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If you're in Texas, this coming weekend is tax-free for emergency preps, including generators, batteries, first aid, coolers, tarps & other goods:

[link to comptroller.texas.gov]
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When SHTF all laws are suspended. There's no such thing as "criminals". Morality is not a factor in a survival situation, and do-gooders and bleeding hearts will be first to go as victims.

Its survival of the fittest and smartest.

If you think people will behave themselves and act accordingly with existing laws and rules of society .... you are dead wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71574125


There are two dominant traits in human behavior when people are placed, as a group, in extreme circumstances:

1) Pull together and make it work (watch "Jericho").
2) Go feral, steal and kill (watch "The Walking Dead").

Both are equally likely in any particular instance.

Whites and Orientals tend to pull together.
All other ethnic groups go feral.
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If you're in Texas, this coming weekend is tax-free for emergency preps, including generators, batteries, first aid, coolers, tarps & other goods:

[link to comptroller.texas.gov]
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When SHTF all laws are suspended. There's no such thing as "criminals". Morality is not a factor in a survival situation, and do-gooders and bleeding hearts will be first to go as victims.

Its survival of the fittest and smartest.

If you think people will behave themselves and act accordingly with existing laws and rules of society .... you are dead wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71574125


There are two dominant traits in human behavior when people are placed, as a group, in extreme circumstances:

1) Pull together and make it work (watch "Jericho").
2) Go feral, steal and kill (watch "The Walking Dead").

Both are equally likely in any particular instance.

Whites and Orientals tend to pull together.
All other ethnic groups go feral.
 Quoting: The Comedian :D


Very good point. I saw videos of the quake stricken areas of Japan. Stores still full of stuff and everyone cooperating and helping each other.

Same situation in... "certain" (many? most?) areas of the US and there would be mass looting.

Fortunately, I am far away from those areas.
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Never re-use empty milk cartons for drinking water. You can use for washing but not drinking. Even with added bleach, bacteria from milk is embedded into the plastic. Makes you wonder about all plastic jugs but to be safe use soda and juice bottles only.

As for people who think they are coming to my home to take my supplies - Good Luck. Being even a little prepared usually means being able to defend you and your family. Enough said. No one knows who is prepared and who isn't. One has to be prepared to bug out and knowing when that time is right to do so. If you live in a city, get out immediately. If you live in the suburbs you will have to watch and see when to leave.

I never considered myself a prepper. My family came from a long line of ranchers, farmers and just rural life. It was nothing for them to stock up on supplies once or twice a year so large quantities of goods was always on hand. They were outdoors people who went hunting and fishing. It was normal life to them.

As a city girl, I picked up on always having extra of everything. If there wasn't 4 jars of peanut butter in the pantry then it was time to by more, just as an example. Once a year 100lbs of pinto beans, 50lbs of green chili and 50-100lbs bags of dry goods. That was and should be normal living.

I save glass and plastic jars - my husband teases me that I am a bottle horder - for different foods. I use these for herbs and spices I dry myself in a food dehydrator, label and vacuum seal.

For me personally, I use the food dehydrator to preserve food instead of a canner. Canning destroys more vitamins than dehydrating. Plus, I am just a little chicken when it comes to a canner, one exploded near me when I was very young and I just don't trust them, even though I know they are much safer than they were back when. Outside of jerky, canning is the only way to preserve meat longer term. Freezing only lasts so long. Canned meat lasts at least 5 years or more.
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Great info being posted and I appreciate all! grouphug
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You can also buy canned heat (alcohol fuel) that will burn about 2 hrs from Dollar Tree. If they do not have it in the store, you can buy it on-line and pick it up at the store

[link to www.dollartree.com (secure)]

You have to buy it by the case online, 24/case.

This is one of the best prepper items around, I think,
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Word of warning, I bought two of these cheap as chips in a local supermarket. When I got home I did some investigation and this stuff is known as chafing fuel.

It is only really used to maintain heat on pre-cooked foods and isn't ideal for direct cooking from cold.

from their page;

"The best way to keep food warm at large gatherings. Canned fuel is designed to burn under chaffing dishes for up to 2 hours to maintain heat for buffets, cookouts and banquets. They can even be used as emergency heat or to cook with while camping or in emergency situations. Case includes 24 – 2.8-oz. Fancy Heat® canned fuel."
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It says to cook with while camping or in emergency situations.

