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Self recognition cannot serve God. And I am not blind as once, but I see (Isa.48:6 kjv) thus your concept of who you think you are shall shortly be eliminated. Perhaps not too late for repentance




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One has to recognize who they are to fulfill their call. So in order to serve God one has to know what their service will be.

The house of Judah doesn't think they are blind either as far as Isaiah 48 that is speaking about Jacob the 2nd born the representative of the house of Jacob. You are not that representative. You are the representative of the other kingdom the house of Judah and you see exactly as they see...overlooking your brother jacob the 2nd born...I tell you who I am so you can see who you are and who you aren't...there are rules on earth that have to be abided by...you can't mix kingship with high preisthood on earth...you can't be 1st born and 2nd born...it's the little details that matter...lol

There are 2 kingdoms the southern kingdom of Judah and the northern kingdom of ephraim/joseph. There are 2 representatives one for each kingdom...a judah representative and a joseph representative hence the need for 2 anointed and not just one

As for being eliminated shortly lol...I yet have 2 years in prison and a little less than a year battle where I'm killed before I get my ticket to the throne room where your eyes will be opened to who we both are. Then we come back you raise me from the dead and we start our 1260 day ministry where I shut off the water In the world and you turn the remaining water to blood. We build the final temple.....gather the 2 kingdoms we represent and unite them into one kingdom where you become earthly king and I become earthly high priest...as we seen from revelation 12 you get your sceptre and we see from zechariah 3 I get my high priest raiment.

We finish our ministry die side by side...head to heaven for 3 and a half years then return to earth as you the king and me the high priest of a reunited northern and southern kingdom of Israel to deal with the salvation of the jues and apocalypse survivors for the duration of the 1000 year millennium plus the short season satan is loosed. After that the new heaven and new earth are created where Jesus reigns....I will sit on his left and you will sit at his right as an eternal reminder of the former davidic/levitic kingdom of the former earth!




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How hard is it to understand there are 2 anointed not just one anointed ......you aren’t both anointed you are only Judah...lol

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Revelation 2:10:

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Just as 1 week is 7 years.....10 days is 10 years

We know the 10 days is 10 years because Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts and he will fulfill the final fall feasts and that 10 day span between the feast days each day represents a year for a total of 10 years.

Every year you have 10 days between Rosh Hashanah and Day of atonement ...this again is showing a shadow of a 10 year tribulation before Jesus steps foot on the mount of olives on the day of atonement







September 19 2020 Rosh Hashanah/Feast of trumpets + 1150 days cleansing of temple/Jacobs trouble = November 13 2023 Beginning of 7 year tribulation + 1260 days = April 26 2027 passover/death of the two witnesses + 1260 days = October 7 2030 Yom Kippur/day of atonement/Jesus return to mount of olives + 45 + 30 more days(Daniel 12) = haunakuk 2030

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Still can’t see the Judah and Joseph connection yet sword...the promise of God blinding Judah until the fullness of the gentiles..it’s unfolding right before you yet you can’t see it...hmmmm...strange but not really because God blinds who he blinds....have a good night...til the fullness of the gentiles partner.
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The Bible is made up of parables which means stories with a hidden and deeper meaningS

The reason people can’t figure out if the two anointed are Moses and Elijah or Joshua and zerrubbabel or Moses and Aaron etc is because all these stories all are shadows of the two anointed because one anointed will be the earthly civil leader and the other anointed will be the earthly high priest during the millennium

If you study your bible you will know the millennial kingdom on earth is a davidic levitic kingdom which means separation of kingship and the priesthood....this is why Jesus can not rule from earth during the millenium due to separation of kingship and priesthood...therefore the need for the two anointed to fill these two offices on earth as the millennium is to deal with the salvation of the Jues....the bride and tribulation saints will be reigning with Jesus from heaven during the millennium....that is why there is a need for two anointed to have reign on earth and to work with the salvation of the Jues as the Jues asked for an earthly king therefore God will give them what they ask for for 1000 year millennium until the new heaven and new earth where Jesus will rule from forevermore

Remember Jesus himself stated “my kingdom is not of this earth”....also Jesus stated there is no end to his kingdom....we know this earths kingdom does come to an end after the millennium when the new earth is created.

The two anointed will sit on the left and right of Jesus on the new earth as a reminder of the former davidic levitic kingdom of the former earth for eternity.....pretty simple to see the position of the two anointed


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Nothing is happening this year? I wish you would have informed me of this before I ordered the shofar yesterday that looks like the one in this picture below...it’s four foot long. I ordered the leather sling for it today.....they are coming from Israel

Now your time line is wrong if you think the two witnesses die March 21 as Jesus comes to the mount of olives October 7 2030 on the day of atonement to fulfill the fall feasts at his second coming as he did the spring feasts at his first coming so backing up 1260 days when the two witnesses die that puts them dying April 26 2027 on Passover just as Jesus did....back up another 1260 days puts you at November 13 being the start of 7 year trib....back up another 1150 days Jacobs trouble (Daniel chapter 8:14) puts you at September 19 which is rosh hashannah....back up another 30 days is the first of Elul which should be the arrival of Elijah


The shofar is to be blown everyday except Shabbat up to Elul 29...skip that day....blow the shofar on the two days of rosh hashannah and the final trump of the shofar is on the day of atonement/Yom Kippur....hence the need for the shofar.



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...there are rules on earth that have to be abided by...you can't mix kingship with high preisthood on earth...you can't be 1st born and 2nd born...it's the little details that matter...
 Quoting: waterman


Old Testament the natural nation would become kings and priests. New Testament this would be Spiritual and extended to all the faithful.

Jesus was related to John The Baptist(alternate High Priest) through His maternal line and inherited BOTH royalty and priesthood when the elder priest was executed.

Adam had his side opened(cell split) and an X chromosome removed to make Eve(nothing to do with Baphomet crown Cabalah Tree heinous insanity created by fake-yoo ancient Satanist pagans who didn't understand cell biology) Adam was, in a sense, father of Eve and there is an alternate patrilineal line which alternates between males and females.
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...there are rules on earth that have to be abided by...you can't mix kingship with high preisthood on earth...you can't be 1st born and 2nd born...it's the little details that matter...
 Quoting: waterman


Old Testament the natural nation would become kings and priests. New Testament this would be Spiritual and extended to all the faithful.

Jesus was related to John The Baptist(alternate High Priest) through His maternal line and inherited BOTH royalty and priesthood when the elder priest was executed.

Adam had his side opened(cell split) and an X chromosome removed to make Eve(nothing to do with Baphomet crown Cabalah Tree heinous insanity created by fake-yoo ancient Satanist pagans who didn't understand cell biology) Adam was, in a sense, father of Eve and there is an alternate patrilineal line which alternates between males and females.
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John the Baptist was a levitic priest....Jesus is a melchelzedek order High Priest....Jesus has no interest in being a levitic order high priest as that would demote Jesus to a lesser priesthood.....but thanks for your post.

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My response:

...there are rules on earth that have to be abided by...you can't mix kingship with high preisthood on earth...you can't be 1st born and 2nd born...it's the little details that matter...
 Quoting: waterman


Old Testament the natural nation would become kings and priests. New Testament this would be Spiritual and extended to all the faithful.

Jesus was related to John The Baptist(alternate High Priest) through His maternal line and inherited BOTH royalty and priesthood when the elder priest was executed.

