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What do we need to do in order to fulfil the criteria required for "First Contact"?

 
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I hate to burst your bubble but Star Trek is fiction—fantasy, as is the idea/notion of ET’s, aliens, annunki, reptilians, greys, etc.... it is all made up for entertainment purposes. There won’t be “first contact” because there is nothing to contact. These things come from the imagination. Nothing based in reality.
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That may be true, but it certainly doesn't stop us from reaching the stars.
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My guesses:

1. universal government and world peace
2. development of advanced power generation
3. ??

I can't see any advanced civilization wanting anything to do with us right now in our sorry state. We are a ghetto planet right now. Violent, fractious, unpredictable. I could see ETs looking at us and thinking, hooo boy, what a mess.

What would/could ETs do for us at this point? With whom would they speak? Who speaks for the world?
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Very good point, we do need to get our house in order.
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Contacts occur(alien), i assume you speak of official contact.
Not much, having it imminent scheduled not so far in our "future", regardless of egoic contradictions.
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That's true, there's no way of discerning whether or not contact has already been made 'privately'.
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Assuming we are living in a "Star Trek universe", what do we need to do to actually make this happen?

I am well aware that this is all hypothetical, but in light of recent global events - if there is even a small chance that we can make that leap forward with our civilization, then we need to do it sooner rather than later. I don't necessarily think that we would need to make a 'warp drive', for I am just taking the "First Contact" idea from Star Trek, not the specific details. It could be something 'relatively easier' than that like perhaps discovering what the Graviton is and that isn't too far away...

Any thoughts?
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The matrix has to support it. it isn't just about first contactit is about remembering who we are. FOR WE ARE part of the cosmos. it is not separate from us.

There is a reason we are quarantined from the cosmos. So the destruction that exists here is contained.

The new matrix is only going to support peace. freedom. happiness. peace. grace. LOVE. honoring. valuing. ourselves. each other. life. NO DESTRUCTION. lol

this is the universal code... the song that the cosmos's dances to. if we are not dancing to this beat we are quarantined in a way which is where we have been for far too long.

this is about to be turned on. going to be a wild ride i imagine here (hopefully any not minute no but second now). this has been being worked on for a very long time by some of the most powerful and courageous and strongest (and don't forget NOBLE) mfers ;) you could know.
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It does seem to appear as if things are very quickly converging to a crossroads. I hope we choose up instead of down.
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Star Trek makes this plain.

Build a space vessel capable of traveling at least Warp 1.

Rival Nation States must be at peace.

Create a planetary government that speaks for Earth.
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Simplistic stuff really in theory, but hard to pull off and but sadly still far off:

For one humanity would have to show that all of them could live with one another. When human beings cannot show that they can live with each other when they are of the same species, how would the whole of civilization react to those who are from another species. Any alien civilizations looking in on earth would refrain from open contact until that condition is met, as xenophobia is a real and very valid concern.

Another thing is the different and opposing factions that are present here on earth and how they interact with each other. What is human culture? What are humans? Anyone looking inside from the outside would be thoroughly confused as there is no actual "human" way of acting and living, there are hundreds if not thousands of different ways of living and many of them contradict each other. I'd pity the ET diplomat having to sort all that out as to not offend the various groups and factions here.

No clear representation makes up point number three. Who should be contacted and negotiated with? Scientists? Religious people? A certain government? Anyone who is contacted will not be accepted by others in human society; even if it's as clear cut as approaching SETI or NASA there are still valid concerns that those organizations do not represent the whole of Planet Earth.

As can be seen, humanity is much further off from open first contact than just inventing a new gadget or two, some very important things have to happen first on a social and civilization wide basis. Oh yeah, there are of course also the matters of making sure a few billion people aren't starving, having renewable power sources, a better understanding into various sciences, understanding humanities' molecular structure, better ways of communication and fostering understanding, and a slew of other things that would also prove very helpful before first contact and any subsequent space exploration. Sadly the only thing humans got going for them so far is global communications, in the form of Internet, TV and smartphones.

