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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2433 United States 07/09/2006 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ***** A FULL RECOUNT WOULD SHOW LOPEZ OBRADOR WON MEXICO'S PRESIDENCY BY MORE THAN A MILLION VOTES!!! ***** There have two counts of the ballots already. He lost by the same percentage both times. Perhaps he should change his name to ObraGore and keep counting and counting and counting............ Heh heh heh heh..... And we all know how that Florida thing worked out. Heh heh heh heh........ :dubya: |
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(OP) User ID: 105879 United States 07/09/2006 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ***** A FULL RECOUNT WOULD SHOW LOPEZ OBRADOR WON MEXICO'S PRESIDENCY BY MORE THAN A MILLION VOTES!!! ***** P.S. Hi, Twinkletoes Thanks. Regarding... There have two counts of the ballots already. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2433"But Mexico's recount isn't really a recount at all -- instead, it's just adding up the previous vote totals again. Ballots aren't touched. The country's famously corrupt election officials are simply re-tallying the vote tally supplied by polling station workers with each ballot box." [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] BMG 'Link, Copy, Paste, & Disseminate!' |
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(OP) User ID: 105879 United States 07/10/2006 03:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ***** A FULL RECOUNT WOULD SHOW LOPEZ OBRADOR WON MEXICO'S PRESIDENCY BY MORE THAN A MILLION VOTES!!! ***** So, now, will we have more or fewer illegals? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56046I don't know if you're being facetious, 56064, but that's a pretty good question as far as putting things into perspective concerning how the Mexican election affects us here in the States. I'm of the opinion that if Felipe Calderòn (the next, selected, handmaiden to Bush and the multinationals) is allowed to retain power, nothing with change. In fact, things will likely get worse, and people will continue to flee across the border for a better life. Per Laura Carlsen's article, 'MEXICO'S ELECTIONS: A CHOICE FOR CHANGE': "During the period of greatest adherence to "modernization" under the NAFTA, migration to the United States skyrocketed as peasants were displaced by agricultural imports and workers suffered decreases in real wages and rising unemployment." [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] On the other hand, if Lopez Obrador were to be allowed to take his rightful position as the new president, things would probably begin to improve 'south of the border, down Mexico way', as they have in Venezuela with Chavez at the helm (See: 'GO TO VENEZUELA, YOU IDIOT!' by Jeff Cohen, [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] ) and people would be less likely to want to leave their homeland with the promise of a more just and stable society in the air. BMG ADDITIONAL SUGGESTED READING: CORPORATE AGRICULTURE'S DIRTY LITTLE SECRET: IMMIGRATION AND A HISTORY OF GREED 4/11/2006 [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] JESSE JACKSON MAKES SENSE: WAGE WAR ON POVERTY, NOT IMMIGRANTS 3/30/2006 [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] 'Link, Copy, Paste, & Disseminate!' |
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(OP) User ID: 105879 United States 07/10/2006 04:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ***** A FULL RECOUNT WOULD SHOW LOPEZ OBRADOR WON MEXICO'S PRESIDENCY BY MORE THAN A MILLION VOTES!!! ***** ADDENDUM TO ORIGINAL POST FROM WMR: "The Aztec Gods must be smiling at this "perfect storm"..." [link to waynemadsenreport.com] July 9/10, 2006 -- The Associated Press lies again. In Washington, DC we are used to corporate math. If 500,000 protestors turn out for an anti-Iraq war demonstration, the AP rounds the number down to 100,000. If 300,000 protest, the number is shaved to "tens of thousands." Of course, the AP can always cite "official" police "estimates" that are also bogus. The police cleverly arrange pedestrian barricades to give the appearance that less people are in the streets than the actual numbers. The purpose of this "fuzzy math" is to demoralize the political opposition. It is a favorite trick of the right-wing propagandists. If Rev. Martin Luther King were to march on Washington today, his numbers would be described as "tens of thousands," not the 300,000 who actually marched on the nation's capital. Now, again, the AP has "cooked" numbers to suit their political and corporate oligarchy masters. They have reported that a mere 100,000 protestors demonstrated in Mexico City's Zocalo Square yesterday against the electoral fraud in the Mexican presidential election that robbed Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador of the presidency. The AP also continues to refer to Lopez Obrador and his supporters as "leftists," while oil industry lickspittle and fraud, Felipe Calderon, is described as "pro-market" and "conservative," and not as a proto-fascist right-winger on the payroll of the Bush-Carlyle global cartel. The corporate handbill, Time magazine, headlined Calderon's fraudulent victory as a "vote for stability." SEE PHOTO: [link to waynemadsenreport.com] Associated Press and right-wing math: 300,000 = 100,000 and less in Mexico City's Zocalo Square. Calderon, the Bushes, and the oil cartel will not have an easy time of it in Mexico. From Baja California to Oaxaca and from the Mexico City slums to Yucatan, the progressive forces are organizing to prevent Calderon from assuming control of Mexico. A Lopez Obrador administration that has to achieve its rightful victory by battling the storm troopers of the oligarchs will be far less likely to cooperate with an American government that is building concentration camps to detain illegal immigrants and an Israeli-style wall on the southern border with Mexico. The Aztec Gods must be smiling at this "perfect storm" that is brewing in their ancient land. 'Link, Copy, Paste, & Disseminate!' |
