Is USA sacrificing Western Europe ,Japan and South Korea for coming war with russo-chinese alliance?

The problems in ukraine seems to have started with aim of disrupting EU russia relations.There was never doubt that russians were hungry for previous superpower status.But current EU leadership have struck few good deals with russians and the business was booming.
Here comes the blackwater and victoria nulland to destroy some peace in Europe.
There are war drums beating in europe although normal europeans never think war will start.But USA n Nato desperately want a war,any war.
The problem with south china sea started by japanese provocation and constant meddling by USA in south china sea is escalating tensions.
Chinese already gave few lessons to USA:in 2008,they sold chunk of treasury and started economic crisis.They also fired few ballistic missiles near US shore.
I don't say russia and china are great nations but they have shown admirable restraint over constant provocation by USA n EU into their patch

Are you some kind of politically correct imbecile ?

Bad luck in geographical locations is not the result of a vast US conspiracy. If a Russian-Chinese pact threatens the Republic, then the best venue for alternative dispute resolution is on their borders and then their cities.

Europe's and Asia's history goes back thousands of years, too bad for them that they just never seem to get it right.

The Chinese have remained neutral in this and have shown no support for Russia but have called for restraint so your argument is bullshit.

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Looks like Russia is on her own. China's economy depends too much on America.

Yeah, that's a shame. Europe and Asia should be friends, not foes.

Western Europe will fight with America as I am sure Japan and south Korea will since they are America's allies.

It has never been feasible for the US to defend Europe. Let's assume a non-nuclear NATO member gets attacked, what then?

Do you see the President realistically ordering a launch against Russia? Or going head-to-head with troops?

Not likely.

The US would let the dust settle and then talk it out. The nuclear option is last resort, when all hope is gone. It just prevents Russians/Chinese from making a direct assault on the US.

Thus, NATO is not an alliances it more of a comfort blanket for weaker nations in the EU.

Even Britain and France would not be able to up much of fight against Russia. Certainly, the US would be of no help either.

Honestly, the Russian could come all the way to the borders of France without anyone doing a damn thing about it.

That said, there is little incentive for the Russians to do that. Its not economically viable as proved by the collapse of the USSR. The nations are dead weight with little-to-no natural resources. Selling them shit and taking their cash is the only thing they are good for. That's probably why Russia never entered the Ukraine in a broader fashion.

Now Istanbul and Romania are different stories. Istanbul is the gateway to the Black Sea and Russia is determined to have free access there. Romania has oil/gas in the black sea and the Russians don't like the competition. So, no doubt that area will become hot in the near future.

That said, the rest of NATO will be quiet. There is not much they can do against short range nukes.

Rubbish.

Last Edited by Revelator28 on 05/11/2014 09:46 AM

i think imbecility shows in your reply

EU is vassal state to USA...Their history after WW2 is controlled by USA..
They will be used as pawns in war against russia and china

No, we will fight together of our own free-will just like the two World Wars. We will fight together because our nations share the same people. But most importantly, God will fight with us and for us since we are his people.

USA was neutral in both world wars..and look what happened

China already supported russia and signed a mega trillion gas deal..chinese are also going to build bridge from russia to crimea

Every few months,US neocons publish article about war against china

search it on net

The aim of USA is to finish off china forever

Remember who started 2008 crisis?remember who sent missiles to US shoreline?

In event of war,russia and china will fight together..they have no alternative

can you tell me why chinese will maintain their neutrality when USA is openly willing to eliminate them?

i don't think so
Euroepans raped asis from last 500 years and asians are sick of it..
if their is chance to offer payback,asians will take it

europeans also consider asians as some aort of inferior race..

this is surprising..i mean why would western europe fight with USA?

The US was not neutral, they both provided funding and material support that ultimately resulted in events that won them the public support to officially enter the conflicts.

Pearl harbour was a response to US actions, not an unprovoked attack.

