Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

I only say what I say because scripture reveals it, but those who are promised blindness cant see it til the fullness of the gentiles..you play the part like nobody else could...insanely perfect..you do it without even realizing what you are doing...incredibly done. It’s like you have a script...lol. Judah is promised blindness and David is a member of the judah kingdom/family blindness..pretend you aren’t blind but if God will blind an entire nation/ kingdom/peoples...then take into consideration he will blind the representative of that nation/kingdom/peoples...there are 2 kingdoms...2 families.. 2 peoples and you only represent one of them the southern kingdom Judah...the other witness is the representative of the northern kingdom/ family/ peoples Jacob/Joseph/ephraim. David=Judah=blind til the fullness of the gentiles.....the other witness is representative Joseph of the other kingdom/ family / peoples..who are promised not to be blind but also to be able to see their brother before his brother Judah can see Joseph so you have been told it is up to you to regard it or ignore it...but I know who is who and you will also in the end as it is written in the volume of the book and will come to pass...as it is written so shall it be. Wake up friend you see no partner which makes you a judah not a joseph..a joseph can see a judah...you take 2 anointed and absorb them into 1 anointed(example zerubbabel and Joshua the 2 anointed become 1 anointed instead of 2 anointed)...you are a judah if you do that ...and you do that...ding ding ding...we have a judah..wake up already...lol




P.S

You keep giving me red I’m gonna think you don’t like me...lol...don’t worry you will in the end...and again you just can’t see it yet because you are judah not joseph...lol










messiah Ben Joseph:



What does an Elijah do? He brings in a new age....John the baptist( Elijah) brought in the age of grace...the final Elijah restores the davidic/levitic age.

Matthew 17:11

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elijah truly shall come first and restore all things.







You make it hard to believe what you say when you don’t understand the following things...not to mention that you are promised blindness in part until the fullness of the gentiles and that fullness has not come in yet:

1. One witness is David and is the king of the world

2. The other witness is Joseph and has the birthright which qualifies him to be high priest on earth

3. Firstborn gets the sceptre...2nd born gets the birthright...Judah/David gets the sceptre....Joseph 2nd born gets the birthright

3. Jesus won’t be on earth during the millennium so that people still have to have faith in Jesus for redemption. The animal sacrifice is commanded to be reinstated by God in Ezekiel as the shekinah glory will once again fill the temple and the high priest will have his priestly duties/ dominion...just as David will have his kingly duties/ dominion.

4. The age of grace comes to an end and the levitic and davidic kingdom will be reinstated to fulfill covenant. It’s right there in Jeremiah and Ezekiel read it.

5. David the king can’t be the high priest in a davidic/ levitic kingdom..that is the number one rule of a davidic/ levitic kingdom..therefore David isn’t the prince of Ezekiel 46. Joseph is that prince as Joseph is the high priest and the one offering the sacrifices. It states this prince has sons he can give gifts to that are permanent gifts...only Joseph had two sons that were tribes ephraim and Manasseh( Ezekiel 46:16) many more people getting blessed if this prince is Joseph over it being David as Joseph has tens of thousands of sons compared to David who wouldn’t have that many sons...can you see how this makes more sense than David having a few sons he can give gifts to? Probably not right now...but I tried....lol

I noticed one of your posts you think I’m jealous of you. At one point when I was in my 10 year spiritual prison of course I was jealous of you as I thought I had zero chance at redemption and you received everything....who wouldn’t be jealous in that situation? Also an ephraim is written in as having to be jealous of Judah at some point but at some point ephraim loses that envy...when ephraim realizes who he is...ephraim is the birthright holder and has incredible blessings as the double portion birthright holder.
Isaiah 11:13:

Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.( ephraim has got passed the envy...now if we can get judah to do his part...lol)..Joseph comes down through the line of ephraim therefore is referred to as ephraim...also a 2 Nd born birthright holder.


But after the 10 years in the spiritual prison with no hope for redemption ended my eyes were opened and I could see what was yours and what was mine and now I wouldn’t trade places with you for anything I would much rather have my position than yours



P.S you make Elijah out to be some super hero when he comes....Elijah will be pre-furnace of affliction and will still need a lot of work. Elijah’s job will be to warn the house of ephraim judgement is coming and prepare the bride as the bride isn’t appointed to wrath and Elijah is the last sign before judgement arrives. When the bride sees Elijah arrive they will know their redemption is nigh at hand.



Here is some Dead Sea scrolls but it probably doesn’t interest you as the two offices are divided between the two anointed

They are not equal counter-parts: the Priest-Messiah has precedence over the Davidic Messiah in all legal matters: ‘As they teach him so shall he judge’.





You are clearly still blind if you can't read there are two anointed one a priest and the other the prince/king(king of the world and prince of Jesus) in these dead sea scroll writings.


They are not equal counter-parts: the Priest-Messiah has precedence over the Davidic Messiah in all legal matters: ‘As they teach him so shall he judge’.




There it is the priest which is the teacher of righteousness and the prince/king which is the prince of the congregation....and they are collegues


There is one that is raised up in the end days know as "The Teacher of Righteousness", whether it be an office or a title we do not know, but he will raise up in these last days!!:

Less than 50%:

The Teacher of Righteousness and the End of Days

Sarah Klitenic

Introduction: Purpose and Methods

The Exhortation that begins the Damascus Document of the Dead Sea Scrolls prefaces the theology of the Qumran community. Namely, it explains how God leaves the Temple and sends the Babylonians to punish those who have polluted the Sanctuary and abandoned the Temple. However, God leaves a remnant who will one day return to the land of Israel once the people learn to correctly follow Mosaic Law. But the true mark of God’s benevolence is in the guide he sends: "And God observed their deeds, that they sought Him with a whole heart, and He raised for them a Teacher of Righteousness to guide them in the way of his heart."1 Here, God raises this Teacher from the remnant of Israel and makes him a guide for the people. For the Teacher must not only guide the remnant through the desert, but he must show it the path of Righteousness to bring about the end of days: the end of days comes with proper ordering of society and return of Israel to her rightful descendants. But who is this Teacher of Righteousness? He is a prophet with God-given ability to interpret the Law. In this paper, I will try to provide a basic description of the Teacher by looking at references to him in the Scrolls and by paying close attention to the Pesherim and Hodayot. I will then explore the nature of his apocalypticism. I hope that by progressing in this manner I will shed light on the nature of this elusive character, the Teacher of Righteousness.

References to the Teacher in the Dead Sea Scrolls

As E.P. Sanders begins his quest for the historical Jesus,2 he explains that the best place to begin is with the facts. Likewise, as we try to understand the Teacher of Righteousness (T of R), it is preferable to begin with what we know about the Teacher from the Dead Sea Scrolls themselves. Authors of the scrolls know the Teacher as Teacher, Teacher of the Community, Teacher of Righteousness,3 Interpreter, Interpreter of the Law,4 Priest,5 The Priest.6 He is never explicitly referred to as prophet, but descriptions, context, and tradition lead one to believe that the Teacher is in fact a prophet. The Damascus Document (CD), the Commentary on Micah, the Commentary on Habakkuk, and the Commentary on Psalms use the titles Teacher, Teacher of the Community, and Teacher of Righteousness. From such passages, we learn that the Teacher is the founder of the community7 and that the present generation of the community looks to him as an historical authority. In all of these references, the Teacher, Teacher of the Community, and Teacher of Righteousness is a figure divinely chosen to expound the Law and set Community members on the righteous path for the end of days.8 His words help prepare for the end:

Who have listened to the voice of the Teacher of Righteousness and have not despised the precepts of righteousness when they heard them; they shall rejoice and their hearts shall be strong, and they shall prevail over all the sons of the earth. God will forgive them and they shall see His salvation because they took refuge in His holy name. (CD XIII, 30-5)

Here, the Teacher of Righteousness is one who dispels the ‘precepts of righteousness’ which one must follow in order to reach salvation. God speaks through the Teacher so that those listening to the Teacher follow God’s words and receive His salvation. Moreover, the Teacher speaks God’s words when he interprets divine scripture; the DSS knows the Teacher as ‘Interpreter of the Law’ in documents such as The Community Rule, the Damascus Document, the Commentary on Habakkuk, and Midrash on the Last Days. The fact that the Teacher is the authority on the Law reflects his role in the community because the Law is pivotal to the Community. In the Thanksgiving Hymns, for instance, the Teacher refers to himself as having the waters of the Covenant confirmed in his heart for those who seek it, for God has ‘hidden Thy Law [within (him)].’9 In this passage, the Teacher of Righteousness not only knows the Law, but his knowledge of the Law is given to him by God. As in Numbers 12:6-8 when Moses receives the Law mouth to mouth from God, the Teacher also receives the law from the mouth of God in 1 Qp Hab II 2-3. The community respects the T of R’s legal understanding and uses his interpretations for redemption:

But all those who hold fast to these precepts and coming in accordance with the Law, who heed the voice of the Teacher and confess before God, saying, ‘Truly we have sinned... by walking counter to the precepts of the covenant’...; they shall rejoice and their hearts shall be strong. (CD 28-30)

Here, members of the CD Community that listen to the T of R and follow his teachings will rejoice in the eschaton. Lastly, the teacher is referred to explicitly as a priest in the pesher on Ps 37:23-24. These references to the Teacher in the DSS as a Teacher of Righteousness, an Interpreter of the Law, and a Priest paint the most general, most undeniable portrait of the Teacher.

Pesherim: Interpretations of the Law

The pesherim10 are interpretations of written prophetic texts that can be understood as ‘unraveling of mysteries.’11 J. Carmignac broke the pesherim into two categories: continuous, which interpret a single book section by section, and thematic, which consist of certain citations grouped around a thematic idea.12 Both of these forms of pesherim are characterized by raz, a term taken from the notion of the ancient prophets being introduced in their visions into the heavenly assembly of special knowledge.13 However, the pesherim take the idea of divine prophetic revelation a step further, because they claim to contain the mystery of things hidden even to the prophets themselves who wrote the words now interpreted. Horgan points to 1 QpHab 7:4-5 as an example of this:

and God told Habakkuk to write down that which would happen to the final generation, but He did not make known to him when time would come to an end. And as for that which He said, That he who reads may read it speedily: interpreted this concerns the Teacher of Righteousness, to whom God made known all the mysteries of the words of His servants the Prophets.

In this pesher, the Teacher understands what is to come because God allows him to unravel the mystery of Habakkuk’s prophecy; namely that within the words, God buries his plans for the founding of the community, the rise of the Teacher, and the end of days. Once God gives the Teacher prophetic understanding, the Teacher unravels the mystery in scripture and he uses that new knowledge to create rules which will regulate the Community. In this manner, the entire Community order, every rule, every hierarchical position, is governed by the Teacher’s interpretation of scripture in anticipation for the end of days.

Moreover, because the Teacher is the Interpreter of the Law, the pesherim provide additional insight into the Teacher. That is, these pesherim are the Teacher’s mode of divine revelation via interpretation of scripture. By carefully examining how the Teacher interprets scripture, one can learn even more about the figure. For instance, in the Commentary on Habakkuk:

[Behold the nations and see, marvel and be astonished; for I accomplish a deed in your days, but you will not believe it when] told. They, the men of violence and the breakers of the Covenant, will not believe when they hear all that [is to happen to] the final generation from the Priest [in whose heart] God set [understanding] that he might interpret all the words of His servants the Prophets, through whom He foretold all that would happen to his people and [His land]. (1QpHab II, 5-10)

In the passage, the Teacher is a priest who has the divine power to interpret Scripture, namely the Prophetic Books. Moreover, the Teacher prefers the Prophets because God imparted them with the knowledge of what is to come in the generation of the Teacher. The Teacher is given knowledge by God to understand these prophets so he can likewise teach the people righteousness and prevent their destruction at the end of days. This passage reveals much about the Community’s theology of prophecy. The Teacher was chosen long ago by God to prepare the remnant for the end of days; the prophets were likewise sent generations ago to prepare for this event.14 When the Teacher interprets the Law, he is more similar to the biblical Prophets in his mode of revelation than a scribe or a midrashic rabbi. Unlike the rabbis, the Teacher does not rely on the peshat or derash. His interpretations are more than mere allegories of text, but at the same time, they are not visions as the ancient prophets experienced them. Additionally, the Teacher is different from other exegetes because he does not merely apply scripture to his situation, but rather claims that scripture is written with him in mind. Based on the manner in which he interprets scripture, we can generalize that the Teacher is similar to the prophets, but also unique in his own right.

