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Georgia governor signs law to drug test some welfare recipients

 
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Georgia governor signs law to drug test some welfare recipients
ATLANTA - Georgia Governor Nathan Deal signed legislation on Tuesday requiring some applicants for food stamps and welfare benefits to undergo a drug test.

Under the bill, testing could be required if authorities have a "reasonable suspicion" of drug use. A person failing the test would temporarily lose benefits, although their children could receive assistance through another adult.

Drug use is a barrier to finding and keeping a job, Deal spokesman Brian Robinson said.

"If some, however, reject treatment and instead choose a lifestyle that renders them unemployable, taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize that," Robinson said.

Debbie Seagraves, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia, called the legislation "shameful" and said it violated the constitutional protection against unreasonable searches.

She also argued that state employees are not adequately trained to detect signs of possible drug use.

"It's a badly flawed bill," she said. "It will be challenged."

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thx for da pin
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Since when is addiction a 'lifestyle choice'?
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Since when is addiction a 'lifestyle choice'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


Since the crack head chose to pick up the pipe and chose not to put it back down.
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Since when is addiction a 'lifestyle choice'?
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So I guess the first time someone uses drugs the needle just jumps into their arm or the pipe to their lips?
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Since when is addiction a 'lifestyle choice'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


Since the crack head chose to pick up the pipe and chose not to put it back down.
 Quoting: Giohater


So presumably the state is going to offer counselling and a treatment program?

And by the way someone who is addicted cannot put it back down, by definition. Not without help.
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Since when is addiction a 'lifestyle choice'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


So I guess the first time someone uses drugs the needle just jumps into their arm or the pipe to their lips?
 Quoting: HaroldWesterling


The seriously addicted people I've known started as children, before they were even old enough to understand the consequences.

Often these are children who are turned into addicts by adults offering them drugs until they are hooked, so they can then use them in the sex trade.

It's not a lifestyle choice.
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Since when is addiction a 'lifestyle choice'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


So I guess the first time someone uses drugs the needle just jumps into their arm or the pipe to their lips?
 Quoting: HaroldWesterling


The seriously addicted people I've known started as children, before they were even old enough to understand the consequences.

Often these are children who are turned into addicts by adults offering them drugs until they are hooked, so they can then use them in the sex trade.

It's not a lifestyle choice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


You are talking about a few extreme examples. I live in Georgia and I see most welfare recipients on a daily basis because I work in the city. They are making a choice to use drugs and should not be on the taxpayers dime.
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The easy answer as to who benefits from this law is predators and those involved in the child sex trade.

Give the addict no way out, and no hand up, guess what they're stuck doing?

I would also expect an increase in violent crime with such a law, and of course a corresponding rise in policing costs.

But I guess what America really needs is more police!
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The easy answer as to who benefits from this law is predators and those involved in the child sex trade.

Give the addict no way out, and no hand up, guess what they're stuck doing?

I would also expect an increase in violent crime with such a law, and of course a corresponding rise in policing costs.

But I guess what America really needs is more police!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


So the government should use taxpayer funds to help everyone who uses drugs? As a taxpayer why should anyone have a claim on my labor? Isn't that the definition of slavery? I work so that they can benefit somehow??

I've got a way out for addicts who resort to crime to feed their habit...lock them up with no drugs, have them dry out and then try to rehabilitate them.
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Since when is addiction a 'lifestyle choice'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


Since the crack head chose to pick up the pipe and chose not to put it back down.
 Quoting: Giohater


So presumably the state is going to offer counselling and a treatment program?

And by the way someone who is addicted cannot put it back down, by definition. Not without help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


Really I was addicted to cigarettes and managed to put them down without counceling or therapy. I used self restraint.
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Since when is addiction a 'lifestyle choice'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


So I guess the first time someone uses drugs the needle just jumps into their arm or the pipe to their lips?
 Quoting: HaroldWesterling


The seriously addicted people I've known started as children, before they were even old enough to understand the consequences.

Often these are children who are turned into addicts by adults offering them drugs until they are hooked, so they can then use them in the sex trade.

It's not a lifestyle choice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


No sir it still is a choice, it's the parents choice to monitor and raise there children. Stop being such a negitive Nancy and come away from the liberal left a bit.

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I think they should be tested for malt liquor instead. That should thin the roles out a bit.
Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America.
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Drug testing the poor is one hell of a creepy
Idea

How about drug tests for the DA and
Judges and the governor?

Terrible indication of the current state of
Affairs
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Re: Georgia governor signs law to drug test some welfare recipients
How many think that lawyers do coke and
All kinds of things?

Lets skip them tho
And teachers

After all they just make the laws and instruct
Children

We need to test them Otha's that don't
Make the laws cause eating is wrong if
You are poor
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Re: Georgia governor signs law to drug test some welfare recipients
Good thing there are a lot of people that don't
Believe in god here

Cause law and order is more important then them
Crap ideas about humanity

Especially Jesus saying " feed the poor"
Now we can skip that
And test them
And call them names
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Re: Georgia governor signs law to drug test some welfare recipients
Since when is addiction a 'lifestyle choice'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


So I guess the first time someone uses drugs the needle just jumps into their arm or the pipe to their lips?
 Quoting: HaroldWesterling


The seriously addicted people I've known started as children, before they were even old enough to understand the consequences.

Often these are children who are turned into addicts by adults offering them drugs until they are hooked, so they can then use them in the sex trade.

