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Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

 
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The Seventh Day: God Rests



1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


So God rests from his labors, and while he is resting some mothafucka comes in and takes credit for it all calling himself LORD God, and fucks everything up.

If YOU believe in talking snakes that is.

Who here believes in talking snakes?

Ever seen one?

LOL
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It wasn't a snake. It was a serpent. Look it up in Strong's Concordance. It means charmer; enchanter. The problem is the false Baal priest in our churches today don't teach this stuff. The Bible won't make sense if you've been taught by wolves in sheep's clothing with a 501c3 status.
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Who gives a fuck?

God or The LORD God.

Two separate creation accounts, two separate beginnings, one a damned people, the other MAN.

And THAT is where I lay my axe.

CHOP!
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The Sixth Day: Creatures on Land

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.




You are being robbed of your divine heritage by the lies and obfuscations people.

Search your soul.

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The Seventh Day: God Rests



1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


So God rests from his labors, and while he is resting some mothafucka comes in and takes credit for it all calling himself LORD God, and fucks everything up.

If YOU believe in talking snakes that is.

Who here believes in talking snakes?

Ever seen one?

LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53202638


It wasn't a snake. It was a serpent. Look it up in Strong's Concordance. It means charmer; enchanter. The problem is the false Baal priest in our churches today don't teach this stuff. The Bible won't make sense if you've been taught by wolves in sheep's clothing with a 501c3 status.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27967026


Who gives a fuck?

God or The LORD God.

Two separate creation accounts, two separate beginnings, one a damned people, the other MAN.

And THAT is where I lay my axe.

CHOP!
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Yes there are 2 creation stories. One of pre-Adamic man and one of Adamic man. The story of the serpent is important. This explains the war that has been going on between Adamic man and the serpent seed since the Garden of Eden. It DOES matter. If you don't understand that, you're not going to understand a good portion of the Bible. Remain ignorant if you choose. Your problem. Not mine.


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The Seventh Day: God Rests



1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


So God rests from his labors, and while he is resting some mothafucka comes in and takes credit for it all calling himself LORD God, and fucks everything up.

If YOU believe in talking snakes that is.

Who here believes in talking snakes?

Ever seen one?

LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53202638


It wasn't a snake. It was a serpent. Look it up in Strong's Concordance. It means charmer; enchanter. The problem is the false Baal priest in our churches today don't teach this stuff. The Bible won't make sense if you've been taught by wolves in sheep's clothing with a 501c3 status.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27967026


Who gives a fuck?

God or The LORD God.

Two separate creation accounts, two separate beginnings, one a damned people, the other MAN.

And THAT is where I lay my axe.

CHOP!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54590075


Yes there are 2 creation stories. One of pre-Adamic man and one of Adamic man. The story of the serpent is important. This explains the war that has been going on between Adamic man and the serpent seed since the Garden of Eden. It DOES matter. If you don't understand that, you're not going to understand a good portion of the Bible. Remain ignorant if you choose. Your problem. Not mine.
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Can you not see how easily you killed MAN to continue in the lie?

Doctor, heal thyself.
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The Sixth Day: Creatures on Land

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.




You are being robbed of your divine heritage by the lies and obfuscations people.

Search your soul.


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One can only speak for themselves.

Therefore I say unto all, I am the Son of MAN, not Adam, and all things on this Earth have been given unto me that I might have dominion over them.

And so shall it be.

My brothers and sisters, may you know in your heart whether you are or not, it is time to replenish this earth that OUR offspring has an Earth to call their own.

Burn down the adamic tree.
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This is a 9 part series by Dr. Bunseki Fu-Kiau which will fill in spiritual blanks that have been denied you by those who would rule over you.

For those who WANT then knowledge.

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"For He must REIGN until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death. " (1 Corinthians 15:25-26)

"And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high ... BUT OF THE SON HE SAYS,, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM" ... But to which of the angels has He ever said, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET." (Hebrews 1:3,8,13)
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JUDAH AND JOSEPH


Jubilee Bible 2000
For Judah prevailed above his brethren and was their prince, but the birthright was Joseph's:)


21:12
When Joseph and Judah meet it is the mirror image of the prodical son luke 15:11-32...Judah is not happy that ephraim gets the robe and the ring and fatted calf

Ezekiel 37 Joseph/Ephraim will intiate union but Judah will refuse and then only God will be able to bring union between Joseph and Judah the two leaders of the two kingdoms.

Judah is to remain blind so that Jospeh can come forth.
Just as the Judah is blind that the Christians could come forth.

Joseph firstborn of Rachel........Judah firstborn of Leah


Joseph converses with Judah:
Joseph and Judah

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Ezekiel 37 Joseph/Ephraim will intiate union but Judah will refuse and then only God will be able to bring union between Joseph and Judah the two leaders of the two kingdoms.
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What is YOUR agenda "Waterman"?

Your own scriptures say DO NOT listen to a Prophet who dies without their word being fulfilled, yet you continue to bring dead mens bones into the discussion.

So make it crystal clear for all of us.

What is YOUR agenda?


A New Prophet

15The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 20But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
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Notice the 7 dispensations(ages)


dispention3

dispension1

dispension2


In the last dispensation Kingdom age (1000 year millenium) the other 6 dispensions will all be used again working all together so we will have all dispenstions combined

1. Innoncence

2. Conscience

3. Human Government

4. Promise

5. Law

6. Grace

working all together in unity


as part of the law dispenstion:

Zech. 14 tells us we will celebrate the feasts days along with the sacrifices, these will both be reinstituted in the millennium (Ez.44:1-46- 46:24)

Zech 14:16-18 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.”


Isa 66:23 "And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the LORD. Isa. 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Sabbath, it also teaches we will keep the New Moon festival! This is on earth in the Millennium period- not in heaven."

If the Sabbath and feast days and the sacrifices are done away with in Christ how do we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory positions? How can there be a return to the sacrificial system without taking away from the meritorious sacrifice of Christ?

