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So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?

 
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So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
So, with all the DOOM posts, assume SHTF and you need to bug out because the zombies have overrun the town. The streets are blocked.

You have a fantastic SHTF strategy, but now it is down to you and your bug-out-bag.

Are you capable of lugging that sucker with all your hi-tek kit and ammo and weapons and food and water and....you get the idea.

Can you move fast, have you trained with the pack weight you will carry? Or will you be on your knees gasping for breath before you make it to the end of the block?
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
Yes but which bag?

INCH bag?

72hr bag?

tactical defense bag?

bushcraft bag?
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
the funny thing is, is that there is always discussion of bugging out - but there are a few key points that many who prep have not considered.


1. yeah, how heavy is that bag? Try to carry guns gear, and vehicles, any other related item without a vehicle you're fucked. And in a scenario where you bug out - where will you be refuelling?

2. Most common response as to where they'll be going is into the woods. This is the same response as the majority of preppers you will ask. What they haven't considered is how exposed they will be to everyone else who also decided to bug out. They have also not considered roving gangs much like the dawn of the dead scenario of the motorcycle gang at the mall.

3. What happens when supplies run out? Yeah, you'll be targeting other bug-outters for their supplies, because they're not going to be sharing with your dumb ass.



There are many more dimensions to consider in this scenario. One of the only reasons to bug out is to get away from the population centers in an infectious disease scenario. All other conditions, you really need to stay put and protect the home base.
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
You make a great point OP...I've considered this because my BOB is too heavy.

1- I made a BOB within a BOB, so if the worst comes, I still have a knife, fire starter, metal pot, cordage, and a few other light items.

2- I got a plastic sled (kids snow sliding sled) to drag my BOB.
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Oh lordy! Silly me, when I read BOB, I didn't automatically think Bug Out Bag, I thought Battery Operated Boyfriend. tounge

I can carry some of what I think I'll need. Will it be enough or everything? That's the question going through my mind...
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
So, with all the DOOM posts, assume SHTF and you need to bug out because the zombies have overrun the town. The streets are blocked.

You have a fantastic SHTF strategy, but now it is down to you and your bug-out-bag.

Are you capable of lugging that sucker with all your hi-tek kit and ammo and weapons and food and water and....you get the idea.

Can you move fast, have you trained with the pack weight you will carry? Or will you be on your knees gasping for breath before you make it to the end of the block?
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I'll probably make it out my door...
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
Might be surprised what kind of weight you can carry; IF you're using a quality external-framed backpack. Barney's of Anchorage is the bluechip standard, but a good Kelty or Camptrails setup will also serve.

I carried 75/80lbs from 8k - 12k altitude in my mid-20s, but that was then, and that was trailwalking. Cinch the shit outa the belt and then the straps and use a walking stick and your capacity is greatly extended. Have carried 50=60lb in a med internal framed pack and was not impressed; they lay too close to your body and get too hot. Good for tight maneuvering in the brush though.


Seriously, best Bug-Out-Bag is your vehicle unless you got a fully-prepped cabin etc located several days walk from EOTR (end of the road). Lots to be said for being mobile...

Might be amazed where a 2wd sedan can go if outfitted with snowchains on the drive wheels. Big ol' sedan can carry lots of stuff if you remove the rear seat or put plywood or plastic over the benchseat. Trunk is a decent locker for gear as well.


The backpack mentality, those who think they can carry enough basics to build a new life is a mental shortfall, a ticket to nowhere unless you are a trained Special Forces dude with a rainforest for resource. Not a whole lot of opportunity in deserts or mountains unless you bring your opportunities with you which is the smart thing to do.

My idea of a bug out vehicle is a 4x4 diesel crewcab one ton truck pulling a dual axle trailer with the heaviest weight rate I can find. Fill this with all your "opportunities" and maybe you will persevere...
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
There's a big difference in packs. If you've got the wrong style you'll be miserable. I still like the old style external frame and pack it vertically. Something like the old Kelty D4 is the bomb.
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
Made the move from a tactical style soft pack to an
old external frame "kelty style" backpack last night.