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(OP) User ID: 105879 United States 07/10/2006 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ***** A FULL RECOUNT WOULD SHOW LOPEZ OBRADOR WON MEXICO'S PRESIDENCY BY MORE THAN A MILLION VOTES!!! ***** [link to www.counterpunch.org] July10, 2006 Democracy Betrayed Electoral Fraud and Rebellion in Mexico By ROGER BURBACH Over half a million people took to the streets of Mexico City on Saturday to protest the fraudulent election of Felipe Calderon. Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the real winner of the presidential election, told the huge crowd, "the elections were fraudulent from the start," adding the incumbent president, Vincente Fox "has betrayed democracy." The reason Fox and his National Action Party (PAN) pulled out all the stops to steal the election is quite simple-they are desperately afraid of the growing class rebellion by Mexico's poor and oppressed. The campaign slogan of Lopez Obrador was straight forward: "For the good of all, the poor first." In a country where almost half the population lives below the poverty line Lopez Obrador pledged to provide a stipend to the elderly and health care for the poor. Millions of jobs will also be created, particularly by undertaking large construction projects to modernize Mexico's dilapidated transportation system. He also promised to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement with the United States, particularly the clauses that allow the importation of cheap subsidized grains that undermine Mexico's peasant producers. More importantly Lopez Obrador pledged to break up the corrupt economic relationship that exists between the business class and government bureaucrats. Everyone in Mexico knows that bribes and kick backs are common place throughout Mexico as much of the country's wealth is skimmed off at the expense of the workers and the poor. This system existed under the previous governments of the Institutional Revolutionary Party, the PRI. What has made the system particularly insidious under the PAN is that it, more than the PRI, is the party of an entrenched business elite. Before becoming president, Vincente Fox himself built up a huge personal fortune, even serving as the head of Coca Cola in Mexico. Not only is Lopez Obrador threatening to break up the system of inside favors and corruption, he is also proclaiming that the rich will have to pay the income and business taxes that they routinely avoid. This evidence of fraud in the election is overwhelming. Thanks to the Internet the most revealing details of what happened are being produced by the on-line, dissident press. As Luis Hernandez Navarro, a senior editor of the Mexican daily, La Jornada, told me, "the electoral process was rigged before, during and after the election on July 2." (See his editorial [link to www.jornada.unam.mx] ) In addition to Navarro's coverage, the excellent source that explains the electoral fraud with detailed statistics, documents and charts is written by Al Giordano in The Narco-News Bulletin. In his latest article he demonstrates that Lopez Obrador actually won the presidential election by a million votes. (See [link to www.narconews.com] ) The proposed changes to the corrupt political system by Lopez Obrador are reformist, not revolutionary. They are being demanded by an increasingly restive populace that is shaking up much of Mexico. The unrest started in 1994 with the rebellion of the Zapatista National Liberation Army in Chiapas, Mexico. Since then there have been periodic outbursts around the country. In 2002 militant residents of San Salvador Atenco in the state of Mexico blocked the building of an international airport. Earlier this year they used machetes, clubs and Molotov cocktails to disperse police who were trying to stop 60 flower vendors from setting up their stands in the neighboring community of Texcoco. Then just weeks before the presidential election teachers in Oaxaca went on strike and were joined by the entire population as they shut down the city and demanded the resignation of the PRI governor of the state. The sin of Lopez Obrador in the eyes of the ruling classes is not that he fomented any of these revolts, but rather that he responds to popular demands from below. The official candidate of the PAN, Felipe Calderon, has painted Lopez Obrador as a demonic and messianic figure who will stop at nothing to take power into his hands. Lopez Obrador has indeed called for mass demonstrations in the past, but only when the system has violated the democratic process or overtly trampled on the poor. In 1995 when fraud occurred in elections in the state of Tabasco, Lopez Obrador led numerous road caravans and marches over a period of several months, culminating in a rally in Mexico City. In 1996 he helped lead a militant coalition of farmers and fisherman who demanded compensation from state owned oil wells for damages they suffered from a petroleum spill. Last year, a million people turned out in the capital when the Mexican congress tried to knock Lopez Obrador off the presidential ballot because, as mayor of Mexico City, he violated an obscure law by building a road to a hospital. Even some international policy analysts and editorialists in the foreign press see that there are real dangers of a social explosion if there is not a recounting of all the votes as Lopez Obrador is demanding. The national security team of the Bush administration surely must know that fraud was committed in Mexico's election, but this did not stop Bush from calling Felipe Calderon to congratulate him when Mexico's Federal Electoral Institute announced its rigged results on