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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44325972 United States 06/17/2014 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The oceans are dying, especially the Pacific, due to the permanent injection of deadly radiation. Large fish are gone from most of the worlds oceans. There are several ELE's happening now, and Fukushima is in the middle of the list. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59352812 Japan 06/17/2014 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The oceans make 80% of the oxygen that we breathe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44325972 The oceans are dying, especially the Pacific, due to the permanent injection of deadly radiation. Large fish are gone from most of the worlds oceans. There are several ELE's happening now, and Fukushima is in the middle of the list. This is very easy to debunk: [link to www.nsr.go.jp] |
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M1.618
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M1.618
User ID: 57277453 Canada 06/18/2014 02:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bacteria? Ask them, not me! Could be bacteria ... but lots o whacky things going on with marine life since Fuku started spewing radiation into the environment ... Could be bacteria, or could be Fuku! How's that ice wall working? wmMmw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59352812 Japan 06/18/2014 03:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59352812 Could be bacteria ... but lots o whacky things going on with marine life since Fuku started spewing radiation into the environment ... Could be bacteria, or could be Fuku! How's that ice wall working? It is working: Fukushima - June 18, 2014, TEPCO has started freezing the water at intersections of turbine buildings inside the trenches (tunnel) from April 28, 2014, which contain contaminated water at Fukushima Daiichi NPS. This operation is one of the first steps to remove contaminated water from the trenches which is a major mile stone for TEPCO's decommissioning at Fukushima Daiichi NPS. On June 16, TEPCO has announced some difficulties that were encountered with an effort to freeze standing water inside the tunnel which TEPCO has been implemented countermeasures since early June. However, this has nothing to do with the "ice wall (Land-side impermeable wall with frozen soil)" which is constructed by freezing the soil surrounding pipes that carry circulating refrigerant. Unfortunately, there are some miss understandings as relating to the ice wall that is being built around the perimeter of the four reactor units for the purpose of blocking groundwater. This freezing the standing water inside the trenches are entirely different from the ice wall, which the technology is used to freeze soil, creating a frozen wall - not really an "ice wall" but in fact a wall of frozen soil - was tested and demonstrated to be effective before construction on the wall began in May. Instead of freezing the soil, TEPCO has to freeze standing water inside the trenches. [link to www.tepco.co.jp] Could it be the Canadian Oil Sand Industry which is killing "our" Sea Stars? Or the Canadian Uranium Mines, which make the Canadian Society fat and fatter? |
M1.618
User ID: 57277453 Canada 06/18/2014 03:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could be bacteria ... but lots o whacky things going on with marine life since Fuku started spewing radiation into the environment ... Could be bacteria, or could be Fuku! How's that ice wall working? It is working: Fukushima - June 18, 2014, TEPCO has started freezing the water at intersections of turbine buildings inside the trenches (tunnel) from April 28, 2014, which contain contaminated water at Fukushima Daiichi NPS. This operation is one of the first steps to remove contaminated water from the trenches which is a major mile stone for TEPCO's decommissioning at Fukushima Daiichi NPS. On June 16, TEPCO has announced some difficulties that were encountered with an effort to freeze standing water inside the tunnel which TEPCO has been implemented countermeasures since early June. However, this has nothing to do with the "ice wall (Land-side impermeable wall with frozen soil)" which is constructed by freezing the soil surrounding pipes that carry circulating refrigerant. Unfortunately, there are some miss understandings as relating to the ice wall that is being built around the perimeter of the four reactor units for the purpose of blocking groundwater. This freezing the standing water inside the trenches are entirely different from the ice wall, which the technology is used to freeze soil, creating a frozen wall - not really an "ice wall" but in fact a wall of frozen soil - was tested and demonstrated to be effective before construction on the wall began in May. Instead of freezing the soil, TEPCO has to freeze standing water inside the trenches. [link to www.tepco.co.jp] Could it be the Canadian Oil Sand Industry which is killing "our" Sea Stars? Or the Canadian Uranium Mines, which make the Canadian Society fat and fatter? Probably is not good for any living thing... but the kill rate is different, Personally don't like any of them. Or conventional energy in general ... but then it is needed for ice walls & the such... Thread: Fukushima Update: MASSIVE FAILURE AT FUKUSHIMA. p53 (Page 30) I don't agree with your assessment of the ice