat.

you are communicating with weaker vegans.
that's your weakness.

you cannot train properly.

WEAK ASS PLAYER.
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What vegans don't understand is that when you eat tons of vegetables, you're eating tons of bug spray.

This is even worse when juicing as you're getting concentrated amounts of bug killer from the vegetables.

Ask Glenn Beck. As soon as he went vegan, he started going blind and having all kinds of nerve issues.

I know vegans who have cancer and some that have all those symptoms. They say they try to eat only organic but you can't make money without using some sort of bug killer to control pests.

Vegan = Poisoning yourself with nerve agents.
Jucing = Poisoning yourself with concentrated poisons.
 Quoting: ARCLIGHT01


PROPAGANDISTTTT

what happens when vegans grow their own food?

checkmate, fool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882


99.9% of vegans don't grow their own food. They get it from the supermarket, where most of the year the vegetables are imported from other countries with loose regulations.

I'd like to see someone try to grow fresh vegetables south of the border/south america without using bug killer and not be eaten out of business.
 Quoting: ARCLIGHT01


Hydroponics will solve this problem.

We wont be slaves forever to capitalism.

That's not even a vegan thing, it's just a human thing.

Vegans aspire to move out this faster than you,
obviously.

and your percentage is based on what, MEAT MATH?
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FUCK VEGANS!!
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What vegans don't understand is that when you eat tons of vegetables, you're eating tons of bug spray.

This is even worse when juicing as you're getting concentrated amounts of bug killer from the vegetables.

Ask Glenn Beck. As soon as he went vegan, he started going blind and having all kinds of nerve issues.

I know vegans who have cancer and some that have all those symptoms. They say they try to eat only organic but you can't make money without using some sort of bug killer to control pests.

Vegan = Poisoning yourself with nerve agents.
Jucing = Poisoning yourself with concentrated poisons.
 Quoting: ARCLIGHT01


PROPAGANDISTTTT

what happens when vegans grow their own food?

checkmate, fool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882


99.9% of vegans don't grow their own food. They get it from the supermarket, where most of the year the vegetables are imported from other countries with loose regulations.

I'd like to see someone try to grow fresh vegetables south of the border/south america without using bug killer and not be eaten out of business.
 Quoting: ARCLIGHT01


Hydroponics will solve this problem.

We wont be slaves forever to capitalism.

That's not even a vegan thing, it's just a human thing.

Vegans aspire to move out this faster than you,
obviously.

and your percentage is based on what, MEAT MATH?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882


I think you've ingested too much nerve agent:

Vegetarian Times

"The just-released “Vegetarianism in America” study, published by Vegetarian Times (vegetariantimes.com), shows that 3.2 percent of U.S. adults, or 7.3 million people, follow a vegetarian-based diet. Approximately 0.5 percent, or 1 million, of those are vegans, who consume no animal products at all. "

[link to www.vegetariantimes.com]

Most of those live in the city. Not on a farm that would support their food requirements year around (winter)

Last Edited by ARCLIGHT01 on 04/25/2014 11:55 PM
These are the root keys of reality...

1. Life - The Constructor (God)
2. Love - A System of Self Regulation (the system of God)
3. Law - The Definition of the Boundaries of Love.
4. Death - The Deconstructor (A Lifeless and Unkillable entity designed to protect Life from entities that violate the system of Love, taking those that perform evoL Away from Life into Death (Suspened Animation) to await Judgement. Built as the ultimate protector of God it is a Machine.)
5. Competition - The System of Self Regulation of The Deconstructor (A system divided against itself in which every entity is a victim of another in competition to win)

... and The Deconstructor not having Love, was instead given a definition of it... Law... and as the "Law Enforcer" with its army... uses LAW to identify Anti-Love (evoL), reporting to God seeking Authority to act against the violator. It was found to be UnJust by performing Anti-Love by telling Eve a Truth... a truth that was not in her best interest, that she would become like God if she ate from the tree of Knowledge while leaving out critical information that would allow her to make the correct decision... in order that the Deconstructor might take ownership of her and everything that she produced because she broke the Law, taking them into its kingdom, The Kingdom of Death.