Adam had his side opened(cell split) and an X chromosome removed to make Eve(nothing to do with Baphomet crown Cabalah Tree heinous insanity created by fake-yoo ancient Satanist pagans who didn't understand cell biology) Adam was, in a sense, father of Eve and there is an alternate patrilineal line which alternates between males and females.
 Quoting: BEIGEALERT! 78109288



John the Baptist was a levitic priest....Jesus is a melchelzedek order High Priest....Jesus has no interest in being a levitic order high priest as that would demote Jesus to a lesser priesthood.....but thanks for your post.
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This is the point Paul was making.

There is the Spiritual and the natural. Paul wanted everyone to stop following the natural Levitic priesthood and concentrate on the transcendent Spiritual Order.

It was still important for Jesus to be natural Judean/Josephite/Aaronic royalty/priesthood to qualify for messiah.
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My response:

...there are rules on earth that have to be abided by...you can't mix kingship with high preisthood on earth...you can't be 1st born and 2nd born...it's the little details that matter...
 Quoting: waterman


Old Testament the natural nation would become kings and priests. New Testament this would be Spiritual and extended to all the faithful.

Jesus was related to John The Baptist(alternate High Priest) through His maternal line and inherited BOTH royalty and priesthood when the elder priest was executed.

Adam had his side opened(cell split) and an X chromosome removed to make Eve(nothing to do with Baphomet crown Cabalah Tree heinous insanity created by fake-yoo ancient Satanist pagans who didn't understand cell biology) Adam was, in a sense, father of Eve and there is an alternate patrilineal line which alternates between males and females.
 Quoting: BEIGEALERT! 78109288



John the Baptist was a levitic priest....Jesus is a melchelzedek order High Priest....Jesus has no interest in being a levitic order high priest as that would demote Jesus to a lesser priesthood.....but thanks for your post.
 Quoting: waterman


This is the point Paul was making.

There is the Spiritual and the natural. Paul wanted everyone to stop following the natural Levitic priesthood and concentrate on the transcendent Spiritual Order.

It was still important for Jesus to be natural Judean/Josephite/Aaronic royalty/priesthood to qualify for messiah.
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Jesus wasn’t from the line of Aaron Only the line of Judah


Hebrews 7

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


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Old Testament the natural nation would become kings and priests. New Testament this would be Spiritual and extended to all the faithful.

Jesus was related to John The Baptist(alternate High Priest) through His maternal line and inherited BOTH royalty and priesthood when the elder priest was executed.

Adam had his side opened(cell split) and an X chromosome removed to make Eve(nothing to do with Baphomet crown Cabalah Tree heinous insanity created by fake-yoo ancient Satanist pagans who didn't understand cell biology) Adam was, in a sense, father of Eve and there is an alternate patrilineal line which alternates between males and females.
 Quoting: BEIGEALERT! 78109288



John the Baptist was a levitic priest....Jesus is a melchelzedek order High Priest....Jesus has no interest in being a levitic order high priest as that would demote Jesus to a lesser priesthood.....but thanks for your post.
 Quoting: waterman


This is the point Paul was making.

There is the Spiritual and the natural. Paul wanted everyone to stop following the natural Levitic priesthood and concentrate on the transcendent Spiritual Order.

It was still important for Jesus to be natural Judean/Josephite/Aaronic royalty/priesthood to qualify for messiah.
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Jesus wasn’t from the line of Aaron Only the line of Judah


Hebrews 7

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


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I suspect Moses was Y chromosome Judean. There are a lot of odd aspects to his parentage is Tanak and ancient traditions.
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Nothing is happening this year? I wish you would have informed me of this before I ordered the shofar yesterday that looks like the one in this picture below...it’s four foot long. I ordered the leather sling for it today.....they are coming from Israel

Now your time line is wrong if you think the two witnesses die March 21 as Jesus comes to the mount of olives October 7 2030 on the day of atonement to fulfill the fall feasts at his second coming as he did the spring feasts at his first coming so backing up 1260 days when the two witnesses die that puts them dying April 26 2027 on Passover just as Jesus did....back up another 1260 days puts you at November 13 being the start of 7 year trib....back up another 1150 days Jacobs trouble (Daniel chapter 8:14) puts you at September 19 which is rosh hashannah....back up another 30 days is the first of Elul which should be the arrival of Elijah


The shofar is to be blown everyday except Shabbat up to Elul 29...skip that day....blow the shofar on the two days of rosh hashannah and the final trump of the shofar is on the day of atonement/Yom Kippur....hence the need for the shofar.



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You act like a single anointed......there are two a king and a high priest and you are only the king....learn your place....it’s easy if you study....shouldn’t take 45 years to learn your place.....unless of course God blinds the Judah’s.....

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1st borns/civil leaders show reluctance .....2nd born steps up....suddenly the 1st born is ready after it is too late for that plan...then you have contention between the 1st born and the 2nd born ......but that is the plan that the 1st born can’t see but the second born can.....it starts Union then division and then union In the end .....one of the simplest patterns in the Bible if you have even studied for a year.
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Psalm 55 is Jacobs trouble...being Jacob is the 2nd born birthright holder and you aren’t the 2nd born but are the 1st born sceptre holder then psalm 55 is talking about your partner not you

It is exactly what happened to us we had sweet council for exactly 3.5 years.....I went into a spiritual prison for 10 years and when I was released 10 years later and found out who I was and began to tell you and then your demeanor toward me changed. Notice they shared sweet council until the other anointed found out who he was then half of what you thought was yours became the other anointeds...also the one who becomes the enemy is the one who was the teacher/guide......guess what I wasn’t the guide therefore it narrows it down to who the enemy is in psalm 55

You have to have the dividing of beauty and bands....that the one doesn’t become dependent on the other.

Notice when I showed you how the two offices are divided and how the blessings were divided you magnified yourself and claimed kingship/sceptre holder man-child (revelation 12) and then went on to claim the high priest position of Joshua in zechariah...you claimed masculine feminine...kingship priesthood...birthright sceptre...1st born 2nd born...any titles, blessings, offices or callings you claimed them all....lol...only half of the titles, blessings, offices, and callings are yours...the other anointed will receive the other half

Ezekiel 37 shows us we are working with Judah and Joseph and we know you are david which places you in the blessing of the sceptre which makes you judah

So psalm 55 is about you and me only you aren’t the one you think you are...you are the enemy of the 2nd born just as happens over and over in the volume of the book between the 1st born and 2nd borns....and I see you aren’t going to break the cycle because I see in zechariah Joshua the high priest has an adversary in the throne room protesting Joshuas position....but notice over in revelation 12 nobody is protesting the manchild receiving the sceptre....hmmm strange only Joshua the high priest has an adversary in the throne room but the manchild has no adversary protesting his sceptre position

We will have dominion on earth over the reunited northern and southern kingdom....you the king and me the high priest...God dealt with the Christians during the 2000 year age of grace...the age will come to an end and then the Jues will be dealt with on earth during the millennium with the combination of faith in Jesus and the law for holiness


Notice it is not an enemy as you stated:
Learn to read the word in its context...lol
You have 2 who started as friends then the guide turns against the other anointed when he learns the other anointed receives half the blessings he thought was his.....see how this is all falling into place?....you may not til the fullness of the gentiles but I see it clearly already...lol


Psalm 55:

12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:

13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.

14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.


