Jesus is Good.

I've studied the passage closely; what will we learn? That Jesus absolutely is not God Almighty. Cause that's what is says.

Study this one

I and my Father are one. (John 10:30 KJV)

Jesus is Jehovah's Son.

Jesus also said He and and His appolstles are one. He didn't mean they were the same person. One means they are in union with each other. Same thoughts on matters and same purpose, not the same person.

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Why are you calling the Messiah a liar?

Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? Matthew 26:53

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever John 14:16

But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother. Matthew 12:50

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30

"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Luke 22:42

No, it does not.

What not-Good do any of you therefore accuse Jesus of?

Why do all you Viking wannabes hate Christ?

Jesus also said:

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
(John 10:11)

and He said it again in case you missed it:

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
(John 10:14)

So using logic:

* Jesus said there is none good but one, that is, God.

* Jesus called Himself good.

* Therefore Jesus is God.

"Jesus is Good." is the simplest case and argument that I have never seen made before, and maybe the most effective and penetrating.

Yeah he is good..
At mowing my lawn
cleaning my pool
Cleaning up dog shit in the back yard
painting.. He is good at a lot of stuff.. Im glad he knocked on my door looking for work

The bible explicitly says, verse after verse, Jesus IS NOT GOD, yet you choose to ignore the truth when presented. YOU PEOPLE MAKE A CHOICE WHEN YOU IGNORING THE TRUTH, you ignore direct commands from God and Jesus alike and hundreds of verses and use three four verses with retarded circumstantial, grammatical "evidence" which has been rebuted time and again.

The subject in the sentence is "shephard", he is not saying he's intrinsically good, he is saying he is the good shephard[/u.

It most certainly does not.

You obviously do not even understand what "explicit says" means.


What not-Good do you therefore Jesus of?

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So its just the catholic religion that enslaves and murders the o blooded folks, not all the whorlets daughters, and the fallen son?


Can you explain your stand with facts.

What?

"ex·plic·it adj. : Fully and clearly expressed; leaving nothing implied."

agathos: good: 18 agathós – inherently (intrinsically) good; as to the believer, 18 (agathós) describes what originates from God and is empowered by Him in their life, through faith.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. Mark 10:18

I am the [good] shepherd. The [good] shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. John 10:11

As oppose to the worthless sherpherd Zechariah 11:17: Implies he is the [agathós] shepherd. Agathós:originates from God and is empowered by Him in their life[/u

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"Strong's Number G18 matches the Greek ἀγαθός (agathos),
which occurs 102 times in 90 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV"

And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just Luk 23:50

(Wow, Joseph is also God, who'da thunk?)

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Numbers 23:19

Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? Matthew 26:53

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever John 14:16

But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother. Matthew 12:50

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30

"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Luke 22:42

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Not a single one of those verses says Jesus Christ is not God.

You misinterpret according to your own bias.

You obviously do not understand, accept or believe in the Trinity.

A verse explicitly stating that Jesus is not God

would explicitly say something kind of like "Jesus is not God."

There are no such verses, despite your assertion.

Lazyness, gullibility.... look it up.
Catholic

Cath= down or downwards
O= O blood group or the orion in perpetual slavery for 70 generations in the bible, before driven to total extinction.
Lic = body as a whole, dead or alive. Again enslaved or dead.

All christian churches ate a branch of this pedophilic whore, the sexual abuse is part of the conditioning and enslavement of the o blooded folks.

Reading is a good thing, yet you must first ask the correct questions, before getting the right answer.

No, I don't "interpret" and I sure as hell don't "misinterpret" - that's what you people do when you're making up your false doctrines. I have hundreds of clear-cut verses to back me up, you have none, not a single one, and the few you think support your heresies can and have been refuted again and again and again and again and again...

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Deuteronomy 6:4

Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Proverbs 30:5

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Mark 12:29

In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. Mark 7:7

God is spirit John 4:24

God is not a man Numbers 23:19

God is not man [...] or a son of man Numbers 23:19

Why would he even state that in such fashion when the doctrine of him being the God Most High in human form wasn't even formulated until centuries later. The very notion would be preposterous to Jews and the followers of Jesus. The idea of gods incarneted in human form is purely pagan-hellenistic; that why the people in Lycra thought Paul and Barnabas were Zeus and Hermes.

"But who do you say that I am?"

"You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."

"Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven"

Matthew 16:16-17


"Fully and clearly expressed or demonstrated; leaving nothing merely implied;"

If you approach me calling "Fred! Fred!"

and I look at you and don't know who you are or what you want

and I say "Why do you call me Fred?"

does that mean that I am not Fred?



Please answer my example. Do you understand this?

No, it wasn't a rhetoric question. You're reaching. Jesus is the Messiah, not the Most High God. God is one, and not man nor son of man.

You're welcome to join our little thread here, friend; we've covered just about everything on the subject.

Thread: If Jesus Christ REALLY wanted humans to believe he was God, wouldn't he just have made that REALLY clear, since humans very lives are involved ?

Jesus is love unconditional.

The subject of the sentences is shepherd. Jesus, the Good Shepherd:

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
(John 10:14)

Read the verse before the one often quoted by people saying Jesus is not God:

18 An important man asked Jesus, “Good Teacher, what must I do to have eternal life?”

19 Jesus said, “Why do you call me good? Only God is good.
(Luke 18:18-19)

Surely the subject of Luke 18:18 is "Teacher", Jesus the Good Teacher. Just like the subject of John 10:14 is "Shepherd", Jesus the Good Shepherd.


If the bible said the following, you might have a point, but it does not say this of course:

An important man said to Jesus: You are GOOD! Jesus said, “Don't call me good? Only God is good. I'm not good, I'm not God".

That is what you WISH the bible said. But it doesn't. In fact the bible has Jesus declaring Himself as GOOD, the GOOD SHEPHERD.

Are you seriously going to sit there and say "Jesus is not good"? If you truly believe that Jesus is saying that He is not good in Luke 18:19, then just come out and say it.

Do you believe Jesus Christ is good? Do you believe Jesus Christ is evil?

Following the logic you are using, you are going to say Jesus Christ is evil.