Creation, the soil in which the seed of the original action of Satan is grown into its fullness so each branch and its every fruit fully viewed and understood can be rightfully judged, and 'Time' the mechanism that forces the calculation to reach its conclusion. The 'Mercy' phase, between violation, and suspended animation (death), where the violator can ask for forgiveness, the Army of Death performed Anti-Love (evoL) to humans in their charge, violating Law. Satan will be imprisoned for his action for 1000 years, while the earth is restarted, where after those years, released only to perform evoL again for the second time convicting him to deconstruction. Having no life of his own to take as payment, Satan becomes the lake of fire that burns forever as he attempts to enforce the Law upon himself and his Army.
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Romans 14:2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

One of my children is mostly vegan, it just came naturally to her. I try to sneak in as much animal fat as I can into her diet and we've discussed how important it is for her to eat a complete protein so I have some special food for her that helps meet her needs.
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Try coconut oil for essential fats our bodies need and quinoa for a complete protein.
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Quinoa isn't a great of a protein as lot of people make it out to be.
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all grains possess anti-nutrients which block nutrient absorption.

Seriously if you are looking for complete protein plus essential fats, raise a chicken, let it roam free range, cuddle it at night if it helps, and eat the eggs it lays. Let it die from natural causes and bury it in the back yard. The nutrition from the egg will be the best thing your body ingests if you're eating vegan!
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If you are not a Vegan then fuck off. Why do you care what anyone else eats?

Are you trying to control others?

Fuck off meat eaters. Shove your own meat up your ass lol.
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PROPAGANDISTTTT

what happens when vegans grow their own food?

checkmate, fool.
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99.9% of vegans don't grow their own food. They get it from the supermarket, where most of the year the vegetables are imported from other countries with loose regulations.

I'd like to see someone try to grow fresh vegetables south of the border/south america without using bug killer and not be eaten out of business.
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Hydroponics will solve this problem.

We wont be slaves forever to capitalism.

That's not even a vegan thing, it's just a human thing.

Vegans aspire to move out this faster than you,
obviously.

and your percentage is based on what, MEAT MATH?
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I think you've ingested too much nerve agent:

Vegetarian Times

"The just-released “Vegetarianism in America” study, published by Vegetarian Times (vegetariantimes.com), shows that 3.2 percent of U.S. adults, or 7.3 million people, follow a vegetarian-based diet. Approximately 0.5 percent, or 1 million, of those are vegans, who consume no animal products at all. "

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Most of those live in the city. Not on a farm that would support their food requirements year around (winter)
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Yeah I think you and your toxic agenda wants me
to believe magazine stats.

I believe what I see and what I see are
HEALTHY STRONG VEGANS WHO HAVE COMPASSION
FOR
OTHERS
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The thing I have a problem with is the amount of meat you are served. It has turned me off since I was a kid. A little is fine, but they dump all this meat on your plate and you are expected to eat it.

So you eat it and feel sick and do not like meat. But, you need protein! So give me some peanuts. I like peanuts.

America has an obsession with eating huge portions of meat. When I go to a restaurant, I can never eat all the meat in a typical meal. It is like two or three servings of meat.

But Vegans, prove you do not need animal protein. So why this obsession with meat?
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The thing I have a problem with is the amount of meat you are served. It has turned me off since I was a kid. A little is fine, but they dump all this meat on your plate and you are expected to eat it.

So you eat it and feel sick and do not like meat. But, you need protein! So give me some peanuts. I like peanuts.

America has an obsession with eating huge portions of meat. When I go to a restaurant, I can never eat all the meat in a typical meal. It is like two or three servings of meat.

But Vegans, prove you do not need animal protein. So why this obsession with meat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51959594


I'm convinced its part of the Luciferian Agenda, Demonic Politics.

They want people to believe Murder is a good thing to eat.

They want people to believe Murder is beautiful, healthy,
normal.