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Get the story straight and stop making up more of your false-hood beliefs. it was not my demeanor that changed toward you, but your demeanor changed toward me once your spouse told you to stop discussing spiritual matters with me.

As far as all your other imaginary beliefs mostly made-up to fit into a paradigm of your own making. To fit into your own order of self desired prophecy. I once told you prophecy must follow the individual rather than that individual following after the prophecy. It never quite lines up to the truth when telling your own story of its meaning. The truth must be replaced with a different meaning to accomplish the goal of self fulfilled prophecy not meant for that character.

Nevertheless, I am in agreement with you that time will reveal the truthfulness of the meanings of all prophecy and the fulfillment of all the purposes of God's plan. Just don't be too dismayed when you finally discover you're not that high in the order of things to come...lol. As far as that goes none of us are. We are but pawns in a greater plan and servants to a higher order, regardless of that purpose.

As far as my demeanor changing. Why would I care what position you hold or believe you one day will hold? As far as I am concerned you can hold both positions of those two witnesses. It makes little difference to me.

My only concern is the BS you are seeking to feed other sinners and saints concerning who you think you are and how you twist the Scriptures to confuse and justified what is not a truth but a conjecture of your truth. Not to persuade others toward Christ but to con others to believe only in who you claim you are (one of the two witnesses.)

As for me I never sought any position and never considered myself worthy of any calling. I am just thankful the Lord consider me in his great plan of salvation. I am satisfied completely with that order, as a common saint. Any other calling is not of my concern but His toward my service of such a responsibility to Him.

Please do everyone a favor and stop positing your ubiquitous graphs, charts, depictions of a king, priest and a prophet...which doesn't even line-up to the point you seek to make about a king and a priest as the two witnesses..what's the meaning of the prophet in the picture..a stand-in in case someone gets sick..lol.

Your not only making a claim that is not truthful according to scripture, but the Word of God never once makes any such claim they will be a king or a priest. They are declared to be two prophets in (Rev.11KJV.) And the word prophet in this vernacular according to strong concordance can mean (a prophet or prophetess.) Stop making claims that are not written in the Word but claims made by your own belief system. Anytime we begin to make claims in accordance with our own beliefs it is called a CULT.

I don' doubt you are sincere in making your claims. What I do question is who your loyalty is toward ..you or Jesus Christ. You seem to be quick to lambast everyone who doesn't agree with your far-out claims of scriptural discernment.

You are beginning to sound like that PJ character on his own website who condemns every soul who questions him or disagrees with his silly claim of being that self important witness. Yet, he seems to have very little knowledge of or any understanding of the deep things of the Word or that prophet's writings of/in the Book of Enoch.

Yet, men such as him will continue to seek to intimidate all good men/women seeking the understanding of the truth. Thus, substituting the truth with a lie. Until such men as these no longer are welcomed by their peers and men/women of discernment, who cannot be easily deceived by calling others (son's/daughter's of Satan,) such silly hubris claims of self importance will continue until the end is accomplished.

Now that I have aligned you up with PJ (a fellow ally.) Perhaps you can start agreeing on subject matters that will glorify both your positions as those two self proclaimed witnesses...lol... good luck with that task....lol.

I know you like me and others posting on your thread periodically or often. You enjoy the recognition of the importance of your own words and idioms. Nevertheless, all the post you write or all that you receive will not be a consolation when you stand before the Judgement seat of Christ, and that judgement executed by that righteous judge. You might want to relay that message to your new ally PJ as well.
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Psalm 55 is Jacobs trouble...being Jacob is the 2nd born birthright holder and you aren’t the 2nd born but are the 1st born sceptre holder then psalm 55 is talking about your partner not you

It is exactly what happened to us we had sweet council for exactly 3.5 years.....I went into a spiritual prison for 10 years and when I was released 10 years later and found out who I was and began to tell you and then your demeanor toward me changed. Notice they shared sweet council until the other anointed found out who he was then half of what you thought was yours became the other anointeds...also the one who becomes the enemy is the one who was the teacher/guide......guess what I wasn’t the guide therefore it narrows it down to who the enemy is in psalm 55

You have to have the dividing of beauty and bands....that the one doesn’t become dependent on the other.

Notice when I showed you how the two offices are divided and how the blessings were divided you magnified yourself and claimed kingship/sceptre holder man-child (revelation 12) and then went on to claim the high priest position of Joshua in zechariah...you claimed masculine feminine...kingship priesthood...birthright sceptre...1st born 2nd born...any titles, blessings, offices or callings you claimed them all....lol...only half of the titles, blessings, offices, and callings are yours...the other anointed will receive the other half

Ezekiel 37 shows us we are working with Judah and Joseph and we know you are david which places you in the blessing of the sceptre which makes you judah

So psalm 55 is about you and me only you aren’t the one you think you are...you are the enemy of the 2nd born just as happens over and over in the volume of the book between the 1st born and 2nd borns....and I see you aren’t going to break the cycle because I see in zechariah Joshua the high priest has an adversary in the throne room protesting Joshuas position....but notice over in revelation 12 nobody is protesting the manchild receiving the sceptre....hmmm strange only Joshua the high priest has an adversary in the throne room but the manchild has no adversary protesting his sceptre position

We will have dominion on earth over the reunited northern and southern kingdom....you the king and me the high priest...God dealt with the Christians during the 2000 year age of grace...the age will come to an end and then the Jues will be dealt with on earth during the millennium with the combination of faith in Jesus and the law for holiness


Notice it is not an enemy as you stated:
Learn to read the word in its context...lol
You have 2 who started as friends then the guide turns against the other anointed when he learns the other anointed receives half the blessings he thought was his.....see how this is all falling into place?....you may not til the fullness of the gentiles but I see it clearly already...lol


Psalm 55:

12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:

13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.

14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.


JOSEPHANDJUDAH50
 Quoting: waterman

Get the story straight and stop making up more of your false-hood beliefs. it was not my demeanor that changed toward you, but your demeanor changed toward me once your spouse told you to stop discussing spiritual matters with me.

As far as all your other imaginary beliefs mostly made-up to fit into a paradigm of your own making. To fit into your own order of self desired prophecy. I once told you prophecy must follow the individual rather than that individual following after the prophecy. It never quite lines up to the truth when telling your own story of its meaning. The truth must be replaced with a different meaning to accomplish the goal of self fulfilled prophecy not meant for that character.

Nevertheless, I am in agreement with you that time will reveal the truthfulness of the meanings of all prophecy and the fulfillment of all the purposes of God's plan. Just don't be too dismayed when you finally discover you're not that high in the order of things to come...lol. As far as that goes none of us are. We are but pawns in a greater plan and servants to a higher order, regardless of that purpose.

As far as my demeanor changing. Why would I care what position you hold or believe you one day will hold? As far as I am concerned you can hold both positions of those two witnesses. It makes little difference to me.

My only concern is the BS you are seeking to feed other sinners and saints concerning who you think you are and how you twist the Scriptures to confuse and justified what is not a truth but a conjecture of your truth. Not to persuade others toward Christ but to con others to believe only in who you claim you are (one of the two witnesses.)

As for me I never sought any position and never considered myself worthy of any calling. I am just thankful the Lord consider me in his great plan of salvation. I am satisfied completely with that order, as a common saint. Any other calling is not of my concern but His toward my service of such a responsibility to Him.

