Are Putin and Obama on the same team? A simple argument.

are you just playing "secret under-cover disinformation agent", or are you just plain stupid?

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Russia Coat of Arms - [link to upload.wikimedia.org]

Freemason Logo [link to scottyonker.com]

Enough Said.

They certainly are "flexible" buddies. Other then a lot of chest thumping, both team Putin and team Obama are achieving their goals.

Therein lies the ultimate answer, look past their political words and observe whether their actions fulfill their political agendas, or do they clash and truly oppose one another. On appearances they appear to bat for the same team. Hillary Clinton likes "bats".

the freemasons, the illuminati the rothchilds, yada, yada...
that's all old school horseshit. this is the year 2014, and
things are operating very much differently than your stupid delusional fantasies.

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Putin just justified NSA/CIA Orwellian surveillance, while answering to "surprise guest" Snowden, during his annual A&Q TV marathon.



I'd like to think he's the good guy but shit like that tells he's just another player in "their" game.

Bump.

good thread.

"Putin: 'We are not afraid of anyone' "
Pravda
17.04.2014
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[link to english.pravda.ru]
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:putinbear1:

why do you believe the virgin mary continually made a specific point of making it known that it was RUSSIA which needed to be consecrated to her virgin heart

and fall in with her Son and the King of Kings

before peace would come about hereupon?

this goes way deeper than the obvious and has to do with the emnity God placed between the offspring of Cain and Eve of the Adamic/caucasian race in the garden

the garden in which the snake WAS lucifer and the apple itself was nothing more than a piece of fruit...

it's high time for the people hereupon to awaken to the fullness of all truth

as they are within the midst of said emnity to this very day and such will be full in force at the time of the end of this Age

sigh

tis what it be however, hence it be so

Thanks for this interesting and challenging video!

So, to recap for who’s listening, I said that Putin being against the spying was part of the NWO agenda, and now this video seems to suggest otherwise- that he supports the spying!

If said agenda exists like I said, then, what to make of this video? A great question!

After a little research, we find that this clip can still be interpreted as he being against the spying, because at the end he said, “We don’t spy on a mass scale”. This thread is an example:
Thread: Putin Interview: We Do Not Spy Like the NSA
As you can see from the above thread title alone.
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Says the OP…

And, to be fair, the written media says it more bluntly. Here’s how they translated it:

"Of course we do some efforts like that, but we do not have mass-scale, uncontrollable efforts like that." Russia's surveillance tactics are strictly regulated by the country's laws, he concluded.
[link to www.theverge.com]

Another title reads:
“Mass spying on citizens in Russia impossible unlike in US — Putin”.

And the article goes on to say that:
“We have no spying of mass and non-selective type, and there cannot be any, according to the legislation,” Putin said.

So, it seems like what I said about there existing a "two sides of the spectrum" agenda is holding water, what do you think? They are presenting the idea that Russia’s spying is fairer, after all, then USA’s. This is a key difference.

But now let’s analyze it some more. It is fairer, they are saying. So, they are telling us that none the less spying is done, even in Russia!

How does this make sense?

Well, it is actually very simple. This is because like I said, and Ohwell said this too, terrorists will ultimately be blamed for the collapse of the civilization. You see, Putin is hinting at that the terrorist issue has gotten so far that spying must be done, at some level. They are putting fear into humanity, telling us to think that even our fellow men, even our next door neighbor, could very well turn out to be a extremist, a lunatic. Now this is very convenient for them. Because do you think that the New world order will NOT have government? Of course it will, it will have a one world government. So you see, for this reason the government can’t ultimately be blamed. Because in the NWO the masses will need to feel safe, they can’t fear the new system, or else they will not accept it. Thus the trigger for this war the PTB are staging (even if people do not recognize it yet) will be the usual boogeyman, the terrorists… in connection with rogue governments. And in the very end of all of this, what solution will the PTB give to solve this terrorist problem and retain governments? How will they make people believe that the new system is safter, better? Easy: RFID microchips. They will simply tell us that RFID microchips will solve this terrorism problem! “It’s more effective then spying, and like this, we can still preserve the idea of governments”. Remember that there may be a war while the RFID agenda is being pushed, so in panic people will take the chip. At first it may also be said it’s for safety, for keeping track of people. So people will feel, "ok, great, it makes sense… Yes, RFID is good". But do not be naive! This will actually make it even easier for them to control us, of course.