Being a science fiction writer gives me an interesting viewpoint into it all and I can actually examine the question from the alien perspective. Earth sadly is still a very messed up place, the list of things that are messed up here would fill a much longer response. But it is also one with great potential, but still far from reaching that same potential.

*H.H*
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Thank you for your input, especially so from the perspective of a sci-fi writer. You are correct and I suppose my 'extreme optimism' does cloud my judgement somewhat. I do feel though that we're headed on an exponential trajectory and such endeavours could be realized sooner rather than later if we worked hard enough. However, it could go both ways.
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The only real-world criteria for establishment of bases on this planet are the value and accessibility of valuable resources.

Thus, the current situation.
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Good point.
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Build this.

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Easier said than done lol.
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The measure of the people is when all have taken the last step AFTER, PAST, and BEYOND all religions into constant Communion which is worship that has no words, no pictures, no routines, no idols, no "services", no mandates. Just Communion.
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In an ideal world that could be true.
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Build this.

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build two , or more.
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Yep that strategy worked for S.R. Hadden.
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Right now, only individual first contact can be made. This is something that is possible with the right mind set.

Collectively, there is too much fear surrounding the topic. If a big mothership suddenly appeared in the sky, too many people would freak out.

If we had more open governments who would welcome first contact, then it would have happened by now. But the power elite do not want to give up that power. Hence the disinformation and the secrets.
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Very good point, like Nelu was also saying - it seems logical that it may very well have already taken place 'privately' and you're absolutely right, the public hysteria of such a major landing would inevitably cause anarchy.
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My thoughts are ;

if a race of intelligent beings was smart enough to figure out how to travel here and communicate with us.....

they would also figure out that this is a planet filled with vile evils ready to kill anything it finds and take its resources....

they would no doubt know to stay away ; if they knew what was good for them....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


They already know what's down here. And they know we are a young planet. We are like toddlers to them. We act without thinking. They understand we are mere babies with alot to learn, develop and mature. They do not judge us as vile, just as we wouldn't call a baby vile because they have not learned any differently yet.

As smart as we think we are, we have ALOT more to learn. They know it.
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Yes - our civilization is very much in its infancy when we take into account our classification on the Kardashev scale.
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Alright I need to go but I will undoubtedly return tomorrow. Once again thank you very much for the contributions!

G'night all. :)

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My thoughts are ;

if a race of intelligent beings was smart enough to figure out how to travel here and communicate with us.....

they would also figure out that this is a planet filled with vile evils ready to kill anything it finds and take its resources....

they would no doubt know to stay away ; if they knew what was good for them....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


They already know what's down here. And they know we are a young planet. We are like toddlers to them. We act without thinking. They understand we are mere babies with alot to learn, develop and mature. They do not judge us as vile, just as we wouldn't call a baby vile because they have not learned any differently yet.

As smart as we think we are, we have ALOT more to learn. They know it.
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How do you know all this?

Yes, an advanced alien race would know humans are takers and would not stop at anything to get what we would want.
Their technology would be very valuable to TPTB.
They would stop at nothing to have it; I am sure of this.

As far as looking at us a children ; babies....

hmmmmm

I think they would look at us as violent, heathens just as they looked at the american indians


You talk as if they would be more our '''protectors""" of some sort....

No, don't be naive.

An alien race when confronted with what they would see as backwards, violent heathens would either

1. decide to leave us alone for many generations ; until we caught up with them and hoped we would advance mentally , spiritually and maybe come back to check every once in awhile....

2. take us out and take our resources.

An advanced race ;unless they had some higher spiritual ideals would treat us much the same way we treated the non technical indians....


I believe, it would be very doubtful there are many higher spiritual minded beings out there. If they do exist; they are very rare.

I believe the majority of beings would only be out for their own race.

I am one of those who looks at life NOT with rose colored glasses.

I guess, this is my own survival instinct.

If an alien presented itself to me ; I would approach with much caution and have my own survival plan. I am not naive.
Living on this evil planet for several decades has taught me to look at things with a cautious eye and always have a way to protect oneself.
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I agree that not all ETs are beneovolent. But, the ones that are far out number the ones that aren't. And we are protected.