Please do everyone a favor and stop positing your ubiquitous graphs, charts, depictions of a king, priest and a prophet...which doesn't even line-up to the point you seek to make about a king and a priest as the two witnesses..what's the meaning of the prophet in the picture..a stand-in in case someone gets sick..lol.

Your not only making a claim that is not truthful according to scripture, but the Word of God never once makes any such claim they will be a king or a priest. They are declared to be two prophets in (Rev.11KJV.) And the word prophet in this vernacular according to strong concordance can mean (a prophet or prophetess.) Stop making claims that are not written in the Word but claims made by your own belief system. Anytime we begin to make claims in accordance with our own beliefs it is called a CULT.

I don' doubt you are sincere in making your claims. What I do question is who your loyalty is toward ..you or Jesus Christ. You seem to be quick to lambast everyone who doesn't agree with your far-out claims of scriptural discernment.

You are beginning to sound like that PJ character on his own website who condemns every soul who questions him or disagrees with his silly claim of being that self important witness. Yet, he seems to have very little knowledge of or any understanding of the deep things of the Word or that prophet's writings of/in the Book of Enoch.

Yet, men such as him will continue to seek to intimidate all good men/women seeking the understanding of the truth. Thus, substituting the truth with a lie. Until such men as these no longer are welcomed by their peers and men/women of discernment, who cannot be easily deceived by calling others (son's/daughter's of Satan,) such silly hubris claims of self importance will continue until the end is accomplished.

Now that I have aligned you up with PJ (a fellow ally.) Perhaps you can start agreeing on subject matters that will glorify both your positions as those two self proclaimed witnesses...lol... good luck with that task....lol.

I know you like me and others posting on your thread periodically or often. You enjoy the recognition of the importance of being your own words and idioms. Nevertheless, all the post you write or all that you receive will not be a consolation when you stand before the Judgement seat of Christ, and that judgement executed by that righteous judge. You might want to relay that message to your new ally PJ as well.
 Quoting: S-wordlike


The one in the middle isn’t an extra prophet it is showing the two witnesses sitting on the left and right of Jesus.....Jesus being of the higher melchelzedek order both King and High Priest and the two anointed being of the lower davidic levitic order divide the two offices because Jesus’ reign during the millennium will be from heaven with the saints and the two anointed s reign will be on earth dealing with the salvation of the reunited northern and southern kingdom Israel and the survivors of armeghedon

leftrightkingpri



You know as well as I do David is the earthly king scripture states it over and over which leaves one position open which is the high priest. We see the second prince in ezekiel 46 performing the high priest duties and being he is a land owning high priest means he isn’t levitic because Levi s can’t own land which means he must be using the birthright to be high priest and we know from 1 chronicles 5:2 who owns the birthright and that is joseph

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Re: Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre
Psalm 55 is Jacobs trouble...being Jacob is the 2nd born birthright holder and you aren’t the 2nd born but are the 1st born sceptre holder then psalm 55 is talking about your partner not you

It is exactly what happened to us we had sweet council for exactly 3.5 years.....I went into a spiritual prison for 10 years and when I was released 10 years later and found out who I was and began to tell you and then your demeanor toward me changed. Notice they shared sweet council until the other anointed found out who he was then half of what you thought was yours became the other anointeds...also the one who becomes the enemy is the one who was the teacher/guide......guess what I wasn’t the guide therefore it narrows it down to who the enemy is in psalm 55

You have to have the dividing of beauty and bands....that the one doesn’t become dependent on the other.

Notice when I showed you how the two offices are divided and how the blessings were divided you magnified yourself and claimed kingship/sceptre holder man-child (revelation 12) and then went on to claim the high priest position of Joshua in zechariah...you claimed masculine feminine...kingship priesthood...birthright sceptre...1st born 2nd born...any titles, blessings, offices or callings you claimed them all....lol...only half of the titles, blessings, offices, and callings are yours...the other anointed will receive the other half

Ezekiel 37 shows us we are working with Judah and Joseph and we know you are david which places you in the blessing of the sceptre which makes you judah

So psalm 55 is about you and me only you aren’t the one you think you are...you are the enemy of the 2nd born just as happens over and over in the volume of the book between the 1st born and 2nd borns....and I see you aren’t going to break the cycle because I see in zechariah Joshua the high priest has an adversary in the throne room protesting Joshuas position....but notice over in revelation 12 nobody is protesting the manchild receiving the sceptre....hmmm strange only Joshua the high priest has an adversary in the throne room but the manchild has no adversary protesting his sceptre position

We will have dominion on earth over the reunited northern and southern kingdom....you the king and me the high priest...God dealt with the Christians during the 2000 year age of grace...the age will come to an end and then the Jues will be dealt with on earth during the millennium with the combination of faith in Jesus and the law for holiness


Notice it is not an enemy as you stated:
Learn to read the word in its context...lol
You have 2 who started as friends then the guide turns against the other anointed when he learns the other anointed receives half the blessings he thought was his.....see how this is all falling into place?....you may not til the fullness of the gentiles but I see it clearly already...lol


Psalm 55:

12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:

13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.

14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.


JOSEPHANDJUDAH50
 Quoting: waterman

Get the story straight and stop making up more of your false-hood beliefs. it was not my demeanor that changed toward you, but your demeanor changed toward me once your spouse told you to stop discussing spiritual matters with me.

As far as all your other imaginary beliefs mostly made-up to fit into a paradigm of your own making. To fit into your own order of self desired prophecy. I once told you prophecy must follow the individual rather than that individual following after the prophecy. It never quite lines up to the truth when telling your own story of its meaning. The truth must be replaced with a different meaning to accomplish the goal of self fulfilled prophecy not meant for that character.

Nevertheless, I am in agreement with you that time will reveal the truthfulness of the meanings of all prophecy and the fulfillment of all the purposes of God's plan. Just don't be too dismayed when you finally discover you're not that high in the order of things to come...lol. As far as that goes none of us are. We are but pawns in a greater plan and servants to a higher order, regardless of that purpose.

As far as my demeanor changing. Why would I care what position you hold or believe you one day will hold? As far as I am concerned you can hold both positions of those two witnesses. It makes little difference to me.

My only concern is the BS you are seeking to feed other sinners and saints concerning who you think you are and how you twist the Scriptures to confuse and justified what is not a truth but a conjecture of your truth. Not to persuade others toward Christ but to con others to believe only in who you claim you are (one of the two witnesses.)

As for me I never sought any position and never considered myself worthy of any calling. I am just thankful the Lord consider me in his great plan of salvation. I am satisfied completely with that order, as a common saint. Any other calling is not of my concern but His toward my service of such a responsibility to Him.

Please do everyone a favor and stop positing your ubiquitous graphs, charts, depictions of a king, priest and a prophet...which doesn't even line-up to the point you seek to make about a king and a priest as the two witnesses..what's the meaning of the prophet in the picture..a stand-in in case someone gets sick..lol.

Your not only making a claim that is not truthful according to scripture, but the Word of God never once makes any such claim they will be a king or a priest. They are declared to be two prophets in (Rev.11KJV.) And the word prophet in this vernacular according to strong concordance can mean (a prophet or prophetess.) Stop making claims that are not written in the Word but claims made by your own belief system. Anytime we begin to make claims in accordance with our own beliefs it is called a CULT.

I don' doubt you are sincere in making your claims. What I do question is who your loyalty is toward ..you or Jesus Christ. You seem to be quick to lambast everyone who doesn't agree with your far-out claims of scriptural discernment.