They want to deny a beautiful loving kingdom.

They make arguments for animals eating other animals..
and fish eating fish... (WE ARENT FISH? We can feed animals?)

They purposely deny compassion and just argue and argue
and defend
DEATH!
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I am a Personal Trainer who specializes in Strength Training.

My worst performing client is a raw vegan. She trains just as hard as my other clients, similar programs, dedicated etc. She owns a health store so takes all the right supplements, she sleeps well, is still young enough to expect decent gains, however she progresses the slowest.

She has been raw vegan for 15 years. She tells me when she was in her 20's she had great health and looked good while eating raw vegan. My response is most people in there 20's have great health and look good.

In the last decade she has consistently got fatter (she is of small build, and has what is commonly referred to as a 'skinny fat' build) and she is often sick - she blames this on being exposed to sick people at her shop all the time (she is a germ freak).
She came to me 6 months ago to get strong. I am really struggling to make progress with her, I have been PTing for 5 years and have never had anyone progress this slow, even people that train 1x a week and party all weekend are doing better than her.

I have only ever trained one vegan. But based on my own experiences the key variable is diet.

And from my n=1 study I would have to suggest that a raw vegan diet for LONG TERM use is not suitable for general health, fat loss, or muscle gain.


Side note - I love my vegetables, however I just let the animals do all the chewing for me :P
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What a crock of shit.

Satanic bullshit.

The fact is a vegan diet cures many diseases, lifts the spirit and is excellent for the BODY.

We are not supposed to torture animals and eat them.

Tell that story to your children.

I'm pretty sure there aren't too many childrens books
detailing the way you fucks kill animals, abuse animals,
poison torture and sell them and also market them.

You fucks are outta control and so heartless.

You need a compassion work out.

Obviously you are failing with that, this thread
is the evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882



Why would I make something like this up. I personally don't give a rats ass what people eat or believe in. I'm just telling you what I see.
And I know based on experience in my industry for people to achieve their goals as a power lifter or bodybuilder they are going to have more chance succeeding by consuming animal products.
Yes I know there are vegan athletes out there, but I am certain that the best athletes in all the strength sports are meat eaters. That is the angle I am coming from.

Regarding the health side of things, I value my health alot more than most. I spend alot of money and time on my food and nutrition. I personally prepare about 95% of all the meals I eat. If i eat out it is only very simple foods.

You could not pay me to eat some grain fed hormone filled beef from a factory. I only eat meat from farmers I know. I know for a fact that they are treated kindly, fed well with plenty of grass and when they are killed it is in the most humane way possible with no stress to the animal (as I know this affects meat quality), my diary comes from an organic farm where cows are only milked once a day, and my eggs are from free range happy chickens. I eat plenty of organic veges and often treat myself to vegan desserts. I eat alot of fermented foods, bone broths, and organ meats, but once again it is only the best quality food.

I grew up on a farm and I have pets. My priority is health and to succeed in my sports. At the moment I am achieving both while eating meat and diary. I'm not hating on vegans, I'm just telling you what I observe.
 Quoting: Antipodean


there is no HUMANE way TO KILL AN INNOCENT ANIMAL.

fuck off

brainwashed fuck

i love how you assume ppl are stronger because they eat meat.

you are communicating with weaker vegans.
that's your weakness.

you cannot train properly.

WEAK ASS PLAYER.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882

The animal is killed instantly from top down, without any prior stress (ie seeing its peers being killed, or pushed through cages and trucks). I don't know how an animal can be killed in a more humane way.

Its no different to someone being struck my lightening and dieing instantly.

Unless you aren't really pro animal welfare, but rather, anti killing.

In which case I am curious... what would you do if a pet cat of yours was diagnosed with a horrible disease such as arthritis in the hips, it can't move and is in constant pain. The vet advises you to put the animal down to stop its suffering. You care greatly for animals well being. What would you do in this situation? Let the animal suffer, or put it down peacefully?