Millennial Israel will have at its center the Temple. Sacrifices (Ezek. 40:38-39), will continually be done during the Kingdom Age (Ezekiel 45:13 – 46:15)



The problem is easily solved if we view them as being COMMEMORATIVE rather than EFFICACIOUS


The sacrifices will be a memorial, just as animal sacrifice was a shadow of what was to come in the sacrifice Jesus made for salvation. Just as communion is practiced today looking back. They will not be propitiation, or effacacious (they will have no power to redeem) but are a reminder of what took place. The reason this will be instituted is because there will be many unbelievers born in the Millennial period, they will be sinners that will need to understand the sacrifice Christ did. Since his sacrifice is the final one, that cannot be repeated the types he fulfilled will be illustrative of his accomplishment.

the millennial sacrificial system will be instituted as a commemorative celebration of the completeness of the last and efficacious sacrifice of our Saviour, Jesus Christ our Lord and redeemer. The temple will truly become a house of prayer for all nations.

This temple will be replaced with God when the new heaven and new earth are created and God dwells with man after the 1000 year millenium...(Rev 21:22:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.


The two witnesses who were raised after 3.5 days of lying dead in the street after the 7 year tribulation will govern the millenial kingdom and will appoint kings and priests in hierarchical postions as to cover the human government dispensation as one of the 6 dispensations that will be combined in the 1000 year millenium.

theones


The 1000 year millenium will be governed by the Levitic high priest(Joseph) and the Davidic king....the davidic king will also have the title of prince of kings and the levitic high priest will have the title prince of priests as the millenial kingdom is a kingdom of kings and priests!

Then satan is loosed and war comes once again until Jesus comes as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS and satan and death are cast into the lake of fire and the new heaven and new earth are created and Jesus reigns as KING AND PRIEST forever after the order of melchelzedek with the prince of kings(David) on his right and prince of priests(Joseph) on his left for all eternity

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his right and prince of priests(Joseph) on his left for all eternity

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Fancy art work does not a living prophet make.

What is your agenda that you go against the very scripture you are trying to breathe life into?
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his right and prince of priests(Joseph) on his left for all eternity

leftrightkingpri
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Fancy art work does not a living prophet make.

What is your agenda that you go against the very scripture you are trying to breathe life into?
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Shhhhhhh.....its a secret.
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Shhhhhhh.....its a secret.
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No, I will not shhhh.

What the fuck is your agenda?

Because while you promote this bullshit, the truth is being denied the people of the World that they continue to suffer under the weight of their bondage.

You keep them in that bondage by promoting ignorance of themselves, and an Idea that they are supposed to be submissive to a race of liars and thieves.

Do not tell me to shhhh...

Answer the fucking question.
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Woes to Scribes and Pharisees

(Luke 11:37-54)

1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

16Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! 17Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 19Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 21And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. 22And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
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Not sure about these 'dispensations'. The only biblical reference to dispensation uses the Greek word Oikonomia. This word means 'a set of rules for an orderly household'. Ephesians 3:2 then, is referring to the rules for grace. The law is still in effect -as in 'not abolished'- however Jesus has paid the penalty of the law and we no longer need to be stoned or put to death or offer sacrifice for sin. The definition of 'sin' being 'transgression of the law'. We still sin, but Jesus bore the penalty of our sin on the cross.

Your set of dispensations does appear to look similar to the biblical principal of 'a thousand years is as a day unto the Lord'. The Book of Barnabus explains each of the seven days as corresponding to one day of creation. With six days as the six thousand years from creation to this period, and a thousand years, the 'seventh day' as the millenium. And the eighth day as God's reign in the new heaven and new earth. This principle is also addressed in the Book of Heresies.

Are you trying to figure out how Christ's reign in the millenium works? Who rules on the final eighth day? Not sure what the discussion is about here :)
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Not sure about these 'dispensations'. The only biblical reference to dispensation uses the Greek word Oikonomia. This word means 'a set of rules for an orderly household'. Ephesians 3:2 then, is referring to the rules for grace. The law is still in effect -as in 'not abolished'- however Jesus has paid the penalty of the law and we no longer need to be stoned or put to death or offer sacrifice for sin. The definition of 'sin' being 'transgression of the law'. We still sin, but Jesus bore the penalty of our sin on the cross.

Your set of dispensations does appear to look similar to the biblical principal of 'a thousand years is as a day unto the Lord'. The Book of Barnabus explains each of the seven days as corresponding to one day of creation. With six days as the six thousand years from creation to this period, and a thousand years, the 'seventh day' as the millenium. And the eighth day as God's reign in the new heaven and new earth. This principle is also addressed in the Book of Heresies.

Are you trying to figure out how Christ's reign in the millenium works? Who rules on the final eighth day? Not sure what the discussion is about here :)
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OK I can see I am going to need to get onto these topics at some point - but just for now in the meantime:


think of "thousands" as those coming from exile to freedom - and "hundreds" as those going from freedom to exile - the "years" in this case are those risen to freedom - and indeed they are as the day - they are as the light.

There is so much misunderstanding and miscomprehension it is hard to know where to begin with it all.

Please do not argue even though it is upsetting.

xx
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Not sure about these 'dispensations'. The only biblical reference to dispensation uses the Greek word Oikonomia. This word means 'a set of rules for an orderly household'. Ephesians 3:2 then, is referring to the rules for grace. The law is still in effect -as in 'not abolished'- however Jesus has paid the penalty of the law and we no longer need to be stoned or put to death or offer sacrifice for sin. The definition of 'sin' being 'transgression of the law'. We still sin, but Jesus bore the penalty of our sin on the cross.

Your set of dispensations does appear to look similar to the biblical principal of 'a thousand years is as a day unto the Lord'. The Book of Barnabus explains each of the seven days as corresponding to one day of creation. With six days as the six thousand years from creation to this period, and a thousand years, the 'seventh day' as the millenium. And the eighth day as God's reign in the new heaven and new earth. This principle is also addressed in the Book of Heresies.

Are you trying to figure out how Christ's reign in the millenium works? Who rules on the final eighth day? Not sure what the discussion is about here :)
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OK I can see I am going to need to get onto these topics at some point - but just for now in the meantime:


think of "thousands" as those coming from exile to freedom - and "hundreds" as those going from freedom to exile - the "years" in this case are those risen to freedom - and indeed they are as the day - they are as the light.