They will boil water, which is fine for instant soups and foods and hot drinks and for heating food. Using them for boiling rice or beans would not be appropriate, but if you are using freeze dried they are great.

Cooking with canned heat depends on how close to the flame you place your cooking vessel and also what the vessel is made of. For keeping food warm you would not place the vessel as close as for cooking,

Years ago I drove across the US with my husband and toddler daughter, stopping at rest stops and heating food on a Sterno stove. We were so broke, I packed enough food for us before we left so we would not have to buy restaurant meals, I have used Sterno in emergencies too. Backpackers use alcohol stoves all the time.

It works fine. It just is not a cooktop like your range.
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do y'all covertly shop?
I do, make grocery trips and sneak it in without the neighbors seeing me.
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I use the readyQ at thereadystore.com and have it mailed monthly. You pick what you want and how much a month you want to spend and it's done automatically.
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Like your thread dude.rockon
Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!

Oh,and screw tepco & the V.A.



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i'll never have the time and energy to prepare properly, nor do i care.

The world may not end till the sun Roasts humanity-billions of years from now so that would be wasted money, wouldn it?
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Lol poor delusional useless eater.
Enjoy your future hunger pangs
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listen
If the doom is big enough to last years, none of you preppers will have any benefits other than living a bit longer and even that is not a sure thing

there will be gangs.. very dangerous gangs in such situations and all your stored water and will not be a big help when they come for you.
prepare as much as you want but know that preparing food alone is one of many things you should take into consideration.

Real survivalists got some serious plans for probably half a decade.
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You are right - up to a point. There is a reason I have always thought that those who want a full reset were nuts. 80-90% death rate is nothing to WANT. Knowing it will be bad will be part of the preparing. You can't go into something like that with rose-colored glasses on. You have to be prepared mentally.
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When SHTF all laws are suspended. There's no such thing as "criminals". Morality is not a factor in a survival situation, and do-gooders and bleeding hearts will be first to go as victims.

Its survival of the fittest and smartest.

If you think people will behave themselves and act accordingly with existing laws and rules of society .... you are dead wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71574125


There are two dominant traits in human behavior when people are placed, as a group, in extreme circumstances:

1) Pull together and make it work (watch "Jericho").
2) Go feral, steal and kill (watch "The Walking Dead").

Both are equally likely in any particular instance.

Whites and Orientals tend to pull together.
All other ethnic groups go feral.
 Quoting: The Comedian :D


Great points and shows. People are wired differently.
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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When SHTF all laws are suspended. There's no such thing as "criminals". Morality is not a factor in a survival situation, and do-gooders and bleeding hearts will be first to go as victims.

Its survival of the fittest and smartest.

If you think people will behave themselves and act accordingly with existing laws and rules of society .... you are dead wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71574125


There are two dominant traits in human behavior when people are placed, as a group, in extreme circumstances:

1) Pull together and make it work (watch "Jericho").
2) Go feral, steal and kill (watch "The Walking Dead").

Both are equally likely in any particular instance.

Whites and Orientals tend to pull together.
All other ethnic groups go feral.
 Quoting: The Comedian :D


Very good point. I saw videos of the quake stricken areas of Japan. Stores still full of stuff and everyone cooperating and helping each other.

Same situation in... "certain" (many? most?) areas of the US and there would be mass looting.

Fortunately, I am far away from those areas.
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That's the ticket. In this area people have a lot of prepping gear on hand, it's very common. Only it's called camping gear.

People can and preserve food as a matter of course, it's just the way it is done here. There is canning, dehydrating and smoking equipment out in stores all year, it is not considered 'seasonal'.

There are few roads in here, and I am not sure they will be left open in a real emergency situation.