Claims of authorship

Just as one could learn about the Interpreter of the Law by reading the pesherim, one can learn about the Teacher by reading passages he supposedly wrote. Scholars believe that portions of the Hodayot (Thanksgiving Psalms) are actually written by the Teacher. Being able to identify material written by the Teacher is valuable because it tells us how the Teacher saw himself, his mission, and his relationship to the community and God. In this section of the paper, I will first discuss scholarship concerning the Teacher’s authorship of the Hodayot and then I will analyze various passages from the Thanksgiving Hymns. By examining the Hodayot, it seems that the material most filled with historical specifics and most charged with human emotion is likely to have been written by the Teacher. Additionally, scholars also claim that other scrolls were written by the Teacher. Recently, for example, the Temple Scroll (TS) has garnered attention as having been written by the Teacher. However, there are a number of reasons why TS cannot be the product of the Teacher. By first exploring why select Hodayot must have been written by the Teacher and then discussing why the Temple Scroll cannot possibly be the work of the Teacher, I hope to shed light on the Teacher and his role in the Scrolls.

The Hodayot

Among German scholars, there are three basic theories regarding authorship of the Hodayot: 1. the text is a literary unity and was written by the Teacher of Righteousness, 2. the text is not a unity and was written by anonymous authors. 3. the text is not a unity but within the Hodayot there is a core of hymns that were written by the Teacher of Righteousness.15 The first claim, although popular in the early days of Hodayot scholarship, has become less popular in recent years. It explains that the author of the entire scroll was the Teacher of Righteousness.16 Such an account, however, does not explain stylistic, linguistic, and content differences between hymns. The second theory, that the text is not a unity and is written by anonymous authors, has support from those believing that the works could have been written by the Teacher of Righteousness’ disciples.17 Moreover, the linguistic character of these hymns dictates that they could only have been written by one disciple modeling himself after the Teacher of Righteousness, rather than many disciples. The third theory is more widely recognized. It says that the text is not a unity, and that within the Hodayot there is a core of hymns written by the Teacher of Righteousness.

This third theory of German scholarship seems the most plausible because it best appreciates the stylistic features of the hymns. By examining stylistic features such as use of the first person pronoun, content, and linguistic uniformity, three German scholars derived a criteria that distinguishes hymns written by the Teacher from those written by the community at a later date. Gert Jeremias, Jurgen Becker, and Heinz-Wolfgang Kuhn18 individually note the following: that in many of the hymns, the use of ‘I’ speaks passionately about personal experiences; that these hymns often deal with individual accounts of dire need or use the motif of the mediator of revelation;19 and that these hymns are historical and specific, rather than theological and general, with regard to language. These scholars then designated such hymns as written by the Teacher of Righteousness himself; they are ‘Teacher hymns’ as opposed to Community hymns or didactic hymns. But such an explanation cries out for an example. Take the following passage:

They have banished me from my land
like a bird from its nest;
all my friends and brethren are driven far from me
and hold me for a broken vessel.

And they, teachers of lies and seers of falsehood,
have schemed against me a devilish scheme,
to exchange the Law engraved on my heart by Thee
for the smooth things (which they speak) to Thy people.
And they withhold from the thirsty the drink of Knowledge, and assuage their thirst with vinegar,
that they may gaze on their straying,
on their folly concerning feast-days,
on their fall into their snares.
(1 QH IV, 7-12)

Jeremias, Becker, and Kuhn agree that this wrathful passage must have been written by the Teacher of Righteousness. By reading this passage line by line, we can better understand the Gottingen criteria.

In the above passage, the author prominently uses certain vocabulary, syntax, and content to show how he is set apart from the others both literally, by his unjust banishment, and metaphorically, by his God-given knowledge. Here, the Teacher’s use of the first person pronoun stands opposite the third person pronoun: ‘They have banished me from my land.’ By speaking in the first person, the Teacher’s account of the injustices he suffers become personal and moving. Regardless of whether we are able to accurately name that third party, there is nothing general about this verse: the Teacher clearly blames a group of people for his woes. Moreover, a few lines down, he refers to ‘they’ in more specific language: they are ‘teachers of lies and seers of falsehood.’ From this line, the reader learns more about who ‘they’ are and the reader also learns more about the identity of the Teacher. In contrast to ‘teachers of lies and seers of falsehood’, the Teacher is a teacher of truth and a seer of righteousness. The Teacher’s truth, which is ‘engraved on his heart’ by God, is emphasized by the fact that those who are able to receive knowledge do so by drinking it. The reader also learns about the concerns of the Teacher from his final charge against the teachers of lies: the author of the hymn worries about the timing of the feasts.20 For the following reasons, this passage fulfills the description of the typical Teacher hymn as set out by Jeremias, Becker, and Kuhn: 1. the Teacher uses the first person to relay his personal situation; 2. the Teacher, who is set apart because God engraved truth in his heart, is full of woe; 3. the Teacher uses specifics, such as his calendar concerns, that do not speak to the general problems of mankind. Because this hymn is so personal, so moving, and so specific, it does not seem likely that it could have been written by anyone other than the Teacher.21 Moreover, once we recognize the components of this hymn as characteristic of the Teacher, we get a better sense of his agenda and how he views himself. Based on the facts of the hymn, God grants the Teacher divine understanding of the Law for the imparting of this Law to those ‘thirsty’ for righteousness.

The Temple Scroll

Although scholars are the most confident concerning the authorship of the Hodayot, some wrongly attribute the Temple Scroll to the Teacher. They claim that the TS, like Deuteronomy, gives a description of God’s covenant with Israel. 22 There are two main claims that attempt to show that the Teacher wrote the TS: 1. Other documents in the Scrolls regard the Temple Scroll as Law and the Teacher of Righteousness as the Lawgiver. The Teacher of Righteousness can be compared to Moses as the author of the Law for a sectarian community. Hence, some suggest that the Teacher of Righteousness must be the author of the TS. 2. The Teacher is the most eminent figure in the DSS; only he is important enough to have written the Law. Both these reasons are defeated once one realizes that the Teacher is not the Lawgiver, but rather the Interpreter of the Law. Instead of creating his own law, the Teacher uses his divine power to understand biblical scripture. Furthermore, the Temple Scroll cannot be the law for the end of days because its edicts are not written for a righteous audience. The fact that the Teacher is not the author of the Temple Scroll makes it easier to understand how the Teacher does not write the Law for the end of days, but that another figure is to come.

Some wrongly claim that the Teacher is the author of TS because they misunderstand the relationship between the Teacher and the Law.23 Namely, throughout the Scrolls, the T of R is referred to as ‘the Interpreter of the Law’ and the TS is commonly referred to as the Law. However, the previous section explains that the Teacher interprets the Law, rather than writes a new Law, because of the pre-eminence of the Mosaic Law in the scrolls. Only by properly understanding the Mosaic Law can the Community help bring about the end of days. Moreover, some scholars argue that the TS is a an eschatological law. They primarily use the description of measurements for a Temple in (TS XXX-XVII) and claim that based on its size, the Temple in TS is eschatological. However, the Temple is possibly utopian rather than eschatological. Based on a comparison to the Temple in the Florilegium, it seems that the eschatological temple is one that God will create on ‘the day of creation.’24 Also, it is apparent from the nature of many laws, including laws on adultery and rape, that the TS is not meant for the end of days .25 Based on the textual evidence, the Teacher cannot be the author of the TS, the New Torah; instead, the Teacher creates guidelines for a way of living from the interpretation of the Torah. He explains the Law to help order society and prepare for the end of days. He himself is not the fulfillment of eschatological expectations.

Who is the Teacher of Righteousness?

Difficulties arise when one tries to describe the Teacher of Righteousness; however, the complexity that most affects the description deals with whether to place the figure in the past or in the future. Many point to this ambiguity in a midrash of Num 21:18 that is in the Damascus Document.26 Unlike other passages in the same document, the figure mentioned here is in the future.

The well is the Law, and those who dug it were the converts of Israel who went out of the land of Judah to sojourn in the land of Damascus....The Staff is the Interpreter of the Law of whom Isaiah said, He makes a tool for His work; and the nobles of the peoples are those who come to dig the well with the staffs with which the staff ordained that they should walk in all age of wickedness- and without them they shall find nothing- until he comes who shall teach righteousness at the end of days. (CD, VI)

Here, confusion arises because the titles ‘Interpreter of the Law’ and ‘Teacher of Righteousness’ are interchangeable.27 The Teacher must have a role in both the past and the future: he is a figure of the community’s past as its founder and writer of its law. But, the law he writes is pertinent to the eschaton, for by following this law as divinely interpreted by the Teacher, community members can bring about the endtime. This ‘dual’ nature of the Teacher, however, should not be overexaggerated. The Teacher himself is in no way a messianic figure. He will not return at the endtime, but he does anticipate the arrival of his eschatological counterpart.28 It should also be made clear in the initial stages of this inquiry what the Teacher of Righteousness is not: he is not John the Baptist, he is not Jesus Christ, and we cannot attribute a specific, personal name to him.29 But, the reader can paint a general portrait of the Teacher. Based on the way the Teacher interprets the Law in the Pesherim and the way he describes his experiences in the Hodayot, it seems that he is priest who writes divinely inspired interpretations of the Law. He is a figure in the past who prepares his community for the imminent end.

The Teacher as the Community’s Founder

The passage mentioned earlier offers several assumptions about the historical Teacher:

The well is the Law, and those who dug it were converts of Israel who went out of the land of Judah to sojourn in the land of Damascus...The Staff is the Interpreter of the Law of whom Isaiah said, He makes a tool for His work.... (CD, VI)

This offers possibilities for the identity of the Teacher by putting the Teacher in the context of his own Community. Here, it can be assumed that the founding of the Community has a great deal to do with the Law itself; the founders left Judah and went into Damascus for this "well," the Law. The metaphor of the well as the Law is powerful: the well offers essential water that cannot be found in Judah. Ironically, the water is found in the desert. Of further irony is that even though the converts themselves dig this well in Damascus, they are still not able to find the well, the Law. Only the Staff, the Interpreter of the Law, finds the water. We now have a full picture of the Teacher: the Teacher helps found a community that left Judah because the Law is not able to ‘exist’ there. The Teacher interprets the Law for the community, thus making it ‘drinkable.’ Here, the reader is offered a number of roles for the Teacher. In this section, I will build on this portrait. I will explain how the Teacher and the community see the Teacher as a priest and a prophet who experiences revelation in the mode of divine interpretation of Law.

Teacher as Priest

The evidence clearly shows that the T of R is a priest: this is explicit in textual evidence and suggested contextually based on the T of R’s concerns. For instance, in the pesher on Ps 37:23-24 (4QpPs 1-10 iii 15):

The steps of the man are confirmed by the Lord and He delights in all his ways; though [he stumbles, he shall not fall, for the Lord shall support his hand] (23-4). Interpreted, this concerns the Priest, the Teacher [of Righteousness] whom God chose to stand before Him, for He established him to build for Himself the congregation of...

Here, the Teacher is a priest who establishes the Community based on the will of God: the priest is chosen by God. As a priest, the Teacher is concerned with purity and the proper ordering of the Temple. Moreover, he behaves as a priest when the reader sees him on a more personal level. This is evident throughout the Thanksgiving Hymns, many of which can be typed as introspective confessions in the style of the priest-prophet Jeremiah. It is also clear that the Teacher is a priest based on the way priests are regarded throughout the Dead Sea Scrolls. Members of the Council of the Community (the elect of Israel) are known as sons of Zadok, the Priests; the Law of Moses has been revealed to these men.30 God raises these priests and they will be called by name at the end of days.31 The priests act as God’s counsel, so that ‘the man who does not listen but acts arrogantly without obeying the priest who is posted there to minister before [God]...that man shall die.’32 Clearly, the priests are the authority in the community. It is then logical to assume that the Teacher, as the eminent authority figure who most probably wrote this passage, would also be a priest. Although this piece of information helps the reader better understand the Teacher, it begs the question: how is the Teacher different from the other priests in the community? The next section addresses just that point.

High Priest?

The question has also been raised as to whether the Teacher was the High Priest of the Temple before escaping into the desert. On this question, scholars point to historical reconstruction and passages discussing the Teacher’s struggle with the Wicked Priest . Indirect evidence here leads many to conclude that the Teacher is a High Priest and that the Scrolls are primarily concerned with restoring a legitimate priest. However, this evidence is not conclusive. Based on the text, it is more reasonable to say that the Teacher struggles with the High Priest over purity rules, rather than for a power position or restoration of a ‘legitimate’ High Priest. More likely, the T of R was at one time a prophet in the Temple who was not popular with Temple authority because of his views on contentious issues of the day; this authority most likely drove him into exile. The Teacher thus laments over the Temple because Temple authorities do not follow the purity laws as dictated by God through Moses.

