God VS Satan

First of all, it doesn't matter what we think, it matters what is true.

How do we know what is true? God gave us the inspired word of the bible.

Others have mentioned Job. Job happens to be my favorite book of the bible. It is also said to be the first book of the bible that was written.

In Job God asks satan, so satan what have you been up to? Satan answers, well just wandering here and there on the earth. God asks satan, have you considered my servant Job?

God felt that Job was beyond reproach but more importantly it seems to me that God and satan are working together. God gives parameters to satan and satan acts according to those parameters.

It does not seem as though God and satan are on opposites sides in this book, it seems more like the good cop bad cop scenario.

Lastly, satan has control of this earth right now. God gave it to him. Anything you find wrong in this world at this time can be directly referred to satan. That's why satan said he would give Jesus the whole world if He would just bow down and worship him.

Revelation tells us how bad it's going to get and unfortunately it is going to get really bad. Those who stand with Jesus are making it straight through to heaven which is our only saving grace.

We are not getting what we deserve but we are getting the mercy of God.

It says satan was walking here and there on the earth implying that he was MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS. The bible talks about all the bad thoughts that HAUNT satan (because of his wisdom and beauty and the threats god made against him) but it doesn't say anywhere that satans actions are evil.

Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Satan's sin was pride and rebellion against God. Satan wanted to put himself in the place of God as he said, "I will be like the most High".

Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Satan's sin was pride and rebellion against God. Satan wanted to put himself in the place of God as he said, "I will be like the most High".

This passage is rather misinterpreted, or rather un-interpreted.

To "Be like the Most High" is not necessarily evil. To be "like God" is a GOOD thing, actually. So why is Lucifer wrong to be "like God"? Because he is "contesting" with Jacob, when there should be no "striving".

If you read closer you see Lucifer trying to STEAL/USURP not God's place...but someone who is "like God" or "Godly".

Now, read the first sentence of Isaiah 14:

[1] For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

Our universe is built on duality. Light and Darkness, there must be an opposite for freewill and choice to take place...

Without freewill and choice, there is no intelligent life outside god, just robots.

If you figure out how to create a better universe without using this simple concept please let god know, he is always listening.

I didn't say he was evil. I was pointing out the reason for his fall. He wanted to be above God. He thinks the created can be above the creator. This is obviously arrogant and false beyond reason. Satan is deluded. He is egotistical beyond reason. He is trying to get as many souls on his side as possible so that he won't be thrown into the fiery pits.

From what I have learned, satan is actually the god of everything except eden, (stars shoot out of his eyes) and the reason he doesn't want to be acknowledged is because he is sick of being assassinated by bible freaks. He also claims that he is actually eve, (thats why they say satan is both sexes) has found adam (as he usually does) and he claims that all the genetics of the universe were trapped in the tree knowledge. He also seems to believe that he doesn't go to hell, he actually lives quite a comfortable life on earth, apart from feeling everyone else's pain and the daily ups and downs.

Where do you find this information and please provide a link.

But how can God get this point across to people who are born into the world with no knowledge or understanding? He could have preprogrammed us to behave only according to harmless predetermined instincts. But then we would be mere automatons, having no choices, no individuality, no character.

Such existence is not what God intends for us. He has created us to become members of His own family—His sons and daughters (2 Corinthians:6:18)—able to bear great responsibilities within His family.

At the beginning of human existence God stated His purpose for us: "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.' So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" (Genesis:1:26-27

).

God created mankind to be like Him, to rule—have dominion—over His creation. To learn to properly exercise such a level of responsibility, man must first learn how to discern right from wrong, good from bad, and the wise from the foolish. Learning real wisdom involves learning how to make wise choices. From the beginning God pointed out the right way, but He allowed human beings to be exposed to and make foolish choices.

[link to www.ucg.org]


hope this helps

Ok Nick one assumes you are a heavy pot smoker, correct ?

Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Satan's sin was pride and rebellion against God. Satan wanted to put himself in the place of God as he said, "I will be like the most High".

Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Satan's sin was pride and rebellion against God. Satan wanted to put himself in the place of God as he said, "I will be like the most High".