You are beginning to sound like that PJ character on his own website who condemns every soul who questions him or disagrees with his silly claim of being that self important witness. Yet, he seems to have very little knowledge of or any understanding of the deep things of the Word or that prophet's writings of/in the Book of Enoch.

Yet, men such as him will continue to seek to intimidate all good men/women seeking the understanding of the truth. Thus, substituting the truth with a lie. Until such men as these no longer are welcomed by their peers and men/women of discernment, who cannot be easily deceived by calling others (son's/daughter's of Satan,) such silly hubris claims of self importance will continue until the end is accomplished.

Now that I have aligned you up with PJ (a fellow ally.) Perhaps you can start agreeing on subject matters that will glorify both your positions as those two self proclaimed witnesses...lol... good luck with that task....lol.

I know you like me and others posting on your thread periodically or often. You enjoy the recognition of the importance of being your own words and idioms. Nevertheless, all the post you write or all that you receive will not be a consolation when you stand before the Judgement seat of Christ, and that judgement executed by that righteous judge. You might want to relay that message to your new ally PJ as well.
 Quoting: S-wordlike


The one in the middle isn’t an extra prophet it is showing the two witnesses sitting on the left and right of Jesus.....Jesus being of the higher melchelzedek order both King and High Priest and the two anointed being of the lower davidic levitic order divide the two offices because Jesus’ reign during the millennium will be from heaven with the saints and the two anointed s reign will be on earth dealing with the salvation of the reunited northern and southern kingdom Israel and the survivors of armeghedon

leftrightkingpri



You know as well as I do David is the earthly king scripture states it over and over which leaves one position open which is the high priest. We see the second prince in ezekiel 46 performing the high priest duties and being he is a land owning high priest means he isn’t levitic because Levi s can’t own land which means he must be using the birthright to be high priest and we know from 1 chronicles 5:2 who owns the birthright and that is joseph
 Quoting: waterman


Come on anybody with eyes can see the guy on the left is not symbolic of a priest but a prophet. You cannot make the story up as you go along! It simply depicts the different offices of God's representatives on earth in Israel.

It has nothing to do with two witnesses fulfilling office's procured because Jesus' sacrifice wasn't sufficient to fulfill both those position as the true sacrificial lamb of God as King and High Priest... give me a break. We are now called both priests and kings as the redeemed children of our Lord and God. Thus, we are of the Royal (kings) and priesthood (priest) now that Jesus accomplished his commission

(1Peter.2:9KJV) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

(Rev.1:6KJV)
And hath made us kings and priest unto God and his Father.

Therefore we as his children will be both kings and priest in the earthly/heavenly kingdom. Not some kings and some priest. Otherwise the rest of the verse would mean only half would therefore be a chosen generation. Only a portion of the redeemed would be a holy nation, I guess you believe the rest will be an unholy nation. And only a group would be a peculiar people.

Why? Because apparently you believe God couldn't, wouldn't or didn't finish the task He set out to accomplish (yet Jesus said "it is finished" on the cross.) To make us one people, one nation, and one royal priesthood, in and thru his dear Son. That we might be conformed to the image of his Son now and forever.

(Rom.8:29KJV) For whom he foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son.

Now I have contended about this and many other subjects like this through the years with you and you keep returning to the same old falsehood that you believe in. Why? Because it conveniently places you in a position of a high priest during the millennium age and one of the two witnesses during the tribulation times.

Yet scripture revealed that the prince in/of Israel in (Ezek.40-48KJV) is performing the office of royal and priestly duties. And that prince is not identified as two separate individuals.

For in the Hebrew linguistics that prince is recognized as the word "NASI" which means king, prince, ruler, or governor but never priest. So your version of the prince in Ezekiel applying to two different individuals (one for priest and one for prince) would never stand scrutiny in a serious study of the meaning of the word outside of a ruler, governor or a prince/king, but never a priest.

Nevertheless, you are too prideful to admit or even acknowledge you could be wrong. Someone of your determination to the point of self destruction of your own soul just to believe something that is not of a foundational truth or confirmed to be so is a huge price to pay for an eternity of regret.

Nevertheless I must leave you to yourself and all those who you seek to convince. I think you are relying on God's grace if you're wrong and He knows if you seek to put him to a foolish test, as if you have nothing to lose. Don't count on it.

As for me i am so tired of reading your same material, posts and threads over and over again that has very little to do with the gospel of Christ and his Word of truth. I am done reading whatever you write from now on. I am getting so sully I am beginning to feel I am part of the corruption by responding to any of your post
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Re: Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre
Psalm 55 is Jacobs trouble...being Jacob is the 2nd born birthright holder and you aren’t the 2nd born but are the 1st born sceptre holder then psalm 55 is talking about your partner not you

It is exactly what happened to us we had sweet council for exactly 3.5 years.....I went into a spiritual prison for 10 years and when I was released 10 years later and found out who I was and began to tell you and then your demeanor toward me changed. Notice they shared sweet council until the other anointed found out who he was then half of what you thought was yours became the other anointeds...also the one who becomes the enemy is the one who was the teacher/guide......guess what I wasn’t the guide therefore it narrows it down to who the enemy is in psalm 55

You have to have the dividing of beauty and bands....that the one doesn’t become dependent on the other.

Notice when I showed you how the two offices are divided and how the blessings were divided you magnified yourself and claimed kingship/sceptre holder man-child (revelation 12) and then went on to claim the high priest position of Joshua in zechariah...you claimed masculine feminine...kingship priesthood...birthright sceptre...1st born 2nd born...any titles, blessings, offices or callings you claimed them all....lol...only half of the titles, blessings, offices, and callings are yours...the other anointed will receive the other half

Ezekiel 37 shows us we are working with Judah and Joseph and we know you are david which places you in the blessing of the sceptre which makes you judah

So psalm 55 is about you and me only you aren’t the one you think you are...you are the enemy of the 2nd born just as happens over and over in the volume of the book between the 1st born and 2nd borns....and I see you aren’t going to break the cycle because I see in zechariah Joshua the high priest has an adversary in the throne room protesting Joshuas position....but notice over in revelation 12 nobody is protesting the manchild receiving the sceptre....hmmm strange only Joshua the high priest has an adversary in the throne room but the manchild has no adversary protesting his sceptre position

We will have dominion on earth over the reunited northern and southern kingdom....you the king and me the high priest...God dealt with the Christians during the 2000 year age of grace...the age will come to an end and then the Jues will be dealt with on earth during the millennium with the combination of faith in Jesus and the law for holiness


Notice it is not an enemy as you stated:
Learn to read the word in its context...lol
You have 2 who started as friends then the guide turns against the other anointed when he learns the other anointed receives half the blessings he thought was his.....see how this is all falling into place?....you may not til the fullness of the gentiles but I see it clearly already...lol


Psalm 55:

12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:

13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.

14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.


JOSEPHANDJUDAH50
 Quoting: waterman

Get the story straight and stop making up more of your false-hood beliefs. it was not my demeanor that changed toward you, but your demeanor changed toward me once your spouse told you to stop discussing spiritual matters with me.

As far as all your other imaginary beliefs mostly made-up to fit into a paradigm of your own making. To fit into your own order of self desired prophecy. I once told you prophecy must follow the individual rather than that individual following after the prophecy. It never quite lines up to the truth when telling your own story of its meaning. The truth must be replaced with a different meaning to accomplish the goal of self fulfilled prophecy not meant for that character.