It's not a lifestyle choice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46995084


You are talking about a few extreme examples. I live in Georgia and I see most welfare recipients on a daily basis because I work in the city. They are making a choice to use drugs and should not be on the taxpayers dime.
 Quoting: HaroldWesterling


My thoughts exactly. If they can't afford to take care of the kids yet they can afford drugs then they don't need kids, they need the state to take the kids.
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Re: Georgia governor signs law to drug test some welfare recipients
A board that is suspicious of government

With people applauding this
And suggesting taking away children

I suspect tho
That any mention of what someone should do
With children

Comes from people that do not have any
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Re: Georgia governor signs law to drug test some welfare recipients
OMG!!! Hope this spreads! 5*
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Enact this nationwide.

Provide "FREE" drug treatment ONCE!

If the person leaps back off the wagon, NO MORE WELFARE and NO MORE FREE TREATMENT...EVER!

People need to relearn the concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!
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Enact this nationwide.

Provide "FREE" drug treatment ONCE!

If the person leaps back off the wagon, NO MORE WELFARE and NO MORE FREE TREATMENT...EVER!

People need to relearn the concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56727313


A little extreme but I like the way you think.
Gio
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Re: Georgia governor signs law to drug test some welfare recipients
Enact this nationwide.

Provide "FREE" drug treatment ONCE!

If the person leaps back off the wagon, NO MORE WELFARE and NO MORE FREE TREATMENT...EVER!

People need to relearn the concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56727313


A little extreme but I like the way you think.
 Quoting: Giohater


Personal responsibility is an "extreme" concept? Until very recently in human history, you either took care of yourself...OR YOU DIED! I wouldn't call it "extreme", just motivating.
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Enact this nationwide.

Provide "FREE" drug treatment ONCE!

If the person leaps back off the wagon, NO MORE WELFARE and NO MORE FREE TREATMENT...EVER!

People need to relearn the concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56727313


A little extreme but I like the way you think.
 Quoting: Giohater


Personal responsibility is an "extreme" concept? Until very recently in human history, you either took care of yourself...OR YOU DIED! I wouldn't call it "extreme", just motivating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56727313


Im not saying personal responsibility is extreme dude. But a death sentence after one relapse dose sound a little draconian?
Gio
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Ko

I got it now

The majority here are totalitarian

Thnx for the post
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No one took care of themselves or died

Your suggesting that the mentally or physically
Challenged just died?

The blind?

Good things people spared homer ( Iliad)
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Oh
I read "dude"

Neva mind

They kids writing here
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This, like all of the other "Test the poor" programs enacted by other states, will result in increased spending on tests with very little detection, resulting in a massive loss to the taxpayer (and I pay taxes in Georgia).

What the fuck is wrong with you stupid hicks?

The poor people are REALLY the problem in the world?

You stupid motherfuckers are looking in the wrong direction.

"Now, to balance the scale, I'd like to talk about some things that bring us together, things that point out our similarities instead of our differences. 'Cause that's all you ever hear about in this country. It's our differences. That's all the media and the politicians are ever talking about—the things that separate us, things that make us different from one another. That's the way the ruling class operates in any society. They try to divide the rest of the people. They keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other so that they, the rich, can run off with all the fucking money! Fairly simple thing. Happens to work. You know? Anything different—that's what they're gonna talk about—race, religion, ethnic and national background, jobs, income, education, social status, sexuality, anything they can do to keep us fighting with each other, so that they can keep going to the bank! You know how I define the economic and social classes in this country? The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there just to scare the shit out of the middle class. Keep 'em showing up at those jobs."

-George Carlin

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This, like all of the other "Test the poor" programs enacted by other states, will result in increased spending on tests with very little detection, resulting in a massive loss to the taxpayer (and I pay taxes in Georgia).

What the fuck is wrong with you stupid hicks?

The poor people are REALLY the problem in the world?

You stupid motherfuckers are looking in the wrong direction.

"Now, to balance the scale, I'd like to talk about some things that bring us together, things that point out our similarities instead of our differences. 'Cause that's all you ever hear about in this country. It's our differences. That's all the media and the politicians are ever talking about—the things that separate us, things that make us different from one another. That's the way the ruling class operates in any society. They try to divide the rest of the people. They keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other so that they, the rich, can run off with all the fucking money! Fairly simple thing. Happens to work. You know? Anything different—that's what they're gonna talk about—race, religion, ethnic and national background, jobs, income, education, social status, sexuality, anything they can do to keep us fighting with each other, so that they can keep going to the bank! You know how I define the economic and social classes in this country? The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there just to scare the shit out of the middle class. Keep 'em showing up at those jobs."

-George Carlin

If you can't see that you and your predjudices are being PLAYED, then you're stupid.
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They just don't get it. The state will order the kits before the appeals even start. The Gov. and his cohorts in the legislature know this will never stand judicial scrutiny but their buddy, the guy who owns the drug testing kit manufacturing company stands to make a billion off the hicks. Fuck'm, I say. They voted for the criminals.
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Since when is addiction a 'lifestyle choice'?
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Let me guess: you believe he was "born that way", much like the homosexuals are "born that way". Since when did we make lifestyle choices an excuse and therefore kill off all morality all in the same of unicorns and rainbows?
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Re: Georgia governor signs law to drug test some welfare recipients
Don't the people here have any idea just how much it is going to cost to drug test welfare recipients? Doesn't anyone realize that many politicians pushing for this, own or directly profit from the companies doing the testing? Doesn't anyone realize that when they tried this before, less than 2% tested positive, and it wound up costing millions more than it saved? Jesus, is this the United States of Amnesia? Or is everyone just this dumb?

Also, drug tests are VERY easy to pass. A Whizzinator or fake urine works 100% of the times. Stupid waste of time and money. It sounds good in theory, but lets cut the bullshit.





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