Same contents, same weight MUCH for comfortable carry.

Fewer compartments but I can divide with ziplock bags.

If you are having weight issues if might be an option
especially for you city folk where the tactical look
might draw unwanted attention.
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
I go backpacking/camping a lot.

I carry my bob as my pack. Practice makes perfect!

I imagine there's plenty of morons that have a 200 lb bag and think they can just walk out of where they are.

If you are walking out, and in great shape, sure you could lug 90 lbs, but it wouldn't be comfy. (Ask anyone who's had to lug that in the army)

If you are out of shape, realistically you shouldn't be packing more then 40lbs.

Weigh your pack, and go camping with it, I think a lot of people would be surprised what it's like to walk 10 miles with 40 lbs.
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
I would like to take a poll on how many people on this site have actually even went camping for a week without any electronics, or house hold items of comfort. These are the people that have all this high tech BOB material. Once the city folk start coming to the country it sure will be nice that you bring all this high tech goodies for us to use.
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
I would like to take a poll on how many people on this site have actually even went camping for a week without any electronics, or house hold items of comfort. These are the people that have all this high tech BOB material. Once the city folk start coming to the country it sure will be nice that you bring all this high tech goodies for us to use.
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--> gear : nylon 3 season hammock, 4 season sleeping bag, 2 Tarps, 9mm, one extra magazine of buffalo big bore (For the black bears/coyotes), First aid kit, Bungee chords, para-chord, led head lamp, Gerber Machete, Multi-tool, Magnesium fire starter kit, bic lighter, zip lock bag of dryer lint, Water purification pump/filter, water purification tablets, esbit tabs/stove, mess kit, steel water bottle, small tackle box (bobbers, sinkers, hooks, string), a couple MRE's, flask with Jack daniels. :)

Great for camping! Great for bugging out!
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
I realized I couldn't about 5 years ago.

Now I walk 5-6 miles a day with it on a treadmill, (2hr training pass in front of a movie or catching up on shows.

it's helped me lose 25 lbs, and i'm in better shape than I've been in two decades. All that training has allowed me to pack a bag that weighs more than most would be able to haul even short distances. All in, my gear weighs 72 lbs.

In June this year I hiked 200 miles on the Appalachian trail with it. And I was faster than most who carry less than half the weight.

So, the answer is yes, but the question is an extremely important one. Like I said, 5 years ago the answer was no for me.
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
Great input folks, reason I asked was because I doubt I can get far, bad knee, injured toe, wife, kids......

All requires careful planning and thought. Lots for me to think about

Any other input welcome
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
I realized I couldn't about 5 years ago.

Now I walk 5-6 miles a day with it on a treadmill, (2hr training pass in front of a movie or catching up on shows.

it's helped me lose 25 lbs, and i'm in better shape than I've been in two decades. All that training has allowed me to pack a bag that weighs more than most would be able to haul even short distances. All in, my gear weighs 72 lbs.

In June this year I hiked 200 miles on the Appalachian trail with it. And I was faster than most who carry less than half the weight.

So, the answer is yes, but the question is an extremely important one. Like I said, 5 years ago the answer was no for me.
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Yeah, I first starting getting into backpacking about 6 years ago. It's surprising how a little weight can make an otherwise pleasant trip into a hell march. Most folks I wouldn't recommend going with more then 40lbs. (That means leaving a lot of gear at home.) For someone like you, if you're in a group, you will end up being the pack mule. lol. I've had this happen to me a couple times. When I go with my family, I'm usually carrying extra water, food, and a lot of the daughters gear. (She's only 6, so she carries her hammock, a water bottle, and a couple other little things.) -->gotta go camping with the family if you got one! Changes the dynamic completely, and if there comes a time where you need to bug out, you'll know a lot more about everyone's physical capabilities, and where you'll need to pick up the slack.
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Oh lordy! Silly me, when I read BOB, I didn't automatically think Bug Out Bag, I thought Battery Operated Boyfriend. tounge

I can carry some of what I think I'll need. Will it be enough or everything? That's the question going through my mind...
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Well ma'am, we all have different priorities. More power to you! (See what I did there?..."power"???)