Nevertheless, I am in agreement with you that time will reveal the truthfulness of the meanings of all prophecy and the fulfillment of all the purposes of God's plan. Just don't be too dismayed when you finally discover you're not that high in the order of things to come...lol. As far as that goes none of us are. We are but pawns in a greater plan and servants to a higher order, regardless of that purpose.

As far as my demeanor changing. Why would I care what position you hold or believe you one day will hold? As far as I am concerned you can hold both positions of those two witnesses. It makes little difference to me.

My only concern is the BS you are seeking to feed other sinners and saints concerning who you think you are and how you twist the Scriptures to confuse and justified what is not a truth but a conjecture of your truth. Not to persuade others toward Christ but to con others to believe only in who you claim you are (one of the two witnesses.)

As for me I never sought any position and never considered myself worthy of any calling. I am just thankful the Lord consider me in his great plan of salvation. I am satisfied completely with that order, as a common saint. Any other calling is not of my concern but His toward my service of such a responsibility to Him.

Please do everyone a favor and stop positing your ubiquitous graphs, charts, depictions of a king, priest and a prophet...which doesn't even line-up to the point you seek to make about a king and a priest as the two witnesses..what's the meaning of the prophet in the picture..a stand-in in case someone gets sick..lol.

Your not only making a claim that is not truthful according to scripture, but the Word of God never once makes any such claim they will be a king or a priest. They are declared to be two prophets in (Rev.11KJV.) And the word prophet in this vernacular according to strong concordance can mean (a prophet or prophetess.) Stop making claims that are not written in the Word but claims made by your own belief system. Anytime we begin to make claims in accordance with our own beliefs it is called a CULT.

I don' doubt you are sincere in making your claims. What I do question is who your loyalty is toward ..you or Jesus Christ. You seem to be quick to lambast everyone who doesn't agree with your far-out claims of scriptural discernment.

You are beginning to sound like that PJ character on his own website who condemns every soul who questions him or disagrees with his silly claim of being that self important witness. Yet, he seems to have very little knowledge of or any understanding of the deep things of the Word or that prophet's writings of/in the Book of Enoch.

Yet, men such as him will continue to seek to intimidate all good men/women seeking the understanding of the truth. Thus, substituting the truth with a lie. Until such men as these no longer are welcomed by their peers and men/women of discernment, who cannot be easily deceived by calling others (son's/daughter's of Satan,) such silly hubris claims of self importance will continue until the end is accomplished.

Now that I have aligned you up with PJ (a fellow ally.) Perhaps you can start agreeing on subject matters that will glorify both your positions as those two self proclaimed witnesses...lol... good luck with that task....lol.

I know you like me and others posting on your thread periodically or often. You enjoy the recognition of the importance of being your own words and idioms. Nevertheless, all the post you write or all that you receive will not be a consolation when you stand before the Judgement seat of Christ, and that judgement executed by that righteous judge. You might want to relay that message to your new ally PJ as well.
 Quoting: S-wordlike


The one in the middle isn’t an extra prophet it is showing the two witnesses sitting on the left and right of Jesus.....Jesus being of the higher melchelzedek order both King and High Priest and the two anointed being of the lower davidic levitic order divide the two offices because Jesus’ reign during the millennium will be from heaven with the saints and the two anointed s reign will be on earth dealing with the salvation of the reunited northern and southern kingdom Israel and the survivors of armeghedon

leftrightkingpri



You know as well as I do David is the earthly king scripture states it over and over which leaves one position open which is the high priest. We see the second prince in ezekiel 46 performing the high priest duties and being he is a land owning high priest means he isn’t levitic because Levi s can’t own land which means he must be using the birthright to be high priest and we know from 1 chronicles 5:2 who owns the birthright and that is joseph
 Quoting: waterman


Come on anybody with eyes can see the guy on the left is not symbolic of a priest but a prophet. You cannot make the story up as you go along! It simply depicts the different offices of God's representatives on earth in Israel.

It has nothing to do with two witnesses fulfilling office's procured because Jesus' sacrifice wasn't sufficient to fulfill both those position as the true sacrificial lamb of God as King and High Priest... give me a break. We are now called both priests and kings as the redeemed children of our Lord and God. Thus, we are of the Royal (kings) and priesthood (priest) now that Jesus accomplished his commission

(1Peter.2:9KJV) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

(Rev.1:6KJV)
And hath made us kings and priest unto God and his Father.

Therefore we as his children will be both kings and priest in the earthly/heavenly kingdom. Not some kings and some priest. Otherwise the rest of the verse would mean only half would therefore be a chosen generation. Only a portion of the redeemed would be a holy nation, I guess you believe the rest will be an unholy nation. And only a group would be a peculiar people.

Why? Because apparently you believe God couldn't, wouldn't or didn't finish the task He set out to accomplish (yet Jesus said "it is finished" on the cross.) To make us one people, one nation, and one royal priesthood, in and thru his dear Son. That we might be conformed to the image of his Son now and forever.

(Rom.8:29KJV) For whom he foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son.

Now I have contended about this and many other subjects like this through the years with you and you keep returning to the same old falsehood that you believe in. Why? Because it conveniently places you in a position of a high priest during the millennium age and one of the two witnesses during the tribulation times.

Yet scripture revealed that the prince in/of Israel in (Ezek.40-48KJV) is performing the office of royal and priestly duties. And that prince is not identified as two separate individuals.

For in the Hebrew linguistics that prince is recognized as the word "NASI" which means king, prince, ruler, or governor but never priest. So your version of the prince in Ezekiel applying to two different individuals (one for priest and one for prince) would never stand scrutiny in a serious study of the meaning of the word outside of a ruler, governor or a prince/king, but never a priest.

Nevertheless, you are too prideful to admit or even acknowledge you could be wrong. Someone of your determination to the point of self destruction of your own soul just to believe something that is not of a foundational truth or confirmed to be so is a huge price to pay for an eternity of regret.

Nevertheless I must leave you to yourself and all those who you seek to convince. I think you are relying on God's grace if you're wrong and He knows if you seek to put him to a foolish test, as if you have nothing to lose. Don't count on it.

As for me i am so tired of reading your same material, posts and threads over and over again that has very little to do with the gospel of Christ and his Word of truth. I am done reading whatever you write from now on. I am getting so sully I am beginning to feel I am part of the corruption by responding to any of your post
 Quoting: S-wordlike





You quote scriptures that don’t even apply to you and me....if you think we are kings and priests you are mistaken....there is only one realm where there is a melchelzedek order making it possible to be kings and priests at the same time and that is in heaven where certainly this can apply to the bride and tribulation saints....but that isn’t me and you....we will be dwelling down here on earth for the millennium Where there is separation of kingship and priesthood...so you may as well get used to hearing from me because we are going to be working together for over 1000 years....lol


Learn what covenant is ours...it isn’t being both kings and priests in this earth...the age of grace comes to an end...we are simply on a 2000 years pause to get the bride and trib saints to where they are supposed to go. You know the history of the Jues they always want an earthly king...you can read that in scripture....if that is what the jues want that is what God will give them for the millennium and he throws in a high priest as there are two anointed. The jues aren’t ignorant they know David the earthly king is coming ....watch some rabbis on YouTube...I’ve seen them debate Christian authorities who have studied a lot and I’ve seen time after time the rabbis win the debate hands down because Christians have been taught for some reason that Jesus and the bride are going to be ruling a davidic levitic kingdom on earth where kingship and priesthood are separate...it doesn’t work....the temple is rebuilt...animal sacrifice is reinstated...the prince is giving a sin offering fir himself....etc. No possible way the bride...the trib saints or Jesus is going to be ruling on earth during the millennium