Hear this clip, you can start hearing it from the 38 second mark which it will automatically direct you to:

[link to youtu.be]

Tho the main thing I want to point out is that in the last 10 seconds he says: “The ultimate goal is to get everyone in this world with a RFID chip. And if anyone wants to protest what we do or violate what we want, we just turn off their chip”.

Here are more threads talking about this subject if you are interested:

Thread: MH370 the 2nd Hijacked Airline by a Pilot In 2 Months! Forgotten the 1st? Agenda to Microchip World because of Extremism Unfolding.

Here’s a quote from that thread:



Thread: Pistorius the Poster-boy for TRANSHUMANISM and hearing is added steps to Microchipping the world due to mental instability. MH370 connection.

Thanks again all for reading! :D I’m happy if you have, it’s good to hear people are interested in these topics still. Have a great to day all who read this!

Last Edited by GreenishAndCoolish on 04/18/2014 03:25 PM

Great Input OP.

Putin isn't really against the spying. He's just harbouring someone who exposes the overreaching spying being done by the USA. By doing this, he also reinforces the idea of the spying nonetheless because both sides are the same and the war is on man kind's consciousness. When people also believe they have to be spied upon to be protected from extremism or terrorism, it reinforces the idea of their identity which isn't them and as long as they hold unto this identity or have this mindset, which most people on this planet would, they will receive the mark of the beast. There is no escape from this..

The spying as I have also warned is the least of people's worries. Thread: Snowden, NWO Agenda and the Manifestation of Thought into Reality. . The agenda behind this is to make people cling unto identity which isn't them in this time when the prison doors are about to be flung open.

Since Putin is making such statement now, it means their plans or all their cards pretty much are all being put on the table for people to decide on who they want to side. Which further leads me to believe that a FF is very imminent. MH370 could very well come back sooner than we think to once and for all kickstart this crisis and conflicts of interest spreading as far out as Iran, Syria, Israel etc. Then the world leaders will start this conflict only to later come to their senses that what triggered this event were acts of extremists.

But as the OP knows, all these crisis is contrived and based on cosmic events. Any and every excuse will be given to start this crisis and the masses will have no idea what is really taking place.

News of Iranian Nukes were once again on the news. News of the largest gathering of terrorists also were on the news. I think the conflict or confrontation is soon and the world will choose a side in this conflict as I also said below.

Thread: US on PRISM: "Sorry, we are spying on you! Outraged? Wonder why all this is necessary? Dont worry, we'll justify this soon!"

Last Edited by Ohwell on 04/18/2014 03:22 PM

The scale of the FF you are also about to witness, the resultant outbreak of war, economic systems, the great devastation coming with climate change, outbreak of Ebola or other contagion, with people losing lives, limbs, homes, property etc. will make the microchip a natural solution.

Besides, it will be pushed through under humanitarian grounds and not forced through. Its those that refuse to accept it especially after the scale of the FF operation and the outbreak that will be deemed an extremist. Now, a lot of the world masses haven't really lived as an outcast. Most have been follow follow. So, what will happen is that the chip will be like a fad. "everyone is taking it....so why should I be left out"?

Especially when their survival and participation in society is also tied to it.

Last Edited by Ohwell on 04/18/2014 04:15 PM

Because Obama

Obama isn't even in the picture. he's just a little bitty stooge.

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Simply take a look at their body language when they meet. It's obvious.

ditto - ditto - ditto

Yes, I think so too.

I would say yes

Some are arguing that because Putin is anti-gay that probably means he is good. And by contrast Obama supports gays/is gay and therefore is bad.

This is a variation of the manly/weak agenda, but let’s see what can we say about this! :D

So: Is it this simple? Putin is anti-gay therefore he’s a good guy.

Well, I ask: Don’t you think that the ones in charge behind the scenes foresaw that the average person would make this conclusion?

They are knowledgeable in psychology. Very much.