By reconstructing a seven year gap in history, some attempt to show how the Teacher could have been the designated high priest until his exile. After the High Priest Alkimos dies in 159 B.C, no High Priest has been attested in literature of the period as having taken his place.33 Josephus,34 however, explains that an intersacerdotium lasted seven years until Jonathan usurped power in 152 B.C. Because a High Priest is necessary to lead Yom Kippur Services, someone must have filled the role of High Priest, at least temporarily.35 J. Murphy-O’Connor speculates that his man may have introduced unpopular reforms so that when his position is usurped by Jonathan in 152, he is driven into the desert where he goes only by the title ‘Teacher of Righteousness’ so as not to draw attention to his identity.36 Murphy-O’Connor argues that the pesherim promise a High Priest from the Davidic line because the Teacher criticizes Jonathan with being an ‘illegitimate’ priest. Scholars believing that the Teacher is the High Priest, then, wrongly argue that the major debate between the sect and Jerusalem is over the High Priesthood.

The argument explaining why the Teacher was at one point High Priest of the Temple is based on speculation after speculation; it is historically implausible and it misunderstands the Teacher’s message. A better understanding of the Teacher can be achieved through the Scrolls. For instance, 1 QpHab 11:4-8 describes how the Wicked Priest pursues the Teacher to his place of exile and then attempts to disrupt his Day of Atonement. Of note, this passage shows that the Wicked Priest and the Teacher observe different calendars. It is unlikely that the Teacher was the High Priest if he was observing his own cultic calendar, because he would not have switched calendars in Qumran and Jonathan would not have introduced a new calendar in 152 BC.37 Moreover, there is no evidence in the text even to support that the Wicked Priest is not legitimate. The Teacher, however, repeatedly shows concerns over other issues of impurity. Notably, the Teacher names three types of impurity that profane the land: fornication, riches, and profanation of the Temple. Included among those things that profane the Temple are menstrual blood, incestuous relationships, and a breach of the Mosaic Covenant.38 It seems that the legitimacy of the priesthood is not one of the contentious issues between the sect and Jerusalem. Rather, the issues in the sectarian community are purity as understood by Mosaic Law. More likely, the relationship between the T of R and the Wicked Priest is that of Temple prophet, with a large following, exiled by the High Priest because of his unpopular views. This charismatic figure blames the Wicked Priest for polluting the Temple through the priest’s inappropriate behavior. In 1 QpHab 12:1-10, the Wicked Priest plots the destruction of the poor, commits abominable deeds, and defiles the Temple. Rather than planning an insurrection or attempt to overthrow the High Priest, the T of R condemns the Wicked Priest to an eschatological punishment. In this manner, the T of R fits the model of a prophet acting outside of the court.

Teacher as Prophet

Although the Teacher does not share many of the traits that the ancient prophets hold in common, he is clearly a prophet; his visions can be understood as a correct understanding or ordering of words through divine revelation of scripture. In this sense, the Teacher sees more. On the most basic level, the Teacher is unlike the other prophets because he does not have visions that come in the form of dream-like scenes—he is not a seer with a ‘third eye.’ However, a deeper understanding of the meaning of prophecy shows that the Teacher is similar to the biblical prophets. Otto Betz compares the Teacher’s divine revelation of scripture to Daniel’s interpretation of dreams and concludes that pesher and apocalypse are quite similar.39 Moreover, Betz notes that both the Teacher and Daniel use the term raz to help describe the mystery of their interpretations. A clear parallel can be seen when Daniel interprets the writings on the wall at Belshazzar’s feast.40 Here, only Daniel is able to interpret the writings of a supernatural author. Moreover, he dissects the inscription so as to give an interpretation based on each word, similar to the Teacher’s manner of interpreting the prophets.

The Teacher is similar to the other prophets both in his manner of interpretation and the reasons behind his revelation. In the following passage, the Teacher is similar to the prophets in a number of ways:

And they, teachers of lies and seers of falsehood,
have schemed against me a devilish scheme,
to exchange the Law engraved on my hear to Thee
for the smooth things (which they speak) to Thy people.
And they withhold from the thirsty the drink of Knowledge, and assuage their thirst with vinegar...
(1 QH IV, 8-10)

Like the Staff, the Teacher is needed by those thirsty for knowledge. In this passage, we also see that the Teacher’s righteousness is not fully human; because the Law is engraved on his heart by God, his interpretation of the Law is a divine interpretation.41 God has given the Teacher the power to ‘interpret all the words of his servants the prophets’42 and then God feeds the Teacher His words by which to prophesy.43 Here, the relationship between God and the Teacher is inextricably close; like the prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel, the Teacher cannot escape his righteousness, despite the distress it causes him.44 Moreover, the Teacher is similar to the other prophets in his impetus for making the interpretations. Like Amos, Ezekiel, and Daniel, the Teacher writes at a time of serious social turmoil. He attempts to solve this turmoil by urging a new world order.

The Teacher’s Role in the End of Days

When the question concerning the identity of the Teacher of Righteousness was initially asked, the following passage was used as an example:

The nobles of the peoples are those who come to dig the well with staffs with which the staff ordained that they should walk in all age of wickedness- and without them they shall find nothing- until he comes who shall teach righteousness at the end of days. (CD, VI)

The eschaton cannot take place until there is a proper ordering of Society in the World:45 namely, Jerusalem must be the religious capital of the world (Isaiah 7, 9, 11); Temple Worship must be correct; Israel must not be dominated by foreign oppressors; and society must have just ownership of land.46 Evidence throughout this paper seems to show that the Teacher of Righteousness extracts principles to regulate the Community as God aids him in interpreting scripture. Through these regulations, a proper order is established and the eschaton is realized.

But, the Teacher of Righteousness does not take part in the end of days himself. Instead, he prepares the way for the eschatological messiahs. He sets the standard for interpretation of scripture which the Priestly Messiah, who takes the Teacher’s place in interpretation of the Law, relies on at the end of days. The following passage will first help the reader understand the messianic expectation of the community:

The king is the congregation; and the bases of the statutes are the Books of the Prophets whose saying Israel despised. The star is the Interpreter of the Law who shall come to Damascus; as it is written, A star shall come forth out of Jacob and a scepter shall rise out of Israel (Num xxiv, 17). The scepter is the Prince of the whole congregation and when he comes he shall smite all the children of Seth (Num. xxiv, 17). [CD VII, 15-20]

Here, two messiahs emerge at the end of days: the Interpreter of the law, or Priest-Messiah, and the Prince of the whole congregation, the Davidic Messiah.47 These figures are also referred to throughout the DSS as the messiahs of Aaron and Israel. They are not equal counter-parts: the Priest-Messiah has precedence over the Davidic Messiah in all legal matters: ‘As they teach him so shall he judge’.48 This precedence can be seen in passages from the community rule; ‘When the table has been prepared for eating, and the new wine for drinking, the Priest shall be the first to stretch out his hand to bless the first-fruits of the bread and new wine.’49

Here, the Messiah of Aaron takes precedence because he is the eschatological high priest who teaches righteousness at the end of days.50 Although the Prince of the Congregation presides over the battle liturgy (1 QM XV, 4; XVI, 13; XVIII) and the eschatological banquet (1 QSa II, 12-21),51 the Messiah of Aaron is more important for understanding the Teacher of Righteousness because he is the one who continues the Teacher’s message. The arrival of the Messiahs Aaron and Israel marks the eschatological turning point; once they arrive, the Messiah of Aaron interprets the Law.52 His legacy in the community is the basic interpretation of the Law that functions at the end of days.

Is the Teacher an Apocalyptic Figure?

An analysis of all the literature that has ever been regarded as ‘apocalyptic’ was printed in Semeia 14 to show the extent and limits of the category ‘apocalyptic literature.’53 The following features were identified as common to apocalypses: a narrative framework that describes the revelation; the main means of revelation as visions and otherworldly visions; presence of an angel who interprets the vision; disclosure of a transcendent reality which is temporal (eschatological salvation); transcendent reality which is spatial (involves another, supernatural world).54 Based on these criteria, it would appear that the Teacher does not write apocalypses. That is, the T of R is not a visionary.55 Unlike many figures in apocalypses, he does not resort to using a pseudonym. Such a phenomenon can be explained based on the charismatic nature of the Teacher: the Teacher is able to rest on his own authority. Also, the Teacher bases his interpretations on older scripture which gives htotal idiot spammerer authority. Rather than an apocalypse, it may be more accurate to say that the Qumran community is apocalyptic. According to John Collins in ‘The Apocalyptic Genre,’ Qumran fits the criteria for apocalypticism as the ideology of a movement: it shares the conceptual framework of the genre and endorses a world view in which supernatural revelation, the heavenly world, and eschatological judgement play essential parts.

Summary and Conclusion

Although we cannot say a great deal concerning the Teacher of Righteousness in the Dead Sea Scrolls, we are able to paint a general portrait of this Teacher. Based on references to the Teacher throughout the Scrolls, we learn that he is a priest and the interpreter of the Law. Moreover, by reading the pesherim, or interpretations of the Law, and the Hodayot actually written by the Teacher, it becomes clear that the Teacher is a prophet whose mode of revelation is divine interpretation of scripture. Within this mold, the Teacher has a role in both the Community’s past and future: he is a figure of the Community’s past as its founder, but his interpretation of the Law helps order society in anticipation for the two Messiahs and the eschaton.











every rule, every hierarchical position, is governed by the Teacher’s interpretation of scripture in anticipation for the end of days....his interpretation of scripture is correct regardless of anybody elses opinion!



...what does every rule and every hierarchical postion mean...lol...I guess it means what he says is what goes...lol




the Teacher of Righteousness does not take part in the end of days himself. Instead, he prepares the way for the eschatological messiahs. He sets the standard for interpretation of scripture which the Priestly Messiah, who takes the Teacher’s place in interpretation of the Law, relies on at the end of days.




Here, two messiahs emerge at the end of days: the Interpreter of the law, or Priest-Messiah, and the Prince of the whole congregation, the Davidic Messiah









In the Qumran texts themselves a parallel to the past and future Teacher of Righteousness is provided by the past and future Expounder of the Law (doresh ha-Torah). The "Staff" (meḥokek) in the Song of the Well is "the Expounder of the Law" who ordained the rules by which the men of the covenant live (CD 6:7); he is conceivably identical with the Teacher of Righteousness who organized the community. Later in the Zadokite Admonition the "star" of Amos 5:26 and (more especially) Numbers 24:17 is "the Expounder of the Law [doresh ha-Torah] who is to come to Damascus" (CD 7:18ff.). This coming Expounder of the Law is mentioned also in 4Q Florilegium, in an interpretation of II Samuel 7:11–14. In both of these passages he is to be accompanied by the Davidic Messiah, called "the prince of all the congregation" in CD 7:20 and "the shoot of David" in 4Q Florilegium. Since Torah is to be sought from the priest's lips (Mal. 2:7), this coming Expounder of the Law may be the great priest of the new age who will act as colleague to the great king; he may also be tentatively identified with the Teacher of Righteousness who is to stand up in the latter days (CD 6:11).
-Heed the warning or endure the mourning
Favor ain't fair






































































you see Joseph and Judah are supposed to try to join on their own and it's not supposed work out to show only God can join these two...and I believe we are right on schedule with that...lol











Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning [of the End Times] there would arise a Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] from the house of Joseph who will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be gathered together under his banner. This will continue until later on, a descendant of David will appear and he will reign over them....
A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through the agency of a Prophet and by miracles.
The Commentary of "Malbim" on Ezekiel 37:15


The story of Joseph in the Bible is an historical account of what really did happen to Joseph, the ancestor of people in Britain and America, as well as other areas. The story of Joseph, in addition to being an historical account of what happened to a particular person named Joseph, is also symbolic of what will happen to his descendants. In Rabbinical tradition we have the concept of the “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), who will be a DESCENDANT OF JOSEPH. “Mashiach ben Yoseph” also represents the actions of the descendants of Joseph in the Last Days and the times leading up to these last days. In Jewish tradition there will be two Messiahs: “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), and “Mashiach ben David” (Messiah, son of David).

The Two Messiahs

The concept of the Messiah is derived from the definition of “Mashiach.” “Mashiach” means “anointed one” in Hebrew. A person could be anointed in order to be consecrated for a special purpose. For instance, in times of war a special priest was “anointed” to declare before the Israelite soldiers their God-ordained duty to fight bravely (Deuteronomy 19;2-4). The kings were ALSO anointed. The idea of an anointed savior, of a “Mashiah” i.e. Messiah, is contained in the Prophets. The “Messiah” was to be descended from King David. He was to be the “Messiah, son of David.” In addition to the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, a tradition existed that there would also be a “Messiah, son of Joseph” who would come shortly before the “Messiah, son of David.” The MESSIAH, SON OF JOSEPH was to be a descendant of Joseph, from the Tribe of Ephraim. According to the Biblical Commentary known as the Malbim (1809-1879), the MESSIAH, SON OF JOSEPH, was to head the Lost Ten Tribes in the latter days in the period leading up to the return of the Lost Ten Tribes and their eventual re-unification with Judah. The full name of the MALBIM was Meir Leib ben Yechiel Michael [Weiser], but he is called “MALBIM” for short. He lived in 1809-1879 CE. The Malbim comments on Ezekiel 37:
THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME AGAIN UNTO ME, SAYING, MOREOVER, THOU SON OF MAN, TAKE THEE ONE STICK, AND WRITE UPON IT, FOR JUDAH, AND FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HIS COMPANIONS:

THEN TAKE ANOTHER STICK, AND WRITE UPON IT, FOR JOSEPH, THE STICK OF EPHRAIM AND FOR ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL HIS COMPANIONS:

AND JOIN THEM ONE TO ANOTHER INTO ONE STICK; AND THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND.