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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
Great input folks, reason I asked was because I doubt I can get far, bad knee, injured toe, wife, kids......

All requires careful planning and thought. Lots for me to think about

Any other input welcome
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Have you ever gone on a backpacking camping trip?

What about with a family?

Your next options, are if you can't walk out, are there other means of escape? What about sheltering in place? These are all different scenarios that require different tactics.
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I hope you can because once you step on my property it's mine.
Oh, trespassers will be shot on sight.
Did I mention that earlier?
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
I hope you can because once you step on my property it's mine.
Oh, trespassers will be shot on sight.
Did I mention that earlier?
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Does that seem harsh? I
WOULD YOU ALLOW AN ARMED ROOTLESS STRANGER WHICH HAS NOTHING BUT THE GEAR ON HIS BACK GET BEHIND YOU??


Do you see the problem now?




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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
Funny you should ask, I was working on it last night. I decided to pack some clothes and shoes to start with. I made several lists of things to gather for different situations in a rush.

My pack is the size of a skinny malnourished teenager...bearable for a person my size.
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
As others have mentioned, weight of the pack is one of the biggest problems and if you have not done any backpacking you could be in for a rude awakening 1 mile down the road. Make sure you can carry that weight for an extended period of time. Carrying a backpack full of books across campus IS NOT a good gauge of how much weight and how long you can carry it. My pack is around 40 pounds on a three day assault pack.
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
I hope you can because once you step on my property it's mine.
Oh, trespassers will be shot on sight.
Did I mention that earlier?
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Does that seem harsh? I
WOULD YOU ALLOW AN ARMED ROOTLESS STRANGER WHICH HAS NOTHING BUT THE GEAR ON HIS BACK GET BEHIND YOU??


Do you see the problem now?




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The elephant in the room being ignored is whos property will you steal to squat on, who will you displace to set your own ass down?
Why should you run away to hide and seek safety behind those who
stand their ground and end up unprotected and forced to be the very tip of resistance while all others hide, beg and scavenge/steal?
If everyone runs, if everyone gives ground, the concentrate themselves and further make their destruction easier simply by leaving them cut off and out of supplies or allies since all will attempt to seek their own salvation at the expense of those around them?
You cant win while you abandon everything of value and support.

But thats what you are being taught to do, run away and ultimately self destroy.


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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
During the Vietnam War the North Vietnamese used sturdy bicycles to carry about 300# through the jungles down the Ho Chi Ming Trail all the way from N Vietnam to their staging areas in the jungles in the south (several hundred miles). Didn't ride them ... used them as two wheeled NARROW carts.

Just a thought ... for those who are committed to going into the wilderness withOUT a vehicle. Be sure to get the new aftermarket "solid" tires though so you don't have to worry about tires going flat.

Around here you can buy old style single speed steel framed bicycles at yard sales all day long for about $20. Add in another $60 for solid tires, and then build a cargo frame for it (or get one used by delivery bicycles - yep delivery bicycles are still sometimes still used even in the US), and voila, you have a way to carry lots of weight/gear into the wilderness.

fwiw the US Park Service uses a modern POWERED version of this idea in many cases for carrying the heavier equipment into the wildness that they need for trail building and trail maintaining (instead of using real mules).
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Yeap, I take 5-10mi walks 4-5 days/week w/ the Oh Shit bag. Got a collapsible bow and arrow set up too. My ass'll go straight to the mountains and be able to kill game silently. I'll pretty much live like a king. Looking forward to it!
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Be sure you bring all your heirloom seeds so you can eat next year!
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For the girls:
Wear something really sexy, there WILL be competion and you'll want to make a proper first impression!
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
So, with all the DOOM posts, assume SHTF and you need to bug out because the zombies have overrun the town. The streets are blocked.