And, yes, the benevolent ones are very highly spiritual. You cannot evolve beyond a certain frequency UNLESS your civilization takes the path of benevolence, love and service. We (collectively) have far to go before we learn that high technology is still child's play compareed to what those living in higher frenquencies/dimensions experience. These lessons are learned over millions, sometimes billions of years. That is why we are still infants making stupid selfish decisions. A billion years ago, some of those higher beings were living similar to us, making the same stupid decisions. They see themselves in us and have hope for us.

The reason why you see us as wretched and undeserving is because you are looking and judging us through your own filter. That is how it looks to you. You cannot assume they would feel the same way as you. Their perspective of what they see in us is different.
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YES

You can't assume that ETs are all benevolent in an infinite universe just because we haven't been attacked on a grand scale yet

And we have been already been infiltrated by malevolent "aliens" anyway
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OP you can contact and interact with ETs right now if you learn to astral travel
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My thoughts are ;

if a race of intelligent beings was smart enough to figure out how to travel here and communicate with us.....

they would also figure out that this is a planet filled with vile evils ready to kill anything it finds and take its resources....

they would no doubt know to stay away ; if they knew what was good for them....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


They already know what's down here. And they know we are a young planet. We are like toddlers to them. We act without thinking. They understand we are mere babies with alot to learn, develop and mature. They do not judge us as vile, just as we wouldn't call a baby vile because they have not learned any differently yet.

As smart as we think we are, we have ALOT more to learn. They know it.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


How do you know all this?

Yes, an advanced alien race would know humans are takers and would not stop at anything to get what we would want.
Their technology would be very valuable to TPTB.
They would stop at nothing to have it; I am sure of this.

As far as looking at us a children ; babies....

hmmmmm

I think they would look at us as violent, heathens just as they looked at the american indians


You talk as if they would be more our '''protectors""" of some sort....

No, don't be naive.

An alien race when confronted with what they would see as backwards, violent heathens would either

1. decide to leave us alone for many generations ; until we caught up with them and hoped we would advance mentally , spiritually and maybe come back to check every once in awhile....

2. take us out and take our resources.

An advanced race ;unless they had some higher spiritual ideals would treat us much the same way we treated the non technical indians....


I believe, it would be very doubtful there are many higher spiritual minded beings out there. If they do exist; they are very rare.

I believe the majority of beings would only be out for their own race.

I am one of those who looks at life NOT with rose colored glasses.

I guess, this is my own survival instinct.

If an alien presented itself to me ; I would approach with much caution and have my own survival plan. I am not naive.
Living on this evil planet for several decades has taught me to look at things with a cautious eye and always have a way to protect oneself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


I agree that not all ETs are beneovolent. But, the ones that are far out number the ones that aren't. And we are protected.

And, yes, the benevolent ones are very highly spiritual. You cannot evolve beyond a certain frequency UNLESS your civilization takes the path of benevolence, love and service. We (collectively) have far to go before we learn that high technology is still child's play compareed to what those living in higher frenquencies/dimensions experience. These lessons are learned over millions, sometimes billions of years. That is why we are still infants making stupid selfish decisions. A billion years ago, some of those higher beings were living similar to us, making the same stupid decisions. They see themselves in us and have hope for us.

The reason why you see us as wretched and undeserving is because you are looking and judging us through your own filter. That is how it looks to you. You cannot assume they would feel the same way as you. Their perspective of what they see in us is different.
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I also agree - not to derail this thread too far down the 'Star Trek' trek so to speak, but an advanced intelligence may very well have their own equivalent of a "Prime Directive" in which case they may be observing and/or protecting us but by some intergalactic law are prohibited to interact with such inferior species asourselves except to occasionally 'show up' as a UFO.
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Star Trek makes this plain.

Build a space vessel capable of traveling at least Warp 1.

Rival Nation States must be at peace.

