Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56137370 United States 07/11/2014 06:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! Well said OP. Jeremiah 31: 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60046684 Israel 07/11/2014 06:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! jesus was a jewish circumsized rabbi that had thouansds of jewish students that lived in israel during roman times only at 300 AD christianity started to get popular in europe and got away from the jewish core and considerd themselves diffrent untill 300AD christian were middle eastern jews that escaped to europe... Jerusalem is the only kingdom of god and god promised according to all religion israel for his people any way i dont care if you are a christian or a muslim as long as you belive in the only god its what important |
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User ID: 53699762 Canada 07/11/2014 06:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! Israel was destroyed in 70 AD and will not be reestablished until the return. Christians, the Body of Christ, are now God's holy nation, the true Israel under the Gospel, since Jesus salvation! Christians are the inheritors of Abraham's promises through faith in Christ The old Israel and the Old Covenant to the Jews ceased and vanished. That covenant ended when Jesus died on the cross. Promises and prophesies to BC Israel now belong totally to those under the New Covenant. Those closed for Israel of the Jews on the first Easter Sunday. Quoting: The Truth 3261496 The Christian message is about only one covenant, the one Jesus brought with His blood on the cross. If Jesus' Covenant is the one and only, then any teaching contrary to that is heretical. Christians do not accept two covenants, one of faith and the other of race. It is heresy to teach that a Jew, by virtue of his race, is still a chosen one of God through the Old Covenant. The same heresy claims that the current collection of Jews who inhabit the political Israeli state is still a chosen people under the Old Covenant, receiving the promises and prophesies of that covenant just because they are born Jews and live in a nation calling itself Israel. Paul, himself a Jew, fully knew the Jewish misunderstanding about salvation through race rather than through faith. Read Galatians 3:26-29) Christians are Abraham's offspring through His "seed" Jesus Christ, We are the heirs according to promise. Spiritual Israel has replaced the earlier worldly Israel since the cross and Jesus resurrection. When Jesus died on the cross, the old Covenant died with him (Matthew 27:50,51). When he arose, the new covenant arose with him. Clearly, there is only one covenant, the New Covenant of Jesus Christ. Since the Old Covenant is gone, vanished away, there are no covenantal promises or prophesies remaining in it for the Jews and a Jewish Israel. These now belong to the new Israel of God by faith. So many have been deceived into supporting the modern day state of Israel. Turn to the word of God for the truth and the truth will set you free. Standing with the state of Israel is to stand with the oppressor, not the oppressed, as scripture commands us. Please do not take my word as being the truth, but turn to the scriptures and you will see this for yourself. The church needs to wake up from its sleep and preach the truth to all nations! For now, the time of the gentiles is coming to an end. When it does God says he will give those in Israel grace. They will come back to him, be careful you do not find yourself against God and his will. No i will support Israel. John 19:35-37 King James Version (KJV) 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. I believe God has a plan for those in Israel. If you are against then God help you. Zechariah 12:9-11 King James Version (KJV) 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56137370 United States 07/11/2014 06:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! jesus was a jewish circumsized rabbi that had thouansds of jewish students that lived in israel during roman times Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60046684 only at 300 AD christianity started to get popular in europe and got away from the jewish core and considerd themselves diffrent untill 300AD christian were middle eastern jews that escaped to europe... Jerusalem is the only kingdom of god and god promised according to all religion israel for his people any way i dont care if you are a christian or a muslim as long as you belive in the only god its what important Check your sources |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56137370 United States 07/11/2014 06:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! Israel was destroyed in 70 AD and will not be reestablished until the return. Christians, the Body of Christ, are now God's holy nation, the true Israel under the Gospel, since Jesus salvation! Christians are the inheritors of Abraham's promises through faith in Christ The old Israel and the Old Covenant to the Jews ceased and vanished. That covenant ended when Jesus died on the cross. Promises and prophesies to BC Israel now belong totally to those under the New Covenant. Those closed for Israel of the Jews on the first Easter Sunday. Quoting: The Truth 3261496 The Christian message is about only one covenant, the one Jesus brought with His blood on the cross. If Jesus' Covenant is the one and only, then any teaching contrary to that is heretical. Christians do not accept two covenants, one of faith and the other of race. It is heresy to teach that a Jew, by virtue of his race, is still a chosen one of God through the Old Covenant. The same heresy claims that the current collection of Jews who inhabit the political Israeli state is still a chosen people under the Old Covenant, receiving the promises and prophesies of that covenant just because they are born Jews and live in a nation calling itself Israel. Paul, himself a Jew, fully knew the Jewish misunderstanding about salvation through race rather than through faith. Read Galatians 3:26-29) Christians are Abraham's offspring through His "seed" Jesus Christ, We are the heirs according to promise. Spiritual Israel has replaced the earlier worldly Israel since the cross and Jesus resurrection. When Jesus died on the cross, the old Covenant died with him (Matthew 27:50,51). When he arose, the new covenant arose with him. Clearly, there is only one covenant, the New Covenant of Jesus Christ. Since the Old Covenant is gone, vanished away, there are no covenantal promises or prophesies remaining in it for the Jews and a Jewish Israel. These now belong to the new Israel of God by faith. So many have been