There is so much misunderstanding and miscomprehension it is hard to know where to begin with it all.

Please do not argue even though it is upsetting.

xx
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The "day" in this since also - are those who have been set free before you - and who, of the free, are not being crossed into exile.


Please do not immediately point out why this is something you feel is wrong - relax and maybe see how many times the hundreds are mentioned then the thousands - notice the smaller hundreds to the many thousands.


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Woes to Scribes and Pharisees

(Luke 11:37-54)

1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

16Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! 17Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 19Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 21And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. 22And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

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African Americans have no portion in the birthright blessings. They are only for white Israel.
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Skin color or national man made created name labels does not determine race or tribe.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


Membership to the tribes is based on blood/inheritance from the Fathers tribe. The House of Israel and the House of Judah is white skinned. Only white people match the birthright blessings.

And skin color doesn't determine race? Really?

And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he. 1 Samuel 16:12

King David is even described as having ruddy skin.

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 Quoting: Overcomer777


Yes, skin color does not determine race. Sure, it does leave a big clue, but it is not a 100% identifying trait.

Ruddy means red and so does Adam meaning red man.

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As it is written, "there is neither Jew (of the 12 tribes) nor Gentile in Christ Jesus, but one new man(-kind)"

So, there are those that were/are of Judah yet are now in Christ and therefore no longer Jews.

There are those that were/are of Ephraim yet are now in Christ and therefore no longer Jews.

There are those that were/are of Levi yet are now in Christ and therefore no longer Jews.

Yet, by descent from Ephraim-Joseph-Israel and Judah-Israel and Levi-Israel there were to be given promises.

Given now that those of these that were/are in Christ; those that were/are not in Christ, not born again, these would seem to be disqualified.

Perhaps these facts and issues need to be taken with more emphasis in order to make sure something has not been overlooked.

From Hosea we get a concept or thought of a Faithful Israel and an Unfaithful Israel. Even though Hosea was primarily speaking of Unfaithful Israel and Unfaithful Judah as if these two groups of peoples were Sisters.

the "Whore of Babylon" in the book of The Revelation is Unfaithful Israel, those that have not by that time accepted Jesus as Christ and Lord.

The Woman figured in Rev 12 represents Faithful Israel, those descendants of the children of Israel whom have accepted Jesus as Christ and Lord.

Unfaithful Judah gets nothing.
Faithful Judah gets what was promised to her.

Unfaithful Ephraim gets nothing.
Faithful Ephraim gets what was promised her.

Unfaithful Levi gets nothing.
Faithful Levi gets what was promised her.

So, with these things in mind, rethink the thesis of this Thread and you might gain more insight.
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who lived thousands of years ago has nothing to do with today.... why live in the past?
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Let's just say for fun. Next year or the year after your country the greatest country and super-power in the world was destroyed and you were lucky enough not to have to die from pestilence or starvation. You are taken into captivity and made a slave through what I will call a furnace of affliction. How would you come out of that furnace. Would you seek God or would you curse God. The secret to widson is knowing that history repeats itself. God has 12 tribes of Israel. Only 2 are in geographical Israel today. Those other 10 tribes are going to have to go through the furnace of affliction before they join those other 2 and those other 2 are going to have to come to the realization Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Your world is repetative....day after day the same thing...but soon it will flip upside down and you won't know if today is the last day you live. There are no atheists in foxholes....prepare for you life to change because very soon it will. For the better or for the worse will be your choice.
Knowing the past is to know the future!
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interesting…

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The Khazar Myth Debunked - 13th Tribe - Arthur Koestler Refuted
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#3 The Ten Lost Tribes | Where They Went, What They Are Now Called -- Part 1
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Lost Tribes of Israel, Found in the Scottish Declaration of Independence!
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Damn you all just refuse to sober up from that wine of the Jews which has made the whole world drunk, stumbling drunk!

Fuck Israel and fuck the Jews.

The whole narrative of that wicked people is created to confound and confuse and THAT is why it is so loved by those who rule over you!

A confounded and confused people cannot unite for they have NOTHING in common to unite for.

If not for the AWESOME ability of the confusing power of the Jew, they would not be tolerated by the people that hold high places.

Year after year after year after year the same debates, the same arguments, and the same confusion persists with NOTHING new coming forward in the name of peace.

Why do you all continue to drink that God forsaken wine?

Jesus said it himself, you do NOT put old wine in new wine skins, yet there you go putting the old testament right in with the new to confound and confuse the masses.

Jesus said it himself, you do not sew a new cloth on and old garment for it will tear apart at the seams, yet here we are trying to hold the clothe together so the nut sack don't fall out.

Am I happy for you?

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR AGENDA?


I may just want to see you fail miserably!
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As it is written, "there is neither Jew (of the 12 tribes) nor Gentile in Christ Jesus, but one new man(-kind)"

So, there are those that were/are of Judah yet are now in Christ and therefore no longer Jews.

There are those that were/are of Ephraim yet are now in Christ and therefore no longer Jews.

There are those that were/are of Levi yet are now in Christ and therefore no longer Jews.

Yet, by descent from Ephraim-Joseph-Israel and Judah-Israel and Levi-Israel there were to be given promises.

Given now that those of these that were/are in Christ; those that were/are not in Christ, not born again, these would seem to be disqualified.

Perhaps these facts and issues need to be taken with more emphasis in order to make sure something has not been overlooked.

From Hosea we get a concept or thought of a Faithful Israel and an Unfaithful Israel. Even though Hosea was primarily speaking of Unfaithful Israel and Unfaithful Judah as if these two groups of peoples were Sisters.

the "Whore of Babylon" in the book of The Revelation is Unfaithful Israel, those that have not by that time accepted Jesus as Christ and Lord.

The Woman figured in Rev 12 represents Faithful Israel, those descendants of the children of Israel whom have accepted Jesus as Christ and Lord.

Unfaithful Judah gets nothing.
Faithful Judah gets what was promised to her.

Unfaithful Ephraim gets nothing.
Faithful Ephraim gets what was promised her.