barrier ... Time will tell. wmMmw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59352812 Japan 06/18/2014 03:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could be bacteria ... but lots o whacky things going on with marine life since Fuku started spewing radiation into the environment ... Could be bacteria, or could be Fuku! How's that ice wall working? It is working: Fukushima - June 18, 2014, TEPCO has started freezing the water at intersections of turbine buildings inside the trenches (tunnel) from April 28, 2014, which contain contaminated water at Fukushima Daiichi NPS. This operation is one of the first steps to remove contaminated water from the trenches which is a major mile stone for TEPCO's decommissioning at Fukushima Daiichi NPS. On June 16, TEPCO has announced some difficulties that were encountered with an effort to freeze standing water inside the tunnel which TEPCO has been implemented countermeasures since early June. However, this has nothing to do with the "ice wall (Land-side impermeable wall with frozen soil)" which is constructed by freezing the soil surrounding pipes that carry circulating refrigerant. Unfortunately, there are some miss understandings as relating to the ice wall that is being built around the perimeter of the four reactor units for the purpose of blocking groundwater. This freezing the standing water inside the trenches are entirely different from the ice wall, which the technology is used to freeze soil, creating a frozen wall - not really an "ice wall" but in fact a wall of frozen soil - was tested and demonstrated to be effective before construction on the wall began in May. Instead of freezing the soil, TEPCO has to freeze standing water inside the trenches. [link to www.tepco.co.jp] Could it be the Canadian Oil Sand Industry which is killing "our" Sea Stars? Or the Canadian Uranium Mines, which make the Canadian Society fat and fatter? Probably is not good for any living thing... but the kill rate is different, Personally don't like any of them. Or conventional energy in general ... but then it is needed for ice walls & the such... Thread: Fukushima Update: MASSIVE FAILURE AT FUKUSHIMA. p53 (Page 30) I don't agree with your assessment of the ice barrier ... Time will tell. You go with Pseudo-Scientist & Wart-Trolls because they speak the Language you are able to understand! Btw. the Sea Stars here in Japan are very genki, so i think it is just a "Regular" Mass Die-Off without a deeper Meaning but it could be also Microplastics or Hormones from the US American Meat Industry, what do we/ i know! It is very important to investigate it and People like you should refrain from calling other People out (Shill!) because of the declared and confirmed Non-detection of Radioactivity in the Sea Water |
Distant Echo
User ID: 51010991 United Kingdom 06/18/2014 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone who says different is mislead or misleading. Also, here's a first hand visual account of the state of the Pacific off Japan. [link to www.theherald.com.au] Last Edited by Distant Echo on 06/18/2014 03:59 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59352812 Japan 06/19/2014 07:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fuku is far worse than Chernobyl. Quoting: Distant Echo Anyone who says different is mislead or misleading. Also, here's a first hand visual account of the state of the Pacific off Japan. [link to www.theherald.com.au] Read it, think and Research it: [link to skeptoid.com] |
M1.618
User ID: 57277453 Canada 06/19/2014 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fuku is far worse than Chernobyl. Quoting: Distant Echo Anyone who says different is mislead or misleading. Also, here's a first hand visual account of the state of the Pacific off Japan. [link to www.theherald.com.au] Read it, think and Research it: [link to skeptoid.com] The article is shill garbage, defending Tepco & nuclear power that has no defence - if this is not obvious now to some, it never will be. Get this into your head without your poor rebuttal that wastes time to read. 1 there is a nuclear plant that is out of control, that there is no way to contain or remediate with known technology - that is why robots and ice walls are being developed. 2 people and animals are dying from cancer caused by the disaster, even though you do your best to discredit and disprove this. 3 The fact that you refuse to accept this means that you are either mad, ignorant, or lack the honour to stand for truth by betraying your people and all who live on this earth, defending an evil corporation and he nuclear industry. wmMmw |
M1.618
