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The Vegans ... are you one
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I am a Personal Trainer who specializes in Strength Training.
My worst performing client is a raw vegan. She trains just as hard as my other clients, similar programs, dedicated etc. She owns a health store so takes all the right supplements, she sleeps well, is still young enough to expect decent gains, however she progresses the slowest.
She has been raw vegan for 15 years. She tells me when she was in her 20's she had great health and looked good while eating raw vegan. My response is most people in there 20's have great health and look good.
In the last decade she has consistently got fatter (she is of small build, and has what is commonly referred to as a 'skinny fat' build) and she is often sick - she blames this on being exposed to sick people at her shop all the time (she is a germ freak).
She came to me 6 months ago to get strong. I am really struggling to make progress with her, I have been PTing for 5 years and have never had anyone progress this slow, even people that train 1x a week and party all weekend are doing better than her.
I have only ever trained one vegan. But based on my own experiences the key variable is diet.
And from my n=1 study I would have to suggest that a raw vegan diet for LONG TERM use is not suitable for general health, fat loss, or muscle gain.
Side note - I love my vegetables, however I just let the animals do all the chewing for me :P
Quoting: Antipodean What a crock of shit. Satanic bullshit. The fact is a vegan diet cures many diseases, lifts the spirit and is excellent for the BODY. We are not supposed to torture animals and eat them. Tell that story to your children. I'm pretty sure there aren't too many childrens books detailing the way you fucks kill animals, abuse animals, poison torture and sell them and also market them. You fucks are outta control and so heartless. You need a compassion work out. Obviously you are failing with that, this thread is the evidence. Why would I make something like this up. I personally don't give a rats ass what people eat or believe in. I'm just telling you what I see. And I know based on experience in my industry for people to achieve their goals as a power lifter or bodybuilder they are going to have more chance succeeding by consuming animal products. Yes I know there are vegan athletes out there, but I am certain that the best athletes in all the strength sports are meat eaters. That is the angle I am coming from. Regarding the health side of things, I value my health alot more than most. I spend alot of money and time on my food and nutrition. I personally prepare about 95% of all the meals I eat. If i eat out it is only very simple foods. You could not pay me to eat some grain fed hormone filled beef from a factory. I only eat meat from farmers I know. I know for a fact that they are treated kindly, fed well with plenty of grass and when they are killed it is in the most humane way possible with no stress to the animal (as I know this affects meat quality), my diary comes from an organic farm where cows are only milked once a day, and my eggs are from free range happy chickens. I eat plenty of organic veges and often treat myself to vegan desserts. I eat alot of fermented foods, bone broths, and organ meats, but once again it is only the best quality food. I grew up on a farm and I have pets. My priority is health and to succeed in my sports. At the moment I am achieving both while eating meat and diary. I'm not hating on vegans, I'm just telling you what I observe.
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