Create a planetary government that speaks for Earth.
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Yes it does.
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They already know what's down here. And they know we are a young planet. We are like toddlers to them. We act without thinking. They understand we are mere babies with alot to learn, develop and mature. They do not judge us as vile, just as we wouldn't call a baby vile because they have not learned any differently yet.

As smart as we think we are, we have ALOT more to learn. They know it.
 Quoting: Earth Daughter


How do you know all this?

Yes, an advanced alien race would know humans are takers and would not stop at anything to get what we would want.
Their technology would be very valuable to TPTB.
They would stop at nothing to have it; I am sure of this.

As far as looking at us a children ; babies....

hmmmmm

I think they would look at us as violent, heathens just as they looked at the american indians


You talk as if they would be more our '''protectors""" of some sort....

No, don't be naive.

An alien race when confronted with what they would see as backwards, violent heathens would either

1. decide to leave us alone for many generations ; until we caught up with them and hoped we would advance mentally , spiritually and maybe come back to check every once in awhile....

2. take us out and take our resources.

An advanced race ;unless they had some higher spiritual ideals would treat us much the same way we treated the non technical indians....


I believe, it would be very doubtful there are many higher spiritual minded beings out there. If they do exist; they are very rare.

I believe the majority of beings would only be out for their own race.

I am one of those who looks at life NOT with rose colored glasses.

I guess, this is my own survival instinct.

If an alien presented itself to me ; I would approach with much caution and have my own survival plan. I am not naive.
Living on this evil planet for several decades has taught me to look at things with a cautious eye and always have a way to protect oneself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19051875


I agree that not all ETs are beneovolent. But, the ones that are far out number the ones that aren't. And we are protected.

And, yes, the benevolent ones are very highly spiritual. You cannot evolve beyond a certain frequency UNLESS your civilization takes the path of benevolence, love and service. We (collectively) have far to go before we learn that high technology is still child's play compareed to what those living in higher frenquencies/dimensions experience. These lessons are learned over millions, sometimes billions of years. That is why we are still infants making stupid selfish decisions. A billion years ago, some of those higher beings were living similar to us, making the same stupid decisions. They see themselves in us and have hope for us.

The reason why you see us as wretched and undeserving is because you are looking and judging us through your own filter. That is how it looks to you. You cannot assume they would feel the same way as you. Their perspective of what they see in us is different.
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YES

You can't assume that ETs are all benevolent in an infinite universe just because we haven't been attacked on a grand scale yet

And we have been already been infiltrated by malevolent "aliens" anyway
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Very good points indeed. In an infinite universe (or actually, just a very very very large universe) we could expect a ratio of malevolency to benevolency of approximately 1:1.
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OP you can contact and interact with ETs right now if you learn to astral travel
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I barely even know what that is let alone even attempted it - but I am intrigued.

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I really do appreciate the contributions, highly thought-provoking and when I made this thread I thought it wouldn't yield any responses at all because it is certainly 'out there' as ideas go. Thank you very much once again.
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I have assumed that most people visiting this thread have seen Star Trek: First Contact, but for those who haven't seen this movie, it's pretty good and thought-provoking and of course the reason I decided to start this thread - although I was only thinking of the idea and not the whole movie per se.

Here is the trailer:

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Stopping the stupid wars and stop acting like a self absorbed child race couldn't hurt...
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Stopping the stupid wars and stop acting like a self absorbed child race couldn't hurt...
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I have assumed that most people visiting this thread have seen Star Trek: First Contact, but for those who haven't seen this movie, it's pretty good and thought-provoking and of course the reason I decided to start this thread - although I was only thinking of the idea and not the whole movie per se.

Here is the trailer:


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Sorry for the double post OP delete one if you want. Love this movie.
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I have assumed that most people visiting this thread have seen Star Trek: First Contact, but for those who haven't seen this movie, it's pretty good and thought-provoking and of course the reason I decided to start this thread - although I was only thinking of the idea and not the whole movie per se.