User ID: 57277453 Canada 06/19/2014 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: M1.618 Could be bacteria ... but lots o whacky things going on with marine life since Fuku started spewing radiation into the environment ... Could be bacteria, or could be Fuku! How's that ice wall working? It is working: Fukushima - June 18, 2014, TEPCO has started freezing the water at intersections of turbine buildings inside the trenches (tunnel) from April 28, 2014, which contain contaminated water at Fukushima Daiichi NPS. This operation is one of the first steps to remove contaminated water from the trenches which is a major mile stone for TEPCO's decommissioning at Fukushima Daiichi NPS. On June 16, TEPCO has announced some difficulties that were encountered with an effort to freeze standing water inside the tunnel which TEPCO has been implemented countermeasures since early June. However, this has nothing to do with the "ice wall (Land-side impermeable wall with frozen soil)" which is constructed by freezing the soil surrounding pipes that carry circulating refrigerant. Unfortunately, there are some miss understandings as relating to the ice wall that is being built around the perimeter of the four reactor units for the purpose of blocking groundwater. This freezing the standing water inside the trenches are entirely different from the ice wall, which the technology is used to freeze soil, creating a frozen wall - not really an "ice wall" but in fact a wall of frozen soil - was tested and demonstrated to be effective before construction on the wall began in May. Instead of freezing the soil, TEPCO has to freeze standing water inside the trenches. [link to www.tepco.co.jp] Could it be the Canadian Oil Sand Industry which is killing "our" Sea Stars? Or the Canadian Uranium Mines, which make the Canadian Society fat and fatter? Probably is not good for any living thing... but the kill rate is different, Personally don't like any of them. Or conventional energy in general ... but then it is needed for ice walls & the such... Thread: Fukushima Update: MASSIVE FAILURE AT FUKUSHIMA. p53 (Page 30) I don't agree with your assessment of the ice barrier ... Time will tell. You go with Pseudo-Scientist & Wart-Trolls because they speak the Language you are able to understand! Btw. the Sea Stars here in Japan are very genki, so i think it is just a "Regular" Mass Die-Off without a deeper Meaning but it could be also Microplastics or Hormones from the US American Meat Industry, what do we/ i know! It is very important to investigate it and People like you should refrain from calling other People out (Shill!) because of the declared and confirmed Non-detection of Radioactivity in the Sea Water I come up with my own conclusions and you & Tepco vs many independent others, that have opinions based on logic without much agenda, unlike Tepco... I choose the ones that are encouraging transparency, accountability, responsibility and involvement from many in dependant parties. Unlike you or Tepco... wmMmw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59352812 Japan 06/19/2014 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fuku is far worse than Chernobyl. Quoting: Distant Echo Anyone who says different is mislead or misleading. Also, here's a first hand visual account of the state of the Pacific off Japan. [link to www.theherald.com.au] Read it, think and Research it: [link to skeptoid.com] The article is shill garbage, defending Tepco & nuclear power that has no defence - if this is not obvious now to some, it never will be. Get this into your head without your poor rebuttal that wastes time to read. 1 there is a nuclear plant that is out of control, that there is no way to contain or remediate with known technology - that is why robots and ice walls are being developed. 2 people and animals are dying from cancer caused by the disaster, even though you do your best to discredit and disprove this. 3 The fact that you refuse to accept this means that you are either mad, ignorant, or lack the honour to stand for truth by betraying your people and all who live on this earth, defending an evil corporation and he nuclear industry. Could it be that YOU are wrong or that the real Truth is somewhere in the Middle? Until now there is Zero Evidence (Zero!) that Fukushima is responsible for all the Dirt and Suffering in the World, also it is a very rude Behavior to call a Article "Shill-Article" without providing at least a bit of a credible Source for an Reply I think that you are wrong and don't want to lose your personal Mantra! But i don't mind, go with maniac Trolls like K. Blanch, Shills like Hysterical Caldicott and Snake Oil Busby but i dont! |
M1.618
User ID: 57277453 Canada 06/19/2014 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fuku is far worse than Chernobyl. Quoting: Distant Echo Anyone who says different is mislead or misleading. Also, here's a first hand visual account of the state of the Pacific off Japan. [link to www.theherald.com.au] Read it, think and Research it: [link to skeptoid.com] The article is shill garbage, defending Tepco & nuclear power that has no defence - if this is not obvious now to some, it never will be. Get this into your head without your poor rebuttal that wastes time to read. 1 there is a nuclear plant that is out of control, that there is no way to contain or remediate with known technology - that is why robots and ice walls are being developed. 2 people and animals are dying from cancer caused by the disaster, even though you do your best to discredit and disprove this. 3 The fact that you refuse to accept this means that you are either mad, ignorant, or lack the honour to stand for truth by betraying your people and all who live on this earth, defending an evil corporation and he nuclear industry. Could it be that YOU are wrong or that the real Truth is somewhere in the Middle? Until now there is Zero Evidence (Zero!) that Fukushima is responsible for all the Dirt and Suffering in the World, also it is a very rude Behavior to call a Article "Shill-Article" without providing at least a bit of a credible Source for an Reply I think that you are wrong and don't want to lose your personal Mantra! But i don't mind, go with maniac Trolls like K. Blanch, Shills