deceived into supporting the modern day state of Israel. Turn to the word of God for the truth and the truth will set you free. Standing with the state of Israel is to stand with the oppressor, not the oppressed, as scripture commands us. Please do not take my word as being the truth, but turn to the scriptures and you will see this for yourself. The church needs to wake up from its sleep and preach the truth to all nations! For now, the time of the gentiles is coming to an end. When it does God says he will give those in Israel grace. They will come back to him, be careful you do not find yourself against God and his will. No i will support Israel. John 19:35-37 King James Version (KJV) 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. I believe God has a plan for those in Israel. If you are against then God help you. Zechariah 12:9-11 King James Version (KJV) 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. OP had a lot right. You do too. Our support (or lack thereof) for Israel, however, seems to be irrelevant due to our civilian status. Militaries will want to heed that passage though. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21127173 South Africa 07/11/2014 06:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! Israel was destroyed in 70 AD and will not be reestablished until the return. Quoting: The Truth 3261496 Read your Bible again. Israel was taken away in captivity to Assyria 700BC, never to return. Only a small remnant of Judah returned with Elia 600BC. IN 70BC there were no Israelites in Judah at all. Christians, the Body of Christ, are now God's holy nation, the true Israel under the Gospel, since Jesus salvation! Christians are the inheritors of Abraham's promises through faith in Christ The old Israel and the Old Covenant to the Jews ceased and vanished. That covenant ended when Jesus died on the cross. Promises and prophesies to BC Israel now belong totally to those under the New Covenant. Those closed for Israel of the Jews on the first Easter Sunday. The Christian message is about only one covenant, the one Jesus brought with His blood on the cross. If Jesus' Covenant is the one and only, then any teaching contrary to that is heretical. Christians do not accept two covenants, one of faith and the other of race. It is heresy to teach that a Jew, by virtue of his race, is still a chosen one of God through the Old Covenant. The same heresy claims that the current collection of Jews who inhabit the political Israeli state is still a chosen people under the Old Covenant, receiving the promises and prophesies of that covenant just because they are born Jews and live in a nation calling itself Israel. Paul, himself a Jew, fully knew the Jewish misunderstanding about salvation through race rather than through faith. Read Galatians 3:26-29) Christians are Abraham's offspring through His "seed" Jesus Christ, We are the heirs according to promise. Spiritual Israel has replaced the earlier worldly Israel since the cross and Jesus resurrection. When Jesus died on the cross, the old Covenant died with him (Matthew 27:50,51). When he arose, the new covenant arose with him. Clearly, there is only one covenant, the New Covenant of Jesus Christ. Since the Old Covenant is gone, vanished away, there are no covenantal promises or prophesies remaining in it for the Jews and a Jewish Israel. These now belong to the new Israel of God by faith. So many have been deceived into supporting the modern day state of Israel. Turn to the word of God for the truth and the truth will set you free. Standing with the state of Israel is to stand with the oppressor, not the oppressed, as scripture commands us. Please do not take my word as being the truth, but turn to the scriptures and you will see this for yourself. The church needs to wake up from its sleep and preach the truth to all nations! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11121291 United States 07/11/2014 06:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! Well said OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56137370 Jeremiah 31: 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: tool, thats not directed at you. the old testament is a gentile extermination manual. the most learned experts on it were the ones that demanded Jesus must die. The first Christian was murdered by the ot followers and scholars and this mission has been promoted by them ever since with Christians ever since. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56137370 United States 07/11/2014 06:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! Well said OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56137370 Jeremiah 31: 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: tool, thats not directed at you. the old testament is a gentile extermination manual. the most learned experts on it were the ones that demanded Jesus must die. The first Christian was murdered by the ot followers and scholars and this mission has been promoted by them ever since with Christians ever since. Read Genesis 6, Moses and Joshua were always exterminating the GIANTS. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11121291 United States 07/11/2014 06:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! Well said OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56137370 Jeremiah 31: 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: tool, thats not directed at you. the old testament is a gentile extermination manual. the most learned experts on it were the ones that demanded Jesus must die. The first Christian was murdered by the ot followers and scholars and this mission has been promoted by them ever since with Christians ever since. Read Genesis 6, Moses and Joshua were always exterminating the GIANTS. The new testament doesnt need an old testament to validate itself. The OT is all and only about exterminating competing tribes and justifying it. It had no other purpose. To review: Justifying extermination of all others Promoting extermination of all others There are absolutely no provisions to allow any others any version of equal rights or tolerance. |
anonymous User ID: 59492976 United States 07/11/2014 06:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Christians, You can't have it both ways. Is there one covenant or two? Why you should stop supporting Israel now! You are spot on, Israel is scattered over the earth since Jesus time. Did He not tell the disciples "to go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel..." (hint, not Jews and out of that area). They went north and west as well. Jeremiah and Baruch went to Ireland too. It's in the Bible people. |
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