AND WHEN THE CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE SHALL SPEAK UNTO THEE, SAYING, WILT THOU NOT SHEW US WHAT THOU MEANEST BY THESE? SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD;

BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH, WHICH IS IN THE HAND OF EPHRAIM, AND THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL HIS FELLOWS, AND WILL PUT THEM WITH HIM, EVEN WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH, AND MAKE THEM ONE STICK, AND THEY SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND. AND THE STICKS WHEREON THOU WRITEST SHALL BE IN THINE HAND BEFORE THEIR EYES.

AND SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FROM AMONG THE HEATHEN, WHITHER THEY BE GONE, AND WILL GATHER THEM ON EVERY SIDE, AND BRING THEM INTO THEIR OWN LAND: AND I WILL MAKE THEM ONE NATION IN THE LAND UPON THE MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL; AND ONE KING SHALL BE KING TO THEM ALL:

AND THEY SHALL BE NO MORE TWO NATIONS, NEITHER SHALL THEY BE DIVIDED INTO TWO KINGDOMS ANY MORE AT ALL. NEITHER SHALL THEY DEFILE THEMSELVES ANY MORE WITH THEIR IDOLS, NOR WITH THEIR DETESTABLE THINGS, NOR WITH ANY OF THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS:

BUT I WILL SAVE THEM OUT OF ALL THEIR DWELLING PLACES, WHEREIN THEY HAVE SINNED, AND WILL CLEANSE THEM: SO SHALL THEY BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD. AND DAVID MY SERVANT SHALL BE KING OVER THEM; AND THEY ALL SHALL HAVE ONE SHEPHERD:

THEY SHALL ALSO WALK IN MY JUDGMENTS, AND OBSERVE MY STATUTES, AND DO THEM. AND THEY SHALL DWELL IN THE LAND THAT I HAVE GIVEN UNTO JACOB MY SERVANT, WHEREIN YOUR FATHERS HAVE DWELT; AND THEY SHALL DWELL THEREIN, EVEN THEY, AND THEIR CHILDREN, AND THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN FOR EVER:

AND MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER. MOREOVER I WILL MAKE A COVENANT OF PEACE WITH THEM; IT SHALL BE AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH THEM: AND I WILL PLACE THEM, AND MULTIPLY THEM, AND WILL SET MY SANCTUARY IN THE MIDST OF THEM FOR EVERMORE. MY TABERNACLE ALSO SHALL BE WITH THEM:

YEA, I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. AND THE HEATHEN SHALL KNOW THAT I THE LORD DO SANCTIFY ISRAEL, WHEN MY SANCTUARY SHALL BE IN THE MIDST OF THEM FOR EVERMORE.

[Ezekiel chapter 37: 15-28]
The Malbim explained the above verses that we have just read from the 37th chapter of Ezekiel in the following manner: [Ezekiel 37;15] "He [the Prophet] was commanded to take one stick and to write upon it, these words, ~FOR JUDAH AND FOR THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, HIS COMPANIONS~; [this stick] represented Judah and those [others] joined unto him from the Children of Israel, such as the Tribe of Benjamin, and the Sons of Levi, and the rest of the people who had attached themselves to Judah.

[And he goes on in Ezekiel] "~And he took another stick, and he wrote upon it, these words: ~FOR JOSEPH, THE STICK OF EPHRAIM, AND FOR ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, HIS COMPANIONS~; [this stick] represents Joseph who was the source of the tribe [of Ephraim]. From Joseph developed the Kingdom of Ephraim, which began with Jeroboam, and therefore [the stick of Joseph] is [also] termed , ~THE STICK OF EPHRAIM.

Ezekiel says: ~AND ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL~, for unto him [unto Joseph] were joined all of Israel which belong to the Ten Tribes... Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning (of the End Times) would arise a Messiah, [i.e. Anointed Saviour], from the house of Joseph who will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be gathered together under his banner. [This will continue] until a descendant of David later appears and he will reign over them... [over all the tribes].

The Malbim continues: "A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through the agency of a Prophet and by miracles".

The MALBIM connects the Prophecy in Ezekiel 37 with that in the Book of Micah chapter 5. The fifth chapter of Micah was explained in the historical sections of our work “The Tribes” by Yair Davidiy (first edition 1993, second edition 1999). The fifth chapter of Micah was seen to describe the union of King Josiah ben Amon of Judah with the Israelite-Scythian rulers of the Middle East at that time. The Scythians were actually the sons, grandsons, and great-grandsons of Israelites exiled to Assyria and elsewhere in the Assyrian Empire. The Assyrians had settled the exiled Israelites in border areas and had also absorbed segments of them into the armed forces. The Kingdom of Assyria was attacked by outsiders and also suffered from the rebellions of peoples it had conquered. The Empire of Assyria became weakened so many of the peoples within the Assyrian Empire began to assert their independence. Part of the Israelite Exiles also asserted their independence in their places of Exile. The Israelite exiles had joined up with other groups. The Israelite Exiles can be identified as part of a confederation of peoples known as the Cimmerians. From the Cimmerians the Scythians and Goths emerged. The Scythians and Goths, who emerged from the Cimmerians, were also Israelites or at least Israelites were an important major element amongst them. The Assyrians made terms with the Scythians and attempted to use the Scythians against the enemies of Assyria. The Scythians became the protectors of Assyria. From being protectors of Assyria the Scythians progressed to take control of most of the Assyrian they Empire. The Scythians then attempted to join forces with the Kingdom of Judah and assisted King Josiah ben Amon of Judah against his enemies. King Josiah of Judah in turn assisted the Scythians. King Josiah of Judah made an attempt to resettle some of the Scythians in and around Beth-Shean in the former territory of Menasseh, in the northern part of Israel. This attempt was not successful. Eventually the Assyrians attempted to re-assert themselves and there were wars and changes of alliances. King Josiah of Judah lost his life fighting on behalf of the Scythians. At all events, the Scythians then fought against the Assyrians and they played the main role in destroying the Empire of Assyria. The Scythians destroyed Assyria. The main allies of the Scythians were the Medes and Babylonians. The Medes and Babylonians betrayed the Scythians and drove the Scythians northward into Southern Russia. From Southern Russia the Scythians later moved by stages to Western Europe. The Prophet Micah in Chapter Five, Talmudic passages, archaeological evidence, and historical accounts all confirm what we have just told you.

[Micah 5:1] NOW GATHER THYSELF IN TROOPS, O DAUGHTER OF TROOPS: HE HATH LAID SIEGE AGAINST US: THEY SHALL SMITE THE JUDGE OF ISRAEL WITH A ROD UPON THE CHEEK. [Micah 5:2] BUT THOU, BETHLEHEM EPHRATAH, THOUGH THOU BE LITTLE AMONG THE THOUSANDS OF JUDAH, YET OUT OF THEE SHALL HE COME FORTH UNTO ME THAT IS TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING. [Micah 5:3] THEREFORE WILL HE GIVE THEM UP, UNTIL THE TIME THAT SHE WHICH TRAVAILETH HATH BROUGHT FORTH: THEN THE REMNANT OF HIS BRETHREN SHALL RETURN UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.

The above verses speak of a King from the House of David who came out of Beth-Lehem. He shall rule over some of the exiled of Israel who will return. This is what King Josiah did. It is also what the Messiah is destined to do at first.

[Micah 5:4] AND HE SHALL STAND AND FEED IN THE STRENGTH OF THE LORD, IN THE MAJESTY OF THE NAME OF THE LORD HIS GOD; AND THEY SHALL ABIDE: FOR NOW SHALL HE BE GREAT UNTO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH. [Micah 5:5] AND THIS MAN SHALL BE THE PEACE, WHEN THE ASSYRIAN SHALL COME INTO OUR LAND: AND WHEN HE SHALL TREAD IN OUR PALACES, THEN SHALL WE RAISE AGAINST HIM SEVEN SHEPHERDS, AND EIGHT PRINCIPAL MEN.

The Assyrians had entered the Lands of Israel and Judah in the past and they had trodden down the cities and palaces of Israel. The Israelite Scythians after being exiled became at first allies and protectors of Assyria. They were “SHEPHERDS”, or protectors, as Micah says, then they became the main rulers (“EIGHT PRINCIPAL MEN”) just as Micah describes the Israelites as doing.

[Micah 5:6] AND THEY [i.e. the Israelites] SHALL WASTE THE LAND OF ASSYRIA WITH THE SWORD, AND THE LAND OF NIMROD IN THE ENTRANCES THEREOF: THUS SHALL HE DELIVER US FROM THE ASSYRIAN, WHEN HE COMETH INTO OUR LAND, AND WHEN HE TREADETH WITHIN OUR BORDERS.

They shall destroy the land of Assyria. The Israelites will destroy Assyria just as the Assyrians had formerly destroyed the Land of Israel. This is what the Israelite-Scythians did. They destroyed Assyria.

[Micah 5:7] AND THE REMNANT OF JACOB SHALL BE IN THE MIDST OF MANY PEOPLE AS A DEW FROM THE LORD, AS THE SHOWERS UPON THE GRASS, THAT TARRIETH NOT FOR MAN, NOR WAITETH FOR THE SONS OF MEN. [Micah 5:8] AND THE REMNANT OF JACOB SHALL BE AMONG THE GENTILES IN THE MIDST OF MANY PEOPLE AS A LION AMONG THE BEASTS OF THE FOREST, AS A YOUNG LION AMONG THE FLOCKS OF SHEEP: WHO, IF HE GO THROUGH, BOTH TREADETH DOWN, AND TEARETH IN PIECES, AND NONE CAN DELIVER.

The Scythians after taking over the Assyrian Empire ruled over the Middle East and spread terror of their name everywhere just like the “British Lion” was later to do.

[Micah 5:9] THINE HAND SHALL BE LIFTED UP UPON THINE ADVERSARIES, AND ALL THINE ENEMIES SHALL BE CUT OFF.

What we have just described is the historical context of the fifth chapter of Micah. Nevertheless, in our book “The Tribes” we emphasized that the major intention of Chapter Five of The Book of Micah, was for the Messianic period. This Chapter Five of Micah may be considered to incidentally describe events concerning the temporary Judaean and Israelite (Scythian) re-union that once took place. These historical events were a kind of partial forerunner or prototypical model of the re-union that will take place in the future. The future re-union is yet to happen but it will occur in the Messianic Era or in the period leading up to it. The MALBIM in his commentary on this Fifth Chapter of Micah intended to also throw additional light on Chapter 37 in Ezekiel. The Malbim considered chapter five of Micah and Chapter 37 of Ezekiel as talking about the same events. A few extracts from the Commentary of the Malbim on chapter five of Micah helps us understand his Commentary on Chapter 37 of Ezekiel. The Malbim says on:

MALBIM on Micah 5;1: ".....It has already been clarified in Ezekiel 37, that in the End Time, the Ten Tribes will be the first to arouse themselves and over them will reign the Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] Descendant of Joseph and they will accomplish great things.

"The Tribe of Judah who are scattered amongst the nations [and are] weakly and few will attach themselves [unto the Ten Tribes]. They [i.e. the Tribe of Judah, the Jews] will be of secondary importance [at first] in the kingdom of the Anointed Descendant of Joseph. [This will continue] until later there will arise the Anointed Descendant of David in the Might of The LORD. At that time they will all [both Joseph and Judah] accept upon themselves the Kingship of the House of David. Then wars will cease for the Gentiles will request [guidance from] him [i.e. from the Messiah]...

"He [the Prophet Micah] wants to describe the situation that will exist as long as the general ingathering will not be completed and all of the Exiled of Judah will still not be gathered together in the Land of Israel: Then, all that time, the House of Israel [meaning the Ten Tribes and the Anointed Descendant of Joseph who belongs to them] will be the principal party. They will be the warriors and the rulers. The House of Judah will be secondary [in importance] unto them. This was explained in Ezekiel [37;19]
“BEHOLD , I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH…“I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH…AND I WILL PUT UPON HIM THE STICK OF JUDAH”, i.e. the Malbim understands the verse to say that the stick of Judah will be put on the stick of Joseph. The Malbim understands this to mean that Judah will be secondary to Joseph.