Regarding the training, and dealing with 'weaker vegans' (I'm surprised in your eyes there are such people!), then please find a powerlifter who is vegan who holds a world record. Or a vegan bodybuilder who holds a world title. Local state titles don't mean jack, sometimes there's only 1 person in the division. Trust me, from my years in the industry and at numerous national events, all the winners eat meat. Its an observation I have made.

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The thing I have a problem with is the amount of meat you are served. It has turned me off since I was a kid. A little is fine, but they dump all this meat on your plate and you are expected to eat it.

So you eat it and feel sick and do not like meat. But, you need protein! So give me some peanuts. I like peanuts.

America has an obsession with eating huge portions of meat. When I go to a restaurant, I can never eat all the meat in a typical meal. It is like two or three servings of meat.

But Vegans, prove you do not need animal protein. So why this obsession with meat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51959594


Its not an obsession with meat. I agree eating a big hunk of meat is unnecessary. Just like eating a candy bar is overkill.

However, get mad a Satan. God made the plants in the garden of Eden produce everything a person needed. But when Satan caused Adam and Eve to be kicked out of the garden, he said he would no longer fully support them. They would have to work for their food AND EAT THE ANIMALS. God said it, not me.

I think we should treat animals with much respect, just as you would your own pet, and expect others to do the same. Then kill them as quickly and painlessly as possible so they don't feel anything. Then consume only what you need. Don't over indulge for pleasure.

This is going to sound really strange but... there are secrets that people don't understand such as... When you commit evoL/sin, you owe life as the debt. When you partake in a portion of an animal, you are using part of that animals life... to pay your debt... to keep yourself alive.
That is why God said that man must kill and eat animals. Feel free to disagree but its true.
These are the root keys of reality...

1. Life - The Constructor (God)
2. Love - A System of Self Regulation (the system of God)
3. Law - The Definition of the Boundaries of Love.
4. Death - The Deconstructor (A Lifeless and Unkillable entity designed to protect Life from entities that violate the system of Love, taking those that perform evoL Away from Life into Death (Suspened Animation) to await Judgement. Built as the ultimate protector of God it is a Machine.)
5. Competition - The System of Self Regulation of The Deconstructor (A system divided against itself in which every entity is a victim of another in competition to win)

... and The Deconstructor not having Love, was instead given a definition of it... Law... and as the "Law Enforcer" with its army... uses LAW to identify Anti-Love (evoL), reporting to God seeking Authority to act against the violator. It was found to be UnJust by performing Anti-Love by telling Eve a Truth... a truth that was not in her best interest, that she would become like God if she ate from the tree of Knowledge while leaving out critical information that would allow her to make the correct decision... in order that the Deconstructor might take ownership of her and everything that she produced because she broke the Law, taking them into its kingdom, The Kingdom of Death.

Creation, the soil in which the seed of the original action of Satan is grown into its fullness so each branch and its every fruit fully viewed and understood can be rightfully judged, and 'Time' the mechanism that forces the calculation to reach its conclusion. The 'Mercy' phase, between violation, and suspended animation (death), where the violator can ask for forgiveness, the Army of Death performed Anti-Love (evoL) to humans in their charge, violating Law. Satan will be imprisoned for his action for 1000 years, while the earth is restarted, where after those years, released only to perform evoL again for the second time convicting him to deconstruction. Having no life of his own to take as payment, Satan becomes the lake of fire that burns forever as he attempts to enforce the Law upon himself and his Army.
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What a crock of shit.

Satanic bullshit.

The fact is a vegan diet cures many diseases, lifts the spirit and is excellent for the BODY.

We are not supposed to torture animals and eat them.

Tell that story to your children.

I'm pretty sure there aren't too many childrens books
detailing the way you fucks kill animals, abuse animals,
poison torture and sell them and also market them.

You fucks are outta control and so heartless.

You need a compassion work out.