You have a fantastic SHTF strategy, but now it is down to you and your bug-out-bag.

Are you capable of lugging that sucker with all your hi-tek kit and ammo and weapons and food and water and....you get the idea.

Can you move fast, have you trained with the pack weight you will carry? Or will you be on your knees gasping for breath before you make it to the end of the block?
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you'll have to go smart
water purifier straw
fish hooks and line
plastic tarp
firemaker kit
and a pot
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For the girls:
Wear something really sexy, there WILL be competion and you'll want to make a proper first impression!
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people like you will die first
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
I hope you can because once you step on my property it's mine.
Oh, trespassers will be shot on sight.
Did I mention that earlier?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60275215


Does that seem harsh? I
WOULD YOU ALLOW AN ARMED ROOTLESS STRANGER WHICH HAS NOTHING BUT THE GEAR ON HIS BACK GET BEHIND YOU??


Do you see the problem now?




R
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60275215



The elephant in the room being ignored is whos property will you steal to squat on, who will you displace to set your own ass down?
Why should you run away to hide and seek safety behind those who
stand their ground and end up unprotected and forced to be the very tip of resistance while all others hide, beg and scavenge/steal?
If everyone runs, if everyone gives ground, the concentrate themselves and further make their destruction easier simply by leaving them cut off and out of supplies or allies since all will attempt to seek their own salvation at the expense of those around them?
You cant win while you abandon everything of value and support.

But thats what you are being taught to do, run away and ultimately self destroy.


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Not necessarily. Some positions are not worth defending. I would not bug-out in all cases but there are cases that I would, its situational. If I were to find myself in a situation where I had to defend my spot every hour of the day against looters, I would consider relocating somewhere else where I could get some reprieve to do other things like finding a clean water supply and food sources.
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
I hope you can because once you step on my property it's mine.
Oh, trespassers will be shot on sight.
Did I mention that earlier?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60275215


Does that seem harsh? I
WOULD YOU ALLOW AN ARMED ROOTLESS STRANGER WHICH HAS NOTHING BUT THE GEAR ON HIS BACK GET BEHIND YOU??


Do you see the problem now?




R
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60275215



The elephant in the room being ignored is whos property will you steal to squat on, who will you displace to set your own ass down?
Why should you run away to hide and seek safety behind those who
stand their ground and end up unprotected and forced to be the very tip of resistance while all others hide, beg and scavenge/steal?
If everyone runs, if everyone gives ground, the concentrate themselves and further make their destruction easier simply by leaving them cut off and out of supplies or allies since all will attempt to seek their own salvation at the expense of those around them?
You cant win while you abandon everything of value and support.

But thats what you are being taught to do, run away and ultimately self destroy.


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there is plenty of wilderness owned by the american people
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Re: So, SHTF, can you even carry your BOB?
I hope you can because once you step on my property it's mine.
Oh, trespassers will be shot on sight.
Did I mention that earlier?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60275215


Does that seem harsh? I
WOULD YOU ALLOW AN ARMED ROOTLESS STRANGER WHICH HAS NOTHING BUT THE GEAR ON HIS BACK GET BEHIND YOU??


Do you see the problem now?




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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60275215


This is why it will be the end! Bibletards, right wing extremist , fucktards like you are going to kill people for nothing. Quoting your holy book that gives you power.

People like you will get taken out by your own kind. Then the rest of us will have your shit after all you wing nuts kill each other off.

In America your property is inside your front door. You don't own any land, you are the tenant. Check your paperwork. If there is no law left, just stay home! No one is coming for anyone except them, once they realize they need to go home and protect themselves it will be over.

Anyone that runs to the woods will get hunted down with infrared vision quite easily. Besides what do you think you are bugging out from besides law enforcement? Be real people, no one paid attention to the people telling the truth in the beginning and now it is too late. Unless someone out there has a military sized force ready to go to clean house?

I didn't think so.





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