RUSSIANS LOST AGAINST TURKS IN ww1
AND TURKS NEVER forget their enemies
rest of the things you wrote are correct
But UK,FRANCE AND GERMANY are not exactly weak nations
They have nukes,army,navy to match russia
their combined army can easily defeat russia but russians can destroy these nations completely

US funded nazis before 1939 and then supported russians after 1941..they were just selling goods..
they entered war when chances of winning it became clearer

this is nothing more then a play for assets and an attempt to slow down BRICS ultimate blow on the IMF and FED

Yes

Having nukes is only part of the story, to be honest I would be highly doubtful of their effectiveness.

The technological difference is greater than most people expect, Russia and the US would be in quite a different league militarily.

The capability of these nations to deliver a blow is questionable. The one thing that is for certain, is that it would result in each of the nations becoming a car park. That's not something I see any of them resorting too, even if complete invasion was likely.

As I said though, I see no economic basis for such action on the behalf of Russia. The EU is pretty worthless.

but will europe and japan south korea survive the doom?is USA willing to lose them?

On the subject of war any war fighting, the victor always fought the war of the future. Premising one's war-fighting on last century's successes does not place one ahead of the curve.

Russia always choses adulterous bed partners in war, always. China, well a metro SWAT unit can easily pacify a rogue urban neighborhood, numbers are not THE key. Israel US the classic case study, size does not define success.

The US military can cut the head off ANY snake on planet earth ... and that is Russia and China's reality (whether they accept it or not).

The quest for dominance will find the primary nations alway dancing around the edge of war . Lets hope it does not happen. But when it does happen, the loser will fight a modern version of WWII and the victor will cut the head from the snake and then mope up the stunned legions.

okay they may not start nuke war or conventional war
but how longer europe can fight economic war with russia when russia has oil,gas and raw materials?

There is no real doom. Its a racket mostly. It cost an estimated $10 Billion to invade the Crimea, $18 Billion was obtained from defense exports as a result during the same period, with probably 5x as much over the next few years. The US does the same in the middle east. UAE has bought all sorts of crap, from toasters to missile defense platforms.

So, put the shits up the EU and the cash rolls in.

If you believe that I've got a bride for sale. China and Russia not only share a physical border their economies are interdependent.
They have no future as global powers without each other so I understand your wishful thinking.

All you have to do is keep your eyes on the Russian gas pipelines going into Eastern Europe and Western Europe. If Russia blows them up then it's real.

The situation can only degrade since the West will not stop until there are missiles as close to the Russian border as possible pointing at Moscow.

Russia is being put into a corner and at some point they will have to blow up the pipelines to hurt Western Europe and put THEM in a corner.

Things will go global at tat point. WWIII.

"Bridge" not Bride

The days of vast armies marching in to conquer and hold land are long gone - nowadays it is cultural and economic subversion - and liberal democracies are pretty much defenseless against such tactics.

Europe and USA have been gutted culturally demographically and financially - full scale societal collapse is a foregone conclusion and can be instigated at any time with only a minor event.

As it is Russia is poised to claim Europe and the M.E after the muslims have been used to collapse it, probably being wiped out in the process.

China could (and will) take a post-collapse USA with the greatest of ease.

This is how it stands today with a high degree of certainty, I don't see that TPTB have worked for as long as they have for this result - obvious remedy would be for the TPTB to severely nuke both Russia and China once collapse is underway.

Or maybe they have something more imaginitive or subtle lined up!

If the US goes into social collapse then the obvious plan is to turn it into the next North Korea. The big threat to the US is not from abroad, but an automated military internally.

The framework for this already exists and is supported by a lot RF gear aimed at soft targets.

Examine the change in the US and you can see the slow consolidation of power to a Politburo-type system with power condensed around the executive branch.

We will sacrifice any an all country's for are Owen gain an the gain of are handlers.
After all someday the handlers will decide its are turn again.
But they will never allow a full scale nuclear war.
It will cut to deep into there profits.

good rant but it has been months and USA still have not attacked russia..As per your words,US military can cut heads off entire russia in instant.
but it has not happened yet..we are tired of waiting
iraq war started in 24 hrs...afghan in just 2 months...now russia is much underdeveloped third world country with almost no military and no weapons to speak of
And USA still have not attacked them.i wonder why?