I don't think mass looting will be a big problem here either.
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I was stocking up for 3 months, then 6 months, then 9 months and finally for a year. Since I have a family of 4, the numbers below are what I worked with for each 3 months

GRAINS
150 lbs of Wheat
25 lbs of Flour
25 lbs of Corn Meal
25 lbs of Oats
50 lbs of Rice
25 lbs of Pasta

300 lbs total of Grains

LEGUMES
30 lbs of Dry Beans
5 lbs of Lima Beans
10 lbs of Soy Beans
5 lbs of Split Peas
5 lbs of Lentils
5 lbs of Dry Soup Mix

60 lbs Total of Legumes

FATS & OILS
4 lbs Shortening
2 gals Vegetable Oil
2 qts Mayonnaise
1 qrt Salad Dressing
4 lbs of Peanut Butter

25 lbs Total of Fats & Oils

MILK & DAIRY
60 lbs of Dry Milk
12 cans of Evaporated Milk
13 lbs of Other Dairy

75 lbs Total of Milk & Dairy

SUGARS
3 lbs of Honey
40 lbs of Sugar
3 lbs of Brown Sugar
1 lb of Molasses
3 lbs of Corn Syrup
3 lbs of Jams & Jelly
6 lbs of Powdered Fruit Drink
1 lb of Flavored Gelatin (Jello)

60lbs Total of Sugars

COOKING ESSENTIALS
1 lb of Baking Powder (I don't store for LTS as it doesn't have a long shelf life, 6 months to 18 months only.)

1 lb of Baking Soda (this needs more also for cleaning, brushing teeth, as a deodorant, lots of uses)
0.5 lbs of Yeast
5 lbs of Salt (You need iodized and plain or canning salt for canning and preserving meats - so plan on more - 20lbs)

0.5 lbs of Vinegar (I think this needs increased to 1-2 gallons per person for canning and cleaning. You also need several gallons of apple cider vinegar - like Braggs which is unprocessed and has what they call the mother. You will use this to make elixirs for flu and colds)

Black pepper (whole lasts indefinitely, just remember a pepper grinder)
Onion/Garlic Powder
Chili Powder
Vanilla extract
Cream of Tartar
Corn Starch

To make 1 tablespoon of baking powder:
2 teaspoon of cream of tarter (shelf life = indefinite)
1 teaspoon of baking soda (shelf life = indefinite)

Use within two weeks. Only make up what you need at a time. If you are going to store for 2 weeks, add one teaspoon of cornstarch to keep it from clumping.


FRUITS
40 lbs of Apples (canned or dried)
40 lbs of Applesauce
30 lbs of Banana Chips
35 lbs of Fruit Mixture
40 lbs of Fruit Juice

185 lbs Total of Fruits

VEGETABLES
30 lbs of Corn
30 lbs of Peas
30 lbs of Green Beans
30 lbs of Carrots
40 lbs of Potatoes
20 lbs of Tomatoes

185 lbs Total of Vegetables

Though the LDS say nothing about canned meats, I have added them to my preps. Add Alaska salmon - it has one of the longest shelf life of meat next to tuna and Spam. Tuna, well it might be contaminated. Spam, learn to like it along with Vienna Sausage. Also add canned chicken and beef if you can find it. Canned ham also lasts a long time, I just can't find it.

WATER
30 gals of Water (one month supply, more if you have room. This is only for drinking and cooking)
1 gal of bleach (shelf life is only 6 months to one year)
1-pound bag of calcium hypochlorite would work better than liquid bleach for long term storage.
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Remember there won't be any running to the store when you need comfort food. We all snack (I call it grazing for my family) which adds up more than we think it does. Some chips here, some candy there, some ice cream, or whatever it is that makes you feel better when you are stressed or sad. Those are the things you have to stock up on also. If they are missing, it will just add to the stress of the whole situation!
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You'll be a primary target for raiding by the hungry masses.

They'll storm your place en mass when you guys are sleeping and you wont be able to fend them all off. Before you know it all your food and supplies will be gone and you and your family may or may not have survived the raid.

Never underestimate what hungry people will do.
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Still trying to convince yourself that prepping is a waste of time?

Lulz!
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I never said that. You must have a serious reading comprehension problem.

What I said was when SHTF he and his family will be primary targets. Not only by hungry masses, but government bodies as well.