like Hysterical Caldicott and Snake Oil Busby but i dont! Fuku is not responsible for all the dirt and suffering in the world, But it is bad, how bad only time can tell. Yes there is sensationalism in some members of the anti Fuku camp, but there are some who are more conservative that have valid points aligning with my concerns as well as that of others. Call it what you wish that is. BS article without valid arguments or diversity in credible sources for information. Why do you defend something that is a PR agenda for Tepco, fighting the anti Fuku shill is not a good argument. Because Tepco is really really sorry and is now trying hard and doing a good job is not a reason. If your are concerned about the fear mongering, your efforts add more to fear them reduce fear - due to the evidence Tepco presents & their ability to do so. This effects every living thing that all who live on earth are accountable too. Why do you defend Tepco and the downplay the disaster when it is obvious there is no way to fix it that is know. Therefore the development of robots & ice walls. Why do you do it? wmMmw |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 49353580 United States 06/21/2014 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMHO...YES. Quoting: The Old Timer I worked for the AEC for 30+ years.....I would like to think otherwise but.....what happened can not ever in 100 lifetimes be reversed. It will be slow....but as sure as the sun rises it will contaminate the entire planet......in less than 100 years for sure. My wife has found me crying from time to time......when I think about my beautiful grandchildren and what they face........we crapped out this time my friends thank you now - what CAN we do for our children? miso/seaweed diet? baking soda/ epsom salt baths? iodine? or is it time to move south of the border? we have been noticing thinning hair in our area -both our selves and people in our daily environment. have other symptoms of low level radiation. any more wisdom for us. blessings to you and your family. I am doing my best to love my own and live each day as if it were my last.... |
Chugiakian
User ID: 53604407 United States 06/21/2014 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fuku is far worse than Chernobyl. Quoting: Distant Echo Anyone who says different is mislead or misleading. Also, here's a first hand visual account of the state of the Pacific off Japan. [link to www.theherald.com.au] Read it, think and Research it: [link to skeptoid.com] The article is shill garbage, defending Tepco & nuclear power that has no defence - if this is not obvious now to some, it never will be. Get this into your head without your poor rebuttal that wastes time to read. 1 there is a nuclear plant that is out of control, that there is no way to contain or remediate with known technology - that is why robots and ice walls are being developed. 2 people and animals are dying from cancer caused by the disaster, even though you do your best to discredit and disprove this. 3 The fact that you refuse to accept this means that you are either mad, ignorant, or lack the honour to stand for truth by betraying your people and all who live on this earth, defending an evil corporation and he nuclear industry. Could it be that YOU are wrong or that the real Truth is somewhere in the Middle? Until now there is Zero Evidence (Zero!) that Fukushima is responsible for all the Dirt and Suffering in the World, also it is a very rude Behavior to call a Article "Shill-Article" without providing at least a bit of a credible Source for an Reply I think that you are wrong and don't want to lose your personal Mantra! But i don't mind, go with maniac Trolls like K. Blanch, Shills like Hysterical Caldicott and Snake Oil Busby but i dont! seems to me, you take the same approach to any ENENEWS article. You dismiss it before looking at any of the source material contain within. Chugiakian |
Chugiakian
User ID: 53604407 United States 06/21/2014 09:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: M1.618 Chernobyl has been arguably "contained" for years, as is "localized" due to its bioregion, the soil composition that is what it is. Fukushima was built on a poor foundation on a beach on a tectonically active island... Unlike Chernobyl Fukushima has not been "contained" & the only logical plan is "icewall robots" Unlike Chernobyl ... it will not work ... As even to "contain" Chernobyl comes at great cost. This is in little way comforting. And you are here with the agenda...) When? will it be contained how? a.) Chernobyl's Core is not "Contained", the Core itself was expelled (min. 20% by Official Sources, much more by independent Scientists) and the rest burned for at least 10 Days, now it is "Covered" with highly Radioactive Debris and Concrete which cant stand Heat or Radioactive Decay! b.) Fukushima is build on Bedrock while Chernobyl is build on coarse Gravel, Chernobyl is sitting on a Swamp/ Wetland while Daiichi used a Cliff! c.) There are no "Ice Wall Robots" d.) Nothing worked in Chernobyl only the Soviet Lies and some People, like the typical "Russia Today" Reader, still believe in their Hoaxes. e.) Daiichi is still Contained, there is not even one credible Source who said it is uncontained! f.) The Coria is already cooled down a lot and in 5-10 Years they will start to dismantle the whole Plant, something like this will never happen in the Ukraine's Chernobyl! (compare it with