why do "Christians " abhor homosexuality because the Bible condemns but most are ok with divorce and remarry when the Bible says it adultery

everybody is doomed due to lying.

That still doesn't excuse you for mixing textiles, which you've no doubt done on many occasions, nor the myriad other Old Testament laws that you've broken.

Or does this 'new covenant' you speak of abolish the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy?

Why is Jesus the only way to heaven/God?



Why is Jesus the only way? Because Jesus said He was the only way. "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me," (John 14:6). Of course, just because someone says he is the only way, doesn't mean he is. But, this is why we need to look at Jesus' miracles as a proof that He was right about who He said He was. Jesus walked on water, calmed a storm with a command, raised people from the dead, and rose from the dead Himself. It is the fact of His incredible deeds.

Now, if Joe Schmoe on the street said that he was the only way to God, we'd look at him and say, "Yeah, right." But, if Joe calmed a storm with a command, raised someone from the dead, walked on water, etc., that would add a lot of credibility to his claim. After all, he is demonstrating extraordinary abilities consistent with his claim.

This is the case with Jesus. He made extraordinary claims and performed extraordinary deeds. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that what Jesus said was true -- especially since He claimed to be God (John 8:24,58; 10:30-33; 5:18). The old testament prophets spoke of the Messiah-Jesus.

Also, consider that no one else has done what Jesus has done. No one else has risen from the dead, calmed storms, raised others from the dead, and fulfilled numerous prophecies, etc. Though some may have claimed to be able to do one or two of these things, none have done all the things Christ has done as well as claim divinity. Since Christ has done all of these things and since He claims to be God in flesh, then it is logical to believe what He has said... that He is the only way.

Bzzzzz wrong again....Jesus said it mattered not what you feed your body as it goes in one end and comes out the other, but rather what you feed your heart and soul that matters because it stays in your heart and soul.

cause dick in ass is nasty OK?

In verse 5, for it to be 'sanctified by the word of God' means that its biblically permitted to eat according to Leviticus 11 already. Sanctioned by God as being good for food. In Ephesus all foods were offered up to Idols . The audience in this letter were coming out of paganism. What was being explained here was that everything that is clean according to God, even though offered up to idols before being sold in the market place or served in resturants was acceptable if thanks giving was offered up to the true God before eating. This is not a scripture that condones eating anything unclean. Just the opposite, it actually shows that those who came out of paganism were knowledgable of the dietary laws between clean and unclean meats.
The dietary laws of the old testament were scientifically based on the digestive tract and diet of the animal. I do not think that Christs death changed any of these two things in the animal kingdom.

I tend to agree with this.

Sin is sin. Period.

ALL sin is an abomination to God. Period.

Homosexual sin or divorce of your wife are both sins, and God hates both.

If christians have a problem with one and not the other, that is a HUMAN response to a perception that certain sins are less egregious and others are not. It's simply not true in God's universe.

He judges all sins fairly and justly. Period.

can you post the bible reference for that please?

This discussion has already played out. You can swap out the 'eating' rules in my above post for any of the other things God finds to be an abomination in the Old Testament, wearing clothes of mixed fabrics, planting different types of seeds next to each other, sitting on the same sofa as a woman on her period, shaving, etc.

The point ultimately is, the Bible doesn't grade sin on a scale, sin is sin, and the sins you commit are every bit as bad as homosexuality, and wherever they end up when they die, so too shall you.

They may even have a better chance than you, because at least some of them may feel shame on some level.

Are you ashamed of wearing your 50% cotton, 50% polyester shirt?

Probably not.

Matthew 19. The pharisees test Jesus.

Question: Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for JUST ANY REASON?

In the time of Moses, men were marrying women and then just casting them aside for ANY REASON. Because these cast aside women had been with a man,(not a virgin) it was obvious that they 'belonged' to someone else. Nobody would take them or their children in (if any). There began be to be a social and economic problem with the many number of abandoned women and children in the community and noone to care for them. To solve this issue, Moses was instructed to have the men give a woman a certificate of divorce before casting them out. Therefore, if any man would so choose, they could legally take them in and care for them with out either being in fear of committing adultery.. This is the reason why divorce was permitted in the old testament.

Dueteronomy 24:1-4. Gives us insight . A man who finds no favor in his wife must give her a certificate of divorce so she may be with another husband with out fear of adultery.. If she has been with another husband, the first one could not take her back ,because in doing so would cause that man to sin in adultery.