Unless you have a completely remote hideaway with no easy access that others can find you, you will not be much better off than all the others. Look at any war zone currently existing around the world. There arent any people in them that are just hanging out with their stocked up supplies. When SHTF everything gets raided. All your supplies will be gone rather quickly.

When SHTF I'm not running to the grocery stores like the other lemmings ... I'm going straight for people that have stocked up supplies. And they are very easy to spot and locate. Their supplies will become my supplies, whether they like it or not.
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you think you will target those who prepped-
LOL
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you think you will target those who prepped-
LOL
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lol

Must be under 40 and thinks it is good to just take from others what they worked for or prepared for while they sit on their lazy butts doing nothing. Doesn't have a clue how REAL preppers, survivalist or just down-home people really think.
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Here is one thing that I don't hear people talking about, and that is stuff to keep stuff together:

Bungies
Paracord and twine (Hay bale twine is great stuff)
Nylon ties
Duck tape
Dog chain and fasteners
Assorted clamps (C clamps and spring clamps)
Strong magnets [link to www.kjmagnetics.com (secure)]

I have kept clear plastic sheet over a 12x20 frame to make a greenhouse, using heavy duty clamps and magnets to keep it in place. This construction will survive heavy winds (40mph gusts) if beefed up with anchored cord over the top in a few places to keep it from billowing in strong wind.
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Walmart sells Augason Farms cans and Emergency Essentials that last 10 years, freeze dried foods, with serving size printed on the label. they deliver.

I added the lid opener.

my old bags of rice were dusted with DE and the bugs didn't get to em, but anything in plastic is vulnerable.

love this thread.
thank you whiteangel.
 Quoting: nikki nikita


My first preps I put in Mylar and everything after I put in vacuum bags. Long term items I will rotate every 10 years and shorter term every 5 years. Seems to be working so far. The vacuum bagged items should go in 5 gal buckets to protect against rodents if this is a problem in one's area.

I've heard of the use of DE just never used it myself. Good suggestions.
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DE is awesome
diatomaceous earth. it's a powder from siliceous sedimentary rock, ground up it makes razor sharp edges that are deadly to bugs and eggs. but not harmful to human consumption. all natural.

used in the garden to keep slugs and bugs off plants. used to feed my quail for harder shell eggs and she bathes in it. pets love to roll in it. I sprinkle it around my rice and food supply, no bugs. it's awesome.

also works as a parasite cleanse. use it in the pool to keep the water free of parasites.
it's not expensive. 50 pound bag cost $30 but $40 to ship. comes in smaller containers for more.
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Diatomaceous earth is great for getting rid of any bugs, including any you might have infesting your body. Dusting with DE will kill all the lice that may find you in a SHTF scenario.

To the posters that think we (preppers) will be easy targets, bring it! We aren't just storing food and water. We also have the ability to defend our preps. Most of us have dogs, and other animals to sound the alarm, and plenty of ways to defend our families and property. If it comes down to it, I intend to use a plan developed by Vlad the Impaler. It'll be like a big sign out by the road "Go rob a different house".
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I purchased some of this old style lanterns from Dolarama, 3$ ; can be used with kerosene or other liquid fuels.
[link to image.made-in-china.com]
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A Question is coming:

I have a 300 gallon Hot Tub.
Newer.
(It could be a problem when its below freezing for extended periods and there is no power. I understand that it isn't a guaranteed source seasonally.)

I use sodium-dichloro-s-triazinetrione dehydrate plus a shock in the tub.

I try to maintain lower levels of chems for my wife's skin sensitivity.

My current plan is this 300 gallons is for washing and flushing water in an emergency.

I keep 3 full military grade 5 gallon water jugs.
Plus about 15 gallons of frozen water milk jugs that are very well rinsed. They'll extend cold in freezers somewhat then provide drinking water.

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Is sodium-dichloro-s-triazinetrione reasonable to use for drinking water purification and at what levels if so?
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You can also buy canned heat (alcohol fuel) that will burn about 2 hrs from Dollar Tree. If they do not have it in the store, you can buy it on-line and pick it up at the store

[link to www.dollartree.com (secure)]

You have to buy it by the case online, 24/case.