The KJ version of this verse (Ezekiel 37;19) that the Malbim is referring to has it translated as:

"[Ezekiel 37:19] SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH, WHICH IS IN THE HAND OF EPHRAIM, AND THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL HIS FELLOWS, AND WILL PUT THEM WITH HIM, EVEN WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH, AND MAKE THEM ONE STICK, AND THEY SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.

The King James seems to understand that the stick of Joseph will be put with the stick of Judah and not that the stick of Judah will be put with Joseph. This is just the opposite of how the Malbim understands the verse. In the original Hebrew the verse could be understood either way. At all events, The MALBIM understands the Hebrew as saying that Judah will be put on (attached to) Joseph (and therefore will be at first of secondary "attache"status importance to Joseph. In Genesis chapter 44 it is related how the brothers sold Joseph. Joseph later had become the virtual ruler of Egypt. Meanwhile the Land of Canaan like the Land of Egypt was stricken with famine. The brothers of Joseph went up to Egypt to buy grain. Joseph recognized his brothers but the brothers of Joseph did not recognize him. Joseph forced his brothers to go back to Canaan and eventually return accompanied by Benjamin the younger brother of Joseph by the same mother. Joseph then framed Benjamin and made Benjamin look like a thief. Joseph threatened to keep Benjamin as a slave. Judah stepped forward and approached Joseph and pleaded on behalf of Benjamin. Judah offered to serve as a slave instead of Benjamin. The Commentators say that because Judah took responsibility for Benjamin Judah merited to be given Messianic responsibility as part of his Tribal Destiny. From Judah emerges the House of David and the future Messiah. Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher (Chabad) Rabbi, made the following observations on the action of Judah (Genesis: VaYigash). Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson was considered inspired by his followers and by many others. The relevant verse says:

[GENESIS 44:18] THEN JUDAH CAME NEAR UNTO HIM, AND SAID, OH MY LORD, LET THY SERVANT, I PRAY THEE, SPEAK A WORD IN MY LORD'S EARS, AND LET NOT THINE ANGER BURN AGAINST THY SERVANT: FOR THOU ART EVEN AS PHARAOH.

Commentary: On the verse: “FOR THOU ART EVEN AS PHARAOH”: Rabbi Schneerson quotes the source saying that Judah meant to say that Joseph is as powerful as Pharaoh and that Judah acknowledges his authority. Judah acknowledged the authority of Joseph. Because of this Judah merited the Promise in Ezekiel 37, “MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER”. The Rabbi says that in order for Judah to bring on the Messiah, to help the Messiah come, and realize the promise given to his seed (“MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER”) Judah must first do as the Patriarch Judah did when he CAME NEAR UNTO Joseph and he acknowledged the authority of Joseph and initially was influenced from Joseph.

The Rabbi then went on to mention how the USA is a merciful state that does kindness and enables the Jews to practice their religion and has good principles. He used the term “Chesed” meaning kindness. The USA does “Chesed”, kindness. The Kings of the Ten Tribes Kingdom of northern Israel before their exile were also described as “merciful kings”, kings of “chesed”, Kings who do kindness (1-Kings 20;31).

Regarding the future Messiah son of Joseph: The traditional Aramaic Translation of the Prophets (Targum Yehonathan on Exodus 40:11) says the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is descended from Joshua the son of Nun from the Tribe of Ephraim. Other sources say that the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is a descendant of Jeroboam the son of Nebath (Zohar Chadash, Balak 56b). Jeroboam had led the northern Ten Tribes when they rebelled against the House of David and broke away and formed their own kingdom of Israel (1-Kings chapter 12). All the Israelites in the separate kingdom of Israel were later exiled by the Assyrians and became the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH who is the descendant of Jeroboam will bring about the re-unification of the Lost Ten Tribes (Joseph) with Judah. He will therefore rectify the sin of his ancestor by re-uniting with Judah. He will make good what his forefather had done wrong. We too if we want to, and try hard, can make good what our fathers and forefathers and we ourselves have done wrong in the past. We can build a better future for the sake of our peoples and for the sake of our children and their children after them. This is our duty.

The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in Jewish Tradition in later generations was taken to be a symbolic figure. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH was understood to represent an historical process in which the Jewish people would return to their land and rebuild themselves by natural means. Later the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID would appear and impart a spiritual dimension to the physical-material political structure that the process represented by the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH had prepared. This does not nullify the belief that the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is to be a real person. It merely supplements it. It adds to it. It helps us understand it. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH was to appear before the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. In some sources the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is called “The First Redeemer.” The “Second Redeemer” will be the Messiah son of David.

The Messiah son of Joseph will be the leader of the Lost Ten Tribes. He will be descended from Joseph. In a sense The Messiah son of Joseph may be understood to represent Joseph and the Lost Ten Tribes, as a collective body. By considering some of the deeds and actions of The Messiah son of Joseph we can gain further evidence as to who the descendants of Joseph are today. Some points concerning the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH that are to be found in the book “Kol HaTor” (“The Voice of the Turtledove” in Hebrew). This book is a collection of the sayings of a great and famous Rabbi (Eliyahu of Vilna) and his followers in the eighteenth century. The book deals with the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Rabbi Elyahu of Vilna is considered to have been one of the greatest Rabbis of all time. The ideas in this book “Kol HaTor” are all based on Biblical or related sources. Similar to Cyrus king of Persia “Kol HaTor” says [1.6.1] The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is similar to Cyrus the Persian Monarch who encouraged the Jews to return from the Babylonian Exile and rebuild the Temple. Cyrus, the King of Persia, in some respects may be considered a forerunner (or prototype) of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Verses associated with Cyrus (Isaiah 42) are actually to a degree applicable to the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will be revealed little by little.

The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in some sources is referred to as the “Messiah son [descendant] of Ephraim.” The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is associated with the saving of lives and the rescue of Israelites and in this he is assisted by Judah and by the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. By way of Comment: The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH, as we have seen, is connected with the ingathering of the exiles. America and Britain both in their own way in the past did helped the ingathering of the exiles of Judah to the Land of Israel. Our Prayers Are Needed “Kol HaTor” says [1.24] “With our deeds and prayers we shall come to the aid of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Through our exertions with all our might of self-arousal [arousal from below as distinct from arousal from heaven] we will achieve the union of the two messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, ‘the stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah’ [mentioned by Ezekiel 37]. [The two sticks will join together just as Judah and Joseph will join together].
[In Ezekiel 37:16, Ezekiel was told to take one stick, FOR JUDAH. Ezekeil was then told to take ANOTHER STICK, FOR JOSEPH. Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 37:17 to join the two sticks together. THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND. The two sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) were to first become one in the hand of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel 37:19 God says that the two sticks SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.] [Ezekiel says that] First the two sticks will become one in your hands and afterwards they will be one in my [God’s] hand.”












[i.e. This means that: First Judah and Joseph should try to join together from below and afterwards God will help them from above].

















On the same theme: “Kol HaTor” emphasizes The Two Sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) Must be Joined Together Through Our Initiative! [2.101] Ezekiel (37) speaks of the stick of Joseph [and Judah and the union of Judah with Joseph]. This concerns the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The Redemption is dependent on the union of the two sticks, the stick of Joseph with the stick of Judah. These are the two Messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. [It says: “Join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in your hand” (Ezekiel 37;17)].

At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become on in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God! Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17).











The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself.
















“Kol HaTor” says [2.17] The guardian angel of Esau will be pulled down by the guardian angel of Joseph (This is also spoken about in the Biblical Book of Obadiah. We will discuss this subject and the Book of Obadiah. Expands Borders of Israel, Wars Against Amalek “Kol HaTor” says [2.36] “Enlarge the place of your tent and let them stretch forth the curtains of your habitations...” (Isaiah 54;2). The commandment to expand the borders [of Israel] is part of the task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH has the duty of waging war against Amalek and of expanding the borders of Israel and of protecting Israel from destruction.

Ingathers the Exiles “Kol HaTor” says [2.40] “His [i.e. Joseph’s] bow abode in strength” (Genesis 49;24). This should be an important principle for us. We have to stand obstinately strong in the holy work of gathering in the exiles which is the task of the first redeemer [i.e. of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]. Purifies the Land of Israel “Kol HaTor” says [2.41] “And Joseph was governor over the land” (Genesis 42;6). This means he will overcome all the forces of impurity. This is one of the great tasks of the First Redeemer [of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]: to extirpate the spirit of impurity from the country by means of settling the Holy Land. When the Holy Land is not settled [with Israelites] a spirit of impurity settles over it. [When the Holy Land is settled with Israelites the Land becomes pure]. Joshua ben Nun Was a Forerunner “Kol HaTor” says [2.44]



“Kol HaTor” says [2.75] The Messiah Son of Joseph arouses not only Israel but also the Peoples of the World to Repent. Jonah the Prophet had the aspect of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in his generation. His task is, “to rebuke many nations” (Isaiah 2). Turns Defeat Into Victory “Kol HaTor” says [2.91] The characteristic of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is that out of tribulation he brings salvation. The Heavenly Ladder “Kol HaTor” says [2.97] A ladder on the ground and its head reaching to heaven (Genesis 28). This is an aspect of Joseph as is known. What happened to Jacob happened to Joseph. All of his deeds were an arousal from below with an accompanying assistance from heaven. Joseph was the son of Jacob and Rachel and had the characteristics of both Jacob and Rachel. Ingathers Exiles, Rebuilds Jerusalem, Settles the Wilderness “Kol HaTor” says [2.117] The rulership of Joseph overcomes all impurity.

The task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is to remove the spirit of impurity from the Land through the ingathering of exiles, rebuilding Jerusalem, and the planting of the wilderness. Ransoming Captives “Kol HaTor” says [2.118] “And the ransomed of the LORD shall return and come to Zion” (Isaiah 35;10): The task of ransoming captives belongs to the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH who performs it by ingathering the Exiles…The Major Ingathering of the Exiles cannot be less than 600,000…They will come with rejoicing and happiness. Comment: “Kol HaTor” says The Major Ingathering of Exiles cannot be less than 600,000. 600,000 was taken to be a key number. It is interesting to note that when Israel declared its Independence in 1948 the total Jewish population in the Land at that time was a bit more than 600,000 which was the key number mentioned by “Kol HaTor” about two hundred years beforehand. Reveals Secrets of the Torah “Kol HaTor” says [122] “And Pharoah called Joseph’s name Zaphenat Paneah” [i.e. Uncover of Secrets] (Genesis 41;45). One of the tasks of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in each generation is to reveal the secrets of the Torah. Horns of a Unicorn “Kol HaTor” says [131] “His horns are the horns of a unicorn with which he strikes the peoples” (Deuteronomy 33). The main task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is the everlasting war against Amalek. Comment: The horns of a unicorn are linked with the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH.








It's all in the above writing.......Joseph initiates union with Judah....Judah refuses it........Joseph has no conformation because his brothers can't see him. Joseph encourages himself without help from others. Judah has people seeing him in visions and dreams..."strong and powerful"... has many many conformations because he is not Joseph(if you have many people seeing you then you are not Joseph) he is Judah and Jews require a sign(1 cortinthians 1:22) but greeks seek wisdom. Union of Judah and Joseph is not supposed to happen when they try from below...it is only God from above that brings union to these two as described in Ezekile 37 the two sticks(branches...the branch) of Judah and Joseph.....sleep well friend we are right on track even though you can't see it yet!...it's all in the above writing!


Isaiah 11:13:

King James Bible
The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.









Ezekiel 37:


16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.







What we have is 2 nations/kingdoms/families. There is a representative for each kingdom. One kingdom is the kingship kingdom and the other kingdom is the priestly kingdom. Once they are reunited they will become a royal priesthood kingdom.

The southern kingdom is Judah. The representative for the kingdom of judah is messiah ben david or known as judah which will in the end be the king which we know from 1 chronicles 5:2 will be the chief leader and holds the sceptre.

The northern kingdom is known as the house of jacob...house of joseph or house of Ephraim. The representative for the northern kingdom will be known as jacob...messiah ben joseph..or ephraim which are all 2nd born birthright holders. One representative is the 1st born sceptre holder/king and the other representative is the 2nd born birthright holder which will enable him to become high priest.

The representative of the northern kingdom known as messiah ben joseph will be a forerunner to messiah ben david..therfore elijsah being a forerunner messiah ben joseph and Elijah are one and the same person. What we need to look for is when this Elijah will arrive. Every year on passover the jews look for the arrival of Elijah and that seems to be a high watch time for Elijah. This being the 70th passover since judah returned to the homeland makes it even a higher possibility.