Jesus took this idea and went a step further, letting the pharisees who tried to test him know that the divorce certificate, which protected the woman in this case, did not ,in fact, protect the man who gave it to her. Not only would taking her back from another man constitute adultery, but also attempting to replace her with another woman as his wife made him guilty of adultery also.

The reason that the woman is not addressed here is because of the nature of the question asked by the pharisees.

The moral of this story by Jesus is.....
the woman who was given the certificate was free from the marriage, but the man who gave her the certificate WAS NOT!

Amen...

how else could someone understand differently ... Because the Word of God needs no interpetertation because it inteperts it self

Hmmmm

While I find a lot in your post to agree with I would have to disagree

Sins are "graded " differently " .....if your pointing out that all sin is grievous to God then I whole heartedly agree but some sins are "graded" different in the eyes of God

is all sin punished by God ? ....yes ......but some sins are more grievous to God ......Jesus said that the sin of blasphemy wouldn't be forgiven in this age or the age to come if you blasphemed against the Holy Spirit


Sin is sin no doubt ....yet just as some bothers/ irritates/ grieves us humans more then others.....some sins bother God more then others and since Jesus laid out plainly the case of "blasphemy " ....we know that He judges sin differently

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Because "Christians" are useless pieces of shit, as are Catholics, and all others.

Fuck them all.

I cannot even think of one brother or sister I know that would condone divorce outside of adultery...further more most I know wouldn't automatically throw in the towel if betrayed through adultery!

Can't know for sure...but I'd bet a dozen doughnuts your a shill!

Why yes, it does. We are under a new covenant, the covenant of grace. You see, if you can follow here, the old Testament Israel was a Theocracy, it no longer exists and there is no longer a Temple there. If you go forward you will see there is no longer a government on earth where God is the head and the people are joined into a bi lateral covenant, as in, if thou will, I will - now we are under grace, as in, I did it all for you, dying the death required for sin, so you might live. Isn't God good? He knew the Israelis and even the world could not keep their part of any covenant, fallen as we are, so He gave us mercy in the death of His Son, who paid the price in full, once for all, for those that are called, chosen and elected.

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...but it all makes for goodly retarded and obedient slaves and lackeys, though... Oops, I said too much! (**spoiler alert**)

I agree ...

Some sin is more "looked at differently" to God ...every sin has it's punishment ....just as in life ...some transgressions of the "law" naturally deserves varying degrees of punishment ....So also does the laws of God

Well, just pick your own slave master then, because even you in your rebellion, follows the wisdom of the death makers. God is life, and we love Him and gladly follow Him, we are not slaves so much as we are His, because He loves us so.
Your freedom was written by someone, I think it was Crowley, "do as thou wilt" He is dead now but he left a legacy for you

I have to agree with you here. To me this is where the very beginning of understanding what the role of God is concerning righteous judgement and what that really means.

Haha.....give me my dozen donuts!!!.....all from Krispy Kreme

I'm just curious to how other professing Christians believe

Why do so many Christians feel they need to be fruit pickers for Jesus?

... and all others? Gee, that would include you. Way to go, curse your own self, while you curse things you no nothing of.

Why don't you read the Bible and find out the answer to your question?

I have read the Bible and it amazes me that "professing Christians" pick and chose what they believe from,the Holy Script..

But I am,interested in your views ...that's why I started this thread

Because alot of christians are not true christians alot of christians i know are small minded and hypocritical.

In Matthew 19:8, Jesus says:

"Jesus replied, "Moses permitted divorce only as a concession to your hard hearts, but it was not what God had originally intended."
[link to biblehub.com]

The law of Moses allowed people to get divorced, but that is not how God wants it to be. This is proof that the law of Moses is not the only law that God has ordained.

Originally, divorce was forbidden. Allowing divorce in the law of Moses was because the Israelites were so hard hearted.

I've always hated this argument and find it wildly offensive. My husband and I are unable to conceive. Is our marriage based on sterility and death? Is our marriage is a "deathstyle"? We can produce no life. When we come together would you consider it to be "pursuit of sexual thrills", "narcissism" and "selfishness"?

If so, does that mean when couples are no longer able to bear children, they should no longer have sex?

Bingo.

The 'new covenant' can't abolish the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy without also abolishing the law against homosexuality.