This is one of the best prepper items around, I think,
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Word of warning, I bought two of these cheap as chips in a local supermarket. When I got home I did some investigation and this stuff is known as chafing fuel.

It is only really used to maintain heat on pre-cooked foods and isn't ideal for direct cooking from cold.

from their page;

"The best way to keep food warm at large gatherings. Canned fuel is designed to burn under chaffing dishes for up to 2 hours to maintain heat for buffets, cookouts and banquets. They can even be used as emergency heat or to cook with while camping or in emergency situations. Case includes 24 – 2.8-oz. Fancy Heat® canned fuel."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72029118


It says to cook with while camping or in emergency situations.

They will boil water, which is fine for instant soups and foods and hot drinks and for heating food. Using them for boiling rice or beans would not be appropriate, but if you are using freeze dried they are great.

Cooking with canned heat depends on how close to the flame you place your cooking vessel and also what the vessel is made of. For keeping food warm you would not place the vessel as close as for cooking,

Years ago I drove across the US with my husband and toddler daughter, stopping at rest stops and heating food on a Sterno stove. We were so broke, I packed enough food for us before we left so we would not have to buy restaurant meals, I have used Sterno in emergencies too. Backpackers use alcohol stoves all the time.

It works fine. It just is not a cooktop like your range.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Load up on hand sanitizer. Not only to keep clean, but also as a fuel. It is mostly alcohol and burns really well. I have not tried cooking with it, but I have used it to start camp fires. It lights easy and burns quite well. It makes camp fires a lot easier. I think you would need a can to put it in if you wanted to cook with it. That makes hand sanitizer a very important prep, for keeping clean, treating wounds, starting fires, and as a fuel. It is not expensive if you buy it in the gallon jugs. A few gallons for emergencies is a great idea.
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
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I purchased some of this old style lanterns from Dolarama, 3$ ; can be used with kerosene or other liquid fuels.
[link to image.made-in-china.com]
 Quoting: prometheus45


You can get the real thing in a thrift shop for about $20 to $25. The old ones work much better and are a lot more durable. If you find one with the original globe, the price goes up because those are always broken. The replacements are not as ornate and weigh about a quarter of the originals. The type of globe is not that important, so unless you are decorating with them, go with the replacement globe. You will find that the old "made in America" lamps are certainly worth the extra money. Most of the Chinese lamps don't work at all, and the rest don't work well. You get what you pay for.
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Here is one thing that I don't hear people talking about, and that is stuff to keep stuff together:

Bungies
Paracord and twine (Hay bale twine is great stuff)
Nylon ties
Duck tape
Dog chain and fasteners
Assorted clamps (C clamps and spring clamps)
Strong magnets [link to www.kjmagnetics.com (secure)]

I have kept clear plastic sheet over a 12x20 frame to make a greenhouse, using heavy duty clamps and magnets to keep it in place. This construction will survive heavy winds (40mph gusts) if beefed up with anchored cord over the top in a few places to keep it from billowing in strong wind.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Parachute cord is fabulous stuff.

Consider buying it in 1,000 foot spools.
__ bay has it typically for $50 with free standard shipping.
5 cents a foot.

other options length, size and color available.
(550 Paracord Type III 7 Strand Mil-Spec Parachute Cord-250', 300', 1000' Spools)
The 550, aka Type III mil spec, is stronger and would recommend. No Type II - 440 or other non-sheathed cords/rope.

The problem with ordering this stuff is you'll find yourself using it for all sorts of things and screw up your kit.
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Here is one thing that I don't hear people talking about, and that is stuff to keep stuff together:

Bungies
Paracord and twine (Hay bale twine is great stuff)
Nylon ties
Duck tape
Dog chain and fasteners
Assorted clamps (C clamps and spring clamps)
Strong magnets [link to www.kjmagnetics.com (secure)]

I have kept clear plastic sheet over a 12x20 frame to make a greenhouse, using heavy duty clamps and magnets to keep it in place. This construction will survive heavy winds (40mph gusts) if beefed up with anchored cord over the top in a few places to keep it from billowing in strong wind.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Cordage is important. Thank you for listing it!