If Elijah arrives on passover and he arrives BEFORE 'The great and terrrible day of the Lord" we have to find out when the great and terrible day of the lord is. That day is none other than the fall feast Rosh Hashannah as it is know by several name...here are a few things this feast is associated with:

1. The great and terrible day of the Lord
2. The day that no one knows
3. The time of Jacobs trouble
there are many more buy these are the ones we are concerned with right now.

So if Elijah arrives on passover and he is representative of the nation Jacob(northern kingdom) then Elijah is also a Jacob(2nd born birthright holder) and as representative his trouble will have to come on rosh hashannah prior to the nation jacobs trouble on the following rosh hashannah. I say this because we see in Isaiah 52 this servant is extremely disfigured the most likely time for a jacob to become disfigured is on the day that is called "jacobs trouble"(rosh hashannah)

The jews see the following verse as being messiah ben joseph and not messiah ben david.

Isaiah 52:

13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

So in conclusion this Elijah(forerunner) if he arrives on passover is disfigured as a sign of what is about to become of jacob the nation on the following Rosh Hashannah then he will leave the nation before the next Rosh Hashannah as that will be jacob the nations judgement appointment.











P.S The problem you have sword is you look for a friend to be your partner...these 2 anointed are a Judah and a Joseph...these two will not be best friend until after the throne room visit...Judah and josephs are at odds with each other so to find your partner don't look for a friend instead look for the one you don't like and then you will find your partner...lol








You keep coming back so I’ll post something...lol

Why do you keep coming back if you are masculine/feminine. ...firstborn/2 nd born..king/ high priest...Judah/ Joseph...Moses/ Aaron.....Joshua high priest/ zerrubabel.... israel/ Jacob....david/ joseph...etc....how can you not see it takes two anointed to fill these positions...I know why you can’t see it but you can’t til the fullness of the gentiles..lol

: joseph and judah:





I didn't remove any threads...I just have to wait til next week as billing for glp is screwed up right now..hence my avatar picture is gone...should be all good by next week...lol


As far a 2 nations or 2 representatives being blind in part...if you read it Paul is only saying the southern kingdom of Judah is blind in part not Israel the northern kingdom. So if Judah/ Israel is the one blind in part then the representative of that southern kingdom as part of that kingdom will be blind in part also...and you have clearly displayed this blindness as you only see one anointed receiving all the blessings just as the Jews/ Judah has the same eyesight as their mother Leah...so 2 israels but only one is blind in part according to Paul...lol





Can you see yet there are two anointed and not just one?...one a king and the other the high priest...probably not but just checking...lol

:kinghighpriest:

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Why couldn’t a main witness see his partner but the other witness could? Because judah is promised blindness til the fullness of the gentiles but Joseph isn’t promised blindness. Joseph can see his partner...a judah won’t see his partner til the fullness of the gentiles....where does that leave you friend...I can see my partner and you can’t til the fullness of the gentiles....wake up to who you are...how do I wake up one who is promised to be blind til the fullness of the gentiles? I don’t but it was worth trying..the evidence was overwhelming but when God blinds the other guy there is no convincing...cya in the throne room when the fullness of the gentiles happens and you are able to see Joseph the birthright holder...lol

We are Luke 15 the two brothers ..you are the older brother who studied hard...I’m the younger prodical....the two sons Judah and ephraim/Joseph..the older finds it unfair the younger is given honor being he was the prodical...how do you not see this as I’ve explained it to you over and over and you see this is the example we have displayed for years and years...unbelievable how you still can’t see it...I totally can’t understand how you can’t see it...lol...but whatever..I’m patient...we can’t live forever..lol...if we are in the volume of the book then we are those two sons...so guess which one you are older son...lol....wake up friend...wake up already...what does it take to wake you up?

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If you want to know the key to the Bible....it is the struggle between the 1 st born and 2 Nd born....whether it be the 2 nations or the two representatives of the 2 kingdoms..The masculine and the feminine..the priesthood and the kingship.....the sceptre and the birthright......first/borN Adam/ Judah’s are promised blindness...2 Nd born birthright holders Jacob/ Joseph’s aren’t blind. Use perspective....stop being only 1 st born perspective...pretend you were the 2 Nd born and see the blessings you are promised....you are 1 st born but look at who is who....
Two witnesses...two offices..two positions....kingship/ priesthood....sceptre/ birthright....
1 st born/ 2 Nd born..,you can’t make this up if it isn’t there and it is there...volume of the book over and over...learn who you are 1 st born Adam....you are none of the 2nd born birthright holders such as Jacob and Joseph otherwise you have no order in your process and you think you are everybody but Elijah....and with enough time you will absorb that position as well and won’t even need a partner....lol...if you could see 2nd born born perspective you would see much differently....but a 1st born has much difficulty seeing thru the position of the 2 Nd born....at least til the fullness of the gentiles...wake up.lwake up..wake up...what does it take already.

Tell me I’m wrong and I’ll tell you the same....if God blinds a nation then he will blind the representative of that nation or pretend God won’t blind you like the j.e.w.s do..lol..God tells you the 1st born will be hardened/ blind....but you think it is only the 1 st born nation and not the 1 st born representative..you are in for a suprise just as the 1 st born nation is.


Perspective ...perspective...perspective...if you read scripture thru 1 st born perspective you will be blinded and that is how you read it sword. Read it thru 2 Nd born perspective....it isn’t as pleasant ending for the 1 st born because the 2 Nd born gets the birthright but it is the true perspective...but if you only read the scriptures to see what you can get from them instead of what they actually say then read it 1 st born perspective like the 1st born j.e.w.s do and you won’t read
it right just as they didn’t

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The secret to the hierarchy:

1. Jesus both King and High Priest ruling from heaven highest in throne and position. The next level is to divide the two offices of king and high priest between the two anointed. David being king and Joseph the birthright holder being high priest as the birthright holder is able to offer the sacrifices during the millennium according to Jeremiah and Ezekiel the levitic
and davidic kingship and priesthood will be reinstated during the millennium after the age of grace has come to an end otherwise jeremiah and Ezeliel were false prophets and if we believe all of the Bible we don’t believe they were false prophets and believe the davidic/levitic kingship and priesthood will be reinstated and there are 2 who can fulfill those positions ...King David the sceptre holder and the other being Joseph the birthright holder. We know king David isn’t Jesus because david is only holding one office on earth and Jesus is both King and High Priest ruling from heaven....Joseph is the high priest on earth because he has the birthright and David has the sceptre....both offices divided on earth.

2. Northern kingdom representative Joseph/Jacob birthright holding high priest ruling from earth

3.Southern kingdom representative David/ Judah sceptre holder king ruling from earth

4. Kingly southern nation Judah uniting with priestly nation Joseph/ Jacob northern kingdom

So you have Jesus both King and High Priest then you have Joseph the birthright holding double portion high priest position holder then you have David the kingly sceptre holder...then you have the two nations Joseph and Judah in those hierarchy positions

The secret to finding these two anointed is to look for a judah and Joseph relationship type...what are the chances anyone could find a relationship as these two....bet it would be a needle in a haystack possibility...lol....the 2nd born birthright holder Joseph would have to know who the 1st born David/Judah was...could that even happen in a almost 7.5 billion population world....seems almost impossible....lol...or does it? Joseph can always see his brother judah before his brother can see him.






The teacher of righteousness is the high priest and colleague to the king....the teacher of righteousness thinks scripture is speaking of him. The teacher of righteousness knows the law will be reinstated as he is the expounder of the law and the king david is the lawgiver.( again judah plows and the 2 Nd born breaks the clods)..hmm interesting....I guess you would have to know the king to be a colleague to the king and be the teacher of righteousness..lol.....judah and Joseph...judah and Joseph 1st born and 2nd born....the key to the whole book is easy to see if you know who is who and who inherits what....but if you are blinded and don’t know how to divide the blessings and who is who then maybe not so much....lol

Wake up brother...how I was so fortunate to see the plan? I really wish you could see it...it’s amazing and how both kingdoms will be united...you don’t get every blessing...you have to split them with the 2 Nd born.....but the 2 kingdoms will be united once again and you will get to hear that “ well done my good and faithful servant” you want to hear and you are king of the whole world for over 1000 years...pretty amazing


Have a good night

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Friend wake up..you had a lot of possibilities for partners but you exhausted all the possibilities and ended up with me( or maybe it was always me the whole time...of course it was)lol...what are the chances it was me?..umm 200 percent...because God knows the end from the beginning and he already had the 2 picked before the creation of the earth...but we wait til you realize only half the blessings are yours. That always puzzled me why God would blind the other anointed....I guess it is to make the other anointed less reliable on the 1 st born and totally reliable on God....then it totally makes sense.....one a king the other the high priest..they can’t look toward each other...they have to look toward God to know who they are and complete their purpose.

Jesus had two positions...suffering servant High Priest the first arrival and King the 2 Nd arrival melchelzedek order one person being both offices....heavenly order...the two anointed have 2 positions...one king and the other high priest....davidic/ levitic order..2 offices divided...one king and the other high priest on earth.....how hard is that to understand?

One a king and the other the high priest on earth


Over 20 years we have started in union and have debated...a perfect replica of northern kingdom Joseph and southern kingdom Judah...how do you not see nobody else is coming to be your partner?...hmmm..it’s funny to me and a mystery to you....you have to be thinking where is my partner and why can’t I see him if you believe you are joseph...the one who can see his brother before his brother can see him..pretty late in the time frame...better find your partner if you are joseph...I’ve seen mine for over 20 years....good luck to ya...maybe you will see your partner a few minutes before he sees you.....wake up friend....you’re judah not joseph







You should look for your partner....and when you can’t find him ask yourself why......the why is because it is already written Judah’s can’t see Josephs...use some common sense and read what scriptures say....Judah’s are blind to seeing their partners but Joseph’s can see their partners for years...who do you see? Nobody but yourself as both positions...hmmmm..sad but true...wake up friend



I gave a review on your book on Amazon...the book was only written so your partner could read it.....you could have handed me the 1st copy and saved yourself some time...but eh...whatever we have some time to kill til the fullness of the gentiles....enjoy the review...you’re welcome....if it was a review you liked there would be no need for me...I tell you what you can’t see...or should I say what you don’t want to see.....have a good night.



The Bible is shadows.....the shadows before the cross and the shadows after the cross. The 1st born and 2nd born before the cross and the 1st born and 2nd born after the cross...Judah and Joseph before the cross and Judah and Joseph after the cross....look at the two nations....look at the two representatives of the two nations...
How blind do you have to be to not be able to see the two representatives are two representatives of the two nations Judah and joseph....which would make the representatives one Judah and the other Joseph....mind boggling how one couldn’t see that....or a God blinding...one or the other




I once read an apocrypha reading that said until you can put the left shoe on the right and the right shoe on the left you won’t understand...for years I didn’t understand that....now I do...
what it meant was don’t read in only 1st born perspective...1st borns plow and teach what they plow but don’t know how to break the clods and they are blind to seeing 2nd borns instead read it in 2nd born perspective...it opens whole new possibilities..
It’s not a 2nd Jesus and Judas scenario....it is a judah and Joseph scenario and when read in 2nd born perspective releases the 2nd born from his 10 year spiritual prison ( revelation 2:10 you will have tribulation 10 days)...those 10 days are 10 years.....just a tid bit for ya...lol



How does a studied word student not see the volume of the book is about the 1st born Adam and 2nd born Eve? Furthermore how does the same student not see the volume of the book is also divided between masculine and feminine....and finally divided between sceptre and birthright......2nd borns are always feminine birthright holders destined for priesthood...1 st borns are masculine sceptre holders destined for kingship...two kingdoms one priestly and the other kingdom kingly. The 2 representative of those 2 kingdoms...one kingly and the other priestly....pretty simple...how can you read the book and not see these themes throughout the volume of the book? Unfortunately I can’t see how a 40 year veteran can’t understand these simple principals throughout the volume of the book....hmmmm..have a good night....spoiler alert...God tells the end from the beginning...lol




Zechariah 11:14: The brotherhood of the two divided

KJV

Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
ESV

Then I broke my second staff Union, annulling the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
NLT

Then I took my other staff, Union, and cut it in two, showing that the bond of unity between Judah and Israel was broken.




Fortunately Ezekiel 37 comes along and the brotherhood of Judah and Joseph is reunited...1st the two representatives of the two kingdoms/families have to attempt to unite from below(earth)....this will not happen as it is God from above in the throne room that reunites judah and joseph the two anointed...afterwards the two return from the throne room and God allows the two anointed to reunite the two kingdoms/ families Judah( 1st born sceptre holding southern kingdom) and the kingdom of Jacob/Joseph/ephraim (2nd born birthright holding northern kingdom)

Ezekiel 37:

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.