Thursday. The ruling class in Mexico, along with its international cohorts, now find themselves between a rock and a hard place. If the vote recount is allowed, the fraud and corruption of the Mexican system will be exposed for the whole world to see. If it does not permit a fair recount, Mexico could become ungovernable. Mexico has had two major social upheavals in its history. One came with the independence movement in 1810, and the other with the revolution that began in 1910. The current fraudulent election results could spark Mexico's next social rebellion, four years before the exact century mark. Roger Burbach is director of the Center for the Study of the Americas (CENSA) and a Visiting Scholar at the Institute of International Studies, University of California, Berkeley. He is co- author with Jim Tarbell of "Imperial Overstretch: George W. Bush and the Hubris of Empire," He released late last year "The Pinochet Affair: State Terrorism and Global Justice." 'Link, Copy, Paste, & Disseminate!' |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 105879 United States 07/10/2006 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ***** A FULL RECOUNT WOULD SHOW LOPEZ OBRADOR WON MEXICO'S PRESIDENCY BY MORE THAN A MILLION VOTES!!! ***** ME PARECE EXCELENTE QUE SE LAS ROBEN Quoting: CORAL 34092A ESE COMUNISTA MALDITO. IGUAL CHAVEZ TAMBIEN SE LAS ROBO!!! IT SEEMS To ME EXCELLENT THAT THEY ROB THAT DAMN COMMUNIST. EQUAL CHAVEZ ALSO THE ROBBERY How 'just' of you, 'Coral'... By the way, Chavez was elected fair & square... twice. Communists? (Cómo apenas de usted, coral... A propósito, Chavez fue elegido justo y cuadrado... dos veces. Comunistas?) GO TO VENEZUELA, YOU IDIOT! by Jeff Cohen [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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(OP) User ID: 105879 United States 07/10/2006 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ***** A FULL RECOUNT WOULD SHOW LOPEZ OBRADOR WON MEXICO'S PRESIDENCY BY MORE THAN A MILLION VOTES!!! ***** you're a joke BMG. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83586we are laughing AT you, not with you. carry on my pathetic one. THANKS for the endorsement, 83586. Your words mean a LOT to me. BMG P.S. Does anyone have any Kleenex? That was so touching, I'm getting misty-eyed... 'Link, Copy, Paste, & Disseminate!' |
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(OP) User ID: 105879 United States 07/11/2006 04:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ***** A FULL RECOUNT WOULD SHOW LOPEZ OBRADOR WON MEXICO'S PRESIDENCY BY MORE THAN A MILLION VOTES!!! ***** "One tape, filmed in Queretaro state during a recount of votes for the presidential election, showed what seemed to be an election official refusing to recount the ballots in a box which had been declared in favour of Mr Calderon. The other showed an alleged supporter of Mr Calderon's National Action Party (Pan) apparently stuffing six ballots into a box being used for congressional elections, which were held on the same day as the presidential race." news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5167420.stm [link to news.bbc.co.uk] Tuesday, 11 July 2006, 04:28 GMT 05:28 UK Fraud video claim in Mexico poll Defeated Mexican presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador says he has "irrefutable" video proof of voting fraud by his election rivals. "I am certain the people are not going to permit this abuse," Mr Lopez Obrador said, repeating a demand for a recount. Official results show his rival Felipe Calderon won by 0.57 percentage points. Mr Lopez Obrador has filed a legal challenge and says he will wait to see the court's ruling before deciding if he will accept the result. Amateur video Conservative candidate Felipe Calderon secured 35.88% of the 2 July vote, against 35.31% for Mr Lopez Obrador. The latter's 900-page claim alleges some polling areas had more votes than registered voters and that his opponent overspent on his campaign. ELECTION DISPUTE Press at odds over crisis Among his other complaints, Mr Lopez Obrador says a computer software programme skewed the initial count of votes. He has asked the electoral tribunal to order a full manual recount of all the ballots. The shaky amateur video footage aired at Mr Lopez Obrador's campaign headquarters showed two incidents which he claimed were examples of "old-style fraud". He said that that they had been sent in by some of his supporters. One tape, filmed in Queretaro state during a recount of votes for the presidential election, showed what seemed to be an election official refusing to recount the ballots in a box which had been declared in favour of Mr Calderon. The other showed an alleged supporter of Mr Calderon's National Action Party (Pan) apparently stuffing six ballots into a box being used for congressional elections, which were held on the same day as the presidential race. Border clash The EU said last week its monitors had found no indication of irregularities. Mr Lopez Obrador's supporters say they intend to visit foreign embassies in Mexico City to demand that their governments not congratulate Mr Calderon. A number of international leaders, including US President George W Bush have already congratulated Mr Calderon on his success. On Monday, White House spokesman Tony Snow defended Mr Bush's decision to call Mr Calderon on Thursday. Although he did say that if a Mexican court ruling changed who won the election, Mr Bush would respect that. Mr Calderon's relationship with the US got off to a rocky start on Friday when he criticised US plans to beef up security on the US-Mexico border, saying that it was better to invest in Mexico than to build a wall along the border to stop illegal immigrants. Mr Snow rejected that criticism on Monday, saying that Mr Calderon did not have any authority over the activities of the US government. 'Link, Copy, Paste, & Disseminate!' |