When we were painting our house, we got that cheap plastic in big rolls from Home Depot. It was cheap, it is thick enough for a greenhouse or even to cover an asphalt roof to catch rain or snow. You'd have to roll it back up after the storm so would only really work for rain. UV rays would destroy it quickly. It would make the water off the roof much safer to drink without heavy duty filtration.
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You can also buy canned heat (alcohol fuel) that will burn about 2 hrs from Dollar Tree. If they do not have it in the store, you can buy it on-line and pick it up at the store

[link to www.dollartree.com (secure)]

You have to buy it by the case online, 24/case.

This is one of the best prepper items around, I think,
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Word of warning, I bought two of these cheap as chips in a local supermarket. When I got home I did some investigation and this stuff is known as chafing fuel.

It is only really used to maintain heat on pre-cooked foods and isn't ideal for direct cooking from cold.

from their page;

"The best way to keep food warm at large gatherings. Canned fuel is designed to burn under chaffing dishes for up to 2 hours to maintain heat for buffets, cookouts and banquets. They can even be used as emergency heat or to cook with while camping or in emergency situations. Case includes 24 – 2.8-oz. Fancy Heat® canned fuel."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72029118


It says to cook with while camping or in emergency situations.
.....I have used Sterno in emergencies too. Backpackers use alcohol stoves all the time.

It works fine. It just is not a cooktop like your range.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Load up on hand sanitizer. Not only to keep clean, but also as a fuel. It is mostly alcohol and burns really well. I have not tried cooking with it, but I have used it to start camp fires. It lights easy and burns quite well. It makes camp fires a lot easier. I think you would need a can to put it in if you wanted to cook with it. That makes hand sanitizer a very important prep, for keeping clean, treating wounds, starting fires, and as a fuel. It is not expensive if you buy it in the gallon jugs. A few gallons for emergencies is a great idea.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


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Sa s fire started the 99% DEET insect repellant can't be beat either.
Don't buy it for this reason but do have that thought in your bag of tricks.

But your DEET in a push squirt container.

Play with it once to get an understanding of what a neat mini torch this stuff is.

Try and not move up to WD40 spray torching.
Wouldn't want anyone to get hurt.
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You can also buy canned heat (alcohol fuel) that will burn about 2 hrs from Dollar Tree. If they do not have it in the store, you can buy it on-line and pick it up at the store

[link to www.dollartree.com (secure)]

You have to buy it by the case online, 24/case.

This is one of the best prepper items around, I think,
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Word of warning, I bought two of these cheap as chips in a local supermarket. When I got home I did some investigation and this stuff is known as chafing fuel.

It is only really used to maintain heat on pre-cooked foods and isn't ideal for direct cooking from cold.

from their page;

"The best way to keep food warm at large gatherings. Canned fuel is designed to burn under chaffing dishes for up to 2 hours to maintain heat for buffets, cookouts and banquets. They can even be used as emergency heat or to cook with while camping or in emergency situations. Case includes 24 – 2.8-oz. Fancy Heat® canned fuel."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72029118


It says to cook with while camping or in emergency situations.

They will boil water, which is fine for instant soups and foods and hot drinks and for heating food. Using them for boiling rice or beans would not be appropriate, but if you are using freeze dried they are great.

Cooking with canned heat depends on how close to the flame you place your cooking vessel and also what the vessel is made of. For keeping food warm you would not place the vessel as close as for cooking,

Years ago I drove across the US with my husband and toddler daughter, stopping at rest stops and heating food on a Sterno stove. We were so broke, I packed enough food for us before we left so we would not have to buy restaurant meals, I have used Sterno in emergencies too. Backpackers use alcohol stoves all the time.

It works fine. It just is not a cooktop like your range.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Load up on hand sanitizer. Not only to keep clean, but also as a fuel. It is mostly alcohol and burns really well. I have not tried cooking with it, but I have used it to start camp fires. It lights easy and burns quite well. It makes camp fires a lot easier. I think you would need a can to put it in if you wanted to cook with it. That makes hand sanitizer a very important prep, for keeping clean, treating wounds, starting fires, and as a fuel. It is not expensive if you buy it in the gallon jugs. A few gallons for emergencies is a great idea.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


applause2
Great idea. I keep it in the car, would never have thought of burning it,
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More water info:

Water is so hard to store and needs so much room, but all the food you store means nothing if you can't have water. Here is my plan, not great but it is what I can do. I have been saving 2-liter soda bottles for a year from our family and friends and have over 100 that are not being used at this point.