Obviously you are failing with that, this thread
is the evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882



Why would I make something like this up. I personally don't give a rats ass what people eat or believe in. I'm just telling you what I see.
And I know based on experience in my industry for people to achieve their goals as a power lifter or bodybuilder they are going to have more chance succeeding by consuming animal products.
Yes I know there are vegan athletes out there, but I am certain that the best athletes in all the strength sports are meat eaters. That is the angle I am coming from.

Regarding the health side of things, I value my health alot more than most. I spend alot of money and time on my food and nutrition. I personally prepare about 95% of all the meals I eat. If i eat out it is only very simple foods.

You could not pay me to eat some grain fed hormone filled beef from a factory. I only eat meat from farmers I know. I know for a fact that they are treated kindly, fed well with plenty of grass and when they are killed it is in the most humane way possible with no stress to the animal (as I know this affects meat quality), my diary comes from an organic farm where cows are only milked once a day, and my eggs are from free range happy chickens. I eat plenty of organic veges and often treat myself to vegan desserts. I eat alot of fermented foods, bone broths, and organ meats, but once again it is only the best quality food.

I grew up on a farm and I have pets. My priority is health and to succeed in my sports. At the moment I am achieving both while eating meat and diary. I'm not hating on vegans, I'm just telling you what I observe.
 Quoting: Antipodean


there is no HUMANE way TO KILL AN INNOCENT ANIMAL.

fuck off

brainwashed fuck

i love how you assume ppl are stronger because they eat meat.

you are communicating with weaker vegans.
that's your weakness.

you cannot train properly.

WEAK ASS PLAYER.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56507882

The animal is killed instantly from top down, without any prior stress (ie seeing its peers being killed, or pushed through cages and trucks). I don't know how an animal can be killed in a more humane way.

Its no different to someone being struck my lightening and dieing instantly.

Unless you aren't really pro animal welfare, but rather, anti killing.

In which case I am curious... what would you do if a pet cat of yours was diagnosed with a horrible disease such as arthritis in the hips, it can't move and is in constant pain. The vet advises you to put the animal down to stop its suffering. You care greatly for animals well being. What would you do in this situation? Let the animal suffer, or put it down peacefully?



Regarding the training, and dealing with 'weaker vegans' (I'm surprised in your eyes there are such people!), then please find a powerlifter who is vegan who holds a world record. Or a vegan bodybuilder who holds a world title. Local state titles don't mean jack, sometimes there's only 1 person in the division. Trust me, from my years in the industry and at numerous national events, all the winners eat meat. Its an observation I have made.
 Quoting: Antipodean


Seriously?

You are still trying to brainwash me into thinking
murder can be humane for consumption?

A dying cat is not a meal, at least NOT FOR ME, MAYBE
FOR YOU?

What animals are off limits?

How many animals are you willing to kill so that
you can POWER LIFT?

You are so pathetic.

and as far as your observations,
I've witnessed myself kick your
ass in this
discussion, no weights or sweat included.

Strength is also a spirit thing
and yours
is
weakening with every word you type.

Hungry for a cat ka-bob? Is that why you mentioned
cats?

Interesting how the cannibal public has chosen
certain animals to sacrifice?

you never see Beaver burgers at McMurders?
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If you are not a Vegan then fuck off. Why do you care what anyone else eats?

Are you trying to control others?

Fuck off meat eaters. Shove your own meat up your ass lol.
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THIS COMMENT


and THIS KARMA VOTE ON MY PROFILE

Our ancestors, yes, the PAGANS did not survive on eating plants alone. dumbass.


DONT BELONG ANYWHERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vulgar language and presumptions as to my knowledge/studies/beliefs belong in a mental hospital.

I can talk without saying #u<K or Dumbass to discuss a topic.

What ancestors ate isn't an issue, humans can grow and advance. And the first quote is just nausea inducing in its hateful spite.



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I began a topic without investing in it my beliefs as it may help ppl, with interesting info in a proper discussion.

These 2 need more that ever to visit the LOVE thread
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and attempt to find an emotion in their soul ... while still having one.
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If you ARE vegan I suggest not saying so here
as this site is owned by a military intel corp
and is data-mining your personal life.
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