Unfaithful Levi gets nothing.
Faithful Levi gets what was promised her.

So, with these things in mind, rethink the thesis of this Thread and you might gain more insight.
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This is not correct.


First it must help to stop labelling people and defining them by labels - words with many meanings like jew and christ and all these things - of course many jews converted back in the day - but many many COULD NOT - because of what they knew and understood - this did not mean they were excluded or bad or wrong - in fact - the fact that the jews from those days survived shows us that they were not judged badly and were given to keep their lives - despite their .. not becoming as one with Christ.


Every one is measured according to his own will and his or her own deeds - and these jews maintained their lives through their actions - and also through their non-actions - they were not crossed away - so then they did not have that pathway for the option to cross back as JESUS/CHRIST - and after this also they were not crossed away or exiled and in this this - they were righteous - when you understand fully scripture you will see some were borderline but safe - not just jews - but in the crossings - and there was great shock and astonishment at events - such as the return of the dead: imagine if you had sent someone to their death - but they were exiled and then returned - you would be shocked too - both if it was a family member or if you were the one who condemned them - this was not physical death and physical re-birth.


Of course - because of this and then because of Mohammad needing to come - then there had to be a prophecy also for when all these divisions would end.

The rules of entry after exile were very stringent - so of course "Iam jesus" - christians stayed - jews stayed - mohammadians stayed - it was very strict - and maybe it was purposeful for the divisions to exist in order to measure the true of god - for not one true of god was ever meant to mark another man for any label or name - but only for his actions and so of course people now - they exhibit the truth of their souls through their acts - in these they divide themselves - maybe they think to god - but maybe in fact away.


So - maybe someone thinks they are better for some reason - if they act on this against a person for no other reason then this of course is not of god - but if they do not - then they are borderline - if they welcome their fellow and respect others with honour - then again this is different - etc - I don't see where the logic is lost.
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Damn you all just refuse to sober up from that wine of the Jews which has made the whole world drunk, stumbling drunk!

Fuck Israel and fuck the Jews.

The whole narrative of that wicked people is created to confound and confuse and THAT is why it is so loved by those who rule over you!

A confounded and confused people cannot unite for they have NOTHING in common to unite for.

If not for the AWESOME ability of the confusing power of the Jew, they would not be tolerated by the people that hold high places.

Year after year after year after year the same debates, the same arguments, and the same confusion persists with NOTHING new coming forward in the name of peace.

Why do you all continue to drink that God forsaken wine?

Jesus said it himself, you do NOT put old wine in new wine skins, yet there you go putting the old testament right in with the new to confound and confuse the masses.

Jesus said it himself, you do not sew a new cloth on and old garment for it will tear apart at the seams, yet here we are trying to hold the clothe together so the nut sack don't fall out.

Am I happy for you?

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR AGENDA?


I may just want to see you fail miserably!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53203011


A man will gladly remain ignorant, so long as he is comfortable.

A man will gladly mock the voice of reason, so long as his appetite is filled.

A man will gladly allow iniquity, so long as hardship does not befall himself.

Therefore, fuck you all!

Pestilence will run it's course and decimate the Nations.

Then will come famine unlike this world has ever known.

Then that which remains will be humbled enough that they will turn their ear to reason.

So be it.
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Damn you all just refuse to sober up from that wine of the Jews which has made the whole world drunk, stumbling drunk!

Fuck Israel and fuck the Jews.

The whole narrative of that wicked people is created to confound and confuse and THAT is why it is so loved by those who rule over you!

A confounded and confused people cannot unite for they have NOTHING in common to unite for.

If not for the AWESOME ability of the confusing power of the Jew, they would not be tolerated by the people that hold high places.

Year after year after year after year the same debates, the same arguments, and the same confusion persists with NOTHING new coming forward in the name of peace.

Why do you all continue to drink that God forsaken wine?

Jesus said it himself, you do NOT put old wine in new wine skins, yet there you go putting the old testament right in with the new to confound and confuse the masses.

Jesus said it himself, you do not sew a new cloth on and old garment for it will tear apart at the seams, yet here we are trying to hold the clothe together so the nut sack don't fall out.

Am I happy for you?

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR AGENDA?


I may just want to see you fail miserably!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53203011


A man will gladly remain ignorant, so long as he is comfortable.

A man will gladly mock the voice of reason, so long as his appetite is filled.

A man will gladly allow iniquity, so long as hardship does not befall himself.

Therefore, fuck you all!

Pestilence will run it's course and decimate the Nations.

Then will come famine unlike this world has ever known.

Then that which remains will be humbled enough that they will turn their ear to reason.

So be it.
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How are you defining "famine" - is this based on some biblical misinterpretation also?




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Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning [of the End Times] there would arise a Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] from the house of Joseph who will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be gathered together under his banner. This will continue until later on, a descendant of David will appear and he will reign over them....
A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through the agency of a Prophet and by miracles.
The Commentary of "Malbim" on Ezekiel 37:15


The story of Joseph in the Bible is an historical account of what really did happen to Joseph, the ancestor of people in Britain and America, as well as other areas. The story of Joseph, in addition to being an historical account of what happened to a particular person named Joseph, is also symbolic of what will happen to his descendants. In Rabbinical tradition we have the concept of the “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), who will be a DESCENDANT OF JOSEPH. “Mashiach ben Yoseph” also represents the actions of the descendants of Joseph in the Last Days and the times leading up to these last days. In Jewish tradition there will be two Messiahs: “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), and “Mashiach ben David” (Messiah, son of David).

