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Anonymous Coward User ID: 51070718 United States 06/20/2014 01:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or does God tell us we can drink moderately? Quoting: Hymn 31008511 FACTS TO KNOW 1) The Bible does teach total abstinence from alcohol. Both the main Hebrew word for wine and the Greek word for wine can mean either fermented grape juice or intoxicating wine. The English word wine originally had two meanings also - unfermented juice or alcoholic drink. 2) In the Bible, verses to show God approves of wine are speaking about unfermented juice. Verses that expose the evils of wine are speaking about intoxicating wine. 3) The Bible says alcoholic drink is evil. It is not just the amount one drinks that makes drinking a sin. God condemns the drink itself. (Prov 20:1 KJV) Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. 4) God does not lead us into evil; He delivers us from it. He does not teach us to practice evil in moderation. Jesus did not make, use, approve, commend, or tell us to use intoxicating wine. 5) God made man to have fellowship with Him. Alcohol goes directly to the brain, the communication center of the body. It interferes with God’s purpose for mankind. 75 WARNINGS There is more Scripture condemning the use of alcoholic beverages than will be found on the subjects of lying, adultery, swearing, cheating, hypocrisy, pride, or even blasphemy. 1) Genesis 9:20-26 - Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble. 2) Genesis 19:30-38 - Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality 3) Leviticus 10:9-11 - God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy. 4) Numbers 6:3 - The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine. 5) Deuteronomy 21:20 - A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious. 6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness. 7) Deuteronomy 32:33 - Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps. 8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 - Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink. 9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine. 10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 - Nabal died after a drunken spree. 11) 2 Samuel 11:13 - By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin. 12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 - Amnon was drunk when he was killed. 13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 - The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated 14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 - Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites. 15) Esther 1:5-12 - The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come. 16) Psalm 75:8 - The Lord’s anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked. 17) Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence. 18) Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging. 19) Proverbs 23:19-20 - A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages. 20) Proverbs 23:21 - Drunkenness causes poverty. 21) Proverbs 23:29-30 - Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes. 22) Proverbs 23:31 - God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks. 23) Proverbs 23:32 - Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder. 24) Proverbs 23:33 - Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation. 25) Proverbs 23:34 - Alcohol makes the drinker unstable 26) Proverbs 23:35 - Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning. Alcohol is habit forming. 27) Proverb 31:4-5 - Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment. 28) Proverbs 31:6-7 - Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. Better anesthetics are available today. 29) Ecclesiastes 2:3 - The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:8) 30) Ecclesiastes 10:17 - A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink. 31) Isaiah 5:11-12 - Woe to those who get up early to drink and stay up late at night to get drunk. 32) Isaiah 5:22 - Woe to "champion" drinkers and "experts" at mixing drinks. 33) Isaiah 19:14 - Drunken men stagger in their vomit. 34) Isaiah 22:12-13 - The Israelites choose to drink; their future looks hopeless to them. 35) Isaiah 24:9 - Drinkers cannot escape the consequences when God judges. 36) Isaiah 28:1 - God pronounces woe on the drunkards of Ephraim. 37) Isaiah 28:3 - Proud drunkards shall be trodden down. 38) Isaiah 28:7 - Priests and prophets stagger and reel from beer and wine, err in vision, and stumble in judgment. 39) Isaiah 28:8 - Drinkers’ tables are covered with vomit and filth. 40) Isaiah 56:9-12 - Drinkers seek their own gain and expect tomorrow to be just like today. 41) Jeremiah 35:2-14 - The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed. 42) Ezekiel 44:21 - Again God instructed the priests not to drink wine. 43) Daniel 1:5-17 - Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends. 44) Daniel 5:1 - Belshazzar, ruler of Babylon; led his people in drinking. 45) Daniel 5:2-3 - The king, along with his nobles, wives, and concubines, drank from the goblets which had been taken from God’s temple. 46) Daniel 5:4 - Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods. 47) Daniel 5:23 - God sent word to Belshazzar that punishment would be swift for the evil he had committed. 48) Hosea 4:11 - Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence. 49) Hosea 7:5 - God reproves princes for drinking. 50) Joel 1:5 - Drunkards awake to see God’s judgment. 51) Joel 3:3 - The enemy is judged for selling girls for wine. 52) Amos 2:8 - Unrighteous acts of Israel included the drinking of wine which had been taken for the payment of fines. 53) Amos 2:12 - Israel is condemned for forcing Nazarites to drink wine. 54) Micah 2:11 - Israelites are eager to follow false teachers who prophesy plenty of intoxicating drinks. 55) Nahum 1:10 - The drunkards of Nineveh will be destroyed by God. 56) Habakkuk 2:5 - A man is betrayed by wine. 57) Habakkuk 2:15 - Woe to him that gives his neighbor drink. 58) Habakkuk 2:16 - Drinking leads to shame. 59) Matthew 24:48-51 - A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return. 60) Luke 1:15 - John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine. 61) Luke 12:45 - Christ warned against drunkenness. 62) Luke 21:34 - Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return. 63) Romans 13:13 - Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality. 64) Romans 14:21 - Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer. 65) 1 Corinthians 5:11 - If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him. 66) 1 Corinthians 6:10 - Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God 67) Galatians 5:21 - Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God. 68) Ephesians 5:18 - In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit. 69) 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 - Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night and darkness. 70) 1 Timothy 3:2-3 - Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine. 71) 1 Timothy 3:8 - Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers. 72) 1 Timothy 3:11 - Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober. 73) Titus 1:7-8 - An overseer is to be disciplined. 74) Titus 2:2-3 - The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine. 75) 1 Peter 4:3-4 - The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life. Sooooooooo, what exactly are you trying to say? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59443601 United States 06/20/2014 01:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was the ultimate party guest!! HE turned water into wine....lots of it!! In biblical times wedding parties typically lasted three or more days, hence the wine runeth out....Jesus made MORE wine at the request of his mother, this after three hard days of partying and drinking wine by all the guests. Anyone who thinks drinking is against Christian dogma is sadly mistaken. If you believe in the scriptures, Jesus' own actions condone and approve the partaking of said beverages, cheers!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57063452 Israel 06/20/2014 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In judaism we win is a very important thing in the shabbet meal...as part of the meal we need to bless the wine and drink 3 glasses of it... also there is a holyday in which the jewish people were saved by the good king of persia empire(maybe with help of god) and the holyday literaly transalated to "untill one will not remmber" in which we need to drink for 1 night untill we wont remmber our names... dont say that alcohol is prohibited in Judaism... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31444157 Canada 06/20/2014 02:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was the ultimate party guest!! HE turned water into wine....lots of it!! In biblical times wedding parties typically lasted three or more days, hence the wine runeth out....Jesus made MORE wine at the request of his mother, this after three hard days of partying and drinking wine by all the guests. Anyone who thinks drinking is against Christian dogma is sadly mistaken. If you believe in the scriptures, Jesus' own actions condone and approve the partaking of said beverages, cheers!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59443601 You think Jesus was talking about alcohol? Interesting |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42095573 United States 06/20/2014 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Biblical wine is fermented grape juice, aka real wine. Grapes vines only produce at particular times of year and the unfermented juice does not keep very long, hence the use by dates on the cartons. Wine, however, can keep for a very long time. One need not read the Bible for proof that booze ruins lives. There is a great cloud of witnesses surrounding us that testifies to the fact. Most people cannot have one or two drinks and stop before they become drunk. Many would probably not bother drinking at all if they did not get a buzz from it. So it seems that it is not the wine that is the problem, but the one consuming it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42095573 United States 06/20/2014 02:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was the ultimate party guest!! HE turned water into wine....lots of it!! In biblical times wedding parties typically lasted three or more days, hence the wine runeth out....Jesus made MORE wine at the request of his mother, this after three hard days of partying and drinking wine by all the guests. Anyone who thinks drinking is against Christian dogma is sadly mistaken. If you believe in the scriptures, Jesus' own actions condone and approve the partaking of said beverages, cheers!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59443601 You think Jesus was talking about alcohol? Interesting So your experience is that people drink grape juice at weddings? The master of the feast at the wedding of Cana would go out of his way to comment on the quality of one glass of grape juice being better than the next? Why would he talk about people normally bringing out the lesser quality stuff after guests have drank freely, first? Perhaps after the initial buzz, subsequent glasses go down easier? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31444157 Canada 06/20/2014 02:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was the ultimate party guest!! HE turned water into wine....lots of it!! In biblical times wedding parties typically lasted three or more days, hence the wine runeth out....Jesus made MORE wine at the request of his mother, this after three hard days of partying and drinking wine by all the guests. Anyone who thinks drinking is against Christian dogma is sadly mistaken. If you believe in the scriptures, Jesus' own actions condone and approve the partaking of said beverages, cheers!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59443601 You think Jesus was talking about alcohol? Interesting So your experience is that people drink grape juice at weddings? The master of the feast at the wedding of Cana would go out of his way to comment on the quality of one glass of grape juice being better than the next? Why would he talk about people normally bringing out the lesser quality stuff after guests have drank freely, first? Perhaps after the initial buzz, subsequent glasses go down easier? I don't hold the belief that Jesus came to talk about alcohol. I am basically, at this point, not a "Christian" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42095573 United States 06/20/2014 02:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From what i have read, He did not really talk about it much at all. According to the scriptures, however, turning water into Wine was His first miracle. There are denominations that are tee totalers and they have their reasons, but wine is wine. You have been turned off to Christianity? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1195999 United States 06/20/2014 02:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was the ultimate party guest!! HE turned water into wine....lots of it!! In biblical times wedding parties typically lasted three or more days, hence the wine runeth out....Jesus made MORE wine at the request of his mother, this after three hard days of partying and drinking wine by all the guests. Anyone who thinks drinking is against Christian dogma is sadly mistaken. If you believe in the scriptures, Jesus' own actions condone and approve the partaking of said beverages, cheers!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59443601 You think Jesus was talking about alcohol? Interesting So your experience is that people drink grape juice at weddings? The master of the feast at the wedding of Cana would go out of his way to comment on the quality of one glass of grape juice being better than the next? Why would he talk about people normally bringing out the lesser quality stuff after guests have drank freely, first? Perhaps after the initial buzz, subsequent glasses go down easier? I don't hold the belief that Jesus came to talk about alcohol. I am basically, at this point, not a "Christian" Call yourself whatever you want or nothing at all- Your beliefs are you own and your relationship with God is your own. I don't think he came back to talk about Wine, but lets be real, alcohol is what was served at celebrations for thousands of years before and after Christ and is a part of this world. Wine is not a sin, It can lead to sin yes, but what is in a man's heart is there for God to see always- while wine sometimes lets us glimpse what is in a man's heart. God Bless |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31444157 Canada 06/20/2014 02:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So your experience is that people drink grape juice at weddings? The master of the feast at the wedding of Cana would go out of his way to comment on the quality of one glass of grape juice being better than the next? Why would he talk about people normally bringing out the lesser quality stuff after guests have drank freely, first? Perhaps after the initial buzz, subsequent glasses go down easier? I don't hold the belief that Jesus came to talk about alcohol. I am basically, at this point, not a "Christian" Call yourself whatever you want or nothing at all- Your beliefs are you own and your relationship with God is your own. I don't think he came back to talk about Wine, but lets be real, alcohol is what was served at celebrations for thousands of years before and after Christ and is a part of this world. Wine is not a sin, It can lead to sin yes, but what is in a man's heart is there for God to see always- while wine sometimes lets us glimpse what is in a man's heart. God Bless So of course He used metaphors to relate to us as humans. Bread/bible wine/blood fruit/gifts water/life |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59367562 United States 06/20/2014 03:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or does God tell us we can drink moderately? Quoting: Hymn 31008511 FACTS TO KNOW 1) The Bible does teach total abstinence from alcohol. Both the main Hebrew word for wine and the Greek word for wine can mean either fermented grape juice or intoxicating wine. The English word wine originally had two meanings also - unfermented juice or alcoholic drink. 2) In the Bible, verses to show God approves of wine are speaking about unfermented juice. Verses that expose the evils of wine are speaking about intoxicating wine. 3) The Bible says alcoholic drink is evil. It is not just the amount one drinks that makes drinking a sin. God condemns the drink itself. (Prov 20:1 KJV) Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. 4) God does not lead us into evil; He delivers us from it. He does not teach us to practice evil in moderation. Jesus did not make, use, approve, commend, or tell us to use intoxicating wine. 5) God made man to have fellowship with Him. Alcohol goes directly to the brain, the communication center of the body. It interferes with God’s purpose for mankind. 75 WARNINGS There is more Scripture condemning the use of alcoholic beverages than will be found on the subjects of lying, adultery, swearing, cheating, hypocrisy, pride, or even blasphemy. 1) Genesis 9:20-26 - Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble. 2) Genesis 19:30-38 - Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality 3) Leviticus 10:9-11 - God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy. 4) Numbers 6:3 - The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine. 5) Deuteronomy 21:20 - A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious. 6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness. 7) Deuteronomy 32:33 - Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps. 8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 - Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink. 9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine. 10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 - Nabal died after a drunken spree. 11) 2 Samuel 11:13 - By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin. 12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 - Amnon was drunk when he was killed. 13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 - The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated 14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 - Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites. 15) Esther 1:5-12 - The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come. 16) Psalm 75:8 - The Lord’s anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked. 17) Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence. 18) Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging. 19) Proverbs 23:19-20 - A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages. 20) Proverbs 23:21 - Drunkenness causes poverty. 21) Proverbs 23:29-30 - Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes. 22) Proverbs 23:31 - God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks. 23) Proverbs 23:32 - Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder. 24) Proverbs 23:33 - Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation. 25) Proverbs 23:34 - Alcohol makes the drinker unstable 26) Proverbs 23:35 - Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning. Alcohol is habit forming. 27) Proverb 31:4-5 - Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment. 28) Proverbs 31:6-7 - Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. Better anesthetics are available today. 29) Ecclesiastes 2:3 - The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:8) 30) Ecclesiastes 10:17 - A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink. 31) Isaiah 5:11-12 - Woe to those who get up early to drink and stay up late at night to get drunk. 32) Isaiah 5:22 - Woe to "champion" drinkers and "experts" at mixing drinks. 33) Isaiah 19:14 - Drunken men stagger in their vomit. 34) Isaiah 22:12-13 - The Israelites choose to drink; their future looks hopeless to them. 35) Isaiah 24:9 - Drinkers cannot escape the consequences when God judges. 36) Isaiah 28:1 - God pronounces woe on the drunkards of Ephraim. 37) Isaiah 28:3 - Proud drunkards shall be trodden down. 38) Isaiah 28:7 - Priests and prophets stagger and reel from beer and wine, err in vision, and stumble in judgment. 39) Isaiah 28:8 - Drinkers’ tables are covered with vomit and filth. 40) Isaiah 56:9-12 - Drinkers seek their own gain and expect tomorrow to be just like today. 41) Jeremiah 35:2-14 - The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed. 42) Ezekiel 44:21 - Again God instructed the priests not to drink wine. 43) Daniel 1:5-17 - Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends. 44) Daniel 5:1 - Belshazzar, ruler of Babylon; led his people in drinking. 45) Daniel 5:2-3 - The king, along with his nobles, wives, and concubines, drank from the goblets which had been taken from God’s temple. 46) Daniel 5:4 - Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods. 47) Daniel 5:23 - God sent word to Belshazzar that punishment would be swift for the evil he had committed. 48) Hosea 4:11 - Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence. 49) Hosea 7:5 - God reproves princes for drinking. 50) Joel 1:5 - Drunkards awake to see God’s judgment. 51) Joel 3:3 - The enemy is judged for selling girls for wine. 52) Amos 2:8 - Unrighteous acts of Israel included the drinking of wine which had been taken for the payment of fines. 53) Amos 2:12 - Israel is condemned for forcing Nazarites to drink wine. 54) Micah 2:11 - Israelites are eager to follow false teachers who prophesy plenty of intoxicating drinks. 55) Nahum 1:10 - The drunkards of Nineveh will be destroyed by God. 56) Habakkuk 2:5 - A man is betrayed by wine. 57) Habakkuk 2:15 - Woe to him that gives his neighbor drink. 58) Habakkuk 2:16 - Drinking leads to shame. 59) Matthew 24:48-51 - A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return. 60) Luke 1:15 - John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine. 61) Luke 12:45 - Christ warned against drunkenness. 62) Luke 21:34 - Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return. 63) Romans 13:13 - Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality. 64) Romans 14:21 - Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer. 65) 1 Corinthians 5:11 - If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him. 66) 1 Corinthians 6:10 - Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God 67) Galatians 5:21 - Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God. 68) Ephesians 5:18 - In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit. 69) 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 - Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night and darkness. 70) 1 Timothy 3:2-3 - Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine. 71) 1 Timothy 3:8 - Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers. 72) 1 Timothy 3:11 - Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober. 73) Titus 1:7-8 - An overseer is to be disciplined. 74) Titus 2:2-3 - The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine. 75) 1 Peter 4:3-4 - The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life. Using alcohol in and of itself is not bad or frowned upon in the bible?! The misuse of alcohol is what is being addressed. There are many verses which condone and allow for wine, and even STRONG drink for various occasions or reasons. So, YES, you can drink as long as you do it moderately and in a respectable manner. Occasionally you might imbibe too much by accident also (That bottle wasn't 80 proof, but 100 proof!!), but to seek after it continuously and have it consume your life is what is being warned against. |
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User ID: 29210809 Germany 06/20/2014 04:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Drinking alcohol = no sin! 2. Get Drunk = sin! (because you don't control yourself in these situations and this leads to other sins) 3. Wine in the bible is wine (not unfermented whatever). Wine has a spiritual meaning (the older it gets the stronger and better it gets - think about it!) Jesus is Lord! Thread: The most important question... First Contact/Aliens Thread: Nephilim: True Story of Satan and his Fallen Angels. Archeological and Biblical evidence suppressed!! Thread: For Christians with a strong stomach... Thread: Mark Of The BEAST = Islam, One World Religion Thread: Concrete Evidence! Vatican Wrote Koran! Thread: Mecca in Mystery Babylon! Tons of proofs -------- Thread: ASSASSINATIONS OF (WALL STREET/WORLDWIDE?) BANKERS GOING DOWN - HIT TEAMS FULLY OPERATIONAL -------- [link to rikijo.blogspot.de] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31444157 Canada 06/20/2014 04:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Drinking alcohol = no sin! Quoting: Cudilicious 2. Get Drunk = sin! (because you don't control yourself in these situations and this leads to other sins) 3. Wine in the bible is wine (not unfermented whatever). Wine has a spiritual meaning (the older it gets the stronger and better it gets - think about it!) And I bet you have been called out for saying this type of thing |
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User ID: 59388419 Australia 06/20/2014 05:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Drinking alcohol = no sin! Quoting: Cudilicious 2. Get Drunk = sin! (because you don't control yourself in these situations and this leads to other sins) 3. Wine in the bible is wine (not unfermented whatever). Wine has a spiritual meaning (the older it gets the stronger and better it gets - think about it!) Does it really matter... all your sins will be forgiven. |
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