Whose going to have kingly and priestly dominion on earth? Me and you...you the king and me the high priest


In the picture you can see the guy on the left is wearing the Joshua high priest priest turban....but then again you didn’t even know the one in the middle represented Jesus...so maybe you can’t... lol

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The prince in ezekiel 46 the word nasi/prince simply means exalted one and of course the high priest Joseph is an exalted one...lol

Strong: H5387

Orig: or nasi8 \i naw-see'\i0\plain\f3\fs21\cf23 ; from 5375; properly, an exalted one, i.e. a king or sheik; also a rising mist:--captain, chief, cloud, governor, prince, ruler, vapour. H5375

Use: TWOT-1421b,1421c Noun Masculine

Grk Strong: G435 G747 G758 G935 G1484 G2233 G3507 G3509

1) one lifted up, chief, prince, captain, leader
2) rising mist, vapour

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Sword why you gotta pretend you are the only anointed and the other witness is secondary and insignificant ....the other witness does just as much as the David witness if not more...both bring fire from their mouth to destroy their enemies one stops the water...they both die together....Judah is not greater than Joseph and ends up apologizing to Joseph for treating him bad....wake up partner we are judah and Joseph of the end time ...read the word Ezekiel 37....whenever it talks about the two witnesses you call “oh that is talking about the two nations not the two witnesses” ...lol..you start to see the pattern if it demotes the davidic character you state it is the nation...if it promotes the davidic character it is the anointed one....very convenient...but untrue .... .if I was you I would call BS but I’m not you and don’t talk that way...lol ...learn who we are and our purpose...you are stuck on 45 years of half way study meaning something .....it doesn’t....God promotes who he promotes....ask the Jues and Christians.....one is favored over the other.....look at where the Christians are during the millennium....they will be in heaven if you studied the scriptures...the Jues will be on earth with me and you. wake up friend.....but I already know u can’t til the fullness of the gentiles...cya then partner

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Sword why you gotta pretend you are the only anointed and the other witness is secondary and insignificant ....the other witness does just as much as the David witness if not more...both bring fire from their mouth to destroy their enemies one stops the water...they both die together....Judah is not greater than Joseph and ends up apologizing to Joseph for treating him bad....wake up partner we are judah and Joseph of the end time ...read the word Ezekiel 37....whenever it talks about the two witnesses you call “oh that is talking about the two nations not the two witnesses” ...lol..you start to see the pattern if it demotes the davidic character you state it is the nation...if it promotes the davidic character it is the anointed one....very convenient...but untrue .... .if I was you I would call BS but I’m not you and don’t talk that way...lol ...learn who we are and our purpose...you are stuck on 45 years of half way study meaning something .....it doesn’t....God promotes who he promotes....ask the Jues and Christians.....one is favored over the other.....look at where the Christians are during the millennium....they will be in heaven if you studied the scriptures...the Jues will be on earth with me and you. wake up friend.....but I already know u can’t til the fullness of the gentiles...cya then partner
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How many times must I say this to you. I recognize both anointed in scripture. It's just that because I don't see them in the same light as you and don't believe symbolic Judah is one of the witnesses. You keep claiming falsely again over and over I don't recognize the two witnesses.

I have studied scripture diligently for over 45 yrs. You keep telling me what I don't understand. You been studying it for 10-12 yrs at the most and several of those years you were more concerned with the booze.

You enjoy making up lies to project that anyone besides you cannot see or understand the Word of God. Your only motive is to seek to put others in continual lies about them that you might look perfect.

You understand nothing and considering discernment you wouldn't know it if it bit you. Do me a favor and stop addressing me in your post. Don't you understand all liars will go to hell. Especially those who purposely tell lies when they know it is not what they believe or you believe they believe. Figure that statement out it might take a small portion of discernment.

You have done nothing but been an irritation to me for years. And you enjoy it, sadly calling yourself a Christian. Like discernment you reveal no such characteristics of either a christian attitude or comprehending the meaning of scripture.

You want the prince to be the prince and the priest to be the priest when it only fits your belief of who is who and which is which . You cannot have it both ways waterman. NASI either means prince, governor, king, ruler (royal positions,) or it doesn't, but never a priestly title does it entangle in its meaning.

You cannot make-up the story as it goes along for your convenience . And biblical scholars, theologians, teachers, and Rabbis agree it is only mentioning a singular prince of/in Israel preforming his duties in (Ezek.40-48KJV,) not two different individual (a priest and a prince.)

Symbolic Joseph will have consanguinity brothers whom are separate from him in several areas. He is hidden and cannot be seen by anyone. Enoch is greater in standing than Elijah, and he was first translated and hidden. He (Enoch) symbolizes the elect one, the hidden one, the son of man, the chosen one, and the righteous one. These are not other names for Elijah! So stop pushing those things that are not verifiable. But an assumption conjured up by a man whose ambition is is only self glorification. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Ah shut the fuck up.

This thread was finished long ago.

You loose.

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Lol

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Your end is just beginning indeed.
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Lol

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Sword why you gotta pretend you are the only anointed and the other witness is secondary and insignificant ....the other witness does just as much as the David witness if not more...both bring fire from their mouth to destroy their enemies one stops the water...they both die together....Judah is not greater than Joseph and ends up apologizing to Joseph for treating him bad....wake up partner we are judah and Joseph of the end time ...read the word Ezekiel 37....whenever it talks about the two witnesses you call “oh that is talking about the two nations not the two witnesses” ...lol..you start to see the pattern if it demotes the davidic character you state it is the nation...if it promotes the davidic character it is the anointed one....very convenient...but untrue .... .if I was you I would call BS but I’m not you and don’t talk that way...lol ...learn who we are and our purpose...you are stuck on 45 years of half way study meaning something .....it doesn’t....God promotes who he promotes....ask the Jues and Christians.....one is favored over the other.....look at where the Christians are during the millennium....they will be in heaven if you studied the scriptures...the Jues will be on earth with me and you. wake up friend.....but I already know u can’t til the fullness of the gentiles...cya then partner
 Quoting: waterman


How many times must I say this to you. I recognize both anointed in scripture. It's just that because I don't see them in the same light as you and don't believe symbolic Judah is one of the witnesses. You keep claiming falsely again over and over I don't recognize the two witnesses.

I have studied scripture diligently for over 45 yrs. You keep telling me what I don't understand. You been studying it for 10-12 yrs at the most and several of those years you were more concerned with the booze.

You enjoy making up lies to project that anyone besides you cannot see or understand the Word of God. Your only motive is to seek to put others in continual lies about them that you might look perfect.

You understand nothing and considering discernment you wouldn't know it if it bit you. Do me a favor and stop addressing me in your post. Don't you understand all liars will go to hell. Especially those who purposely tell lies when they know it is not what they believe or you believe they believe. Figure that statement out it might take a small portion of discernment.

You have done nothing but been an irritation to me for years. And you enjoy it, sadly calling yourself a Christian. Like discernment you reveal no such characteristics of either a christian attitude or comprehending the meaning of scripture.