The Two Messiahs

The concept of the Messiah is derived from the definition of “Mashiach.” “Mashiach” means “anointed one” in Hebrew. A person could be anointed in order to be consecrated for a special purpose. For instance, in times of war a special priest was “anointed” to declare before the Israelite soldiers their God-ordained duty to fight bravely (Deuteronomy 19;2-4). The kings were ALSO anointed. The idea of an anointed savior, of a “Mashiah” i.e. Messiah, is contained in the Prophets. The “Messiah” was to be descended from King David. He was to be the “Messiah, son of David.” In addition to the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, a tradition existed that there would also be a “Messiah, son of Joseph” who would come shortly before the “Messiah, son of David.” The MESSIAH, SON OF JOSEPH was to be a descendant of Joseph, from the Tribe of Ephraim. According to the Biblical Commentary known as the Malbim (1809-1879), the MESSIAH, SON OF JOSEPH, was to head the Lost Ten Tribes in the latter days in the period leading up to the return of the Lost Ten Tribes and their eventual re-unification with Judah. The full name of the MALBIM was Meir Leib ben Yechiel Michael [Weiser], but he is called “MALBIM” for short. He lived in 1809-1879 CE. The Malbim comments on Ezekiel 37:
THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME AGAIN UNTO ME, SAYING, MOREOVER, THOU SON OF MAN, TAKE THEE ONE STICK, AND WRITE UPON IT, FOR JUDAH, AND FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HIS COMPANIONS:

THEN TAKE ANOTHER STICK, AND WRITE UPON IT, FOR JOSEPH, THE STICK OF EPHRAIM AND FOR ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL HIS COMPANIONS:

AND JOIN THEM ONE TO ANOTHER INTO ONE STICK; AND THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND.


AND WHEN THE CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE SHALL SPEAK UNTO THEE, SAYING, WILT THOU NOT SHEW US WHAT THOU MEANEST BY THESE? SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD;

BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH, WHICH IS IN THE HAND OF EPHRAIM, AND THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL HIS FELLOWS, AND WILL PUT THEM WITH HIM, EVEN WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH, AND MAKE THEM ONE STICK, AND THEY SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND. AND THE STICKS WHEREON THOU WRITEST SHALL BE IN THINE HAND BEFORE THEIR EYES.

AND SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FROM AMONG THE HEATHEN, WHITHER THEY BE GONE, AND WILL GATHER THEM ON EVERY SIDE, AND BRING THEM INTO THEIR OWN LAND: AND I WILL MAKE THEM ONE NATION IN THE LAND UPON THE MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL; AND ONE KING SHALL BE KING TO THEM ALL:

AND THEY SHALL BE NO MORE TWO NATIONS, NEITHER SHALL THEY BE DIVIDED INTO TWO KINGDOMS ANY MORE AT ALL. NEITHER SHALL THEY DEFILE THEMSELVES ANY MORE WITH THEIR IDOLS, NOR WITH THEIR DETESTABLE THINGS, NOR WITH ANY OF THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS:

BUT I WILL SAVE THEM OUT OF ALL THEIR DWELLING PLACES, WHEREIN THEY HAVE SINNED, AND WILL CLEANSE THEM: SO SHALL THEY BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD. AND DAVID MY SERVANT SHALL BE KING OVER THEM; AND THEY ALL SHALL HAVE ONE SHEPHERD:

THEY SHALL ALSO WALK IN MY JUDGMENTS, AND OBSERVE MY STATUTES, AND DO THEM. AND THEY SHALL DWELL IN THE LAND THAT I HAVE GIVEN UNTO JACOB MY SERVANT, WHEREIN YOUR FATHERS HAVE DWELT; AND THEY SHALL DWELL THEREIN, EVEN THEY, AND THEIR CHILDREN, AND THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN FOR EVER:

AND MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER. MOREOVER I WILL MAKE A COVENANT OF PEACE WITH THEM; IT SHALL BE AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH THEM: AND I WILL PLACE THEM, AND MULTIPLY THEM, AND WILL SET MY SANCTUARY IN THE MIDST OF THEM FOR EVERMORE. MY TABERNACLE ALSO SHALL BE WITH THEM:

YEA, I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. AND THE HEATHEN SHALL KNOW THAT I THE LORD DO SANCTIFY ISRAEL, WHEN MY SANCTUARY SHALL BE IN THE MIDST OF THEM FOR EVERMORE.

[Ezekiel chapter 37: 15-28]
The Malbim explained the above verses that we have just read from the 37th chapter of Ezekiel in the following manner: [Ezekiel 37;15] "He [the Prophet] was commanded to take one stick and to write upon it, these words, ~FOR JUDAH AND FOR THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, HIS COMPANIONS~; [this stick] represented Judah and those [others] joined unto him from the Children of Israel, such as the Tribe of Benjamin, and the Sons of Levi, and the rest of the people who had attached themselves to Judah.

[And he goes on in Ezekiel] "~And he took another stick, and he wrote upon it, these words: ~FOR JOSEPH, THE STICK OF EPHRAIM, AND FOR ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, HIS COMPANIONS~; [this stick] represents Joseph who was the source of the tribe [of Ephraim]. From Joseph developed the Kingdom of Ephraim, which began with Jeroboam, and therefore [the stick of Joseph] is [also] termed , ~THE STICK OF EPHRAIM.

Ezekiel says: ~AND ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL~, for unto him [unto Joseph] were joined all of Israel which belong to the Ten Tribes... Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning (of the End Times) would arise a Messiah, [i.e. Anointed Saviour], from the house of Joseph who will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be gathered together under his banner. [This will continue] until a descendant of David later appears and he will reign over them... [over all the tribes].

The Malbim continues: "A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through the agency of a Prophet and by miracles".