On the same theme: “Kol HaTor” emphasizes The Two Sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) Must be Joined Together Through Our Initiative! [2.101] Ezekiel (37) speaks of the stick of Joseph [and Judah and the union of Judah with Joseph]. This concerns the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The Redemption is dependent on the union of the two sticks, the stick of Joseph with the stick of Judah. These are the two Messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. [It says: “Join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in your hand” (Ezekiel 37;17)].

At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become one in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God!

Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17).











The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself.






God tells the end from the beginning...so let’s go to the beginning and see what we have.

We have an Adam and an Eve which are both promised dominion...so as we travel through the book we see the division of the two dominions. One position is the masculine and the other position is the feminine. The masculine position is the sceptre/kingship on earth. The feminine position is the priesthood on earth.

You can always tell who is who because when it says 2nd born birthright holders that is the Eve position. Throughout the volume of the book it is the feminine 2nd born who receives the birthright such as Jacob...Joseph...ephraim. Along with the birthright comes the priesthood so now you can add Aaron...Joshua the high priest..etc...2 Nd borns receive the birthright and the priesthood

The Adam position is the sceptre holding kingship/civil leader positions such as Judah...David...Moses... Zerubbabel...The Adam position is to manage the government...the Eve position is to manage the temple. Once the two kingdoms are united because we know there are 2 kingdoms...one masculine and the other feminine...once they are reunited we will have a Royal Priesthood kingdom no longer divided.



1 chronicles 5:2 judah/David is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s.


Unfortunately Judah’s and Joseph’s start out in union together but the pattern shows they hit a rocky patch and ya got the division of the two before the reunification at the fullness of the gentiles when Judah’s eyes are opened up to who his brother Joseph is....so until then we wait for the fullness of the gentiles..which is basically the throne room visit.

The division of the kingdom of judah( southern kingdom) and the kingdom of Jacob/Joseph/ephraim( northern kingdom) is showing the separation of the masculine and the feminine or in other words the separation of Adam and Eve....but in the end the 2 kingdoms and 2 representatives of those 2 kingdoms will reunite and all will be whole again......one anointed (judah/David) will be king of both United Kingdoms and the other anointed ( Joseph) will use the birthright to be high priest of both United Kingdoms.







If you are Adam then you aren’t Eve....if your masculine then you aren’t feminine...if your 1st born then you aren’t 2nd born...if you are king then you aren’t high priest because on earth those two dominions are separate

Learn the rules on the earthly dominion and then you can learn who you are instead of thinking you are Adam and Eve...1st born and 2nd born...masculine and feminine...king and high priest...Judah and Joseph ...Moses and Aaron...zerrubbabel and joshua....etc...you are only 1 anointed....not both anointed...learn your place friend...lol....Jacob...Joseph...ephraim...all 2nd born birthright holders...so those flattering titles are not 1 st born Adams but they are the 2 Nd born feminines......you really are unable to see the difference between the two anointed the masculine and feminine positions?......hmmm




Notice the scriptures say Elijah will restore all things...a couple things elijah will restore is he will usher in the new age as the age of grace will be over and the new age of the 70th week will be in effect...the age of the davidic/levitic kingdom age. Elijah with the other anointed will restore the 3rd temple so animal sacrifice can be reinstated as Ezekiel and Jeremiah tell us will happen for the remainder of the millennium with a slight pause when the lawless one defiles the temple and kills the king and the high priest which are the two anointed and the time it takes to cleanse the temple 2300 days according to Daniel.

Daniel 8:14;
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Notice the man child is receiving the sceptre in the throne room...which means he is king and can’t be high priest on earth in a davidic/levitic kingdom that Elijah is ushering in. So it is Elijah being represented by Joshua the high priest in the throne room in zechariah.....so it’s a good outcome we have our king for the davidic part of the kingdom dominion and then we have our other anointed being high priest using the birthright for our levitic part of the kingdom dominion

Notice the man child (the king) and joshua( the high priest) are both in the throne room right at the end of the age of grace or in other words the two anointed are in the throne room at the fullness of the gentiles right when judah is promised to stop being blind to who his brother Joseph is.....hmmmm what a coincidence the two anointed will be in the throne room at that time.....at that time you will see there isn’t just one anointed in the throne room receiving the sceptre and the high priest position.but it will be the time judah the sceptre holder/chief leader sees Joseph the birthright holder...1 chronicles 5:2.....cmon why are the two anointed Judah and Joseph in the throne room at the fullness of the gentiles? It doesn't take a genius to see it is the unification day of Judah and Joseph the two anointed before they return to earth to unify the Judah ( southern kingdom) and Joseph ( northern kingdom) kingdoms

God broke the staff bands to break the brotherhood of Judah and israel...but in the throne room God reunites Judah and Joseph Ezekiel 37

Zechariah 11:14
Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

Ezekiel 37:19:
Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.




Isaiah52:15:
So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.










1 Corinthians 15:
47The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord

Adam sounds like 1 st born of the created to me...lol

What does it mean that Jesus is the firstborn of creation?:
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Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. He is not the first born created human as that is Adams position and Jesus was never created. Jesus was and has always been therefore we search the difference between literal birth 1 st born and preeminence 1 st born and we see the difference between Jesus who is the preeminent 1 st born and Adam who is the literal 1st born of the created man.



The man-child holds the sceptre which is a masculine 1 st born judah blessing...therefore the man child doesn’t hold the birthright as it is a 2 nd born feminine joseph line blessing 1 chronicles 5:2....that’s how you know who is who of the two anointed... one is 1 st born masculine scepter holder and the other is 2 nd born feminine birthright holder...so you have the scepter holder being king on earth and the other anointed has the birthright allowing him to be high priest on earth and you have Jesus ruling from heaven as King and High priest.. therefore you have earth being the lesser shadow of heaven as the two anointed divide the kingship and priesthood just as the Bible shows example after example through the volume of the book.. you can’t be king and high priest on earth.. how hard is that to see read the book those offices are separate just as the scepter and birthright are divided... if you don’t believe me now you will believe me later....learn the rules of the realms of heaven and earth brother and you will learn much ....lol


P.S

I do not wish to be a thief but only to inherit what is rightfully mine to fulfill the scriptures...enjoy the scepter as that is your inheritance

p.s.s:

So in light of knowing the king can’t be high priest and the scepter holder can’t be the birthright holder and the 1 st born can’t be the 2 nd born and the masculine can’t be the feminine...who is attempting to be the thief?....the one who claims half or the one who claims both... who is attempting to be the thief?...me or you?’.....I already know the answer..do you?...that’s a good question to ponder....keep in mind there are two anointed not just one...and two are promised dominion...not just one...and keep in mind the two dominions are the kingship and the priesthood....so I made your job easy....but you can’t see it because God blinds you til the fullness of the gentiles....tell me God don’t blind the 1 st borns that the 2 nd borns can flourish and I’ll call ya a liar.....lol...as I experienced it..have a good evening Adam.






Fortunately God does decide such matters. What is also fortunate is I can read who is who and the relationship, dominions and positions of the two anointed. Furthermore I can see Gods decision on the separation of the blessings and responsibilities of these two anointed

Joseph = birthright
Judah = scepter

Joshua = high priest on earth
David/manchild = king on earth

Eve = 2nd born
Adam = 1st born


Even the Dead Sea scrolls tell us one anointed will be king and the other anointed will be a colleague of the king and his position will will be the high priest because in the earthly realm there is always separation of kingship and priesthood. This is what elevates Jesus position in the heavenly realm as in heaven he can and is both King and High Priest and people on earth still have to have faith in Jesus who rules from heaven for salvation during the millennium. The animal sacrifice is for remembrance of Jesus sacrifice...the purification of the temple as there will still be unintentional sin and the shekina glory will dwell in the temple and for people to be a holy people as law and faith will be combined during the millennium as the age of grace has ended and we enter the final dispensation of law/grace combination with David as king because he has the sceptre blessing......and then we have Joseph as high priest because he possesses the birthright blessing. Two having dominion during the millennium just as was promised in the book of genesis.

It’s not hard to divide the word if you know who is who and who receives what blessing.....the key is to divide the 1 st born and 2nd born...and then divide the king/ civil leader and the high priest...then divide masculine and feminine....then divide the sceptre and the birthright....and then everything falls into place and the word is easy to read.......but your 1 st born perspective is blocking your view and discernment because you can plow but you can’t break the clods( Hosea 10:11). Fortunately 2 nd born Jacob can break the clods and correctly divide who is who and who receives which blessings.

Have a good day!





If you think only one has a bright future you should read the book again.....they both drink from the cup that Jesus drank.....you think just one anointed has a bright future?.....lol


P.S

Why do you suppose you can only see one anointed with a bright future that is the same perspective the nope.s see...perhaps you are the southern kingdom representative and you see as they see?

If you got 2 kingdoms... two families....two peoples then you only represent one kingdom until the unification of the two kingdoms... then you can be king of both kingdoms and the other anointed will be high priest of the two United Kingdoms..until then you will only be able to see as the kingdom you represent which is southern kingdom Judah..as they are promised blindness to seeing their brother until the fullness of the gentiles....lol












In Luke 15 you have the older brother angry because the younger brother gets “ the fatted calf” ....in the story of Joseph the older brothers are angry the younger brother received “ the coat of many colors”. In the throne room we see one opposing Joshua the high priest receiving the priesthood..who would oppose a younger brother receiving such a high honor? It is none other than David/ Judah the older brother once again


Notice the 2 Nd born( younger brother) always gets the birthright. We see issac Jacob Joseph and ephraim all receiving the birthright....the position of the older son is the scepter holder







Can you see me? No not yet but you will and the time we will have then! Two world changers two dispension changers....two age changers...from grace to grace/ law.....cya soon!









the two anointed the jewish are looking for are the two who are going to rebuild the temple.....these are the good two anointed that God gives power for 1260 days ....the antichrist and false prophet try to take the place of the two anointed just as Satan usurped the world from Adam and Eve this the lawless one and false prophet try to take the position of the two anointed during the millennium to no avail because the lawless one and false prophet end up in the lake of fire during the millennium. You do realize during the millennial kingdom which is David/ levitic that animal sacrifice will be reinstated according to jeremiah and ezekiel don’t ya?

The two anointed will rule during the millennium...one as king and the other as high priest on earth and Jesus rules from heaven as both King and High Priest. During the millenium the age of grace will be over....Jesus will rule from heaven with the raptured saints. The new age will be grace/ law combined . The two kingdoms of judah and ephraim will be reunited animal sacrifice will be done as a reminder of the sacrifice Jesus made and to purify the temple instruments and unintentional sin as the shekina glory will dwell in the temple. The law part will be for holiness and faith in Jesus part will still be needed for salvation.....how much faith would be required if Jesus himself was ruling on earth? Do you believe in Jesus...of course he’s right there...no faith needed for that....so he won’t be on earth during the millennium



For one thing Jesus himself stated his kingdom is not of this earth and he further stated his kingdom has no end. This earth at the end of the millennium will be done away with and a new heaven and new earth will be created that will never end....that is the kingdom Jesus will rule from and the former king and high priest of the former earth will sit at Jesus left and right for a reminder of the former davidic/ levitic kingdom.

he Christians see the heavenly ruler Jesus....the jewish see the two anointed earthly rulers.....that is why God divided the northern and southern kingdom and will send the 2 anointed to reunite the jewish and the Christians in the end. You don’t have 2 kingdoms and not blind both of them about certain things.... Christians can’t see the purpose of the 2 anointed but the jewish can... the jewish can’t see the purpose of Jesus but the christians can.... that’s why the 2 kingdoms are divided until the 2 anointed arrive to unite Judah and ephraim



Read the Dead Sea scrolls.... there is a king and high priest/ 2 anointed coming.... you look at the heavenly but deny the earthly... you have to look at both perspectives to get the full truth











When does the time come when you say to yourself “ why do I have no clue where my partner is”....71....72....80....when will it come? Instead of searching for what your purpose is....search for what your partners purpose is and then what is left will be what your purpose is.

Very simple process look at the two kingdoms/ nations....one masculine the other feminine...one 1 st born the other 2 Nd born...one kingly the other priestly. One the sceptre holder and the other the birthright holder. Then you appoint a representative to each kingdom which will have the same attributes and blessings as the kingdom they represent.