You want the prince to be the prince and the priest to be the priest when it only fits your belief of who is who and which is which . You cannot have it both ways waterman. NASI either means prince, governor, king, ruler (royal positions,) or it doesn't, but never a priestly title does it entangle in its meaning.

You cannot make-up the story as it goes along for your convenience . And biblical scholars, theologians, teachers, and Rabbis agree it is only mentioning a singular prince of/in Israel preforming his duties in (Ezek.40-48KJV,) not two different individual (a priest and a prince.)

Symbolic Joseph will have consanguinity brothers whom are separate from him in several areas. He is hidden and cannot be seen by anyone. Enoch is greater in standing than Elijah, and he was first translated and hidden. He (Enoch) symbolizes the elect one, the hidden one, the son of man, the chosen one, and the righteous one. These are not other names for Elijah! So stop pushing those things that are not verifiable. But an assumption conjured up by a man whose ambition is is only self glorification. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Certainly David is one of the two anointed and being he is of the line of Judah to be king he is one of the 12 princes of Israel....but lets not forget there are two anointed and 12 princes of Israel and Joseph also is a prince

Ezekiel 34:24:

And I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the LORD, have spoken.



These are those that were numbered, which Moses and Aaron numbered, and the princes of Israel, being twelve men: each one was for the house of his fathers.


So if David is a prince and Joseph is a prince how in the world are we going to know which prince is being spoke about? Super simple if it is speaking about kingly/government matters it is speaking about David....if it is speaking about priestly duties it is speaking about the other anointed Joseph...very very simple to see unless you don't want to see it....lol

God doesn't bring two anointed on the world stage doing all the same things...dying together raising together after they die and just have one of the two disappear and you never hear from the second one again...there is no logic in that and God is logical....so the conclusion is Joseph is hidden in the scriptures in ezekiel even from david but if you understand that Davids position is(earthly king/civil leader) and you understand that Josephs position is (earthly high priest and interpreter of the law david presents and the promises given to Joshua the high priest in zechariah) then you can read the scriptures very clear on who is who...lol




This is clearly Joseph and not David because he is doing the high priest duties and a king cant do high priest duties in a davidic levitic kingdom that is in effect during the millennium:

Ezekiel 46:

2 And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate: then he shall go forth; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening.

3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the Lord in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.


P.S

The prince in ezekiel 46 the word nasi/prince simply means exalted one and of course the high priest Joseph is an exalted one...lol

Strong: H5387

Orig: or nasi8 \i naw-see'\i0\plain\f3\fs21\cf23 ; from 5375; properly, an exalted one, i.e. a king or sheik; also a rising mist:--captain, chief, cloud, governor, prince, ruler, vapour. H5375

Use: TWOT-1421b,1421c Noun Masculine

Grk Strong: G435 G747 G758 G935 G1484 G2233 G3507 G3509

1) one lifted up, chief, prince, captain, leader
2) rising mist, vapour


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You are doomed because you refuse to Level on the line of Man to Man.

You have chosen to REJECT God's creation as written in Genesis 1 for the Lies and Obfuscations of the LORD God, A.K.A Satan, of Genesis 2.

For that reason your destruction is well deserved.
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Friend you act scared to respond to my responses...then again the tumid states when Joseph dies David becomes frightened ....we both know this is because the manchild is going to get a rebuke from God over Joshua the high priest....the other anointed that Judah vexed....lol...I tried to tell you ahead of time but your pride made you not listen...til the fullness of the gentiles when you can listen to me...cya then partner.
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I am hardly scared. The reason I have and I will stop responding to you is because you cannot hear what I am telling you when I do reveal the truth of what is being said.

To repeat myself again from my last post to you. Scholars, theologians of the Word, teacher, and rabbis have long ago concluded. That the man known as that future prince of/in Israel during the millennium age in (Ezek.40-48KJV.) Is the same man fulfilling all the duties of that prince. From the duties of his royal position to the priestly duty of offering burnt offerings.

If it would have been otherwise the Word would have revealed two separate individuals performing those task. A prince of/in Israel and a priest of/in Israel. You must read the Word as it is presented not as you desire to make it appear according to your own exegesis of what you want it to say, but doesn't. This is the warning against such men who do such things, Add neither or take from the scriptures. Thus, bringing a curse upon any who do so.

Now I will share one other thing with you. Not because you need to know, but that you might receive a thing not understood by men. For the mystery of the prince in (Ezek.40-48KJV) is believed by many as not being Jesus. And those who believe this are correct. For as I have said to you in the past.. a king must never be relegated to the lower position of a prince.

That this man also shall bear sons/children (Ezek.46:16) and to do so he most have the attributes of a mortal man. Thus Jesus who never had children and shall never have children after the flesh, makes Jesus in these passages non-descriptive of that prince in Israel.

Thus, here is the mystery if you can receive it. I believe from my scriptural studies that the prince of/in Israel at that time of the millennium age is the same man as one of the witnesses of (Rev.11.)

The reason I have concluded this to be true is that a man in the Word symbolically referred to as a prince seems often to be an allegory of another throughout scripture.

This individual is revealed as perhaps one set aside to later appear as another from the one depicted in that which is revealed on the surface of its description; referred to as the prince in one form or another.

For an example prince of Israel (Ezek.21:25-27KJV)...prince in Israel (Ezek.46:16KJV)...like a prince I would approach him, (man-child) (one like the son of man, the kings son, a prince) (Job.31:37KJV) (Rev.12:5KJV) (Dan.7:13-14KJV)... (one like Jacob who was named Israel meaning prince...is this the same Israel/prince God has called his servant to bring back His people to Him in the latter days (Isa.49:1-5KJV?)

So now another possible mystery still hidden. If this witness/prince of (Rev.11KJV) is killed and dead in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half days. How is it that he could come back as a mortal man within a fleshly body with all its attributes 3 and half yrs later to rule during the millennial age. The same way that Lazarus, the son of the widow of Nain, and Jairus' daughter did. By the power of the force of the Most High!

So therefore it doesn't state in scripture that God raised them in spirit form only or even soulish form..but the spirit of life entered into them as a whole being... body/soul and spirit (Rev.11:11KJV.) Thus, this is indicting not a transformation of a the new but the restoration of the old.

If these things be. Then who could equal the spiritual level of the witness/prince in this life. Even reaching the pinnacle of creating the power of the demands of his own will (Rev.11:6KJV.) Who then in the new millennium age to come might he marry and produce sons (Ezek.46:16KJV?) For at his level of spiritual comprehension, leadership and commitment who could he be equally yoke to in marriage...The other witness of course!

Therefore, unless God goes against his own paradigm of the institution of marriage... the other witness must of course then be of the feminine characteristic. Therefore the word prophets in (Rev.11,) in accordance to the strong concordance can refer to either a prophet or a prophetess.

Thus as Adam and Eve began, so the beginning again shall commence with male and female. For all things within the Word declares itself from the end to the beginning (Isa.46:10KJV.) And so who could understand these mysteries hidden, except you transverse to the end to behold the beginnings purpose.

Just something you might want to contemplate. While you continue to accuse me of lacking any understanding of the mysteries or deeper things hidden within the WORD.
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Revelation 2:10:

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
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Revelation 1-3 talk about things that happened during John’s day. Prophecies about the last days don’t begin until Revelation 4. I can see you’re curious and studied but conceptually on the wrong track.



The truth is out there, Neo.





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