Clean them like mentioned above, except you don't need to let them dry out. Fill them with water and put in a drop of bleach, seal and label with the date you filled. Because there is a worry about the plastics, even so called safe ones leaching harmful chemicals into the water, many only store their water for 6 months. I have done enough research that I will store ours for a year or two.

If you do not have a dropper for putting ONE drop of water, you can do what I do. I put a little bleach in a 1/4 cup and dip a thin wooden dowel or skewer in and let it drop one drop into the bottle.

Stored water goes flat and doesn't taste good. When you first open a container of water that has been stored for a year or so, pour it back and forth between two containers to add air back into it. This improves the taste big time!

3.79 liters = 1 gallon, so you have a bit more than a gallon with two 2-liter bottles of water. 50 gallons of water means 100 bottles of 2-liter size, tons of room needed. You can lay they on their sides and stack up.

Note: the bleach needs to be regular house hold bleach with no scents
added and not the splash-less kind either. Just plain old fashion
bleach.

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The next thing I have planned for water is rain catching from my roof. My roof is asphalt and dangerous to collect water off from all the chemicals it will leach so I bought several rolls of plastic drop cloth from Home Depot. It is cheap and you will always need some for something, so make sure you have several extra rolls. I plan to cover my roof before a storm comes in, and make sure the gutters are still cleaned out.

Barrels will be on both ends of the house to collect the water. Take off the bottom end of the down spout and adjust so it goes straight into the barrels. You will want to let the first bunch of rain flow out, just to make sure you are getting clean water.

The web is full of ideas on how to do this, here is one: www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Rainwater...ion-System

If you have acid rain, you can make a two or three part filtration system, letting each barrel trickle down thru sand. Again there are many web sites about this and I will let you do a little research there.

It would be smart if you live in an area that doesn't have natural sand in your soil, to get several bags of "play-sand" so that you can filter your water when shtf.

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Get a water bob for your bathtub.
www.amazon.com/Aqua-Pod-Kit-Emerg...ge+bladder

www.waterbob.com/Welcome.do;jsess...FA67F4C3EC
FYI, the above site is out of stock as were two other sites I went to.

I have seen them at only $17 so they are cheaper than the one above but ti gives you an idea what I am talking about. 65+ (most will hold 100 gallons or more) gallons of clean drinking water is priceless!!!
 Quoting: whiteangel


I have 3 100gal camuflaged tanks in the backyard for rain water collection and a gravity filter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70333094


How long will 100 gals last?

I wasn't thinking of a water collection system, but barrels willed with water.

A water collection system is best, of course, but I'm not sure we would be able to do that here.
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A Question is coming:

I have a 300 gallon Hot Tub.
Newer.
(It could be a problem when its below freezing for extended periods and there is no power. I understand that it isn't a guaranteed source seasonally.)

I use sodium-dichloro-s-triazinetrione dehydrate plus a shock in the tub.

I try to maintain lower levels of chems for my wife's skin sensitivity.

My current plan is this 300 gallons is for washing and flushing water in an emergency.

I keep 3 full military grade 5 gallon water jugs.
Plus about 15 gallons of frozen water milk jugs that are very well rinsed. They'll extend cold in freezers somewhat then provide drinking water.

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Is sodium-dichloro-s-triazinetrione reasonable to use for drinking water purification and at what levels if so?
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It is safe. I couldn't post it but google this
sodium-dichloro-s-triazinetrione is it safe to purify water
And pull up the article:
Off-Grid Geeks: Water, Water Everywhere, and not a drop to ...
That will give you some info to go on.
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Never re-use empty milk cartons for drinking water. You can use for washing but not drinking. Even with added bleach, bacteria from milk is embedded into the plastic. Makes you wonder about all plastic jugs but to be safe use soda and juice bottles only.