The MALBIM connects the Prophecy in Ezekiel 37 with that in the Book of Micah chapter 5. The fifth chapter of Micah was explained in the historical sections of our work “The Tribes” by Yair Davidiy (first edition 1993, second edition 1999). The fifth chapter of Micah was seen to describe the union of King Josiah ben Amon of Judah with the Israelite-Scythian rulers of the Middle East at that time. The Scythians were actually the sons, grandsons, and great-grandsons of Israelites exiled to Assyria and elsewhere in the Assyrian Empire. The Assyrians had settled the exiled Israelites in border areas and had also absorbed segments of them into the armed forces. The Kingdom of Assyria was attacked by outsiders and also suffered from the rebellions of peoples it had conquered. The Empire of Assyria became weakened so many of the peoples within the Assyrian Empire began to assert their independence. Part of the Israelite Exiles also asserted their independence in their places of Exile. The Israelite exiles had joined up with other groups. The Israelite Exiles can be identified as part of a confederation of peoples known as the Cimmerians. From the Cimmerians the Scythians and Goths emerged. The Scythians and Goths, who emerged from the Cimmerians, were also Israelites or at least Israelites were an important major element amongst them. The Assyrians made terms with the Scythians and attempted to use the Scythians against the enemies of Assyria. The Scythians became the protectors of Assyria. From being protectors of Assyria the Scythians progressed to take control of most of the Assyrian they Empire. The Scythians then attempted to join forces with the Kingdom of Judah and assisted King Josiah ben Amon of Judah against his enemies. King Josiah of Judah in turn assisted the Scythians. King Josiah of Judah made an attempt to resettle some of the Scythians in and around Beth-Shean in the former territory of Menasseh, in the northern part of Israel. This attempt was not successful. Eventually the Assyrians attempted to re-assert themselves and there were wars and changes of alliances. King Josiah of Judah lost his life fighting on behalf of the Scythians. At all events, the Scythians then fought against the Assyrians and they played the main role in destroying the Empire of Assyria. The Scythians destroyed Assyria. The main allies of the Scythians were the Medes and Babylonians. The Medes and Babylonians betrayed the Scythians and drove the Scythians northward into Southern Russia. From Southern Russia the Scythians later moved by stages to Western Europe. The Prophet Micah in Chapter Five, Talmudic passages, archaeological evidence, and historical accounts all confirm what we have just told you.

[Micah 5:1] NOW GATHER THYSELF IN TROOPS, O DAUGHTER OF TROOPS: HE HATH LAID SIEGE AGAINST US: THEY SHALL SMITE THE JUDGE OF ISRAEL WITH A ROD UPON THE CHEEK. [Micah 5:2] BUT THOU, BETHLEHEM EPHRATAH, THOUGH THOU BE LITTLE AMONG THE THOUSANDS OF JUDAH, YET OUT OF THEE SHALL HE COME FORTH UNTO ME THAT IS TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING. [Micah 5:3] THEREFORE WILL HE GIVE THEM UP, UNTIL THE TIME THAT SHE WHICH TRAVAILETH HATH BROUGHT FORTH: THEN THE REMNANT OF HIS BRETHREN SHALL RETURN UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.

The above verses speak of a King from the House of David who came out of Beth-Lehem. He shall rule over some of the exiled of Israel who will return. This is what King Josiah did. It is also what the Messiah is destined to do at first.

[Micah 5:4] AND HE SHALL STAND AND FEED IN THE STRENGTH OF THE LORD, IN THE MAJESTY OF THE NAME OF THE LORD HIS GOD; AND THEY SHALL ABIDE: FOR NOW SHALL HE BE GREAT UNTO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH. [Micah 5:5] AND THIS MAN SHALL BE THE PEACE, WHEN THE ASSYRIAN SHALL COME INTO OUR LAND: AND WHEN HE SHALL TREAD IN OUR PALACES, THEN SHALL WE RAISE AGAINST HIM SEVEN SHEPHERDS, AND EIGHT PRINCIPAL MEN.

The Assyrians had entered the Lands of Israel and Judah in the past and they had trodden down the cities and palaces of Israel. The Israelite Scythians after being exiled became at first allies and protectors of Assyria. They were “SHEPHERDS”, or protectors, as Micah says, then they became the main rulers (“EIGHT PRINCIPAL MEN”) just as Micah describes the Israelites as doing.

[Micah 5:6] AND THEY [i.e. the Israelites] SHALL WASTE THE LAND OF ASSYRIA WITH THE SWORD, AND THE LAND OF NIMROD IN THE ENTRANCES THEREOF: THUS SHALL HE DELIVER US FROM THE ASSYRIAN, WHEN HE COMETH INTO OUR LAND, AND WHEN HE TREADETH WITHIN OUR BORDERS.

They shall destroy the land of Assyria. The Israelites will destroy Assyria just as the Assyrians had formerly destroyed the Land of Israel. This is what the Israelite-Scythians did. They destroyed Assyria.

[Micah 5:7] AND THE REMNANT OF JACOB SHALL BE IN THE MIDST OF MANY PEOPLE AS A DEW FROM THE LORD, AS THE SHOWERS UPON THE GRASS, THAT TARRIETH NOT FOR MAN, NOR WAITETH FOR THE SONS OF MEN. [Micah 5:8] AND THE REMNANT OF JACOB SHALL BE AMONG THE GENTILES IN THE MIDST OF MANY PEOPLE AS A LION AMONG THE BEASTS OF THE FOREST, AS A YOUNG LION AMONG THE FLOCKS OF SHEEP: WHO, IF HE GO THROUGH, BOTH TREADETH DOWN, AND TEARETH IN PIECES, AND NONE CAN DELIVER.

The Scythians after taking over the Assyrian Empire ruled over the Middle East and spread terror of their name everywhere just like the “British Lion” was later to do.

[Micah 5:9] THINE HAND SHALL BE LIFTED UP UPON THINE ADVERSARIES, AND ALL THINE ENEMIES SHALL BE CUT OFF.

What we have just described is the historical context of the fifth chapter of Micah. Nevertheless, in our book “The Tribes” we emphasized that the major intention of Chapter Five of The Book of Micah, was for the Messianic period. This Chapter Five of Micah may be considered to incidentally describe events concerning the temporary Judaean and Israelite (Scythian) re-union that once took place. These historical events were a kind of partial forerunner or prototypical model of the re-union that will take place in the future. The future re-union is yet to happen but it will occur in the Messianic Era or in the period leading up to it. The MALBIM in his commentary on this Fifth Chapter of Micah intended to also throw additional light on Chapter 37 in Ezekiel. The Malbim considered chapter five of Micah and Chapter 37 of Ezekiel as talking about the same events. A few extracts from the Commentary of the Malbim on chapter five of Micah helps us understand his Commentary on Chapter 37 of Ezekiel. The Malbim says on:

MALBIM on Micah 5;1: ".....It has already been clarified in Ezekiel 37, that in the End Time, the Ten Tribes will be the first to arouse themselves and over them will reign the Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] Descendant of Joseph and they will accomplish great things.