I feel that the anti-gay issue we are seeing as a trademark of Russia is first of all a necessary condition to engage people into all that we are seeing happening now. Imagine if both players were similar, and there was not a clear “Righteous” one. Then people wouldn’t perhaps rebel: “Both of these guys are equally bad!” Remember, two sides are needed for a war.

Even if you agree with the anti-gay stance Russia is taking, ask yourself, if YOU were evil wouldn’t this be a smart move on your part? It makes people side with you.

And let’s say, for the sake of the argument, that you believe that a evil person is very likely to support gays. And assume for argument’s sake that Putin is Evil. “Surely, he wouldn’t stand to be anti-gay”. Well ask yourself if a psychopath wouldn’t temporarily sacrifice himself a little bit if that helps him usher in his master plan? In the end, the grip on humanity will be even larger. Wide-spread deaths and poverty are two possible outcomes of this war, and this crisis will help to usher in agendas even crueler like Rfid and so on.

But let’s remind ourselves that they themselves chose to spread the bible far and wide. They could have demonized it and set forth all kinds of tactics against it. They instead choose to talk nicely of it. They all support it.

If you believe that they were able to brainwash the masses into thinking 911 was not a inside job, then why is it not possible that they at least influenced many people into believing into the bible, or at least some parts of it? Note that I am not necessarily arguing that the bible is bad. Just that it can very well be used for evil. I will explain soon, but first, see this recent example, when David Cameron said the Uk was a Christian country.

[link to www.bbc.com]

“The UK must be more confident about Christianity!” he says. And everyone goes: “Yay, awesome, he’s good, he’s great”. Is it that simple to fool you?

Now don’t you think that this criminal willingly, and autonomously, chooses to say something like this, don’t you think that there could be a agenda behind the bible? Even if you agree it’s good! We must be on the eye for all kinds of tactics.

For example, the bible says that a War in Damascus must happen. Something like that. It then says Jesus will return at the end of said destruction. (I think this is about right, right? Sorry for inaccuracies). So if you are the illuminati, and you want to stage a big war, where do you do it? Around Damascus area! It’s perfect, you see? It’s a cleaver trick. Even if you believe that Damascus will be destroyed in the end times, who is to say that now it’s not the end times yet, and this time it will be rebuild and destroyed again in the future? For example one year from now. Maybe for example, this time it might be destroyed a little bit, or totally- but rebuilt even larger and better- and this is what the bible is referring to when it says Damascus will be a ruinous heap. Remember that people have free will, so it is in the realm of possibility that something of this nature could happen, wouldn’t you agree?

In the end, what matters is not to have peace? And everything that supports killing your fellow man can’t be good. Maybe this is a motto everyone should follow. If you are a good person, even if you are manipulated, maybe there is a limit to how far you can be manipulated.

Very simply put, the idea behind the psychology is to subconsciously make people accept this: “Bad things will happen, we are going to do evil things. But the bible says these things must happen. So if these things don’t happen, your bible is wrong, and you don’t want that, do you?”

When I put it this simply it seems silly, but this is implanted subliminally. Please be aware!

They see more than one step ahead. It’s like in chess.

The government did 911. They planned it, executed it and lied about it. Knowing this, if someone told you: “But the bible says 911 was necessary”, would you accept it? No, of course not. No one supports these evil actions done against our fellow man, after all! :D

So, to recap: Putin is anti-gay, but if you are too, that doesn’t automatically mean he is good. He could be using this to improve his self-image and get people’s attention into this ordeal, this crisis they staged. The more attention goes into their evil doings, the more possibility for emotions being aroused. The more emotions are aroused, the more likely people are going to be able to be manipulated into accepting war, even into wanting to do bad things against others.

I for one think we should choose to focus in our similarities instead of our differences. We are all the same race, human beings! Brothers and sisters. That will be important in these times! :D What do you think? Thanks for reading, have a good day everybody! :D

Last Edited by GreenishAndCoolish on 04/23/2014 07:22 PM

This looks like a very interesting thread to read, OP, thank you I am printing it to read tonight! Shalom and thinking of you!

Dear OP, I read this thread that you made this morning, and it is really good, thank you, you write so well and clear, and your logic is so easy-flowing and you have a wonderful way with the language/thought process; this is very rare. I think maybe that quite a lot of people may think of these things, but can not put it in the way that you are able to, thoughts, in this logical, friendly, clear, easy-on-the-brain !lol format, as you always do, on paper...
I wish you had a bigger audience, Greenish, because I don't think you get enough exposure here with this gift that you have been blessed with.