As for people who think they are coming to my home to take my supplies - Good Luck. Being even a little prepared usually means being able to defend you and your family. Enough said. No one knows who is prepared and who isn't. One has to be prepared to bug out and knowing when that time is right to do so. If you live in a city, get out immediately. If you live in the suburbs you will have to watch and see when to leave.

I never considered myself a prepper. My family came from a long line of ranchers, farmers and just rural life. It was nothing for them to stock up on supplies once or twice a year so large quantities of goods was always on hand. They were outdoors people who went hunting and fishing. It was normal life to them.

As a city girl, I picked up on always having extra of everything. If there wasn't 4 jars of peanut butter in the pantry then it was time to by more, just as an example. Once a year 100lbs of pinto beans, 50lbs of green chili and 50-100lbs bags of dry goods. That was and should be normal living.

I save glass and plastic jars - my husband teases me that I am a bottle horder - for different foods. I use these for herbs and spices I dry myself in a food dehydrator, label and vacuum seal.

For me personally, I use the food dehydrator to preserve food instead of a canner. Canning destroys more vitamins than dehydrating. Plus, I am just a little chicken when it comes to a canner, one exploded near me when I was very young and I just don't trust them, even though I know they are much safer than they were back when. Outside of jerky, canning is the only way to preserve meat longer term. Freezing only lasts so long. Canned meat lasts at least 5 years or more.
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


Freeze drying meats is the answer. I though it would be like jerky, and would be a good snack, but that isn't true. Freeze dried meat needs to be rehydrated to eat. It is so dry, it will suck all the spit right out of your mouth. A freeze dried steak will rehydrate and be a good edible steak 20 years from now. Of course all freeze dried food has to be packed in air tight containers (mylar bags are best), and oxygen removers (desiccant bags) should be used. Freeze dried fruits are great snack food right out of the bag. They are so good that I have no freeze dried fruits in my preps. The whole family digs into the fruits. I have commercial freeze dried fruits, but all fruits I freeze dried are gone.
You can freeze dry almost any food. I dried a bunch of chili and tried some a while back. The beans take a while to rehydrate, but the chili was great.

Freeze drying preserves most of the nutrients in the food and outlast dehydrated foods. The Freeze drier is a bit pricey, and can be a pain to use, but the result is incredible. I got mine from Harvest Right, and I believe they are the least expensive to buy. They were first to make a home freeze drier.
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Copper vessels for water storage. Kills germs.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

This is not talked about very much. but copper may be an excellent water storage solution.
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Best quality water container I can recommend:

SKILCRAFT Water Bottle - 5 gal - OD Green - Plastic
[link to buylci.com]

They say Property of the US Government on the side.

$25.99 each.

Buy two and free shipping.

These are very solid.
The small pour cap is something you'll have to get used to.
Large one is fine but the small 1" one is on a plastic retainer that wants to return.
Makes for wasted water until you get finger position correct. This isn't easy because of the weight of a full jug.
Otherwise its hands down the best solid container for a preppy.

HEAVY GI grade container.

The ones I ordered had virtually no order, NO PLASTIC ODOR, inside when I opened them. These are BPA free.
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99.9% of people that think they are set for survival in an event that requires survival WILL NOT survive.

Stocking up on food is pointless because it will be taken from you and your home by people that are stronger. Expecting to stay in your existing home is foolish.

What you need for survival is a weapon, knowledge, and street smarts.

Weapon to protect yourself and take from those who cannot.

Knowledge to eat and make shelter from whatever is available.

Street smarts to know who to trust and what to do in the context of really bad people.

Everything else is pointless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59628482


Some people are smart and have food and weapons. They will take anything valuable from your carcass if you try to take what is theirs.

I am still amazed when these tough guys break into peaceful prepper threads with this line about they are going to take all your stuff.

Don't they realize how heavily armed this country is, and how foolish they are to think they can just go around taking stuff? These are the people who will get wiped out immediately by armed, civic minded individuals.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Besides that, I DARE anyone to even FIND my stuff!

False walls and such....
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Copper vessels for water storage. Kills germs.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

This is not talked about very much. but copper may be an excellent water storage solution.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Copper is the best natural antimicrobial, not anti-viral, material out there.





GLP