Here is the trailer:


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Sorry for the double post OP delete one if you want. Love this movie.
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No need to apologize, I have also accidently double-posted, 'tis quite alright. :)
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Stopping the stupid wars and stop acting like a self absorbed child race couldn't hurt...
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Btw that's very true. I don't know how we can stop all the wars from happening and suddenly invoke peace - but it'd be a step in the right direction. Well, that's an enormous understatement, for it would be a massive leap. If we are being observed then they must think we're absolutely crazy bonkers warring over territory on the surface of a giant rock aka Earth.
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I forgot to mention when making this thread that I also wanted to include the idea that if "First Contact" isn't possible then we still have the means to further our civilization. It was just one of a few ideas. I'm still not quite sure whether there is anything to this as such, but it's worth mentioning that a few weeks ago I toyed with an idea that we could use a form of mathematical reasoning for something and as an additional addendum to this and I quote myself from earlier in the thread:

As an important side note, I do often wonder whether or not we are being observed already. Take UFO's for instance, covering all possibilities that they could logically be, they may be categorized as follows:

1. Hoax
2. Mistaken identification.
3. Some form of advanced human aircraft.
4. Extra terrestrial biological entities.
5. Time travellers.

We're more concerned with 4. and 5. for the time being. "First Contact" is a real possibility for our discussion and also, if I wanted to visit the past by means of time travel and required a cover, being 'identified' as a UFO would be it. UFO is also a good cover for 3. as well coming to think of it.

Anyway, whether or not "First Contact" exists as a possibility, we still do need to try our very best to advance and the opportunity is here whether or not we are alone in the universe. Scientific discoveries are breaking the boundaries at an exponential rate and we can make it.

I, for one, would like to see us reach the stars before WWIII.
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Can we not consider this and specifically for this case part 5. which I forgot to add when I made the thread ...and I also quote myself from a few weeks ago:

I am Brave Sir Tim, or I was - but since I have had to use hiding rather a lot I have demoted myself to a 'Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Launcelot' moniker for the foreseeable future.

I was watching the 'We Are From The Future' video the other day because somebody posted it on here and it got me into thinking, maybe they are from the future or maybe not - but one thing is for certain, human civilization needs to make a leap forward and quickly before warand all the other negativity in our world destroys any chances we have of advancing and realizing our full potential in the universe.

In mathematics there are a series of mathematical proofs that can be done in order to prove an algebraic expression is true for all numbers. One of thse is called a 'mathematical proof by induction' whereby you assume A for example in order to prove B, and by proving B you are also proving A - which, of course, no longer becomes an assumption but is proved to be so. In short if you assume something is correct, then you can prove it as well - not always, but sometimes.

Now if we take time travel, for instance. If we assume it is possible, can we not make it possible by proving it is possible if it is possible?

We can't simply use a mathematical induction method but to try to attempt to take the idea into the physical world - maybe we can deliberately create a paradox in order to make the advance we need. So we can start by assuming something exists in the future, then proving it must exist to be so in the present (and the past if necessary) - and therefore proving that it must also exist in the future.

We have all seen science fiction movies and they imaginatively depict how life could be, but if we assume that we are visited by somebody from the future and try to establish what they would advise us by using logic, reasoning and our imaginations thereby attempting to deliberately create the paradox that we are visited by somebody in the future - could that actually help us to leap forward to the next level in our civilization?

I will be away for a little while but I would like to discuss this and other ideas with like-minded people you more upon my return. Looking back this is actually quite nonsensical but I like this place for accepting everyone's thoughts.

Peace, love & happiness.
 Quoting: Sir-Tim-The-Not-Quite-So-Brave


Taken from: Thread: Interesting idea (or maybe not actually) with regard to mathematical induction and paradoxes.

Whether or not we are alone in the universe doesn't really matter, "First Contact" can occur in more than one way, either we make contact with extraterrestrial beings or we make it ourselves with Alpha Centauri and beyond...
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05/11/2014 05:00 PM
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Re: What do we need to do in order to fulfil the criteria required for "First Contact"?
Oh dear I didn't mean to include the 'Brave Sir Tim' bit in that quote loloh well sorry about that, it's a reference to Monty Python & the Holy Grail and I switched to 'not so brave' anyway, that's not important. Also





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