"The Tribe of Judah who are scattered amongst the nations [and are] weakly and few will attach themselves [unto the Ten Tribes]. They [i.e. the Tribe of Judah, the Jews] will be of secondary importance [at first] in the kingdom of the Anointed Descendant of Joseph. [This will continue] until later there will arise the Anointed Descendant of David in the Might of The LORD. At that time they will all [both Joseph and Judah] accept upon themselves the Kingship of the House of David. Then wars will cease for the Gentiles will request [guidance from] him [i.e. from the Messiah]...

"He [the Prophet Micah] wants to describe the situation that will exist as long as the general ingathering will not be completed and all of the Exiled of Judah will still not be gathered together in the Land of Israel: Then, all that time, the House of Israel [meaning the Ten Tribes and the Anointed Descendant of Joseph who belongs to them] will be the principal party. They will be the warriors and the rulers. The House of Judah will be secondary [in importance] unto them. This was explained in Ezekiel [37;19]
“BEHOLD , I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH…“I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH…AND I WILL PUT UPON HIM THE STICK OF JUDAH”, i.e. the Malbim understands the verse to say that the stick of Judah will be put on the stick of Joseph. The Malbim understands this to mean that Judah will be secondary to Joseph.

The KJ version of this verse (Ezekiel 37;19) that the Malbim is referring to has it translated as:

"[Ezekiel 37:19] SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH, WHICH IS IN THE HAND OF EPHRAIM, AND THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL HIS FELLOWS, AND WILL PUT THEM WITH HIM, EVEN WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH, AND MAKE THEM ONE STICK, AND THEY SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.

The King James seems to understand that the stick of Joseph will be put with the stick of Judah and not that the stick of Judah will be put with Joseph. This is just the opposite of how the Malbim understands the verse. In the original Hebrew the verse could be understood either way. At all events, The MALBIM understands the Hebrew as saying that Judah will be put on (attached to) Joseph (and therefore will be at first of secondary "attache"status importance to Joseph. In Genesis chapter 44 it is related how the brothers sold Joseph. Joseph later had become the virtual ruler of Egypt. Meanwhile the Land of Canaan like the Land of Egypt was stricken with famine. The brothers of Joseph went up to Egypt to buy grain. Joseph recognized his brothers but the brothers of Joseph did not recognize him. Joseph forced his brothers to go back to Canaan and eventually return accompanied by Benjamin the younger brother of Joseph by the same mother. Joseph then framed Benjamin and made Benjamin look like a thief. Joseph threatened to keep Benjamin as a slave. Judah stepped forward and approached Joseph and pleaded on behalf of Benjamin. Judah offered to serve as a slave instead of Benjamin. The Commentators say that because Judah took responsibility for Benjamin Judah merited to be given Messianic responsibility as part of his Tribal Destiny. From Judah emerges the House of David and the future Messiah. Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher (Chabad) Rabbi, made the following observations on the action of Judah (Genesis: VaYigash). Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson was considered inspired by his followers and by many others. The relevant verse says:

[GENESIS 44:18] THEN JUDAH CAME NEAR UNTO HIM, AND SAID, OH MY LORD, LET THY SERVANT, I PRAY THEE, SPEAK A WORD IN MY LORD'S EARS, AND LET NOT THINE ANGER BURN AGAINST THY SERVANT: FOR THOU ART EVEN AS PHARAOH.

Commentary: On the verse: “FOR THOU ART EVEN AS PHARAOH”: Rabbi Schneerson quotes the source saying that Judah meant to say that Joseph is as powerful as Pharaoh and that Judah acknowledges his authority. Judah acknowledged the authority of Joseph. Because of this Judah merited the Promise in Ezekiel 37, “MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER”. The Rabbi says that in order for Judah to bring on the Messiah, to help the Messiah come, and realize the promise given to his seed (“MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER”) Judah must first do as the Patriarch Judah did when he CAME NEAR UNTO Joseph and he acknowledged the authority of Joseph and initially was influenced from Joseph.

The Rabbi then went on to mention how the USA is a merciful state that does kindness and enables the Jews to practice their religion and has good principles. He used the term “Chesed” meaning kindness. The USA does “Chesed”, kindness. The Kings of the Ten Tribes Kingdom of northern Israel before their exile were also described as “merciful kings”, kings of “chesed”, Kings who do kindness (1-Kings 20;31).

Regarding the future Messiah son of Joseph: The traditional Aramaic Translation of the Prophets (Targum Yehonathan on Exodus 40:11) says the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is descended from Joshua the son of Nun from the Tribe of Ephraim. Other sources say that the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is a descendant of Jeroboam the son of Nebath (Zohar Chadash, Balak 56b). Jeroboam had led the northern Ten Tribes when they rebelled against the House of David and broke away and formed their own kingdom of Israel (1-Kings chapter 12). All the Israelites in the separate kingdom of Israel were later exiled by the Assyrians and became the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH who is the descendant of Jeroboam will bring about the re-unification of the Lost Ten Tribes (Joseph) with Judah. He will therefore rectify the sin of his ancestor by re-uniting with Judah. He will make good what his forefather had done wrong. We too if we want to, and try hard, can make good what our fathers and forefathers and we ourselves have done wrong in the past. We can build a better future for the sake of our peoples and for the sake of our children and their children after them. This is our duty.

The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in Jewish Tradition in later generations was taken to be a symbolic figure. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH was understood to represent an historical process in which the Jewish people would return to their land and rebuild themselves by natural means. Later the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID would appear and impart a spiritual dimension to the physical-material political structure that the process represented by the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH had prepared. This does not nullify the belief that the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is to be a real person. It merely supplements it. It adds to it. It helps us understand it. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH was to appear before the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. In some sources the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is called “The First Redeemer.” The “Second Redeemer” will be the Messiah son of David.