Notice one representative arrives before “ the great and terrible day of the lord” which is the destruction of that kingdom of Jacob/ Joseph/ ephraim/ United States....which means Elijah is the representative of that kingdom( flattering titles).the other anointed is the representative of the other kingdom...the kingdom of Judah the kingly nation. Search for your partners purpose and you will find what your purpose which is earthly king and Jesus will be heavenly King....your partner will be earthly high priest and Jesus heavenly High Priest. The two anointed are the earthly representatives of Jesus’ heavenly dual Kingship/ High Priesthood melchelzedek order throne the highest order as the earthly kingdom will only be davidic/ levitic which is a kingship and priesthood that have to be separated hence the need for two anointed one on the kings throne and the other on the high priest throne( and there will be peace between them both zechariah 6:13) and not just one anointed that way Jesus is higher than both anointed in throne as he is both King and High Priest and the two anointed divide the 2 offices. but you seem to have trouble with your vision until the fullness of the gentiles...so we will wait til then....lol...ask yourself why you can’t see what is very clear from a different perspective..the 2 Nd born perspective







At the end of the millennial reign of the two anointed messiah Ben David ( earthly king) and messiah Ben Joseph ( earthly high priest) these two will sit on the left and right of Jesus who is the heavenly King and High Priest( Melchelzedek order)....the purpose of the two anointed was to fulfill the covenant in genesis of the 2 having dominion over the whole earth....the 2 dominions being the kingship and the other dominion the high priesthood. The sitting on the left and right of Jesus is for the remembrance of the former worlds davidic/ levitic kingdom as the sun and moon covenant will be null according to the end of revelation as there will be no sun and moon after the millennium. Once the sun and moon covenant is null the davidic/ levitic kingdom will be null and there will no longer be need of animal sacrifice as stated in Jeremiah.


Ezekiel 37:24:

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

Jeremiah 33:20:

20 Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.



Revelation 21:23:

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.




David the 1000 plus years earthly king and Joseph the 1000 plus years earthly high priest.( millennial reign)this is why they sit on the left and right of Jesus in the new earth kingdom after the millennium


Notice the two anointed are given power for 1260 days during the tribulation... it is very likely they will reign for 1260 years in the millennium...1000 year reign and the season satan is loosed afterward most likely being 260 more years for a total of 1260 years... each of the 1260 days equaling 1260 years













Notice Jesus came to be a melchelzedek order King and High Priest which is a heavenly order kingship/ priesthood...only in heaven can one be king and high priest. On earth the kingship and priesthood are always separate offices and we see during the millennium the davidic/ levitic kingdom is reinstated making it impossible for Jesus to rule as both king and high priest on earth...therefore it is my understanding the two anointed or as Christians know them as the two witnesses will rule on earth one as king and the other as high priest as a shadow of the higher realm of heaven where Jesus will rule as both King and High Priest and people will still have to have faith in Jesus for salvation...for what is faith...faith is believing without seeing....if Jesus is on earth during the millennium how much faith would it take to believe him? The answer is none...but the shekina glory( Holy Spirit) will dwell in the temple that Jeremiah and ezekiel tell us will be set up during the millennium



Start at 8:00 minutes in.....I’m thinking some of my comments on some of his earlier videos may have influenced this sermon...lol





The purpose of the switching hands was to give the 2nd born the birthright and the 1st born the sceptre because there are 2 kingdoms/families...the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Joseph/ephraim(Ezekiel 37). These 2 kingdoms were divided north and south and both were conquered and taken into captivity. The northern kingdom of ephraim was conquered before the kingdom of Judah but only the southern kingdom of judah entered back into the land. The northern kingdom of ephraim was spread abroad.

In 1948 the kingdom of Judah entered back once again into the land...so now we wait for the northern kingdom of Joseph/Ephraim to be reunited once again and the borders of israel enlarged as is promised in the scriptures.
Ephraim is easy to find. The United States came forth from Britain which is a type of mannaseah and the younger nation being ephraim and if we look at the blessings the United States received it is clearly ephraim...a simple google search of the United States being ephraim can bring up more details.

So if the United States is joseph/ephraim and are the Christian nation then we have the birthright as we are considered the Joseph/ ephraim which is the 2nd born we we inherit the birthright through Jesus. The kingdom of Judah are the jewish and their inheritance is the sceptre(1 chronicles 5:2)

If you have two kingdoms and the final goal is to reunite the two kingdom/ families to make a Royal Priesthood nation...then when they were separated one must have been royal( kingly) and the other must have been priestly.
Judah is clearly the kingly as kings come from judah...therefore the birthright kingdom must be priestly.

When the age of grace comes to an end the book of Jeremiah and ezekiel tell us the davidic/levitic kingdom will be reinstated....temple worship and animal sacrifice also reinstated. Hebrews 8 tells us if there is another priesthood on earth during the millennium that Jesus himself couldn’t be high priest on earth and he wouldn’t want to be demoted to a levitic priest as Jesus priesthood is of the heavenly higher realm of the melchelzedek order. This is why Jesus will be ruling from heaven during the millennium and it will be the 2 witnesses ruling during the millennium...one a king and the other the high priest as these 2 anointed will each have been a representative over one of the two kingdoms....one from the line of Joseph who will possess the birthright will use the birthright to become high priest....and the other anointed from the line of Judah will hold the sceptre blessing and when the 2 kingdoms are united the one from judah will be the earthly king of all and the one from the birthright line of Joseph will be the earthly high priest of all and Jesus will be both King and High Priest of all ruling from heaven and people will still need faith to believe in Jesus otherwise if Jesus ruled from earth there would be no need for faith for faith is believing without seeing and if Jesus is on earth there would be no faith necessary.

Switching hands:




Start at 8:00 minutes:

If you can’t look at the 1 st born and 2 Nd born perspective and see the same outcome.....then your perspective Is a perspective not divided between 2 anointed......do you find you have the problem of only being 1 st born perspective or can you see both anointed position?






One day closer til the fullness of the gentiles ...one day closer to the partner waking up....won’t be long now til he can see his partner.













Revelation 12:

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne



Zechariah shows Joshua the high priest which is the position of one of the two witnesses. The book of zechariah is connected to the book of revelation so revelation 12 is the other anointed because in a davidic levitic kingdom you not only need a high priest you also need a davidic king so the man child is the king and Joshua is the high priest.


Something to notice....israel the Judah half is promised blindness and hardness of heart to seeing their brother until the fullness of the gentiles and this throne room scenario between Joshua and the man child will be right at the fullness of the gentiles which means this man child who will be the representative of the Judah southern kingdom will hold the rod of iron to rule the nation and if he is blind to seeing the other witness will assume the high priest position is also his position but that day the man child will have his eyes opened to seeing his brother in the throne room

The man child will be representative of the southern kingdom of judah....the other witness will be the representative of the northern kingdom( lost 10 tribes). The northern kingdom is the house of Joseph/Ephraim( United States)...therefore you have 2 representatives of the two kingdoms and if the two kingdoms are a judah and a joseph...then the two representatives are a judah and a joseph.....and we know Judah’s and Joseph’s don’t get along especially if the Judah is blind to seeing his brother til the fullness of the gentiles

So let’s read zechariah again knowing Joshua is receiving the high priest position when a judah representative can’t see the other anointed and believes all the blessings are to be given to the man child


Who would resist Joshua being given the high priest position? Well the zechariah says it is Satan....some interpretations say the adversary. When people read Satan they automatically assume it is Lucifer but that is not true in this scenario. If we remember Jesus called peter Satan when Peter said Jesus shouldn’t go to the cross. ...was Peter Lucifer of course not so Satan in the Hebrew simply means opponent or adversary...or accuser and this is what the manchild will do in the throne room....because in a davidic levitic kingdom the manchild can’t be king and high priest and if the manchild held both positions it would go against the earthly kingdom rules for the millennial reign....therefore the manchild will be playing the Satan role against Joshua the high priest and will be rebuked for it in the throne room before the two anointed return to earth and unite the two kingdoms of Judah and Joseph on earth making israel a united royal priesthood kingdom once again....let’s remember the northern and southern kingdom have been divided for over 2500 years and they never got along after the division....are we to believe the two representatives of the two kingdoms who can’t get along are going to be best friends without some divine intervention in the throne room....the throne room visit is to unite the two representatives so they can go back to earth to reunited the two kingdoms

If you see the word Christ that isn’t Jesus last name or always referring to Jesus...Christ means anointed...just as Satan isn’t the always meaning Lucifer...sometimes it means adversary...opponent...or accuser....and isn’t speaking about Lucifer at all.

Matthew 16:23

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”


















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Elijah

The midrash records a disagreement among the Rabbis concerning the origins of Elijah. Some argued that he was from the tribe of Gad, while others maintained that he was a Benjaminite. Elijah came and stood before them. He said to them: “My masters, why do you disagree about me? I am from the descendants of Rachel” (Gen. Rabbah 71:9). This midrash is connected to the fundamental Rabbinic disagreement as to whether the harbinger of the Redemption will be from the offspring of Rachel or from those of Leah. Thus, we see that the rivalry between the two sisters did not come to an end but even pertains to the identity of the herald of the future Redemption.

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Twister and distorter of scripture

Now that ppl understand that rulers and law givers

Have been removed from between Judah feet

Becsuse Shiloh has come

This branch you talk about

Should have been grafted into the melchisedec order with zero questions asked

But as always those vest suited to squire power

Have been the least suited to wield power

I made this is 2012

Thread: Signs of the two Brother tribes Ephraim(Britain) and Manasseh(America).......

Hopefully by now you have learned your thread is backward..... ephraim is the younger son with the greater blessing therefore the United States is the younger son ephraim with the greater blessing and Britain is Manasseh





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Nonsense. Great Britain had a more distinguished history than America with a proper empire unlike the single nation of America.

Genesis 35:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

So even if you can’t see ephraim is to be the younger brother and the more blessed nation which the United States is both. Notice the United States is made up of 50 separate states which make up the whole nation of the 50 United States

Also notice when Deuteronomy is talking about the population of ephraim and Manasseh it states the ten thousands of ephraim and the only the thousand of Manasseh...notice the United States population is 329 million and brittain is only 67 million....which again shows us ephraim is the greater blessed ...greater population...and younger of the two....the younger son gets the ephraim blessing and brittain is clearly the older son manasseah

Deuteronomy 33:17

His glory is like a firstborn bull, And his horns like the horns of the wild ox; Together with them He shall push the peoples To the ends of the earth; They are the ten thousands of Ephraim, And they are the thousands of Manasseh.”

You forget to count all the members of the commonwealth and also America is mixed with all tribes of Israel. It is not just one people.

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. Manasseh was to become great AFTER Ephraim!

Your article read:
“There are Rabbinical explanations that say the crossing over of the hands did not change the relative importance of the two but it did change the time schedule. From now on Ephraim was to receive his blessing BEFORE Manasseh.”
That is how the rabbis try to explain it but there are no scriptures to back that opinion up.



There is a clear pattern the 2 Nd born gets the birthright and the better blessing/ double portion....The United States is clearly both of those

Look at the pattern Isaac 2 Nd born....Jacob 2 Nd born...Joseph 2 Nd born blessing....ephraim 2 Nd born.....all birthright holders because they receive the 2 Nd born blessing....brittain isn’t a 2 Nd born....therefore brittain is manaseah


Here is a video explaining the 2 Nd born gets the birthright which would be the United States as Ephraim.....start at 8:00 minutes in if you don’t have patience for a video...lol



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In the Biblical account, Joseph is one of the two children of Rachel and Jacob, a brother to Benjamin, and father to both Ephraim, and his first son, Manasseh; Ephraim received the blessing of the firstborn, although Manasseh was the eldest, because Jacob foresaw that Ephraim's descendants would be greater than his ...

Manasseh was the first born. He should have got the greater blessings but his younger brother Ephraim did. You are clearly in ignorance

18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.

19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

America was never a multitude of nations.

Neither of us will convince the other so we can just leave it at that....I can see the pattern of the 2 Nd born receiving the greater blessing and you can’t understand that brittain was the 1 st born and the United States was the 2 Nd born and 2 Nd borns are entitled to the birthright blessing...show me how brittain is the 2 Nd born and the United States is 1 st born...you can’t do it because brittain was in existence first....the United States after...that is how you determine who is who by who was 1 st and who was 2 Nd......2 Nd gets the birthright blessing which the United States has and makes the United States ephraim.

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You cant refute this op

Britain and the common wealth are the multitude of nations. America isnt. The end. Lol

The United States has 50 separate states and we are the melting pot of the world....read your own post....the younger son is ephraim....the United States is younger than brittain...therefore brittain has to be manasseah and the younger United States is ephraim.....if you can’t see it....then perhaps you don’t want to see it because you aren’t from the United States and you try to bring the blessing upon yourself.

So next time you go ripping off one of my threads, at least learn to get it right 'waterman'

Lol i knew you would be in denial about it. Your whole thread is based on a lie. How is America a multitude of nations? It is clearly not. It is one single nation and no matter how much dishonest weaseling you do, you can not overcome this fact.

Britain and the Common Wealth are clearly the multitude of nations and Ephraim. The end.

Let’s agree to disagree....lol

If my memory serves me correct you are the one who didn’t believe the writings of Paul so you don’t believe between 8 - 13 book of the New Testament that are attributed to Paul ...is this correct?

There are only 27 books in the New Testament ..so nearly one third to half of it you don’t believe....must make it hard to get heads or tails of what is being revealed in the new covenant.

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