I really enjoy what you think. It's funny, I always wondered if they used Chemtrailing poisons on the Russian people, but I never had a chance to look that question up/ I wondered too if Putin was 'really a good guy maybe' even though he was KGB big-time dude, you know, which was against him, but not necessarily making him a bad guy. I try to think that maybe they have in these agencies very skillful moles that do and say all the masters want them to, then, have their own good plan to save the people from what they are doing.

Guess not since Putin has gone and done this, that is to me a litmus test of their nature. No one poisons their own people ... to 'get along' with the 'Ascended Masters' or "Illuminated Ones' agenda" of total destruction of 90% of the earth-dwellers... without also being totally evil and destructive themselves.

I did have my doubts that Putin was maybe getting a bad rap when he came out and succinctly put Islamists in their place, which he said would never dominate HIS country or culture. That was smart, ... but it is also the plan to have the Muslim evil 'found out' by the indoctrinated populace - but only 'too late' to save the populace FROM them. haha they thought of everything, ... make the evil Muslims do all their dirty work, so they can say 'We didn't do this to you! You even elected one!...

and since they are so predictable as people who are indoctrinated with evil are, (the Muslims are knee-jerk, usually, you can count on their reaction!...) and OUR conditioning for decades to be 'loving' and tolerante (stupid and vulnerable) towards Islamic Dominance and intolerant, violent, brutal atrocities all the time all over the world towards all people, has been so totally successful, - the stage is set for them to take us all down; but then, the Western Satanists (PTB) will gleefully turn on the tools they used, (Muslims) and kill them because they look down on them as lower-level creatures, which of course they ARE! LOL (if they are aware and learned all the viciousness of Islamic doctrine, and have not rejected those vile and evil doctrines, that is... sorry Muslim people if you are not in agreement with this part of your book or this part of your prophet... he was wrong, it is evil, and some of you have been brave enough to study this religion thoroughly and have taken a stand... bless the Muslims that do this.... this is not meant toward you - and you know who you are)

but Muslims who accept the vicious evil of Islam are automatically going to become sub-human and low-level... it is just the way it is; it is your choice, you do not have to go along with evil, just take a stand and reject subversion of the human spirit, which is what all Satanism does, that is its goal, whether it comes from Nazism, Western Satanism, or Islamic or Christian Satanism...
it is all against humanity. We have the choice: religion need not be our master, especially if it is EVIL, WE NEED TO RENOUNCE ALL EVIL FROM OUR LIVES, and deny its domination over our world.

OP, I jsut got here at about 5:00 and they are now closing in 10 minutes, but I am boing to share your post with my daughter and sons, they will like to learn this, from you who write so clearly and logically and funly, for lack of a better word...


last night, OP, I wish you could have been here with us, I went home to read the things, and couldn't because my daughter wanted to talk about things like Hyperborea, the Book of Enoch, the Watchers, and the DNA and how it all goes, and the suppression by the Church, and also the dismissal of this book by even the Jews? oh, boy, it was a great and funny conversation, it was like she was speeding and I had to ask her to talk more slowly for me to understand her... til one o'clok in the am! I was so tired, but she has not many people that she can talk to there, with her Dad, the controlling Muslim, IAUE help my children... and all of us.

I wish you and my daughter (she is 18 now ...) could know each other, Greenish. I will pray that you both do because you sure would appreciate each other immensely...

I lover her so much, and it si not fair...that my children's childhoods have been hijacked by this terrible man but I learned too late about how our people (American govt) support their crimes, and that is what was happening... my own family (Dad and Mom) supported his crimes, and threatened me to 'make Hussein Happy!' or else... death threats, all round.

That is so horrible. But IAUE will help us, OP, all good people will be helped, and we are all being watched... all heaven is recordgin everything, OP ia sorry they are closing here, and I didn't even get to respond better to any other thread, tomorrow

thank you and I love you OP and appreciate you very much, miss you as I said,

Shalom from me to you in Portugal... Love always
also to everyone else here and out there