The Messiah son of Joseph will be the leader of the Lost Ten Tribes. He will be descended from Joseph. In a sense The Messiah son of Joseph may be understood to represent Joseph and the Lost Ten Tribes, as a collective body. By considering some of the deeds and actions of The Messiah son of Joseph we can gain further evidence as to who the descendants of Joseph are today. Some points concerning the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH that are to be found in the book “Kol HaTor” (“The Voice of the Turtledove” in Hebrew). This book is a collection of the sayings of a great and famous Rabbi (Eliyahu of Vilna) and his followers in the eighteenth century. The book deals with the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Rabbi Elyahu of Vilna is considered to have been one of the greatest Rabbis of all time. The ideas in this book “Kol HaTor” are all based on Biblical or related sources. Similar to Cyrus king of Persia “Kol HaTor” says [1.6.1] The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is similar to Cyrus the Persian Monarch who encouraged the Jews to return from the Babylonian Exile and rebuild the Temple. Cyrus, the King of Persia, in some respects may be considered a forerunner (or prototype) of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Verses associated with Cyrus (Isaiah 42) are actually to a degree applicable to the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will be revealed little by little.

The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in some sources is referred to as the “Messiah son [descendant] of Ephraim.” The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is associated with the saving of lives and the rescue of Israelites and in this he is assisted by Judah and by the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. By way of Comment: The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH, as we have seen, is connected with the ingathering of the exiles. America and Britain both in their own way in the past did helped the ingathering of the exiles of Judah to the Land of Israel. Our Prayers Are Needed “Kol HaTor” says [1.24] “With our deeds and prayers we shall come to the aid of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Through our exertions with all our might of self-arousal [arousal from below as distinct from arousal from heaven] we will achieve the union of the two messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, ‘the stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah’ [mentioned by Ezekiel 37]. [The two sticks will join together just as Judah and Joseph will join together].

[In Ezekiel 37:16, Ezekiel was told to take one stick, FOR JUDAH. Ezekeil was then told to take ANOTHER STICK, FOR JOSEPH. Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 37:17 to join the two sticks together. THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND. The two sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) were to first become one in the hand of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel 37:19 God says that the two sticks SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.] [Ezekiel says that] First the two sticks will become one in your hands and afterwards they will be one in my [God’s] hand.” [i.e. This means that: First Judah and Joseph should try to join together from below and afterwards God will help them from above]. On the same theme: “Kol HaTor” emphasizes The Two Sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) Must be Joined Together Through Our Initiative! [2.101] Ezekiel (37) speaks of the stick of Joseph [and Judah and the union of Judah with Joseph]. This concerns the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The Redemption is dependent on the union of the two sticks, the stick of Joseph with the stick of Judah. These are the two Messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. [It says: “Join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in your hand” (Ezekiel 37;17)].

At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become on in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God! Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17). The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself. “Kol HaTor” says [2.17] The guardian angel of Esau will be pulled down by the guardian angel of Joseph (This is also spoken about in the Biblical Book of Obadiah. We will discuss this subject and the Book of Obadiah. Expands Borders of Israel, Wars Against Amalek “Kol HaTor” says [2.36] “Enlarge the place of your tent and let them stretch forth the curtains of your habitations...” (Isaiah 54;2). The commandment to expand the borders [of Israel] is part of the task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH has the duty of waging war against Amalek and of expanding the borders of Israel and of protecting Israel from destruction.

Ingathers the Exiles “Kol HaTor” says [2.40] “His [i.e. Joseph’s] bow abode in strength” (Genesis 49;24). This should be an important principle for us. We have to stand obstinately strong in the holy work of gathering in the exiles which is the task of the first redeemer [i.e. of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]. Purifies the Land of Israel “Kol HaTor” says [2.41] “And Joseph was governor over the land” (Genesis 42;6). This means he will overcome all the forces of impurity. This is one of the great tasks of the First Redeemer [of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]: to extirpate the spirit of impurity from the country by means of settling the Holy Land. When the Holy Land is not settled [with Israelites] a spirit of impurity settles over it. [When the Holy Land is settled with Israelites the Land becomes pure]. Joshua ben Nun Was a Forerunner “Kol HaTor” says [2.44]



“Kol HaTor” says [2.75] The Messiah Son of Joseph arouses not only Israel but also the Peoples of the World to Repent. Jonah the Prophet had the aspect of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in his generation. His task is, “to rebuke many nations” (Isaiah 2). Turns Defeat Into Victory “Kol HaTor” says [2.91] The characteristic of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is that out of tribulation he brings salvation. The Heavenly Ladder “Kol HaTor” says [2.97] A ladder on the ground and its head reaching to heaven (Genesis 28). This is an aspect of Joseph as is known. What happened to Jacob happened to Joseph. All of his deeds were an arousal from below with an accompanying assistance from heaven. Joseph was the son of Jacob and Rachel and had the characteristics of both Jacob and Rachel. Ingathers Exiles, Rebuilds Jerusalem, Settles the Wilderness “Kol HaTor” says [2.117] The rulership of Joseph overcomes all impurity.

The task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is to remove the spirit of impurity from the Land through the ingathering of exiles, rebuilding Jerusalem, and the planting of the wilderness. Ransoming Captives “Kol HaTor” says [2.118] “And the ransomed of the LORD shall return and come to Zion” (Isaiah 35;10): The task of ransoming captives belongs to the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH who performs it by ingathering the Exiles…The Major Ingathering of the Exiles cannot be less than 600,000…They will come with rejoicing and happiness. Comment: “Kol HaTor” says The Major Ingathering of Exiles cannot be less than 600,000. 600,000 was taken to be a key number. It is interesting to note that when Israel declared its Independence in 1948 the total Jewish population in the Land at that time was a bit more than 600,000 which was the key number mentioned by “Kol HaTor” about two hundred years beforehand. Reveals Secrets of the Torah “Kol HaTor” says [122] “And Pharoah called Joseph’s name Zaphenat Paneah” [i.e. Uncover of Secrets] (Genesis 41;45). One of the tasks of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in each generation is to reveal the secrets of the Torah. Horns of a Unicorn “Kol HaTor” says [131] “His horns are the horns of a unicorn with which he strikes the peoples” (Deuteronomy 33). The main task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is the everlasting war against Amalek. Comment: The horns of a unicorn are linked with the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH.



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