the Data of TMI and how long the Americans waited until they started to look inside) I have no Agenda but i am tired of this Bs. published by the Non-Informed like you & Fliends! You are misinformed & misinforming others How is it "contained" when it has to be cooled by sea water exposed to radiation dumped into the pacific? And no one that is informed believes you and the hive tepco shill mind. It's just a matter of time as time is a friend of truth ... & what has been released from its box is extremely difficult too capture & contain. Children die of cancer Fukushima persimmon blossoms die A smile is painted on a monster with makeup, A star melts into the earth, beside the ocean U R funny The Cooling Water is in Circulation, means it get Desalinated, Used and Recycled until it is toooo concentrated, in this Case it go to the Tanks! Every single nuclear Power-station need Cooling, normally this Water is in a Circuit too! I cant upload Pictures but everyone will find the needed Info on Google Images! There are no and there will be no dying Children in Fukushima because of this Accident! Guess you haven't been keeping up with current events…. Thread: Fukushima Update: MASSIVE FAILURE AT FUKUSHIMA. p53 (Page 31) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Last Edited by Chugiakian on 06/21/2014 09:23 AM Chugiakian |
Chugiakian
User ID: 53604407 United States 06/21/2014 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Fukushima Update: MASSIVE FAILURE AT FUKUSHIMA. p53 (Page 31) take a few minutes and watch this. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Chugiakian |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46552577 United States 06/21/2014 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think Fukishima has far more reaching results than Chernobyl did. Quoting: CanadaIn NIC Chernobyl didn't see seafood and a major food source for the world contaminated after all.. As to release of material, not sure.. Chernobyl might have released more... Thing about the Chernobyl meltdown was they actually tried to put it out and did finally get control over it. Japan isn't doing shit and the rest of the world is ignoring it. this^^^ plus Japan is dumping into the ocean and killing it. five star and pin suggest |
Citizenperth
User ID: 40732720 Australia 06/21/2014 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Chugiakian
User ID: 53604407 United States 06/21/2014 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks Grumpier, sorry about your differences with the Hutchinsons ... they are good people doing what they think is best ..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56039511 Thanks for the sliver of Hope !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are good people for sure. They work hard for what they believe in. That what they believe in, the possibility of transmutation through the application of signals, has been confirmed in several publications. It also coincides with my personnel experience. If they win....WE WIN This is very interesting. Thanks for sharing Grumpier Chugiakian |
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User ID: 40732720 Australia 06/22/2014 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks Grumpier, sorry about your differences with the Hutchinsons ... they are good people doing what they think is best ..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56039511 Thanks for the sliver of Hope !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are good people for sure. They work hard for what they believe in. That what they believe in, the possibility of transmutation through the application of signals, has been confirmed in several publications. It also coincides with my personnel experience. If they win....WE WIN This is very interesting. Thanks for sharing Grumpier had an hour an a half teleconference with nancy last night.. will post up an article... they are sending out some units... no bad blood between the hutchinsons and grumpier ;) It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59464727 Japan 06/22/2014 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59271427 Noty at this moment, 01.12am/ 06/17/14 Many People have the wrong Imagination and a strange Reality. What? Every melted reactor is three time worse than Chernobyl was. Where do you think? sssssssssssssssssss You believe in Pseudo-Science Chernobyl's Core exploded and burned for at least 10 Days, something like this never happened in Fukushima Daiichi! (Explosion Vs. Melt-Down) Chernobyl lost at least 25% of the nuclear Inventar, Daiichi lost ca. 2% (which is a lot) |
Citizenperth
User ID: 40732720 Australia 06/22/2014 03:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59271427 Noty at this moment, 01.12am/ 06/17/14 Many People have the wrong Imagination and a strange Reality. What? Every melted reactor is three time worse than Chernobyl was. Where do you think? sssssssssssssssssss You believe in Pseudo-Science Chernobyl's Core exploded and burned for at least 10 Days, something like this never happened in Fukushima Daiichi! (Explosion Vs. Melt-Down) Chernobyl lost at least 25% of the nuclear Inventar, Daiichi lost ca. 2% (which is a lot) you still playing the loser game atom-twat..... Pseudo-Science not like anyone believes you anymore.... or are you getting rice per post? Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 06/22/2014 03:07 AM It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |