I've made a decision that is going to change my life and I hope the lives of others! I'll need all the strength I can muster.

Apparently you don't read, AC. Day 4.

As I go through these phsycal manifistations from the diahareah, to the sneezing watery eyes, runny nose to the urges that I am trying tovercome. I look to try to see things more clearly and as I approach day 5 maybe things will be clearer than yesterday. Immodium helps with the runs. and Benedryl helps with the nasal issues!! And as I try to find myself again!!! With everybodies' help and support which you all have freely given to me I shall try to return it 10fold through my good deed here on earth so after I accomplish this recovery it is no telling what both YOU and I can do!!!!!

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DAY FOUR is safely under his belt

This is sundown on DAY FIVE and GG is into the long stretch which should start to give some glimpses of relief

Not over the ordeal by any means, but getting into the time when the texture and urgency of the ordeal begin to give a little mercy

Here is wishing for some respite , some light moments, some sence of turning the corner

A lot of us posting in this thread have been down this -- or a similarly grueling -- chemical ordeal

Relief will come, we cannot guarantee when, but we are living proof that it does come

Your Name should goodmockingbird the dove of peace!! In my mind anyway You give such words of encouragement and support. There is s specieal place in the hereafter for you
Much peace and Love to you always
Guitarguy55

About those urges... If you have not already destroyed your "stash" or turned it over to the hands of a trusted person ... Do so now

Best is if you can just stay put, call someone to come over and get the stash and destroy or secure it off premises

If you do not have someone available to do this, look up various AA groups in your area, call a clubhouse and ask if someone can come over and help you destroy your stash.

I am serious! Do exactly as I said. There are lots and lots of AA groups meeting on Friday nights and they will know exactly what you are talking about and they will NOT think you are crazy. They will know you are smart and are heeding good advice

Plus you'll meet new friends and probably get invited to a meeting

AA may or may not be for you, but they are kindred souls and no strangers to your situation!!!

Don't hesitate to reach out to AA or Narcotics Amonymous people. You are as much a blessing to them as they can be to you

The 12 Step thing may or may not be for you, but they are definitely allies along the same path

i have a tremendous Bible called The Life Recovery Bible which follows the 12 steps as well as the complete Bible with recovery themes to provide support!! I am and willk be starting a Chronic Pain Support Group to help others after I accomplish this

I have never personally experienced addiction to narcotics or alcohol but my life has been liberally sprinkled with loved ones who have. It's very sad to see people you love struggling and suffering until one day they discover their own personal key to triumph. When that day comes, all the pain, worry and anguish becomes forgotten history, so great is the joy of self-determination.

You can do it, you know you can.

You have the strength.

My daughter flushed my stash in my presence there is nothing to faal back on even in secret!!!

Good.

Your words of strength an encouragement are a rock for me and I truly appreciate them !!! more than you know
All the peace and Love in the world to you
Guitarguy55

Good nbighy all I am going to try an get a little rest, see e
veryone tomorrow
Guitrguy55

Goodnight

I hope you can get some refreshing sleep

By Day Five it should be on schedule for you to start getting some interludes of "real" sleep either tonight or very soon

Enjoy it when it comes your way

You have chosen wisely and I am proud of you.
Cleanse,
Minerals
Vitamins
Ice Thoracic

How is the Cervical?
Are you aware of Occipital Neuralgia?
Do you feel Occipital adjustment AKA Sacro Occipital Technique will help?
How are your SCM muscles?
They are difficult to stretch.
Creams may help loosen them.

Hey Gg55...

...just got home from work and thought I'd see how you are doing on the thread...

...your probably long abed, so I'll leave you some music for tomorrow {later today}...

...sleep well friend, and KNOW that you are well thought of and loved!...


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Right now the insomnia is what's bothering me the most !!! Closing my eyes I can only think of Drugs and I wonder if any one else has had such difficulty? I am sure that this in a subconcence desire to use again!! I wonder how you fight this dragon because it makes the desire unusually strong and I do not want to fall backward on this. What can do to keep this at bay this is something new tome

Peace and Love
Guitarguy55

Insomnia my friend and thank you so much

Thanks you for the music I really appreciate it. The worst thing I have right now is insomnia the worst thing I noticed about having insomnia is sitting there with eyes wide open, mind racing, every thought about drugs have to get up and down stairs wishing you could fall asleep, tossing and turning with your arms jerking to and fro!!!! wondering when it will stop. Do things pass on there own or is there something I can do?

These things cycle and come back around from time to time and at the beginning its the worst. This is the mental aspect of the addiction your fighting when it invades and makes your mind obsessive. Find something you love perhaps music and drown it out as best you can. All you need to do is buy yourself time. Every tick on that clock is a win. Read scriptures and if you can't concentrate enough pray or even chant if you have to. Meditate. The dark hours of night are sometimes the worst because all is quiet except your mind. Try not to worry. This WILL pass I promise you.

Thanks again Suz I honestly appreciate you support It means more that ever know!!
Godspeed and Much Peace and Love to you
Guitarguy55

Thank you very much that makes tremendous sense I'll think I'll try it now
again much thanks
Peace and Love
Guitarguy55

Hey G...one more for the road...

...good night...


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I have to try and get some rest myself but I'll check in tomorrow and see how your doing. Im praying for you. You can do this and you have done such a great job so far. You have tremendous strength in your mind and your charecter.Much love to you!

God, you people are so stupid. Meds are poison, they don't work. I don't care how many years a person has to study to become a doctor. The main problem with both professionals and consumers alike is that their belief system around the concept of "medication" is in itself flawed; it has its roots on a classic human psychological flaw, a perceptual deficiency. I'm talking about self-suggestion and placebo effect; it's what keeps the lies about pharmaceuticals alive. You see, meds only seem to work because 99.999% of the time the person seeks them ONLY WHEN the sickness has already escalated beyond their bearing point, which is when the person is losing HOPE and becoming AFRAID. Psychologists know that when thee is FEAR there is enhanced suggestibility and the desire to seek outside help. You can bribe a fear-ridden person to believe almost anything. Now you gonna say "so what? as long as the medicine works..." Wrong, it still doesn't do anything. Just like any natural process, common diseases have a bell-shaped pattern or curve of evolution: slow beginning, steep acceleration, plateau, and then a decline which returns health to normal. That is, just like a disease can appear out of nowhere, it can also go away. Good luck trying to identify single causes -- life doesn't work that way as causes are generally multiple and intertwined. Anyway, whether you want to blame your cure on fairies or on your precious medication is your choice. Truth about life is that you gotta toughen up, become harder, resistant, impervious to common diseases, which are nothing more than your health suffering natural oscillations. Stuff from the outside world does not make you better, it only seems to (illusion). Getting better must come from within , from inner strength. Truly spiritual people know that.

"You gotta be bad, you gotta be bold, you gotta be wiser
You gotta be hard, you gotta be tough, you gotta be stronger
You gotta be cool, you gotta be calm, you gotta stay together
All I know, all I know, love will save the day" -- lyrics from DES'REE - You Gotta Be

And of course, I don't want to be blamed for killing anyone, but if you feel strong and prepared like OP then go ahead and make a controlled experiment. And of course, always consult your doctor... :)

The muscle spasm will pass. Get up and read something uplifting or even just mindlessly entertaining. Soothing music. Something with a calm theme, nothing exciting. Not TV or net.

Take a bath with epsom salts in it. Warm baths (hydrotherapy) help with all kinds of physical problems. You can take as many baths as you want to in this phase.

Live in the bathtub if it helps. Anything to buy more time.

Just break the cycle of mind racing and drug thoughts. It is called thought karma in some places and it is your bad past trying to reclaim you.

The insomnia is common, often followed by other sleep disturbances. But if you know what is coming, you can't be ambushed by it.

It will pass. Remember, whatever you encounter in this miserable stretch of the road,

This too shall pass.

I posted some things earlier about leg spasms... club soda, epsom salts in the bath, etc. Do that before you go to bed to help out your poor ragged nervous system.

What happens with opiates is this (I hope I am not duplicating an earlier post by somebody else here):

The opiate drug (morphine, heroin, etc) kills the pain messages by blocking the nerve synapse that sends the message to the brain. The body responds by making new nerve synapses to send the pain message. The drug blocks those. The body makes more. The drug blocks those, the body makes more etc etc etc

When the drug is removed those synapses start working again, sending messages to the brain, many many more messages than before the drug use. This is why the withdrawals are so bad, you are operating with way too many nerve synapses and hightened sensitivity to stimuli such as substances (sheets, blankets, clothing) touching your skin.

The extra synapses will wither away, I promise you. But none of us can predict when. Doing those things to stay clean, replenish your body with healthy building materials, quelling the negative thoughts, etc ... all those things will help you get through it and shorten the time.

Try to meditate, it does help. You probably will have trouble doing so, but keep trying.

Each day will continue to get better and better.

More prayers goin' your way today. You can do it.

Insomnia is hell. I take vicks Nyquil a lot for that...it does help.

Also, if someone could go out and get you some turkey sandwich meat...turkey has a natural sleep aide in it.

You could put the turkey in a salad or a sandwich or alone.

Can you order anything off of amazon?

If you can order valerian and kratom...these will really help.
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You're welcome Guitarguy.

I've tried to help people who hit bottom and asked me for help, by helping them help themselves. I would not do it for them but would love and support and help with other things while they do it themselves.

I don't want them blaming me for their failures so I make sure they know the moment they stop trying, so do I.

I love them and always will but there is a point with addicted persons when they must confront themselves in order to change.

So far, my loved ones have made improvements with their lives because they did just that. Any small step forward is worth recognizing and feeling proud of.

Good luck, guitar guy. Haven't read all 10 pages, but have some (waay too much!!) experience with back pain and daily grounding helps. We made our own grounding pads and hooked them up to both our bed and office floor and footstools - and the back pain that has been on & off but most on for decades is off, even when I do considerable exertion/manual labor.

Best to you!

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You can do this for free if you have an uncoated cement floor (started in part of our basement that wasn't painted to check it out) or access to fresh grass or soil that isn't dried to the bone - dry desert doesn't transmit the energy well.

The restlessness, insomnia , obsessive intrusive thoughts, jerking awake... oh yeah.

Just like a nuerological frenzy

It's probably at some of its worst about now

You've gotten past the seizure threshold, and now you're in for the medium length just plain Rough Time

During addiction, the brain gets rewired. It learns to priorities the chemical right up their with oxygen, water, and food

Deprivation of the drug makes the brain go into distress just like it does when we lack the real necessities

The brain and body can and do heal themselves with time

It comes in fits and spurts, both the obsessive "crises" and periods of calm

Think process, not event

Let the brain rewire itself

Never underestate what a serious disease process you've put your body through

Time and healing are indeed a major undertaking

Day 5 seemed much like a blur' It was by far the worst I was in an exceedingly bad mood,runny face ,runs and all else I just spent the day in my room. Spent the day avoiding everything and every body which was probably the best thing I could have done to no expose my family to my human wreckage. I feel a bit better so maybe I am finally reaching the apex of these bad feelings.. Leta hope so

Sure. Hole up in your room for a while -- that is very reasonable and okay.

Keep treating the symptoms just like you would treat the symptoms of an extremely bad case of flu

Do not underestimate the extremity of the illness you have put your body through during your addiction

Within a few days or even within a few hours you will get to experience some true deep restorative sleep -- maybe the first real sleep you have had in years

It will come... Simply because it must

And because it finally can

You are already deeply into your recovery and the body is just cleaning itself out

Stay hydrated, cool room, dim lighting

This too shall pass